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From my recollection that wasn't a quote from Baba Nanak ji but Sant Jarnail Singh ji?

That's a REALLY good question. I guess it's hard to get that balance between realising that all human bonds are temporary, and still loving and caring for your family whilst always keeping the greater Sikhi concept of our real eternal identity at the fore of our human consciousness (whilst we try and transcend this very thing through bhagti and actions). In an ideal world all members of a family will be striving to break that veil of illusion that somehow separates us from our divine true nature, but in practice it doesn't work like that. People are at different stages due their own karams and efforts. I think this is why Guru ji told us: Nanak hukmai jai bujhay taan haumai kahey nah koe. I guess if we are striving spiritually (which is a blessing because: 'aap vichoraya aap milieyaa' ) we should have some compassion or understanding for those that haven't even grasped this as an objective of human life as long as they are not being destructive to others?

I think using current news headlines to talk to girls is possible. One can ask them, do you know what grooming is? Lota of panjabi girls, vulnerable have been involved in it. Then explain grooming a PG way: "That men who are older try to trick younger girls into liking them.throw in some life lessons like young girls are usually eager to have a boyfriend and to be liked, so that is why evil men target them. The men bring them gifts, take them to parties etc. Then they take pictures of the girl out with them. And then they threaten to release photos to family if the girl doesnt do wat they want etc" In america, there was this whole thing going on abt men kidnapping young boys and assaulting them. So had to teach younger brother that if a man approaches and says i need ur help rescuing a puppy, only u r small enough. That this is a trick as there r so many ppl around, why target only you? And practiced similar mental scenarios, of 'kidnappers' luring them. I dont think we need to totally spell out sexual assault to kids. Just warn about how people target and manipulate you. When i was young, i asked my parents what a veshwa was and they said a dancer who dances on kothe. Was enough for me at that age.

for someone who doesn't know anything you sure do talk a LOT

Top post. It's easy for a man to talk about these things with boys. I've done it with a bunch of young cousins and nephews. It's girls (because of their potential vulnerability) that we need to crack. Older females (who girls look up to) could open their mouths up a bit more maybe?

What I want to know is how the hell does a father or uncle broach the subject of sex and attraction with a teenage girl? Because Panjabi moms seem useless at it from what I see. This is critical because that's when the groomers start making moves. Sometimes it seems like females don't understand other young female brains?

There is this myth that Jatts were rich and powerful then. My mum used to tell me that a baniya in his 9 square foot shop could earn as much money as a Jatt who had acres of land. Difference today is that land prices are so high today in Punjab, the Jatts who hold that land are able to capitalise on those land prices. That is big part of the reason why these types have been able to purchase things to show the appearance of wealth. The problem I see that these guys are noveau riche and noveau riche types can be quite obnoxious because they have not seen money before with all this shiny new stuff at their disposal they are making up for what they feel they have missed out on.

You've lived a fairly middle-class life by Punjabi Indian standards. It's understandable the urban Indian lifestyle is bound to be affected by external factors such as cultural rub-off from Western culture. I'd argue your experiences are a little more organic and "ahista, ahista" than what transpires in villages in Punjab, where some people barely had running water 15 or 20 years ago, and are now driving Humvees and are using iPhones, lol. As I noted on this forum a few years ago, you can't go from 0-100mph in a societal development / evolutionary sense, and not expect there to be problems. Change and progress -- and most importantly, the psychological capabilities of the human brain in as much as how it functions relates to the world and other people -- takes time to adjust and recalibrate in an individual sense and in the wider communal sense, too. It's the equivalent of giving a child spoonfuls of sugar and then expecting him not to get hyper.

You're a smart guy, so can you explain to me as objectively as you can as to why the Indian intellect labours under such cognitive dissonance, that it resents and derides the Westerner yet simultaneously holds his culture in esteem (whether knowingly or otherwise) and ultimately holds the western mindset in a form of reverence, and perhaps also one day hopes to reside in these lands? If the distaste for their ways was genuine and total, then surely even the merest of associations would be considered unpalatable?

having talked to a few young lads professionally who are trapped in suicidal depression because they cannot respond to live females in their lives because of PIED (porn induced erectile dysfunction, I disagree it is destroying lives

veerji u commented on my post when i said i was addicted could you please help me if u have experienced it to bro

How are you with suicide vids now?

Personally i would like Maywether to Lose... But no I would Not Put money on It. JUST ENJOY THE FIGHT FOR ENTERTAINMENT

Sometimes there are those that you can never forget. Its just a matter of dealing with it... it takes time but eventually you dont feel the same pain when you think of them. Believe me, I know that feeling. I always think about those few but it does not feel the same anymore. You kind of realise that if you really knew each other you would be with each other... If you broke up and you no longer have contact then its probably for the best. I like to think that Mahraj had a plan in place but our limited thinking does not think that way. So just let time take its course and let Waheguru Ji do what He needs to do. MAHRAJ KNOWS BEST WJKK WJKF

I never met him but from all the videos i have watched he was truly and intellectual being who was blessed in this world. Such a great soul, deepest condolences to his family. WJKK WJKF

I find that actions are equally expressing.. For example if i hold a knife in my hand and aim it towards my partner it means i am angry... He doesn't necessarily have to move either that just ends up 10 times worse becuase then it turns into a high speed chase! Police and what not!

Ja Tu Mere Val Hai Tha Kya Mushundha... Mahraj is Always with You Sweetheart. Be brave and follow the Path you were Destined for. Beileve me When you are Done with School These People Will Not Even be Worth a Thought and You Will have Learnt so much and You My dear will come out a better person... Why? Becuase Mahraj Is Truly With You STAY STRONG BEAUTIFUL.

Thanks Bro!

I once read that when you meet the right person you're heart does not in fact beat fast or you do not get butterflies in your stomach. The body in fact remains calm. Maybe youre heart beating fast indicates it is something you want but not something you need Wjkk wjkf

Every reply in this thread has been cracking. Great contributions; lots to think over and absorb. It's also clear to me how easy it is to veer off course when trying to understand the absolute core of what Sikhi is telling us. We, as humans, impose our pre-existing beliefs, practices, and prejudices on matters that the nuances of which are - as the saying goes - finer than a hair's breadth. The distinction between what's correct and what's inaccurate is such a fine line to tread. Unlike other faiths we perhaps don't portend doom for people around us and humanity in general if our comprehension of Sikhi isn't as firm as it should be, but for the sake of establishing clarity in our own minds, and therefore allowing us to be productive and good Sikhs and humans in general, we owe it to ourselves to truly comprehend what our faith's scriptures are saying to us, and not arrive at a rough estimation based on skewed information or occasionally outright false assumptions built on things we suppose to be accurate. I use to hear it growing up and i didn't quite understand the impact of it, but I'm beginning to realise that Sikhi is truly not an easy path to follow. Of course, the rewards for doing so are in themselves worth undergoing the tough journey.

please stop , it's the Hindus who started Dheean to underhandedly sellout their daughters to Mughals, it is the Hindus who murdered their infant daughters by putting gur in their mouths and cotton in their hands and telling them as they are killing them to send a brother instead of coming back (I have read the actual couplet but the wording I do not want to mess up from forgetfulness). Putri came about in Sikh era due to sikh influence no Hindu believes their daughter will be able to help them in the afterlife (that's why having one blood son is so important to them) and Guru Sahiban stopped the virulent murder of females in infancy , during marriage (they made it against rehit to beat , swear exploit or harass women) and the murder and abandonment of widows through sati and superstituous nonsense about it being the woman's fault the man died . Don't claim equality was the standard in Hindus Ignorance is no defence ... if you don't know what you are saying don't say it simple.

first things first NO SIKH should ever use the word Kurdi for a female , its root is koorda rubbish trash, yes that kind of trash . This word is a Hindu Punjabi idea because Putaar means that person who will help the parent cross the river Pu (afterlife belief of hindu) to the desh of devtey , this of course considered the sons because he does the rasams and paat to achieve this . The daughter however cannot do this and so is considered useless /trash thus Koordi. Give a female the respect Guru ji gave her and use respectful. positive words like sister, mother, bibi ji

"If", lol? There's no "if". Acknowledging those differences shouldn't be frowned upon, but I agree, using those differences for negative purposes is not the correct thing to do.

I think a lot of old school guys see it like: "I deal with this sh1t world outside everyday. At the end of it I just want to come home to a sanctuary that isn't full of conflict to rest and recuperate." So if you have a missus that is conflict inclined. Do the math. Usually I notice these guys get worn out physically and mentally and turn into docile mice like creatures. But then again I have recently met married men with children who love coming to work to get away from the family. lol Work is like the highlight of the day. What is up with those male drama queens?

If a guy regularly does the equivalent of what my female friends call 'venting' to his male friends, he'll soon get a reputation as a whiny git who brings the mood down. lol

Were not supposed to complain. It's good to talk things out sometimes, but complaining, ranting,emitting negativity isn't the way forward in bhgati, it holds you back.

the truth is guys also talk with their mates at work/ home , often the women are isolated by the dual jobs and demands of being the primary caregiver , is it really so unreasonable to talk and share with their life partner , sometimes we have to smooth our husbands ruffled feathers or brows ...can you not do the same ? I do not see a reason to be so wound up by this. Most of the singhnian I know are not prone to moaning on every little thing , who has the luxury of time/energy for that

That last one was funny! lol

Jagsaw, Are you proposing a sort of, "devo-max Scotland" type of model for Punjab? i.e an autonomous state with the freedom to raise/lower tax, interest rates, independent health/education policy but essentially, still part of India and therefore the same military/defence? Or, rather,. an independent country called Punjab (or whatever) that is sovereign?

Absolutely barbaric and atrocious. Find the culprits responsible for this atrocity and name and shame. Who is Kashmira Chand?

What a silly and immature campaign from an esteemed organisation such as Sikhs for Justice. My family have used Air India for the past 5 years or so and I have to admit it is punctual and gets one to Amritsar quicker than any other (even Jet). Ultimately, Punjabi's will use whichever airline gets them to Punjab in the quickest and cheapest way possible. The last thing we'd like to do is to bank roll ISIS, sorry, I meant fly with Qatar. (Yes, you read that correctly, that's where ISIS get the moola from. No pun intended).

With both of us residing in west London, we are acutely aware of how Labour has treated the Sikhs. It's a shame others are still blindly following a party that has taken it's vote for granted.

When I read this last night I was in a state of disbelief! Apparently he will fight the extradition order, according to the latest news. But seriously, wow! He caused stockmarket chaos in 3 minutes!

I like having both my hands... I would feel pretty strange if I woke up one morning and found out one of them was missing. LoL And Singh123456777, Where Have You Been???

I knew Germany would win!!! YIPPPEE Congratulations

It is sad to see money run this world, it does take money to make money. But like the others said dont let it rule you, Work becuase your have a passion for actually doing whatever it is your doing......... Personally id prefer Happiness over Money anyday :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect:

No I don't mean go to somone who will say good things about you I meant surround yourself around positive people... Not negativity I understand what your saying though... But it's not what I meant People who will help you and give by telling you what you need to change... Sort of like constructive criticism... Hope that makes sense

Now I'm just crying You should post that on the advice for sangat aswell.... Very inspirational

I dont want kids either... It doesnt make you a bad person.. it just means you feel differently about the situation. I actually think its good that your thinking about this, at least you know what you want and what you dont want Fateh

Fateh I was just wondering if anyone has had first hand experiance of dealing with anxiety or depression or any kind of mental health problem? And how did you deal with it? Thankyou guys

Aww LOL! I just wanted to know if anyone had experianced this... Theres alot more awarness about mental health these days... I just wanted to know how people dealth with this... Especially depression and anxiety

Hate It When i Feel Stupid LOL!

I dont really know about amritdhari... But i think in general even if you werent maybe it wasnt such a good idea. Dont do it again. Fateh