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Dal panth rehat is closest. sahibjada Baba Fateh Singh wore the neela bana and dumalla from his great grandfather Guru Hargobind ji, and Guru Gobind Singh adopted this into khalsa as well. The dal panth Nihang Singhs used to give pahul at all 4 takhts. When the khalsa jathas were combined into the 2 dals, at that time Budha Dal was responsible for giving pahul to the Singhs and behaved as the 5th chakarvarti takht which watched over as praband of the gurdwaras with the tradition being of the mukhi of budha Dal being mukhi/mahant of Akal Bunga/Akal Takht as well.

tikh aa mera praa, tussi mainu maaf karo ji. Sikh lokhaan de vaaste, assi ik vaada parivaar aa. Dharam Yudh binaa, larai buri cheez hundi. WJKK WJKF

Author Posted April 24 On 4/21/2025 at 2:43 PM, ipledgeblue said: sirr should not be nanga because keski is usually worn. Sikhs can sleep nanga-sirr if they choose to . Being from Punjab, almost every Sardaarji i know (amritdhari or not) sleeps/showers with their hair uncovered. I don't think Guru Sahib asked us to wear Dastar to sleep and I don't think it is in SRM. The idea of "keski being worn to sleep" is cos in Bollywood films (Bachna Ae Haseeno) Sikh characters usually tie a gol parna when sleeping since the actor's usually Hindu. So they gotta cover his head somehow or he'd have cut hair. Same reason Diljit wore a pagg to bed in the El Sueno vid. Only time they didn't do that was in Gadar with Sunny Deol which just looked odd tbh What in the world? What sikh or even a decent human would base their knowledge of their culture or religion on a movie industry, that too Bollywood? Believe me, no sikh ever said, I must cover my head becasue an actor did so in a movie. I've been doing it all wrong, I must start covering mh head because the sikh in that movie did. Just because every panjabi and sardaar you know, does something, also doesn't make it right.. Follow the guru. And if you have a medical condition, then exemptions can be made. Just admit it, because of my medical condition, I am not able to follow this rehit. Why are you getting everyone else to drop to your level?

There is a new podcast out by Nidar Singh Nihang and the ranveer show who has over 1.6 million follower's on Instagram YouTube link is below https://youtu.be/xo1OLk8dpko?si=Fy0w_n6s2510baQz

Anandpur Sahib does and always has followed the Sikh Rehat Maryada, same as Darbar Sahib in Amritsar. They allow you to eat any eggs, fish or meat as long it is not Halal meat/killed Ritualistically. They say Kes is the Kakkar, not Keski. I believe only AKJ says that and nobody else. You can read the full Sikh Rehat Maryada, page 56-7 I believe is what the Panj Pyaare are meant to say on the day. My cousin took Amrit at Anandpur Sahib and the other in Darbar Sahib 8 years later. I showed them both this page and they said that is exactly what the Panj said to them word for word at their Sanchaar

ਕੇਵਲ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਨਿ ਵਸਿਆ ਨਾਮੇ ਹੀ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਪਾਈ ॥ Kaeval Raam Naam Man Vasiaa Naamae Hee Mukath Paaee || केवल राम नामु मनि वसिआ नामे ही मुकति पाई ॥ The Naam, the Name of the Lord alone abides in the mind; and through the Naam, the Name of the Lord, one finds liberation.

In 2019, a series of events occurred that led to a paradigm shift in the future conservation of Sikh heritage. At Gurdwara Sri Darbar Sahib in Tarn Taran, founded by Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji, there is a historic Darshani Deori gateway that was constructed during Sikh-rule by Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s grandson, Kunwar Nau Nihal Singh, who felt a deep connection to the sacred gurdwara. However, as with all buildings, overtime lack of surveillance and maintenance led to cracks developing in the structure. The Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee passed a resolution allowing the Kar Seva baba Jagtar Singh to “restore”, “renovate”, or “reconstruct” the Darshanj Deori. On 14 September 2018, a Jagtar Singh’s group attempted to topple the structure but local Sikh activists stopped them, saving it. By October of the same year, the resolution was withdrawn and the decision was put on-hold. However, that didn’t stop the zealous baba in his mission to destroy the historical building. The following year on the night of Saturday, 30 March 2019 at 9:00 P.M., a 300-man strong “army” of Kar Seva workers under Jagtar Singh armed with sharp-edged weapons, baseball bats, hammers, and sticks started toppling the structure, allegedly without the SGPC’s permission. For two hours, they continued their destructive rampage on the edifice ignoring desperate calls to stop their demolition from local Sikhs. The SGPC ignored calls trying to draw their attention to the issue. Finally at around 11:00 P.M., a police team led by deputy-superintendent Kawaljit Singh arrived and intervened, putting a stop to the Kar Seva destruction. Sadly, four domed-structured and other features located at the top of the building had been destroyed but the rest of the building was saved, for now. Local Sikhs demanded that a criminal case be put against the Kar Seva baba Jagtar Singh and warned that they would protest if this was not done. The manager of the gurdwara complex, Partap Singh, claimed to have called Jagtar Singh and told him to cease the vandalism but he did not lodge a police complaint. Sikhs were rightfully outraged at the wanton razing of their historical heritage by corrupt and ignoramus parties. The SGPC, seeing the anger of the Sikh Quom, decided instead to renovate and conserve the historical deori rather than demolishing it and rebuilding a new one. Before initiating the renovation work, a meeting was held in this regard and experts of Directorate of Cultural Affairs Archaeology and Archives Museum Punjab, Guru Nanak Dev University, Amritsar, local intellectuals and members of Sikh organisations assembled for discussion. The SGPC formed a three-member panel to investigate the issue. Partap Singh, manager of the gurdwara, was suspended for failing to prevent the dismantlement of the deori. All further gurdwara repair-related responsible were withdrawn from the Jagtar Singh-led Kar Seva group. An alliance of 30 Sikh organizations demanded an independent probe into the role of the SGPC and criminal action against the Kar Seva group. Surely, someone must be profiting from this affair, whether that means pocketing funds gathered under the guise of well-meaning Kar Seva from the Sikh community or other nefarious activities. The darshani deori would eventually be restored over the years following the incident by an archeological agency under the guidance of experts, without tampering with the original structure. This remains a critical moment in Sikh history: for the first time ever, the Sikh community stood-up and said NO, enough is enough. Too much has been lost, we will not allow more to be taken from us. The Kar Seva babas have destroyed 90-95% of Sikh heritage in Punjab within the past decades, the SGPC allows them to do so. Only we as Sikhs have the power to stop them. We have to raise our voice and allow ourselves to be heard! Staying silent and docile means more of our history will be stolen from us by these dushman, who prefer to pocket funds while converting Sikh history into mythology by wiping out all evidences of our past from this Earth. IMAGE CREDITS These photographs were sourced from various news articles and social-media posts documenting the incident. Two of the historical photographs (both from 1934) were provided by the Sikh History Research Centre of Khalsa College while another historical photograph was sourced from SikhMuseum.com. The colour photograph of the darshani deori taken prior to the destruction was sourced from the Facebook account of Rajwant Singh (Washington).

Shame if our past these modern days jatts sgpc lost are . One question I have is...where were the Nihangs and the anti jar Seva when anandgarh was town down and kshgarh remade to what it is now....mughals couldn't even destroy the qila. Yet we did at multiple places with our own hands..shame on sangat flr not stopping precious ones and lakh lanat to the destructors of Sikh puratan asthaans all these kar Seva babeh of the past

Reason behind it is. You can't get mass sangat in to fill the golak up.... that's why they are all the same in design etc .probs some mafia rAcket related to the mass marbeling of gurughars. Such a shame. Hardly any pictures of the original anandgar qila..only one in the toor collection

Very good post It's such a shame listen anandpur sahib and all it's fort could not be preserved

1) You've read many Sikh authors, but not Guru Gobind Singh Ji's 52 Hukams? "Kaurha bachan nahi kahinaa" ("NEVER utter a bitter statement") did not stop you from using racist words for Muslims, calling me "Shameful" and swearing? 2) Show me where the Gurus said I cannot eat beef Only a quote from the Gurus in Adi or Dasam Granth pls - if you can't find one that ta-da, have a nice day 3) Why come onto a Sikhi forum and name yourself Caveman? Everyone's username here has Singh, Kaur or something cool like "iPledgeBlue" cos it's Khalsa rang, but you're sounding like Fred Flintstone took Amrit or something . Shoulda just called yourself "Khalsa Croods" instead

Then in time, some selfish men, for the sake of filling their bellies, forsook the 'Sanatani' (traditional)Singhs (i.e., their Gurus' principles), and in accordance with their own intellect began to self-manufacture the [Sikh] faith. The ordinary people, thinking that they represent the Guru's faith, joined them. Not considering the past or future, not looking at past historical books. Then, when it reached such a state that for us [eating of] cow and goat was considered equal; that we were not Hindus; on hearing the Guru-like 'devtas' (Hindu gods/goddesses) being slandered, this dog of the Guru (i.e., loyal disciple) became dejected from the world. I desired that I sitting in some mountain cave eating the fruit [there in the wilds] I will subsist. To endure such anti-Dharma is a miserable plight." (Nihang Sanpuran Singh, Suraj Vansiya Khalsa Panth, (Siri Chand Press, n.d.), Introduction)

Beef????? Are you retarded????

Sikh and khalsa should hold their heads in shame. A " tenth dan" organized a martial arts event and invited Nidar Singh Nihang to demonstrate ad teach others....if a tenth dan can recgnise our vidiya why can't you Sikhs? Gore kale Muslims east Asians are all coming to learn par tusi Sikhs? Happy with spinning and jumping around every sword the same ey? Once a non Sikhs becomes bhujangi level. You Singhs will cry that you weren't taught. Look at the image, where is the khalsa learning? You guy will be left behind and gore kale musalman will take the gurus jungi vidiya. You have the opportunity to learn through the app...take the chance while it's there or cry once it's gone. If there was one person in the world left who knew how to read aad guru granth sahib..what would u lot do? Come and learn ? or admit defeat and sit at home and not even try?

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It's probably meant to be Harminder Sahib but was made by someone who never visited. It's clearly by a non-Sikh hence why they called it "Golden Temple" and back then there weren't many photos, so someone likely described Sachkhand and did their art like this. Also, I doubt they would have allowed someone to set up a canvas inside and start painting within Darbar Sahib so it's likely the person is painting from memory even if they did see it firsthand - was probably still cramped inside with everyone rushing around even back then. Or could be Delhi Gurdwara. Looks similar enough, likely a historian mixed up the two. Hope this helps ji!

Gurfateh, I would like to book bhai sukha singh uk for a private sehj path and katha afterwards. Please give me his information email or number..haven't heard of him doing katha for a while..where is the pious bhai sukha Singh?

Sorry to humble you Raj, but ONLY Maharaj decides who's "ready for Amrit" - not "Raj24 from SikhSangat.com" Also what language are you referring to?

Took it from Coventry, Guru Hargobind gurdwara run by Tarna Dal. At Anandpur Sahib you can take pahul with purataan maryada from Nihangs at gurdwara shadeedi bagh, otherwise at takht Keshgarh sahib it will just be sgpc maryada unfortunately! East London is another place to find amrit sanchars with puraatan maryada. There is even a Nihang gurdwara in Amritsar which does jhatka, as well as some Nihang chaunis. You will find other places in Panjab as well. Takht Hajoor Sahib, although not administered by Nihang Singhs directly and the mukhis/mahants are shastardhari, they follow a puraatan maryada and it is endorsed by dal panth anyway!

most Singhs will say follow your panj. However there is a loophole which was done once by Master Tara Singh and 4 other Singhs on another Singh who took pahul from AKJ early last century, I need to find it. The only issue is AKJ are also going to give you naam dhrir which teaches to do Waheguru simran in a way which is annoying to myself and other traditional sikhs, and makes for very controversial keertan videos on youtube tiktok! Why not practice rehit first and then take pahul from panj you are comfortable with? There is no point in taking pahul from a panj if you are already aware of them? That is why I waited as well as I do not follow sgpc!

Probably AKJ amrit sanchar. AKJ also have an extra ritual called naam dhrir, where Waheguru Naam is instilled by sewadaars into the ears of newly initiated, some even do a belly hug technique when doing this lol! Not a panthik ritual by any length, but if you see that it's a chance to run away and reject it lol! It is possible for akj to tell their rehit. I used to live near Coventry and over there the Singh Sabha gurdwara is not the main gurdwara unlike most town. Coventry Singh Sabha is mostly akj events including amrit sanchars! Anyway calling out akj can get the ire of the mods on this forum, as this forum seems to mostly be run by akj and they preferred views only inline with akj be discussed on this forum, even though it is called sikhsangat, just another warning lol!

I think some people start following Nihang rehat after taking pahul from SGPC gurdwara (such as most Singh Sabha gurdwaras) . SGPC rehat will never force you to be vegetarian, most groups consider sgpc rehat as Akal Takht maryada. You should check before entering amrit sanchar which rehat it is. If it is taksali or AKJ they normally have their brtands on the poster!

not a good idea to do a meat discussion on this forum. A decade ago it could get accounts banned, but nowadays the current mods are a bit more lenient but probably not a good idea to push it lol but regardless, if it is bani, post it and let's see. There was a thread about bani and someone posted a twisted meaning about meat or halal. lol the thread became hidden when I explained the bani!

One of the five attackers killed himself Yes there were many people on this very forum that backed sukha and even claimed I and others are lying to defame him. If has the case. Why hasn't he cleared his name? Still hiding no where to be seen

Could you make me some bhature ????????? sorry paaji I couldn't help myself

you wanna hear disrespecting Maryada? Mai tuhaanu das sakta "maryada nu disrespect" de example Recently, an event happened where Maharaj literally saved my life. I'm desperate to shak Amrit asap and I called all 8 local Gurdware to ask for Amrit and they all said "no, wait till Vaisakhi" - I said "why" and these hunkaari old committee members said "cos it's not cost efficient to do this for one person". I even offered to pay for the Divaan Hall, provide my own 5 Pyaare (with the Granthi and Guard for the door) along with my own Kakkars, batta, Khanda Sahib, and even the water/sugar. And they still said no. Absolute kutteh. I ask you, when Banda Singh Bahadur trained enough and felt ready, he asked Maharaj for Amrit and they gave it IMMEDIATELY. If I want to join the Khalsa, who are these senile old pardhaana to deny me this blessing from Maharaj? It's not just "Ramgarhia Gurdware" as I found out literally today. I tried Singh Sabha, Ramgarhia and even a Sant/Baba wala Gurdware, oh saare same aa. All UK Gurdwaras disrespect Maryada - they don't even care if it's about the thing that began the Khalsa altogether - Amrit.

What happened, why did someone do suicide, were there mental health issues? hope you are doing better now! Well you can see he was already avoiding people by going to Malaysia, Canada, was it Thailand as well? Many personalities end up in Canada after committing paaps here in uk. Some of them run a site for children!!! Were there people supporting him on this actual forum??!

oh this was you. I remember when you came back to akhara after the incident. I tried to ask how you are, I have understood better now the state you were in. We kinda knew what happened but not in much detail back then.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CUU28x7FQ7c/?img_index=3&igsh=MWR5eDBvbWtpMDh2aw==

Sure

Good lad, apology accepted

ok look I'm sorry that I offended you. I want peace now, is that okay? Whether either of us is right or wrong we shouldn't be fighting, me included and I accept that I did wrong.

Been so much nindya and attacking Shastarvidiya since the 2000s, however if we look at gatka now it's still mostly as poor and poorly taught as it was back then, still morris dancing moves and still behzti moves in BBC shows about sikhi and vaisakhi. If people were going to attack shastarvidiya, wouldn't have made sense to improve gatka instead and make it more effective? Additionally, the Nihang Singh presence has improved greatly now, and the cracks within the the SGPC and affiliated jatha jathebandis are showing more greatly as panth becomes more knowledgable with dasam bani and itihas day-by-day, so much gyaan which was lost within panjabi sikhs during colonial times. In the 2000s, the groups were able to talk down this bani and gyaan by associating it with RSS and hindus, brahminwaad etc. Not working so well now is it? However with gyaan it would be also good for us to try and preserve our martial arts and keertan vidiya as well! More and more crazy keertan videos are coming out from jatha members that are being made fun of and making sangat annoyed and upset, on tiktok and instagram reels.

Ramgarhia Gurdwara disrespected Sikhi from their name alone. What happened was apparently Jatts used to take over the Gurdwara committees back in the 60s so Tarkhans went and opened their own Gurdware called "Ramgarhia" to deter us from going to their Committees and even from doing Darshan in those Gurdware. In some you actually have to be Tarkhan to join the committee, it's disgusting. They always use the excuse "Ramgarhia isn't a caste, it's to honour "Jassa Singh Ramgarhia". Lies lol they know what they're doing and even got the cheek to put in writing "committee seva... must be from a Ramgarhia Sikh family". It's nothing to do with "Ramgarhia Misl" it's just to keep Jatts out so Tarkhans can have their own Gurdware. Forget "langar maryada" - the langar is to show equality and hospitality for all regardless of background/caste and they failed step one

Same here. I just visited Patna Sahib. Seen all 5 Takhats.

1) Guru Granth Sahib with 5,894 hymns. (Note this Granth was given Guruship). It has 1430 pages. Granths by Guru Gobind Singh :- 2) Dasam Granth with 17,293 verses in 1428 pages. 3) Sarbloh Granth in 4,361 stanzas 862 pages in print. There are number of other works by various poets like Suraj Parkash, Bhai Gurdas and Nand Lal.

Bro, you should decide whether you want to wear bana or an aichken. An Achkan is a tailored jacket that goes to or just past the knees. It's considered formalwear for men in India. Bana is the uniform of the Khalsa dal (army). It's a plain navy blue chola (tunic). Because it's a uniform, there's no embroidery. The entire point is that you're a soldier ready to tangle as necessary. There's nothing at all wrong with wearing an achkan. If you want to wear something dressy, wear an embroidered achkan. Mixing and matching is like adding sugar to a dal/sabzi. It's like you want the cachet of a bana ("I'm a hardcore Khalsa warrior") and also want to show off.

Firstly, you have a problem with the language being used? What to do call a teacher? Ustaad (in Arabic/Islamic traditions), Aachaarya (in Bhaaratya/Hindu traditions) or Gurdev (in Panjabi/Sikh traditions). Maybe you'd like to police the language we use? Honestly, if you're that triggered by the type of language used, I'd dread to think what would happen to you if you came across someone who's name was actually "Gurdev"! A public forum probably isn't the place for you. I don't mind answering any point you've made regarding Nidar Singh (in fact, I'd invite you to ask), but I do not want to derail this thread. However, I will say this. As much as you slate Gurdev Nidar Singh Ji, he was one of the few/only people who stood behind the victims of Sukhas abuse. What does that tell you? And if you are going to reply, please come back with something conducive to this thread that would help support the victims of Sukhas abuse. Otherwise, please do not derail this thread, start a new one, and I'll see you there...

As I've said for a while, if you've got kids or nephews and nieces of a certain age, foisting them onto others in a religious camp for a few days isn't going to turn them into little gianis. Keep them away from those places because you'll get religious predators making it their first port of call. There's probably a reason they're called a CAMP. If you're British you'll know. The clue is in the name.

Revert back to the old lifestyle and get taken over by people with superior technology and weapons? The main reason the Europeans were able to take over the world was because they were inquisitive and invested time and money into science. Science which they used to develop weapons like guns, cannons, nuclear weapons etc that were used to take over less developed societies. It's no different today, the reason why America is able to invade so many countries is due to their superior technology and weapons.

Gurdwara bhai joga singh at peshawar. So much of our ithiaas is in pakistan ? Gurdwara bhai biba singh peshawar

Well this is interesting, a close source to the Baba tells me he has just started a 1 year course for Sangat who want to meet god. The rules are you have to stay at the Gurdwara and do all the practical meditation he tells you and he will show you god when you are worthy. So I’m guessing Guru Nanak Dev ji got it wrong when telling Sangat you must do your bhagti whilst living a grist Jeevan. Another way to brainwash you and get you sucked into this cult.

Forget about it and do not agonize.You have done nothing wrong.Guru Gobind Singh served meat to his soldiers.Remember how he dealt with Banda Bahadur.He cut goats and put blood on his bed.Even today,a goat is sacrificed opposite Durbar Sahib in Nanded on Dussehra.

I do wish the person that started this thread would realise his grammatical error, go back, press the edit button and change the 'admits' to 'claims'. Every single person with the surname Bedi I have ever met in my entire life claims to be the descendant of Guru Nanak Dev ji. Logic says only a few of them can be right.

I am glad that SGPC tore down that clock tower built by british and built Ghanta Ghar (main entrance).. It's was the cheap attempt of missionary ppl to let christianity inside sacred sikh religious place... Thanks for sharing pictures here are some other pictures...

Heres some more I found taken in 1880s

1860 painting with persian inscriptions Notice how the nishaan sahib flags are of reddish colour, and not in the triangular shape that we see now days. Picture taken in 1858

kartarpuri bir is the first bir, compiled by guru arjun dev ji (bhai gurdas ji wrote it). this the origional bir of the sikhs. guru sahib wrote it, so in case if he wasnt there to guide his sikhs, he could still talk, through SGGS. well you tell me ji, why isnt it important? reason why it is ji, like i said above, its the first ever bir. some say, that seeing the origional texts of the bible and the tohrah (jewish granths) were destroyed by the romans, is it not obvious some of the words have been altered? the kartarpuri bir is the word for word what guru sahib was telling bhai gurdas ji. no-one can alter the word because the kartarpuri bir can be looked up for reference. people made copies of SGGS, but origionally, they looked it up at the kartarpuri bir. every bir you see in the world was once copied from another bir, which was copied from another bir, which was copied from another bir, which was copied from another bir etc, this ultimatly leads to all the birs in the world having their word copying the actual word from the kartarpuri bir and (or) damdama bir. < br>every bir you come across in the world before guru gobind singh ji added more shabads to the kartarpuri bir is somehow linked to the kartaripuri bir. and every bir you see (at the gurdwara or at home) is linked, some how in some way to the damdama bir. when guru hargobind ji left amritsar for kiratpur sahib (i think), he took the bir with him, dhirmal (his grandson) stole it, just to prove he was the next living guru. but he wasnt. the sodhis tried to kill guru tegh bahadur sahib ji, one of his devote followers, makhan shah went after him, i think he plundered some of his stuff, including the kartarpuri bir, which he presented to guru sahib ji. guru ji ordered makhan shah to return the belongings to dhirmal and co. he declined to having the kartarpuri bir seeing that there were enough copies of the bir. now, perhaps someone can fill me in on how maharaja ranjit singh came to posses kartarpuri bir. he used to take a hukamnama from it everyday. i think the sodhis agreed to give him the bir, on a sum of cash (i think), but i am a fool, perhaps someone else learned on this site can fill me here ji. anyway, when the british came to punjab, they took all of the maharaja's belongings. the kartarpuri bir was handed to the indian government. in which, the sodhis decided to get back and took this matter to court. therefore, the indian court declared the sodhis were the rightful owners of the kartarpuri bir, seeing that the guru said to makhan shah to return it. thats what i think ji bhol chukke muaff das

well when i took amrit.. my 5pyaarey said its okay to take meat but as long as its non-halal meat... well i think they follow the akal takht maryada.. :wub: