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Dal panth rehat is closest. sahibjada Baba Fateh Singh wore the neela bana and dumalla from his great grandfather Guru Hargobind ji, and Guru Gobind Singh adopted this into khalsa as well. The dal panth Nihang Singhs used to give pahul at all 4 takhts. When the khalsa jathas were combined into the 2 dals, at that time Budha Dal was responsible for giving pahul to the Singhs and behaved as the 5th chakarvarti takht which watched over as praband of the gurdwaras with the tradition being of the mukhi of budha Dal being mukhi/mahant of Akal Bunga/Akal Takht as well.

tikh aa mera praa, tussi mainu maaf karo ji. Sikh lokhaan de vaaste, assi ik vaada parivaar aa. Dharam Yudh binaa, larai buri cheez hundi. WJKK WJKF

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Anandpur Sahib does and always has followed the Sikh Rehat Maryada, same as Darbar Sahib in Amritsar. They allow you to eat any eggs, fish or meat as long it is not Halal meat/killed Ritualistically. They say Kes is the Kakkar, not Keski. I believe only AKJ says that and nobody else. You can read the full Sikh Rehat Maryada, page 56-7 I believe is what the Panj Pyaare are meant to say on the day. My cousin took Amrit at Anandpur Sahib and the other in Darbar Sahib 8 years later. I showed them both this page and they said that is exactly what the Panj said to them word for word at their Sanchaar

ਕੇਵਲ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਮਨਿ ਵਸਿਆ ਨਾਮੇ ਹੀ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਪਾਈ ॥ Kaeval Raam Naam Man Vasiaa Naamae Hee Mukath Paaee || केवल राम नामु मनि वसिआ नामे ही मुकति पाई ॥ The Naam, the Name of the Lord alone abides in the mind; and through the Naam, the Name of the Lord, one finds liberation.

In 2019, a series of events occurred that led to a paradigm shift in the future conservation of Sikh heritage. At Gurdwara Sri Darbar Sahib in Tarn Taran, founded by Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji, there is a historic Darshani Deori gateway that was constructed during Sikh-rule by Maharaja Ranjit Singh’s grandson, Kunwar Nau Nihal Singh, who felt a deep connection to the sacred gurdwara. However, as with all buildings, overtime lack of surveillance and maintenance led to cracks developing in the structure. The Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee passed a resolution allowing the Kar Seva baba Jagtar Singh to “restore”, “renovate”, or “reconstruct” the Darshanj Deori. On 14 September 2018, a Jagtar Singh’s group attempted to topple the structure but local Sikh activists stopped them, saving it. By October of the same year, the resolution was withdrawn and the decision was put on-hold. However, that didn’t stop the zealous baba in his mission to destroy the historical building. The following year on the night of Saturday, 30 March 2019 at 9:00 P.M., a 300-man strong “army” of Kar Seva workers under Jagtar Singh armed with sharp-edged weapons, baseball bats, hammers, and sticks started toppling the structure, allegedly without the SGPC’s permission. For two hours, they continued their destructive rampage on the edifice ignoring desperate calls to stop their demolition from local Sikhs. The SGPC ignored calls trying to draw their attention to the issue. Finally at around 11:00 P.M., a police team led by deputy-superintendent Kawaljit Singh arrived and intervened, putting a stop to the Kar Seva destruction. Sadly, four domed-structured and other features located at the top of the building had been destroyed but the rest of the building was saved, for now. Local Sikhs demanded that a criminal case be put against the Kar Seva baba Jagtar Singh and warned that they would protest if this was not done. The manager of the gurdwara complex, Partap Singh, claimed to have called Jagtar Singh and told him to cease the vandalism but he did not lodge a police complaint. Sikhs were rightfully outraged at the wanton razing of their historical heritage by corrupt and ignoramus parties. The SGPC, seeing the anger of the Sikh Quom, decided instead to renovate and conserve the historical deori rather than demolishing it and rebuilding a new one. Before initiating the renovation work, a meeting was held in this regard and experts of Directorate of Cultural Affairs Archaeology and Archives Museum Punjab, Guru Nanak Dev University, Amritsar, local intellectuals and members of Sikh organisations assembled for discussion. The SGPC formed a three-member panel to investigate the issue. Partap Singh, manager of the gurdwara, was suspended for failing to prevent the dismantlement of the deori. All further gurdwara repair-related responsible were withdrawn from the Jagtar Singh-led Kar Seva group. An alliance of 30 Sikh organizations demanded an independent probe into the role of the SGPC and criminal action against the Kar Seva group. Surely, someone must be profiting from this affair, whether that means pocketing funds gathered under the guise of well-meaning Kar Seva from the Sikh community or other nefarious activities. The darshani deori would eventually be restored over the years following the incident by an archeological agency under the guidance of experts, without tampering with the original structure. This remains a critical moment in Sikh history: for the first time ever, the Sikh community stood-up and said NO, enough is enough. Too much has been lost, we will not allow more to be taken from us. The Kar Seva babas have destroyed 90-95% of Sikh heritage in Punjab within the past decades, the SGPC allows them to do so. Only we as Sikhs have the power to stop them. We have to raise our voice and allow ourselves to be heard! Staying silent and docile means more of our history will be stolen from us by these dushman, who prefer to pocket funds while converting Sikh history into mythology by wiping out all evidences of our past from this Earth. IMAGE CREDITS These photographs were sourced from various news articles and social-media posts documenting the incident. Two of the historical photographs (both from 1934) were provided by the Sikh History Research Centre of Khalsa College while another historical photograph was sourced from SikhMuseum.com. The colour photograph of the darshani deori taken prior to the destruction was sourced from the Facebook account of Rajwant Singh (Washington).

Shame if our past these modern days jatts sgpc lost are . One question I have is...where were the Nihangs and the anti jar Seva when anandgarh was town down and kshgarh remade to what it is now....mughals couldn't even destroy the qila. Yet we did at multiple places with our own hands..shame on sangat flr not stopping precious ones and lakh lanat to the destructors of Sikh puratan asthaans all these kar Seva babeh of the past

Reason behind it is. You can't get mass sangat in to fill the golak up.... that's why they are all the same in design etc .probs some mafia rAcket related to the mass marbeling of gurughars. Such a shame. Hardly any pictures of the original anandgar qila..only one in the toor collection

Very good post It's such a shame listen anandpur sahib and all it's fort could not be preserved

1) You've read many Sikh authors, but not Guru Gobind Singh Ji's 52 Hukams? "Kaurha bachan nahi kahinaa" ("NEVER utter a bitter statement") did not stop you from using racist words for Muslims, calling me "Shameful" and swearing? 2) Show me where the Gurus said I cannot eat beef Only a quote from the Gurus in Adi or Dasam Granth pls - if you can't find one that ta-da, have a nice day 3) Why come onto a Sikhi forum and name yourself Caveman? Everyone's username here has Singh, Kaur or something cool like "iPledgeBlue" cos it's Khalsa rang, but you're sounding like Fred Flintstone took Amrit or something . Shoulda just called yourself "Khalsa Croods" instead

Then in time, some selfish men, for the sake of filling their bellies, forsook the 'Sanatani' (traditional)Singhs (i.e., their Gurus' principles), and in accordance with their own intellect began to self-manufacture the [Sikh] faith. The ordinary people, thinking that they represent the Guru's faith, joined them. Not considering the past or future, not looking at past historical books. Then, when it reached such a state that for us [eating of] cow and goat was considered equal; that we were not Hindus; on hearing the Guru-like 'devtas' (Hindu gods/goddesses) being slandered, this dog of the Guru (i.e., loyal disciple) became dejected from the world. I desired that I sitting in some mountain cave eating the fruit [there in the wilds] I will subsist. To endure such anti-Dharma is a miserable plight." (Nihang Sanpuran Singh, Suraj Vansiya Khalsa Panth, (Siri Chand Press, n.d.), Introduction)

Beef????? Are you retarded????

Sikh and khalsa should hold their heads in shame. A " tenth dan" organized a martial arts event and invited Nidar Singh Nihang to demonstrate ad teach others....if a tenth dan can recgnise our vidiya why can't you Sikhs? Gore kale Muslims east Asians are all coming to learn par tusi Sikhs? Happy with spinning and jumping around every sword the same ey? Once a non Sikhs becomes bhujangi level. You Singhs will cry that you weren't taught. Look at the image, where is the khalsa learning? You guy will be left behind and gore kale musalman will take the gurus jungi vidiya. You have the opportunity to learn through the app...take the chance while it's there or cry once it's gone. If there was one person in the world left who knew how to read aad guru granth sahib..what would u lot do? Come and learn ? or admit defeat and sit at home and not even try?

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It's probably meant to be Harminder Sahib but was made by someone who never visited. It's clearly by a non-Sikh hence why they called it "Golden Temple" and back then there weren't many photos, so someone likely described Sachkhand and did their art like this. Also, I doubt they would have allowed someone to set up a canvas inside and start painting within Darbar Sahib so it's likely the person is painting from memory even if they did see it firsthand - was probably still cramped inside with everyone rushing around even back then. Or could be Delhi Gurdwara. Looks similar enough, likely a historian mixed up the two. Hope this helps ji!

"Vadhbhag Singh was born into a Khatri Sodhi family in the city of Kartarpur. A direct descendant of Guru Hargobind, he belonged to the lineage of Dhirmal & his heretical group, the Dhirmalias. Vadhbhag Singh’s family had by this time, reconciled with the main body of Sikhs (1) Vadhbhag Singh became the leader of Kartarpur—a city in Doaba established by Guru Arjan Dev (to be distinguished from the separate Kartarpur established by Guru Nanak), with Gurdwara Thamm Sahib. In 1757, when Abdali invaded India, he sent his general Nasar Ali to Doaba (2) Nasar Ali conquered Doaba for the Pathan forces under Abdali. He made Jalandhar his capital, and also paid a visit to the neighboring Kartarpur, where Vadhbhag Singh was born and now led. (3) Nasar Ali captured Vadhbhag Singh and cruelly tortured him. He also razed the city of Kartarpur, slaughtering its civilians, burned its main Gurdwara Thamm Sahib to the ground, and defiling the sarovar with slaughtered cows.Vadhbhag Singh was able to escape to the nearby hills(4) Vadhbhag Singh was angry at his failure to protect the holy Sikh site of Thamm Sahib (pictured here) and vowed outright vengeance upon Nasar Ali for his brutality and sacrilege (excerpts from Panth Parkash by Rattan Singh) (5) Adina Beg Khan was an Arain Mughal Nawab who wanted to reclaim Jalandhar from Pathan clutches. He heard of Vadhbhag Singh and went to visit him in the hills. The two greeted each other with respectful religious greetings and decided to forge a military alliance for Jalandhar (6) In exchange for Sikh support for the Mughals conquest of Doaba from the Pathans, Vadhbhag Singh got an oath from Adina Beg that he would be allowed to brutally pillage Jalandhar in eye-for-eye retribution for what the Pathans had done to Kartarpur and Gurdwara Thamm Sahib (7) Vadhbhag Singh then appealed to the main Dal Khalsa (Khalsa army) at the time led by Jassa Singh Ahluwalia and stationed in Majha, for his purpose of avenging the destruction of the Gurdwara. The Dal Khalsa arrived to Vadhbhag Singh’s request (8) The Dal Khalsa defeated the Pathan army defending Jalandhar. Upon this, knowing of the vengeance, fearful civilians appealed to Adina Beg for mercy on them. Afraid of Vadhbhag Singh, Adina Beg appealed to Jassa Singh of the Khalsa Army for mercy upon the civilians of Jalandhar(9) Jassa Singh convened a Sarbat Khalsa to discuss this proposal, which Vadbhag Singh answered by swearing that he would kill himself and any Sikh who stopped him from totally destroying Jalandhar. At this, the Khalsa Army agreed to move forward with the original, brutal, plan (10) In perhaps of the most merciless attacks by the Sikh army, all the surrendered Pathans in Jalandhar were slaughtered, and the entire city was sacked. Vadhbhag Singh only explicitly offered mercy to women & those who converted and became Sikhs on the spot (11) In an act of personal retribution, Vadhbhag Singh dug up the tomb of Nasar Ali (the Afghan general who had tortured him and defiled Kartarpur) stuffed pork into his mouth as an act of sacrilege, and burnt his remains the same way he had burnt Gurdwara Thumm Sahib (12) Following this, the Mughals under Adina Beg reclaimed custody of Jalandhar+Doaba, and formed an alliance with the Khalsa Army. Vadhbhag Singh retreated to the hills (in present day Himachel Pradesh) and lived the left of his life as an ascetic, starting a dera (13) His hagiography includes him adopting a raksha (demon) as his first disciple. He is remembered affectionately as Baba Vadbhag Singh, and his dera is still established with many devotees, and as a place to receive exorcisms for spiritual possessions

Sorry to humble you Raj, but ONLY Maharaj decides who's "ready for Amrit" - not "Raj24 from SikhSangat.com" Also what language are you referring to?

Took it from Coventry, Guru Hargobind gurdwara run by Tarna Dal. At Anandpur Sahib you can take pahul with purataan maryada from Nihangs at gurdwara shadeedi bagh, otherwise at takht Keshgarh sahib it will just be sgpc maryada unfortunately! East London is another place to find amrit sanchars with puraatan maryada. There is even a Nihang gurdwara in Amritsar which does jhatka, as well as some Nihang chaunis. You will find other places in Panjab as well. Takht Hajoor Sahib, although not administered by Nihang Singhs directly and the mukhis/mahants are shastardhari, they follow a puraatan maryada and it is endorsed by dal panth anyway!

Sukha “Singh” and victim statements. please read all the statements share and stand with victims and let’s work on solutions. https://instagram.com/thekaurmovement?utm_medium=copy_link shocking how many people still support him.

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Axes in Khulla yudhan An escrima master from America who regularly learns from Nidar Singh Nihang, why aren't you Sikhs learning? You are letting your own guru vidiya fo to non Sikhs. Then you will cry and create a ruckus because non Sikhs will have got to bhujangi level and you guys are still and will be just hitting sword on shield and cutting fruit. SnapInsta.to_AQOlN94WG9mx0flQTCXupnYUufCDkHzqUUKYxEQyfABR9R00Rtg27v4zfBW_w1-Xu72ChAsWKFQwTE26B7axyZG_E1-yCqmXFeFe_OA.mp4

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Shastar vidiya is the only martial art which caters to us keshdharis.....do other arts teach you how to protect your kesh /your dhara? Do they even teach you how to protect guru granth sahib ji if people entered the gurughar and attacked? (Something for all readers to ponder on)

If mina mugs was his best student than I am the pope.

Just like santiya or musical instruments..it's about the effort you put in our of class . Mugs was always behind the camera yet he now claims to be a gurdev, the shaheed Singhs will curse him for this. His ego has led him astray. Far from the truth. & Yes you can learn from the app. No right wing people aren't flocking to us. Infact we have masters of other martial arts learning from gurdevji. When the likes of "Fred Bigliardi" who is a master in his own art he trains in. He's been learning shastar vidiya for over a decade now. Once he reaches bhujangi level as a non Singh. It will be absolutely shameful to us apne and all you who wear bana and shastar but don't osses a single drop of the puratan jungi vidiya. It will be a slap to your faces that non Sikhs are learning the vidiya because they've seen how great it is and how it actually works. Yet you Sikhs with your hatred and ignorance slandering the gurus vidiya. Shame on you. Over ten years ago and he's still training in the vidiya, if a non Sikh can see how great our vidiya is. Why can't you "singhs? "

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Good way of putting it, bro. One of the ongoing themes of Gurbani is the fake saint. Whether it's fake babas in Punjab or English-speaking personalities in the West, it's an continuing problem of religion through the centuries (and it's not exclusive to us by any means, this applies to all human societies).

Bro, you should decide whether you want to wear bana or an aichken. An Achkan is a tailored jacket that goes to or just past the knees. It's considered formalwear for men in India. Bana is the uniform of the Khalsa dal (army). It's a plain navy blue chola (tunic). Because it's a uniform, there's no embroidery. The entire point is that you're a soldier ready to tangle as necessary. There's nothing at all wrong with wearing an achkan. If you want to wear something dressy, wear an embroidered achkan. Mixing and matching is like adding sugar to a dal/sabzi. It's like you want the cachet of a bana ("I'm a hardcore Khalsa warrior") and also want to show off.

He’s the victim of a revenge campaign https://realsikhissues.co/sukha-singh-kaur-movement-exposed/

Firstly, you have a problem with the language being used? What to do call a teacher? Ustaad (in Arabic/Islamic traditions), Aachaarya (in Bhaaratya/Hindu traditions) or Gurdev (in Panjabi/Sikh traditions). Maybe you'd like to police the language we use? Honestly, if you're that triggered by the type of language used, I'd dread to think what would happen to you if you came across someone who's name was actually "Gurdev"! A public forum probably isn't the place for you. I don't mind answering any point you've made regarding Nidar Singh (in fact, I'd invite you to ask), but I do not want to derail this thread. However, I will say this. As much as you slate Gurdev Nidar Singh Ji, he was one of the few/only people who stood behind the victims of Sukhas abuse. What does that tell you? And if you are going to reply, please come back with something conducive to this thread that would help support the victims of Sukhas abuse. Otherwise, please do not derail this thread, start a new one, and I'll see you there...

Where were all the other Sikh organisations/Gurdwara committees? No where, worse than useless, they all knew. In fact, some were involved in the cover up. It took a bibi from Canada to bring this stuff to light. Gurdev Nihang Nidar Singh Ji was one of the only people who stood squarely behind the victim in full support. And bhenji, I hope you're not implying that we should doubt the credibility of the accusations simply because Nidar Singh Ji is supporting and helping the victim (a task which no other Sikh organisation did)? I'm not sure how much experience you've had with abuse of any kind, but that's not how it works, especially when it comes to grooming etc. The psychological abuse in some of these cases is tremendous!

Most people don't report sexual abuse. Look at how much historic grooming cases turned up when the lid was lifted slightly. This reluctance is even more pronounced in conservative cultures when they can affect how victims are perceived and jeopardise marriage proposals. For male accusers it's even more complicated, as plenty of males wouldn't show any empathy for them, seeing them as having put themselves in that position; even laughing at them. Blokes can be like that.

The sangat of West London have known this for years, which is why he never showed his face around here. And anyone who helped cover it up (or was an accomplice to Sukha's abuse) will also be uncovered in due course... I remember the backlash I (and a couple of others) received every time I mentioned it on this forum. It's going to be interesting to see how his diehard-fanboys try and defend this... And Sangat Ji, I understand things like this may be difficult to accept, especially when you are not close to the situation. But we need to start taking things like this more seriously...

As I've said for a while, if you've got kids or nephews and nieces of a certain age, foisting them onto others in a religious camp for a few days isn't going to turn them into little gianis. Keep them away from those places because you'll get religious predators making it their first port of call. There's probably a reason they're called a CAMP. If you're British you'll know. The clue is in the name.

Revert back to the old lifestyle and get taken over by people with superior technology and weapons? The main reason the Europeans were able to take over the world was because they were inquisitive and invested time and money into science. Science which they used to develop weapons like guns, cannons, nuclear weapons etc that were used to take over less developed societies. It's no different today, the reason why America is able to invade so many countries is due to their superior technology and weapons.

Sikhs are forbidden to have any relations with dhirmals but baba vadbagh singh ji took amrit and became a khalsa

Gurdwara bhai joga singh at peshawar. So much of our ithiaas is in pakistan ? Gurdwara bhai biba singh peshawar

Well this is interesting, a close source to the Baba tells me he has just started a 1 year course for Sangat who want to meet god. The rules are you have to stay at the Gurdwara and do all the practical meditation he tells you and he will show you god when you are worthy. So I’m guessing Guru Nanak Dev ji got it wrong when telling Sangat you must do your bhagti whilst living a grist Jeevan. Another way to brainwash you and get you sucked into this cult.

Forget about it and do not agonize.You have done nothing wrong.Guru Gobind Singh served meat to his soldiers.Remember how he dealt with Banda Bahadur.He cut goats and put blood on his bed.Even today,a goat is sacrificed opposite Durbar Sahib in Nanded on Dussehra.

next you'll be saying Naam jaapan di ki lodh aa ...jeh tuvnho kuch nahin patte dooje nu mat tokho. maha paap hunda kisse nu Waheguru nalon tordan maha pun hunda kisse nu Waheguru naal jordan. Sant ji di upma jeh koe kare ja karena chounda it is understandable oh keh crore-an pattaran vichon ik heera see

Sant jee & his jatha was once staying in narangwal (sant kartar singh jee used to stay in the same place with jatha members). One bibi ji of that house made a sweater for sant ji but was too shy to give it to sant jee. It was cold weather and during evening time, sant jee said bring me a sweater of this type and everybody in the house started looking for it and bit confused as he only want that type of sweater. When bibi jee heard this, she gave the sweater to her brothers to give it to sant ji. This is one example of how saints are aware of everything around them !

My knowledge also come from Giani Thakur Singh Ji's katha as well: Sant Ji started off with 5 Japji Sahibs daily when he was a kid with hukam of his father and maintained a nitnem of around 100 japji sahibs later on. He also did chalisa 2-3 times where he would do bhajan bandgi 22 hours everyday for 40 days, sometimes making a bed of thorns and stones to lie down for 2 hours, He ended up leaving his body on the 40th day , but was sent back from sachkhand, and had darshan of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. He would leave his body at night and stay in sachkhand till morning. He would wash kachere /clothers/utensils/shoes of other Singhs at night when no one was looking. This is all what I heard in katha. There is much more we prolli don't know about.

I do wish the person that started this thread would realise his grammatical error, go back, press the edit button and change the 'admits' to 'claims'. Every single person with the surname Bedi I have ever met in my entire life claims to be the descendant of Guru Nanak Dev ji. Logic says only a few of them can be right.

I am glad that SGPC tore down that clock tower built by british and built Ghanta Ghar (main entrance).. It's was the cheap attempt of missionary ppl to let christianity inside sacred sikh religious place... Thanks for sharing pictures here are some other pictures...

Heres some more I found taken in 1880s

1860 painting with persian inscriptions Notice how the nishaan sahib flags are of reddish colour, and not in the triangular shape that we see now days. Picture taken in 1858

well when i took amrit.. my 5pyaarey said its okay to take meat but as long as its non-halal meat... well i think they follow the akal takht maryada.. :wub: