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  1. That is really really beautiful. Thank you veer pjs for bringing back unforgotten hair raising memories! The first time I heard this shabad above i.e 'hau dhadhee ve-kar, kare laea' was in Kuala Lumpur around 1977 by Bhai Dharam Singh Zakhmi's jetha in Sri Raag on the first day of their 3 month Malaysia tour back then!(It was around the time of Guru Nanak's birthday, hence they sang other shabads too like charea sodhan dharat lokaee etc') What could I say then and what can I say now! I was literally dumbfounded in bismad, my jaws were feeling like gapping wide and I felt I was in heaven. And that is less than half the story told! Dharam Singh Zakhmi's brother, also, gave the katha of the shabad which made me feel like I was experiencing that conversation between Gurujee and Waheguru live!. And O yes, beyond our comprehension is the moment when Guru Nanak and Akal Purukh WahGuru 'talk' as described in this shabad, because contained in that one convo is the past, present and future of the Khalsa Panth, for those blessed to pinprick into that universe of gyan.
  2. This cuts both ways. In traditional Indian culture and verbal communication(language), the matha or forehead is symbolic(rather than literal) of a curse or blessing/carrying forward past karmas/ God's grace etc upon a person. Hence Gurbani uses this form of expression according to the cultural setting where Gurujee was preaching. This is because the forehead of a person, together with the rest of a person's facial expression can be a quick giveaway as to how a person is feeling or reacting to something. In punjabee a person's unhappy, troubled state is described as ''methe te tiuria'' or methe te kale badal'', and when a person appears radiant and positive we say ''aaj tera metha chamkda''. Saying that, the brain, subconscious mind,and dasam duar are all behind the covering of the forehead skin higher upon our face and hence a spIrituallly enlightened person can 'sense' or read a person's past karma, coming life etc by glancing at the forehead. Gurbani encourages us to rest our forehead on Gurujee's Feet e.g when we metha tek before SGGS in a gurudwara to surrender, and as a sign of our humility and acceptance of Gurujee as our Father and Master, and accepting the authority and guidance of Gurbani in our life, and to receive the blessings from the holy dhoor or dust from the divine holy feet or charan kamal of Gurujee. Gurujee when He blesses us places His hand on our metha 'seerh hath dherio' and protects us 'seerh mastak rkha parbramgang-slok sanskriti SGGS.'.
  3. Dear Sunsingh jee, hehe acha hun tusi political economist Canada andar bohoth jaldee jaldee banh gheh ho,sanu ptah vini lgah haha! Anyway, just remember that statism is a controversial concept in political economy, and conspiracy theories will say that statism is opposite to capitalism and oppress individuality and allows thugs to rule society. The truth is that a fundamental shift is occurring in the political and economic structures of nations involving a questioning of the degree of goverment control and intervention in the economy and its influence on policy. It is however vague, and slow because it involves changing an entire status quo and humans at all levels,love their comfort zones and resist fast change, unless it is a new ipod hehe. According to Gurbani we live in a heterogenous universe of multiplicity and variety. Hence as Gurujee would say, yes there are kings who are predators like lions, and yet there are others who rule due to past karma fruits and may be benevolent, somewhat like the mix n match sweets in supermarkets. Likewise there are countries where there is oppression and others where fairness is king. These debates of which system is best will go on, but we have to focus on being Khalsa and creating Khalsa left, right, centre, as per example set by our Gurdev Pita. And why so? Because Khalsa invidually represents the perfect man and collectively the perfect society and system .
  4. It is catchy to call this an attack on the heart of Sikhism but is it really? Yes 84 was very painful, etc etc etc but in real terms it is hardly even a scratch on the surface skin of Sikhism. Why do I say this? Because Sikhi is more powerful, more eternal, more steady, more resilient, more solid, more greater than we could ever comprehend it with the best of our knowledge or imagination. Countless persons, even kings and emperors failed to see this, and have kept miscalculating that their attacks by murdering even 4 sahibzadas, attacking our central institutions like Darbar Sahib, Akal Takt etc would strike fatal blows on the 'heart' of Sikhism but the heart of Sikhism is kept and stashed away further away from human reach by God Almighty than the farthest universe UDFy-38135539, the most distant galaxy in the farthest constellation Fornax known to man. And why do I say that? Because when you truly understand Sikhism, you will realise that far from being a mere religion that can be destroyed through human effort, Sikhi is the heart of this universe itself, countless universes that have come and gone through countless Big Bangs in the past, and future universes that shall come and go in the future! Read and digest what Guru Gobind Singh Chojee Pritam wrote about the Khalsa and you will get a whiff of this. The above videos are truly wonderful, no doubt about that, but their true worth is when the reader who posted them and those who are watching them will translate all that generated emotion and 'zzbad' into a gursikhi jeewan that raises hairs when read or heard about. And why do I say that? Because I will tell you a secret' the heart of Sikhism is stashed away in every heart of every true Sikh past, present, and future! And we are not talking about the biological blood pumping machine called the heart here but the resurrection hub of Sikhi. I leave you to unravel the rest of this mystery.
  5. Lets engrave Sant Jee's words in our minds, and draw them on the canvas of our conscious mind, so we can be achieve true chardikela Gursikhi jeewan in our lifes in this one lifetime and that will be the one worthwhile best drawing of your life.
  6. Jee again is a punjabee/hindi urban cultured norm so dont worry about it. It is the substance that really counts. Gurujee does not keep repeating jee in addressing even God in Gurbani. Also do not worry about standing out. Thats for God to decide who should stand out and who needs to be a backbencher, and it ends up like playing musical chairs anyway, such is life. As to blind obedience and non blind obedience, we need to use bibek buddhee(the power of discrimination via one's wisdom to decide between two or more choices) to decide which is which, and which is appropiate when. For example, we can exercise outright blind obedience to anything gurbani says we should do, that appears crystal clear such as chanting naam, doing kirtan, reading gurbani, helping others, doing parchar, etc. However in our dealings with others, we may have to decide between being humble, soft and forgiving, and being brave and fearless and telling off the other person in no uncertain terms using in that instance anger as a tool, not as a master. I humbly told my neighbour a million times to not park his car behind mine but he kept doing it insensitively, and I even missed going to london for a gurpurab once because of this! Then one day, I roared like a lion so the entire street could hear me, looked at that man in the eye with red angry eyes, spoke very authoratatively and had the face of a sher with my beard and all. He was visibly shaken and never did it again. Working out what to do when, and how to adjust to a changing situation is a tricky business. Every Gurujee took Sikhi a step further, adding more roop to Sikhi. Guru Gobind Singh Jee crystallised all that in Khalsa. But Khalsa is again the starting point for millions more magical things Sikhi has, is, and will show because Sikhi is eternal with countless starting points. I have lived through a few different changing generations now and have seen how each generation of Sikhs are a starting point for the next generation who do more things for Sikhi and make Sikhi look even more beautiful. But I have also noticed that holding back from change, too much of looking back, fearing change, resisting change can be harmful not only for Sikhi but for anything. For example, a lot of people have a problem with australian Bhai Daya Singh's kirtan because it is multicultural in instrumentation and style. However it is necessary and in fact I would encourage young Sikhs to use popular styles like dub, reggae, hip hop , breakbeat, soca meringe, even rock etc etc etc to try to convey gurbani to people from other cultures who are used to these musical forms. Likewise I would encourage Sikhs in different countries in Europe like spain, france, norway , switzerland, germany to be prolific translators of gurbani in these languages and even provide translation of this website in those languages. I can never understand for example why the Sikhs in m'sia, and sing'pore or hong kong do not try to translate gurbani into chinese. Even in terms of modern media, we are still short of using internet resources to the best of Sikhi's advantage. This is where our future sewa lies if we want to follow Guru Nanak's example on the footsteps of His birthday and spread Sikhi globally. Gurujee infact dressed, talked , ate etc according to the places he visited during his long parchar tours. There would have been no saag paneer and gobi parathas awaiting mardana in mecca and no ready made bana for mardana in china. Hence we must be blindly obedient to Gurujee, but Gurujee has given us buddhi and would expect His future children to understand, interpret and express Sikhi intelligently from generation to generation. That is why Gurujee did not make us blind morons who can only operate by doing as told but made us His equals through Amrit and demonstrated especially through the story of the 5 Singhs ordering Gurujee to leave the kila of Anandpur, that the Khalsa has been empowered to make decisions for the good and future progress of the panth. I will give you a little example even though its not the best. I run a business and I expect my staff to do as told and to be obedient. I have been running this for 15 years so all a new employee has to do is to do as told and I know that through my experience they will be fine. However, I also train them to be able to run the business on their own when I am not around super smoothly. They are trained to be humble, to respect my authority and trust my knowledge and experience but through that I train them to fill my role and make necessary decisions on their own. Hence blind obedience is like a 50p coin. It gets translated into empowerment as one gains Gurgyan and Gurkirpa. Each Gurdev you could say at one level was blindly obedient to the earlier one, e.g Guru Angad to Guru Nanak. That level of utter humility only facilitated learning, gaining experience and Guru mehar so that eventually Bhai Lehna who came to lehna(take), through blind obedience took and infact became trusted and empowered to be Guru Angad Dev. As Guru Nanak translated, Guru Angad then took Sikhi many steps further and further and each subsequent Gurdev then continued this. This was the context in which I meant that we as Khalsa have a mandate to now take Sikhi into the 21st century through Gurujee's kirpa by working out where Gurujee wants us to go next in the journey of eternal Sikhi through time!
  7. kaljugi jee, Courage comes from Gurujee whether you are old or new to this forum, does not matter. A sikh always asks Gurujee to bless us with nirbheta(fearlessness). Gurbani says nirbhau jaapeh, sagal bhau mithe. What ever you need to be a good Sikh but dont have, including courage, ask Gurujee and Gurujee will give, do not ever doubt that. Jo mangeh thakur appaneh te soi soi deveh. Ask as a humble stubborn beggar if need be and you will be able to make a dying unconscious man that doctors have given up hope on, come back to life. AN evil person sees either his redemption or his death when he sees a Sikh, and a spiritual person sees God and eternal life in a Sikh. Courage is also a natural byproduct of being honest, sincere, loving, humble and comes as you walk on Sikhi marg. It is better to be misunderstood than to refrain from saying that, which you feel God guiding you to do, or say, which will help to reflect the shan of Khalsa Panth, and further, the cause of Sikhi. A wise person for whom it is intended will always see the wisdom of one's words if indeed they are wise, and a foolish person (forget your or my words) will even read gurbani and live life in circles, or as Gyani Maan Singh Jhaur once put it, will remain a kerchi(ladle) that stirs a curry but does not melt and become curry. If you are sincere and God led, Gurujee knows the magic of making who He wants to read what you write, or listen to what you say, and make them see its worth. So every time you post do an ardas before you post, and then post, and it does not matter even if you get misunderstood, or are not a hundred percent correct. We abide in this forum as a family, correcting and sharpening each other, as iron sharpens iron. This is our Khalsa love for each other.
  8. pJs veerjee, Waheguru, Waheguru, Waheguru meh ki aakha agoh tuhanu haha. I am doubly excited because Gurujee has blessed me to be back for more kirpa through Gurmukhs like yourself and all the rest of our blessed matava, veers and bhenjees, and choteh bhetas and bhetees here. Vekho nah aapah ral milh keh hee ek duje nu chardikela val prerna heh, heh ke na? Please thank Gurujee that He listened to your life and death situation vali ardas for me, and all the intense pain is lifted by Guru's miracle, and replaced by chardikela, and aagoh vee sanu ardas time teh yaad karna guru maharaj sanu hor vee chardikela and kirtan simran rehat di daat bekshan
  9. (First of all my apologies to all my gurmukh gurpyareh gururoop satsangis here, especially those who remembered me in their ardas during my operation. The last few months have been a challenging time of post-op recovery. Felt as if I had died without it being even noticed hehe, not that I would like it to be noticed at all, when Gurujee hopefully blesses me with Akal Chelana one day in time! A Sikh’s life is never like GroundHog Day but is like a meandering river of bismad and gurkautaks and chojs as the journey of life extends through mountains and valleys, right till we breath the last of our predestined number of mortal swas.) As I read around different topics on here, there are important connections between seemingly different topics that I wish to open for discussion. There is the issue of the gray’s gurudwara and meat and alcohol consumption within the gurudwara complex during weddings etc, Southampton gurudwara with meat during langar, ragi not mentioning SGGS satkar protocal youtube video, ‘Sikh’ businesses selling tobacco and alcohol etc. This is a mind boggling pleuthora of beadbi and Sikhi satkar issues that sometimes seem to dominate and trickle their way into every forum topic. Sometimes, I feel they can create an illusion that Sikhi is nothing but a stressful set of strict puritannical do’s and don’t’s, involving some hurt, angry, sensitive and upset people who do not appear to have humour, joy, patience, and greater tolerance in their lifes. My aim here is not to present my opinions about beadbi, because there are no two Sikhs I know of, who are a hundred percent agreed about about everything and anything there is about Sikhi, and from my experience it hardly takes five minutes of serious discussion between any 2 Sikhs to see that their understanding of Sikhi was not rolled out robot style in a factory in China! but differs somewhere or the other. Rather, I wish to gaze into the steaming theological crucible, from which all beadbi related issues spit out constantly. Some pertinent questions are; 1)how do we find the balance between fighting these beadbi fires on the one hand, and on the other, emphasise the fact that a Sikh is a person superflowing and superfilled with anand, daya, seel, santukh, nimrta, gyan and sabar and has risen above human misgiving and religious legalisticness. 2)how do we let nothing distract us from our main aim which ought to be Sikhi parchar. Plenty of beadbi was happening during the lifetimes of Bhai Sahib Bhai Randheer Singh, Sant Jarnail Singh Bindrawale, Bhai Sahib Bhai Vir Singh,Kaleran Vale Sant Attar Singh, Yogi Bhajan, Maskin ji, etc and the countless list of other leading Sikh luminaries. Not that they overlooked it, but they countered it with jeewans marked by endless amounts of Sikhi parchar to bring Sikhi to the masses, to inspire, to educate, to teach and to preach. A lot of what we see good about Sikhs and Sikhi is due to the efforts of gurmukhslike them who focused on living oocha soocha jeewans and becoming charismatic saints of Naam magnetically attracting everyone around themselves to Sikhi, and facilitating everyone they knew into getting zapped by dhan Sikhi. Yogi Bajan Singh even brought Sikhi to the whites! Without liking to judge, I have an unexplained crinchy feeling for some time now, that many of us who have a lot of tall talk about beadbi, and sincerely do love and care for Sikhi and will defend Sikhi tooth and nail, somehow are failing to recognise the importance of Sikhi parchar in their own lifes, and are defenders more than strikers. We are focussing on maintaining status quo, rather than pushing boundaries. On countless occasions I have been to Southall and seen many chardikela Singhs/Singneeas there but never have I once seen a single one of them(rather us!), taking a group of invited non Sikh friends for a tour or explanation of a gurudwara, or bringing them around for gurpurab. 3)This brings me to the next point' What exactly does Sikhi mean to us? When we are talking about protocals of respect towards SGGS, are we talking about protocals that actually have more to do with hindu and punjabee culture, rather than Tat Sikhi. Our 10 Gurdevs lived in an era of time and space where there were cultural protocals consistent with the geographic area and general culture of the populance they lived and preached in. Some of these they rejected, others they allowed but was it meant that Sikhi would be forever cast and contained within these protocals, or rather did our Gurus bless and trust their children(us!) to flourish, spread themselves around the globe, and allow Sikhi to grow and express itself within the protocals of respect inherent in other cultures. Guidance issuing from our Takhts have to take into account the globalisation and internationalisation of Sikhi and our leaders at the helm need to understand this. My sisters in law for example had to demonstrate their respect outwardly to my mother by covering their heads( but hated her within!) but, at my business, all the white women who work for me do not cover their heads because that’s not their way of showing respect, but the respect they show me in millions of other ways would put my sister in laws to shame and in fact it makes me love these ladies as my own daughters. In the UK sometimes we use wit too, to show respect. Once a customer told me my food is 'terrible'. In English culture, it can be a witty way of saying he liked it.I get customers from all around the world, and it is intriguing, observing how respect is shown differently whether you are chinese, japanese, ghanaian, eritrean, spanish , norwegian etc. Sikhi was not meant to be some inflexible, aging, ancient and archaic religious philosophy adorned perpetually with Hinduistic and punjabee culture protocals. Sikhi is mahan, is a living, growing, multiplying faith that so far has seen the seed and only now is beginning to sprout into something incredibly more powerful and beautiful than you reading this can ever imagine, because whats coming in Sikhi is beyond your best imagination, your religious and cultural mindset, and your personal preferences. Our Gurdevs rolled out something that would snowball into something utterly fantastic for future generations, but, remember, a butterfly comes from a caterpillar but does not look like a caterpillar. The challenge for this and future generations is to recognise within the seeds and winds of change, what is to be embraced and what is detrimental for Sikhi and adjust accordingly. Our Gurdevs during their mortal journeys showed us how Sikhi is not meant to be stale but is meant to spiral upwards as Khalsa Panth progresses. In the UK, and wherever there are four seasons, it is interesting to note how each season brings with it new beauty, new forms and new colours a point even Baramah bani in SGGS emphasises. These are things to think about, and relate to Sikhi because Sikhi is like a beautiful oak tree that is growing from an acorn to a gigantic huge rock solid giant tree with millions of big leaves and real hard steady branches from which houses are made. We need to stop turning back to look at the acorn and trying to be acorn again, but merge our miniature vision into the mighty Vision of things to come. Saying it this way, is not to pump your or my ego about Sikhi, but to humble us that Sikhi really requires us to not hide those boring old ways of petty, stubborn, and argumentative human behaviour, as well as disagreement, rife and everything else earthly behind the garbs of religion and in the name of religion. We need to recognise that to be a Sikh and Sikhi requires far more from us, than to be convenient amritdharee nitnemis who use religion very hypocritically. We slap an akal takht maryada on whoever is doing anything wrong, but we never ever write a single letter to akal takt why women should no longer be excluded from kirtan and other duties in Darbar Sahib or allowed to be one of the 5 piaras during Amrit Pahul, and that’s just one stone pulled out there! We spent so much energy crying foul and screaming our heads off when Darshan Singh Ragi said and did what he did which any white person would probably just ignore and dismiss as a case of the 3D's in Jackass 3D due to his old age,(which would have left some room of appreciation for what good he did for Sikhi prior to that), yet how many of us have resolved to learn kirtan,indepth path and give up our jobs and tour for Sikhi around the world. We worry about other people’s lack of satkar to SGGS and gurudwaras and waste no time to go witch hunting at the first oppurtunity and look more startled than Catherine Tate could possibly look in her shows about things that shock. Yet, in our individual lifes we secretly or unawaredly do more beadbi of gurbani and show less satkar to Sikhi than we display on our holier than thou pedestals here. Why do I say that? Because for all our protectionist attitudes, what can we show cause in terms of spreading Sikhi to people of other cultures apart from punjabee and is this part of our individual resolutions? Have we used hard earned money to buy books on Sikhi for non Sikhs? Do we try to understand SGGS/DSGGS line by line, word by word as part of a slow lifelong study of gurbani as a personal project? What are we doing for Sikhi apart from organising coaches to protests and posting some angry comments here making us look more loyal than loyal, that spreads the shan and mehanta of Sikhi to the local communities we live in? Forget about meat eating, what about the blatant abuse three quarters or more of our gurudwaras do to granthis who live in gurudwaras denying them proper accomodation, bullying them, hiring and firing them at leisure and underpaying them. That to me is even a bigger beadbi because it brings a massive holy curse on the panth to allow its guru-ghar-wazirs to be demonically mistreated this way. We do our nitnem, fulfill some bits of rehat and then indulge in some psychological satisfaction that we are the ‘real deal’ compared to those less educated/informed elders who came to UK 30-40 years ago in a struggle for survival and set up shops selling things not encouraged for our personal use in Sikhi. We forget that in their adoora-poon they also did make efforts to hold on to whatever little they did understand about Sikhi such as setting up gurudwaras all over UK, teaching us-their kids punjabi, tell us we are Sikhs, and facilitate our affiliation with punjab. Our posts here have to show our appreciation for all of this, rather than show us having completed a full circle of the process of westernisation and 'coconutisation' by becoming hardhearted, headstrong, sensitive, opinionated, arm chair critics that start their sentences with ifs and buts. In fact if we truly understand Gurbani, we would realise we are hardly a step higher then those we hate or criticise as we do antheri-dhyan of the lachans we have accumulated, with bibek buddhi and compare them with the 6 main lachans of a true gurmukh as described by fifth Gurdev Pita in slok sanskrit, pg 1357, SGGS. Actually, for all our abidance, obedience and adherence to rehat and Sikhi, we have our own mind blocks to undo which prevent us from seeing who we really are and can be in Sikhi. A Sikh is death’s death and life’s life!- that is our real inheritance from our Gurujee. As you walk, what do you constantly think of? If it is not you hearing Wah as you breath in, and Guru as you breath out, then you are committing beadbi of your swaas and of this temple of your body which is supposed to be a mobile gurudwara. Are you constantly preaching Sikhi like a true saint to Whoever and Whatever comes across your path in your rehni behni kehni and sehni, if not you are comitting beadbi of your mobile-gurudwara-human body in which resides antar-gur. Do gurbani verses flow like the air you breath out from your mouth, if not a beadbi is being comitted by your tongue. Is every calorie of whatever food-fuel you are eating getting burned up in doing something beautiful for Sikhi or do you secretly indulge in lustful thoughts, non-naam based thoughts,thoughts about money and marriage and maya ever so often, because if you are, you are comitting beadbi of Sikhi big time. You are waiting to slap Harbans Singh Jagardhree Wale who just lost a son and cannot see very well, and has been a source of great inspiration towards Sikhi maybe not for you but others, for a slip up in announcing head covering protocal during a crowded marriage, but I bet you my last penny you who hold a stone to throw are not without sin yourself. You do ardas but I see not you following the maryada of vekh ke andith kerna. Word play we can all indulge in, but beware that Mahablee Shree Guru Gobind Singh is staring into your heart, not about how anyone on earth could possibly do beadbi of Him, but the beadbi You do of Him in your personal life in the midst of all your prayers and internet postings and get away, scot free with it. My aim in all this, for those who know me is not to indulge in bashing anyone but to think deeper. Bhai Dharam Singh Zakhmi, during a kirtan darbar in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia at Tat Khalsa Gurudwara in the 1970’s, said one thing I never forgot, a Sikh is one who does dhyan-ka –dhyan i.e introspects the direction of his thoughts, and questions himself within. We need to do more of this individually, and together. Instead of constantly fighting dry-forest beadbi fires, lets have more Sikhi parchar rain to dampen the ground, from beadbi happening. Then satkar will be a natural byproduct as has been proved in generations before this. We need to be a community that starts having a game-plan about things, about how to have gurudwaras that are not ugly looking urban sprawls but engage and respect traditional local architecture and promote urban greenery, and look very beautiful with gardens and water fountains, and promote Tat Sikhi and have beautiful side residences for guru ghar sewaks. We need to have a vision for parchar, for our future, for our kids, for future generations that emphasises on education about Sikhi and unity among Sikhs, that has a highly educated non politicised independent clergy and leadership, and engages Sikhi with the needs of a suffering world seeking answers to its future. We need to see from here to beyond as to how Sikhi is a force that does not submit to any culture but makes all cultures submit to it. We live in very exciting times when Sikhi is on the verge of a mighty release from the stranglehold of Punjabee culture on it, and we have to be harbingers of this change. Remember the saag paneer you love in a gurudwara is more Punjabee than Sikh!
  10. vedhayeea!!!!!!! MAY HIS EXCELLENCY, HIS ROYAL MAJESTY, THE EVER LIVING, ETERNAL, EVERLASTING , AND MANY MANY MORE TITLES OTHERS CAN ADD ON TOO HERE, PLUS THOSE ONES UNKNOWN TO US BUT KNOWN TO SRI AKAAL, AND OUR REST 9 GURDEVS, PANJ PYAREH, CHALEE MUKTE, CHAR SAHIBZADAS, NOT TO FORGET TITLES STASHED AWAY AT DIFFERING LEVELS OF SECRECY TO BE REVEALED ACCORDING TO THE RISING STATUS OF A GURMUKH WITHIN SGGS AND ALL OUR HOLIEST GRANTHS, AND MANY MORE TITLES GURMUKHS PAST AND PRESENT HAVE BESTOWED AND FUTURE GURMUKHS SHALL BESTOW I.E HIS HAZUUR DHAN DHAN SATGURU AMARDAS MAHARAJ PATSHAH, BLESS US ALL ON THIS WEBSITE AND EVERYTHING THAT EXISTS IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE OF SRI AKAL THAT SRI AKAL I.E WAHEGURU LOOKS UPON EVERY MOMENT AND KISSES, BECAUSE THATS WAHEGURU HIMSELF KISSING HIMSELF SINCE TWO LIPS MEETING TOGETHER IN AN ETERNAL KISS BECOMES THE UNION CALLED AMAR . Vah ! Gur Maharaj through this name, i.e AMAR is giving away his secret i.e He is Eternal. And in His name i.e AMAR, is secretly encoded the power of His potency i.e that those who kiss His Holy Divine Charan Kamal as they bow down anywhere they want and turn their mukhs towards Him and call upon Him knowing that He is alive and hold their hands to their mouths and in 100% faith visualise kissing His Holy Feet , shall indeed be made amar because gurmukhs do not get old and gurmukhs never die! Vah! And from those Maha Holy Lips of Guru Maharaj which constitute that, which the universe crystallises into, when it starts contracting, is crystallised Guru jee's entire message to that same universe in one word i.e be amar. Vah! for the sake of one singular reason crystallised in one sentence i.e KHALSEH MEH HO KHROH NIVAS! Vah! O Guru ki sangat jee, please on this day, whoever is reading this, before you forget, please rightaway do a prayer in your heart for me to love Guru Amardas more and more, i mean like really really loads and loads more. That would be really kind of you. Thanks.
  11. gurdssingh, I have not accused you of that which you have stated if you read my post more thoroughly. I have no desire to visit a forum that has to do with Sikhi, and Sikh youths and be wasted space wishing to accuse or slander either you or any one else, either intentionally or non intentionally, as that makes me a sinner beyond your imagination and I am aware that I do already have too many sins in my life as it is, that I grapple like a fool to content and get rid of. I deal with facts because a Sikh must have no business with opinions but must strive to think , talk and act according to Sat every passing moment of his life. There are many things, many people say even on here, that I read that I never comment upon till I know the reality of it. I am not an idler lazily sitting around wanting to treat this forum as a place to argue with anyone to be a winner because that would constitute an injustice to, and a serious violation of the purposes for which this forum exists. I treat the person who started this thread as someone though young enough to be my grandson, as my holy elder brother in my heart of more importance to me than you can imagine, and I treat any question he has to ask as a question requiring all my attention and input if I am capable of helping him. In the ongoing discussion about his question I am able to help him map his course and thats why I am here. I am no stranger to the asian success story in the UK as through Gurujee's apar Kirpa and Will, I do confess shyly with the most utmost humility. I am one myself , which was accomplished at a speed that baffles many other Asian businessmen in the city I live and inspires more whites than you could imagine leading right up to my local MP and way beyond and higher up political circles, and that is me just stating just a pinch of what is more but not more for me to share with you for the present. However, you need to analyse this story in the context of the changing socio-economic-political scenario of the UK to appreciate the points I am making as any reader in economics and related areas, especially one with experience will confirm externally, or maybe more of your own in depth research. Further, hard work definitely is crucial, but, by itself, is no man's guarantee that it will work on its own. This is a primary gurmat principle introduced to us gently in SGGS in the elementary mention of karma and kirpa, the deeper understanding of which then, in our same SGGS is mysteriously stashed away, and stretching layer by layer like a rainbow into eternity to be beheld so excitedly , as the angle of the lens of buddhi are graced by Gurujee to slowly but surely sharpen for those who are the darlings of Shree Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj!!!!! Vah! Dhan Sikhi mere Gurdev di! and Dhan Bani Nirangkar Di! No wonder it is stated that BANI NIRANGKAR HAI, TIS JEVAD AVAR NA KOEE!!!!! Gurbani enlightens us that the story of any one lifetime, of any creature in the entire present universe of God and including the universes of the past and those of the future, at every micro-second of its tale, has countless angles to it, some beheld and understood, and some not, by that creature, since there is a mysterious element to God's character. This gurmat teaching is the basis of my analysis and it is a very mind blowing analysis even for me because it propels us Sikhs, at varying degrees to the reality and truth of things, earthly mortals like us cannot normally comprehend and is beyond all our opinions, education , and experiences. It gets even more fascinating, when you grasp through gurbani that, a)that micro-second event I just mentioned has many more countless micro seconds packed into it which are universes of their own and that b) that micro second activity we are talking about actually represents a cataclysmic seismic event of unparalled brilliance and beauty , as well as a one off presentation of the power of many countless forces that have just erupted in union or collusion. And life is a long stretch of all of that out together! Now, how awesome is that! It would make the greatest PHD guy in this world to cry helplessly like a baby when this little grain of Gurbani truth hits his buddhi!! It is in that context that I would refrain from your attempt to use the examples you have used to prove your case, as gurmat gyan has the REAL tale to tell about the success or failure of any creature's one particular lifetime. My passion in this thread for this veerjee's desire for a gym exists for the singular reason that Gurbani and Sikh history teach us in unison that God very very very very often expresses his Will through a vision that is no respector of age and the rest. Hence any advice anyone has to give him is of prime importance, as is his ability to comprehend it. If not this forum is not going to do justice to what Guru Gobind Singh expects from any of us on this forum, as it would start giving the impression to a passerby that this is just another internet forum involving people who live life by opinions and kitabi as well as durmati gyan and idle arguing, talk before they think, and answer before they have pondered in the manner expected of Gurmukhs who by the Order of His Divine Majesty , His Hazoor, Dhan Dhan Shree Guru Gobind Singh are expected to think, talk and walk as gyanees and as sant sipahis. This Order has to be reflected in the way we talk to each other on this forum or else we are guilty of a serious crime with consequences beyond our comprehension. I shudder and shake , tremble and can hardly any more mumble, at the very though of that. But, saying the above, as always, if you think I have indeed in anyway accused you of anything, I stand like a humble beggar at your door, O gurdssingh and with folded hands and a lowered head I beg forgiveness. That which a Sikh brother holds in his heart about another Sikh brother, can snowball and become the very cause of the decline of the latters chardikela because anyone who pricks the heart of a gursikh like you pricks the heart of Guru Gobind Singh and I defoinitely desire no such misfortune to never and ever come anywhere near me either in this or any other janam. Hence, please remove any thorn resulting from anything I have said from your heart and I shall be eternally grateful to you. This more than a prayer from my heart to you as you read this.
  12. oops i got a sentence wrong up there so I am correcting it and repeating it here , silly me. ''Vah Vah! Dhan Sikhi which teaches us little nirguniareh this huge massive secret about existence that is God's Order to all creation via SGGS, DGGS and the rest of anything and everything else my darling Gurus, oh my absolute darling 10 Gurus have ever written, spoken and whispered into the hearts of gurmukhs from aad to jugad, till that split second,(oh I am even too small and ashamed to mention His Hazuur , oh my heartbeat and heartthrob's name) Baba Nanak Dev , manifested into this creation till this split second I am writing this long winding sentence where it stops right here, and beyond from here into the rest of eternity as long as Guru Maharaj wishes to. Hehe that includes many many more seconds till i just made this correction but you Gurmukh beloveds live in a timeless zone called AKAAL in SPACESHIP SIKHI , so its cool as time does not bother you anyway .
  13. Only Five, i agree with you totally with a qualification i.e............... a Gurmukh is a beloved of God who( among all other Gurmat related issues), sees this entire universe as a marvellous aspect of God's Will in action that we have been blessed to live in, and that, making, maintaining, and destroying the universe is a game God enjoys among more other things, that we do not or may not have knowledge of, either individually or more. In relation to this Gurbani teaches us that God is the Root and the universe the tree manifesting the Will of that Root in wanting the tree leaves, fruits and flowers i.e us, to exist and be in a deep relationship with that Root which sustains them, and to between themselves love each other and recognise the presence of that Root as the lifeforce maintaining them, and not slide into a destruct mode between themselves. Hence in relation to that, a gurmukh is like a bird that knows how to skirt the sky, gaze down below, and recognise food from non food to sustain its life before it darts down for the kill. This translates itself in human terms to mean that a gurmukh knows what to pick and behold as good and what as bad in any culture of all the various cultures God has created in the world because the life force exists secretly in all of them. A gurmukh sees everything this world as part of the beautiful garden of God but knows which are the self destruct buttons in any of those parts that he must not press,leave alone touch, as well as what are the beautiful things in each of them that he/she is expected to behold. A gurmukh is a royal prince who sees everything within his radar as belonging to his Dad, i.e VAH VAH GURU GOBIND SINGH MERE PYAREH KALGIAH VALE! A gurmukh grabs anyone and everyone from pope to prostitute in his/her arms and cries and says ' you are my Dad's belonging, and you are my brother or sister. Vah Vah! Dhan Sikhi which teaches us little nirguniareh this huge massive secret about existence that is God's Order to all creation via SGGS, DGGS and the rest of anything and everything else my darling Gurus, oh my absolute darling 10 Gurus have ever written, spoken and whispered into the hearts of gurmukhs from the split second , (oh I am even too small and ashamed to mention His Hazuur , oh my heartbeat and heartthrob's name)from aad to jugad when Guru Nanak Dev Maharaj manifested into this creation till this split second I am writing this long winding second where it stops right here, and beyond from here into the rest of eternity as long as Guru Maharaj wishes to. Sorry for being so long winded but cant help it when thats how my mind thinks and works bit by bit in a long winded way to tell you all and everything in my heart out of love and honesty because I really enjoy everything you and others write on here even if we are shouting at each other, because all of you on here great future chardikela leaders on this blessed Sikh Youth forum of the greatest and highest panth of all time i.e KHALSA PANTH give me at the age of 52 hope in the future of that which I love and should love even when I am forgetting and backsliding i.e KHALSA PANTH, which is all that we are created to be passionate about, for one singular reason, which is that khalsa panth is the Jaan-ki- Jaan of Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj, apart from Whose pleasure there is really nothing else to live for another split second. I have some mental image of this Sikh youth forum as a place where a lot of you are less than 52 and it excites me and is a second home for me when I am hanging out on the internet when I have time. Your posts inspire me about the future of Sikhi , in fact every post does somehow, and it feels like one huge massive house party or rave of Gurmukhs dancing in ecstasy. As i read this forum, I imagine how each of you possibly look and it feels even more exciting than a Gurudwara at times because now here I can spy on what anyone and everyone is talking about Sikhi in every different section of this forum, rather than just one granthi giving his parchar on Sunday. This sikhsangat website is a 24/7 gurudwara with so many gyanees i can hear talking, arguing, explaining all at the same time and thats absolutely awesome, since all of you are gyanees surviving on naam either as a tiny robin or a huge albatross. You young gyanees all of you at varying levels of understanding and experience about gurmat and ever thing else about Sikhi are trillion trillion times more exciting than the many durmat gyan based people of this world and hence its so blessed hanging out with you. I see the Holy Blood of GURU GOBIND SINGH flowing from my generation into yours and thats the most spectacular sight in the entire universe. I am damn jeolous of you too sometimes though, more commonly than not, I must confess because you guys have so much new electronic technology that my generation did not have that you are and will be using like websites, ipods, live broadcasts, facebook, etc that would have made Sikhi so exciting in my generation too, and helped us spread IT more effectively. I do ponder sometimes how your generation is going to cope with Sikhi spreading into other cultures as it is slowly now such that Sikhs come from different cultures of the world not just punjabee, and a) how sikhs from each culture are going to have to learn from each other how not to let that particular culture attempt to control or destroy it, b) how sikhs from different cultures will tolerate each others attempts to understand, interpret and practise Sikhi in the context of their own culture, as there will be some common denominators but differences too, and c) how punjabee sikhs will use their experiences in these 2 points just raised to help Sikhs from other cultures to avoid the same mistakes. I think these are very very interesting issues since one day Raaj Karega Khalsa is going to be the( oh God )one massive glorious day , which will be to Sikhs what eid ka chand is to Muslims but in a trillion oh many trillion trillion ways even more exciting watching Khalsa anywhere and everywhere you go holding hands and loving each other and nothing but Khalsa anywhere you look. My train of thought is like a slow moving river so I am sorry if my long sentences dont make sense . In addition I have talked using birds and nature a lot as analogies because its summer exploding in UK now and there is birds whistling everywhere I can hear even as typing this . The blackbirds are the worst culprits because they whistle again and again so loud endlessly because they are all wooing and romancing through cheeky loud long whistles, and its reminding me of gurmukh's love for Gurujee and making me feel very guilthy that I fall short of the endless stubborn passion they are displaying in public not bothering if anyone else is being disturbed or hearing them, that I need too, to be a gurmukh like you great brothers and sisters here. I will stop here before i start another old man's boring long winded essay on flamingoes i just saw in a wild life bird conservatory just the other day that so reminded me of how gurmukhs should look and behave. ''HAR KI OT JIVEH DAAS TERE, NANAK PRABH SERNAI'' SGGS pg 1269.
  14. I wish to reply to the points shastr and gurdssingh has replied, I wish too, to input my advice to the latest question that gurdssingh has posed , but it is specifically addressed to Singh, so I shall refrain. I apologise if the following is rather short, sketchy and does not explain what I wish to say more clearly but that is because I am a businessman, I have a very busy weekend ahead because my business has an important change happening tomorow, so my schedule for today has many items on its agenda, hence I am busy, and I also am very slow in typing. But I shall keep an eye on what anybody further replies to what I have to say and reply that in due course. I also wish to mention that anything I have said so far, am going to say and will further say if required is based upon my knowlege on this particular business, as well as my education and experience in business generally, and I understand there is a Sikhi angle to this issue too. Shastr, I do not agree with what you have said i.e 'the first thing your gonna have to do is grow up and have lots of money. so until you have both of those things accomplished, just sit back and relax singh saab ji', to the extent that, if a) it is a vision of the future coming to him, it may be Gurujee's Will that he starts acting on it now according to the plan Gurujee has in mind for this vision to be fulfilled in stages, especially if he is a gurmukh and b) ideas do not necessarily need people to wait to grow up and have lots of money and in the meantime just chillax. Ideas, if one is serious about them and finds in his/her initial assessment that they(these ideas) are not misguided, but, humane, absolutely beneficial to progress and peace and unity, as well as do not involve dark forces, or the impingement, violation and intrusion upon others human rights, fit in with, and are important and even crucial according to the that person's religous, moral, and personal agenda upon which such a person operates, at any age, do require planning and implementation to be seen through. This planning requires some of the steps I have highlighted in my initial response to his question further up, earlier in this discussion, and there are more. If a huge amount of finance is going to be an issue according to the scale and nature of this project , this can be achieved in many more practical ways, than doing what you have suggested, when the time comes to cross that hurdle. Even if it is true that this is a high costing project according to what he has in mind, and he wants to fund personally without borrowings and charity, he has to start strategising right now whatever his age may be. And this brings me to gurdssingh point. Yes God is great and miracles do happen and people do earn lotteries overnight, and become filthy rich without a single A level but a gurmukh does not sit back and wait for that to happen. A gurmukh is a person with a God given vision or mandate, and he/she then through prayer , knowledge and wisdom goes ahead to fulfill that vision/mandate according to the speed and steps required(this in turn adding to his/her store of accumulated experience that is naturally a beneficial byproduct of this process). In addition the very word 'SIKH' encourages us to never indulge in illiteracy of any nature but always have an ambition to be very knowledgable and informed. I noticed that you too started highlighting in the rest of your reply some things he will require etc. Thats exactly why he needs to focus on strategising on what he is studying right now and tweak it to help him fulfill his aim, apart from eternally relying on other's advice so that he is empowered for what he needs to do academically , and this is important when he gets involved in presenting himself and his case further down the road when all this gets nearer to materialising. You mentioned stuff like ''public liability insurance'' etc etc etc thats only one drop in an oceon of regulatory and legislative etc etc aspects of businesses that cover the UK and this is why he needs to srategise on education , not for the sake of acquiring a degree but for the sake of an indepth knowledge which will be provided with plenty of practical experience sandwiched in between, as a call to any university offering sports science will confirm. There are plenty more little points you mentioned in that little imaginative construct or model of a gym you did try to create in your post that I need to comment on and lends itself to a very lengthy but constructive dialogue of great value to this brother, but I am sorry, I am really getting late but before I go, I must add that your point about not needing a license does not take into account regulation in the future, and that the gym industry is dependent on various other criteria and a whole load of other things which is overlooked by local authorities i.e that getting a license is not the end and be all of things that lends itself to any sort of academic complacency etc etc at this or a further stage. You have a Masters as you have mentioned and that may help you probably understand and appreciate what I initially replied to this post at a deeper level after due deliberation. Thank you and I have tried my best to refrain from opinion but shoot a few quick facts as above and I hope they are of value. No offense meant.
  15. dear sall go on bro . do write the essay u mentioned on proactive wen u got sum time to highlight chardiikela for all our benefit here . Thats one real hot topic i like see being discussed on here to charge us all up like lightning.
  16. and to add to what i just said earlier, I really do love you as my brother and am absolutely proud of who you are and do not mistake me as someone trying to put you off. i think its a great idea but its implementation will require a few skills, knowledge, and experience that you will need to acquire academically, physically and otherwide ok. thats all I am trying to make you understand though I have tried to elaborate and highlight what some of these are for your benefit to encourage you to start thinking along those lines and put a plan in action involving short and long term goals to achieve this . I will be more than proud of you if i see all this materialise systematically within the next few years of your life step by step in birmingham a city i strangely and somehow do like hehe as some absolutely beautiful people in my life live there to whom i owe more than you could ever imagine. you have youth, vigour, chardikela and gurujee on your side . all you need is to channel that through some of the ways i mentioned to realise your dreams which very well may be from Gurujee as far as i can smell so far. you are one great guy on this forum which i have observed capable of suddenly exciting and inspiring an older person like me through some of the stuff i have seen you write here according to your age etc. so go ahead and get this project started right from now by taking little steps most of which I have mentioned to make it easier 4 u. all of that was written because i have quite a lot of Guru given experience and knowledge in this field and you are one gurmukh guy and brother i could die for out of my love for you . luv u always my bro . Gurfateh
  17. Only Five, its a singhni . she might not be reading anymore becuz of her circumstances but will be back sooner or latter because no one can conquer he/her whom Guru has made his own! Its a matter of time , the fateh is already in place waiting for the volcano to erupt. I have been in a lot of private with this beautiful human being and I am more than assured through my assessment of the situation she will get through it . This is a blessed gurmukh soul going through a lot of hurdles instigated by punjabee culture clashing violently with Sikhi
  18. Whether or not it is sewa , the points I have mentioned are very relevant and important especially if you are in the UK unless you are talking about a tiny private gym for your mates in your backyard. This is because activities like this have many regulatory and legal implications when run at a larger, more visible level, involving people beyond your few mates and family, whether at a charitable or corporate level, especially as they seem to involve a wider community of people that may or may not be related to you beyond your personal extended family by blood ties, from what you have implied, from a point of law and regulation. Sorry if all of this seems technical but we are talking about a 1st world country i.e UK where no one can just get up and do whatever they like in terms of activities that have implications in more ways than you can imagine that involve space and human life. Your higher education as you go through university through most present day courses will slowly make you realise the worth of what I am stating. Further to that, to do even sewa one needs to be equipped. If i cannot type, I couldnt possibly be sitting at my computer trying to help you out on here. If I do not know how to make dall , i cannot be in charge of dall making operations in a gurudwara. Sewa requires knowledge. Running a gym charitably is a beautiful sewa and I wish I was rich enough to do that myself but it involves many costs that sports science will teach you in depth. Likewise, it involves an indepth knowledge of human anatomy and physiology, and an indepth knowledge of how to operate and instruct in the use of specific equipment targeted at various parts of the human body with a range of aims in mind. It involves an understanding of all the complex regulatory requirements in public safety at your venue, the legal framework behind all of this, as well as an understanding of relevant health and safety issues. The list goes on, and no city council in UK is ever going to entertain any request from you unless you show proof of academic knowledge of this backed by relevant qualifications. That is the bare minimum I have just stated and it gets even more complex but this you will pick up at uni. Hence you have 3 choices right before you. Either be some wealthy guy doing other things in life, with a huge stash of unneeded cash so you can employ someone to organise this entire operation on your behalf for which you will need be prepared to cost some high salaries funded by you, as it involves management level personnel as well as specifically trained professional gym instructors that are compulsory in a public gym. The drawback in this is, if you know nuts about the academia behind this operation, you will be eternally reliant on people totally managing and running things on your behalf , as it an activity top on the public safety agenda of the goverment. The second choice is to study and do what you wana do in life, but on the side or part time, get all the qualifications i have mentioned and more, so you can take personal responsibility and be the person that gets granted the permission, as well as understand easily whats happening at your venue, and manage it as an independently operated operation overseen by you with due diligence. The third is to make this your main thing in life, do exactly what I have said, get it running and make it a sewa that does involve a small cost on the users part so your personal costs in life can be funded. I hope my advice throws more light
  19. Thats not childish! Thats a fantastic business idea and I am a businessman aged 51 and I can tell you that this idea is connected to the shape of things to come in UK, economically, and especially in the area of future urban physical well being. You have asked a few questions as to how to do it . Well, let me reply to all those questions in a nutshell. You need to start taking up subjects like business and accounting, as well as sports science at Gcse and A levels from now as well as other certificates in '' trainers trainer'' course in outdoor sports like rock climbing, kayaking and mountain climbing other than gymnastics to introduce you the the umbrella holding all these interrelated things together . Do that, then choose a university where you do a degree( till Masters if you can), in sports science and also take option modules in business , marketing and accounting, as well as options in the legal and regulatory aspects of sports business. Make sure you are taking up subjects like web design and comp networking right now too. This is the launching pad you need before you can even dream of owning a gym. Once you have done that come back here in 3 or 4 years with a Masters in sports science and I can guide you very systematically as to how to raise the finance you need to buy, set up, market and operate a gym and fill in the gaps you may need in your knowledge about these things so u can start rightaway after your Masters.
  20. Do agree with sall. Knowledge facilitates power when channeled and acted upon correctly. But which knowledge? Kitabee gyan i.e read up stuff is a limited knowlege with a limited potential. Real knowledge comes through amritvela simran and all the rest of the Sikhi choice lifestyle as Guru manifests within and gives us dribh drishtee i.e the inner eye to behold the reality behind all that we can see and beyond, with our naked eye and raw mind. Knowledge accumulated otherwise is good and important i.e like getting a PHD in politics and learning how to conquer but it has its latent defects as it can cause and flourish ego within which acts as an in dwelling and secret, slow killing parasite,...and an existence slaved and trapped within the 3 gunas. Power generated from such knowledge is what made Aurangzeb think India could be made all Muslim and that killing 4 sahibzadas would eradicate Sikhism. Guru Gobind Singh in Zafarnama alerts Aurangzeb that there are powers and forces beyond his acquired thinking that will shape things in time, in ways beyond the horizon of the little vision generated by that which he knew and wanted, which had been the driving force determining the structure of the agenda upon which he had been acting! Gurmat drishtee gyan is an amazing, startling, shocking occurrence and experience when it starts to activate and manifest within any Gurmukh. It propels one to synchronise with the will and workings of God past, present and future. One starts to see the shape of things to come and what is his role and function in this new emerging order and gains an insight as to how to activate it to release the power thus generated that is better than the worst explosion you can imagine in the entire universe. . Now this is true empowerment and you smell this heavily when you read the writings of Bhai Vir Singh and Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh and other illuminated gursikhs of past and present, not to mention our Granths like SGGS and DSGGS which express this in a trillion more clearer and variant ways, that when comprehended by the right eye, can result in an instant explosion of unbearable , unstoppable tears and crying, which is even the founding root of gurmat gyan ras which is a topic for another discussion elsewhere and another time.
  21. The force of ardas can shake this universe. ardas shall be done. victory is yours.
  22. I can only speak frm my experience in such kind of matters. Do not be rushed into anything, leave alone mariage without due deliberation and guidance from God in a clear manner. Relationships, marriages and friendships cannot be arranged, they are gained and earned through trust that is allowed to take its time to sprout and grow between people. Someone has to be given time and sussed out if they make true loyal friends worthy of your time, space and committment. Married partners before and after marriage, have to be 2 very true and close symbiotically supporting friends before they are partners. Always focus on a true friendship even if that person is your marital partner. Always place the friendship way ahead all the sex , love etc. This ought to be your train of thought and direction you are taking rather than focussing on a few things told here and there in some match making process. Even if this girl is ultimately an honest person who has been pushed into a situation of telling a fib and living in it according to some silly cultural norms of impressing you or immigration pressures , you still need to be sure that person is someone who can be a true friend and whom you really fancy , trust and will support you as well as progress in her own life. Hence you really need to push away engagements and marriages for another couple of years even if you find yourself some how curiously attracted to this person. Get talking . Buy time, and create a time space to talk and observe the inner workings of this person , her mindset, her goals, her ambitions. what makes her tick, what kind of pressure she faces , her religous life, her emotional stability, the way she responds, interacts and reacts . Provoke and observe, say kind things and observe, ask and observe. A gurmukh is an observer. A gurmukh silently observes like a spy and susses out between reality and falsehood. Punjabee culture pushes 2 people into a marital union commonly through manipulative match making processes, the result of which is unpredictable. Sikhism however focusses on friendship to lead to deeper higher level involvements , whether you are talking about God , mates, wives , husbands or casual friends. Gurbani gives us space to even just start a little friendship with God Almighty and then get involved with God and Guru step by step till you ultimately get married to Guru through Amrit . The same rule applies to all other forms of relationships and friendships at all levels. It is not just punjabee culture, even western culture is a trap. Guy and girl pull each other whilst half drunk at a club , have frentic sex the same night and next morning proclaim they are now become an item i.e a couple. It hardly ever works. There was no friendship. AS the days roll by they discover they have little in common , different outlooks etc and within weeks they have split. Hence, approach this the Sikhism way and you will be safe. Muscle around your family to buy time if you do want to give it a go . Proclaim a 2 year deadline before you say yes and no . Then do the talking and observation on and off. If the elders are not agreeable to this then call it off and be wiser the next time. Gurujee knows your needs and can bring them to you on a plate at a time of His choosing so do not get worried and stressed if this does not work out with this girl. This girl is a symbol of a bigger question in your life i.e what is true reality and what does it expect from you, if you want to be guided by it in your life. Only you can create a desire within yourself through God's grace to have the eyes of a gurmukh to behold truth when seen and embrace it, and shun falsehood wen you smell it a mile away.
  23. wow u guys are fast! by the time i tried to extend my help in typed form(I type very slow ) and posted it, wah wah so many exciting, rich, wise replies already here i have just read after posting hehe . Superduper has had no time to digest it yet i suppose! help comes fast wen u get on Sikhsangat faster than you can take it hehe. Anyway, i have been reminiscing sal's last point. I like to add that the 'human '' experience can mean one thing to a manmukh and one thing to a gurmukh. A manmukh sees the human experience as a possibly one off oppurtunity that seems to appear everlasting to be successful in this world materialistically no matter what it takes , whereby the end can justify the mean. And when this oppurtunity appears or starts to diminish, it lends itself to one's depression and sense of lack of self worth and can propel one into a sad miserable emotional , physical and mental state. However a gurmukh with a laser and raser sharp vision of reality, sees the human experience as a one off oppurtunity that can pop off any second, to quickly surrender to the spirit of God and be forever released from the cycle of births and deaths, and become a water droplet dissapperaring into the unseen eternal Oceon of Joy.
  24. Everyone's giving fantastic ideas here how to move be sant sipahees again and its inspiring . I hope all of us reading this will be in one way or other work on some of the ideas here in ways possible according to our individual situations to bring about a revival. I want to quickly touch on a cple of points shastr and sall made further up this dialogue about puratan mentality and being proactive. Puratan mentality should refer to that which brings life when touched, kissed, drank and embraced dearly, which was what our Gurus gave us in human form and then through Shree Guru Granth Sahib . Puratan Sikhs understood this but there is nothing puratan about it, if puratan merely means old wine in new bottles. . Sikhi is an ever living Eternal Force with nothing puratan about it. It does not need reinvention, neither revisiting, it just needs to be engaged by successive generations, some of which may have been, are , and will be more successful in this endeavour than others.As to the the other point of being proactive, proactive can mean just more than a refrain from reaction but is rather best xpressed through an effort by every Khalsa generation to behold and activate the vision, the image, the form, the challenges, the Will of God and Guru for it, as Sikhi spreads through the entire universe like an oak tree sprouting from a seedling.
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