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Hi, I was just browsing wikipedia and see knowledge on Dasam Granth as not upto mark. Kindly someone having full knowledge update the pages. I found these lines. I dont think all lines are from dasam granth if i am wrong kindly correct me. The following lines are from wikipedia. [edit] Quotes from Dasam Granth [edit] Condemnation of the concept in Hindu theology that God takes various incarnations ਕਿਤੇ ਕਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਉਪਾਏ, ਉਸਾਰੇ ਗੜੇ ਫਿਰ ਮੇਟੇ ਬਨਾਏ॥ He hath Created millions of Krishnas like worms. He Created them, annihilated them, again destroyed them, still again Created them. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਕਿਤੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਸੇ ਕੀਟ ਕੋਟੈ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਕਿਤੇ ਰਾਮ ਸੇ ਮੇਟਿ ਡਾਰੇ ਉਪਾਏ ॥ Somewhere He hath created millions of servants like Krishna. Somewhere He hath effaced and then created (many) like Rama. (pg.98) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਉਬਾਰ ਨ ਸਕਹੈ ਜਾਕਰ ਨਾਮ ਰਟੈ ਹੈ॥ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਰੁਦ੍ਰ ਸੂਰਹ ਸਸਿ ਤੇ ਬਸਿ ਕਾਲ ਸਭੈ ਹੈ ॥੧ (ਸ. ਹਜਾਰੇ) Ram and Rahim whose names you are uttering cant save you. Brahma, Vishnu Shiva, Sun and Moon, all are subject to the power of Death.1. .(pg.1349) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਕਹੈਂ ਮਤ ਏਕ ਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ॥ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਸਭੈ ਬਹੁ ਭੇਦ ਕਹੈਂ ਹਮ ਏਕਨ ਜਾਨਯੋ॥ ਪਾਂਇ ਗਹੇ ਜਬ ਤੇ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਤਬ ਤੇ ਕੋਊ ਆਂਖ ਤਰੇ ਨਹੀ ਆਨਯੋ ॥ (ਰਾਮਾਵਤਾਰ) O God ! the day when I caught hold of your feet, I do not bring anyone else under my sight; none other is liked by me now; the Puranas and the Quran try to know Thee by the names of Ram and Rahim and talk about you through several stories, but I do not accept these -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਜਾਕਰ ਰੂਪ ਰੰਗ ਨਹਿ ਜਨਿਯਤ ਸੋ ਕਿਮ ਸਯਾਮ ਕਹੈ ਹੈ॥ (ਸਬਦ ਹਜ਼ਾਰੇ ਪਾ.10) He, whose form and colour are not, how can he be called Shyaam (black)? .(p1349) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਕਾਹੂ ਕਹਯੋ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨਾਂ ਕਹੁ ਕਾਹੂ ਮਨੈ ਅਵਤਾਰਨ ਮਾਨਯੋ॥ ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਬਿਸਾਰ ਸਭੈ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਹੀ ਕਉ ਕਰਤਾ ਜੀਅ ਜਾਨਯੋ॥...ਅੰਤ ਮਰੇ ਪਛੁਤਾਇ ਪ੍ਰਿਥੀ ਪਰ, ਜੇ ਜਗ ਮੈ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਕਹਾਏ॥(33 ਸਵੈਯੇ) Someone calls Him Ram or Krishna and someone believes in His incarnations, but my mind has forsaken all useless actions and has accepted only One Creator.12. (p.1352) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਕਾਲ ਹੀ ਪਾਇ ਭਇਓ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਗਹਿ ਦੰਡ ਕਮੰਡਲ ਭੂਮ ਭ੍ਰਮਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਹੀ ਪਾਇ ਸਦਾ ਸ਼ਿਵਜੂ ਸਭ ਦੇਸ ਬਿਦੇਸ ਭਇਆ ਹਮ ਜਾਨਯੋ ॥ Brahma came into being under the control of time and taking his staff and pot his hand, he wandered on the earth; Shiva was also under the control of time and wandered in various countries far and near; -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਔ ਬਿਸਨ ਜਪੇ ਤੁਹਿ ਕੋਟਿਕ ਰਾਮ ਰਹੀਮ ਭਲੀ ਬਿਧਿ ਧਿਆਯੋ ॥ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਜਪਿਓ ਅਰੁ ਸੰਭੁ ਥਪਿਓ ਤਿਹ ਤੇ ਤੁਹਿ ਕੋ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਨ ਬਚਾਯੋ ॥……..ਤੋਹਿ ਬਚਾਇ ਸਕੈ ਕਹੁ ਕੈਸੇ ਕੈ ਆਪਨ ਘਾਵ ਬਚਾਇ ਨ ਐਹੈ ॥ਕੋਪ ਕਰਾਲ ਕੀ ਪਾਵਕ ਕੁੰਡ ਮੈ ਆਪ ਟੰਗਿਓ ਤਿਮ ਤੋਹਿ ਟੰਗੈਹੈ ॥ Thou hast meditated on millions of Krishnas, Vishnus, Ramas and Rahims. Thou hast recited the name of Brahma and established Shivalingam, even then none could save thee…….They cannot save themselves form the blow of death, how can they protect thee? They are all hanging in the blazing fire of anger, therefore they will cause thy hanging similarly. (pg111) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਮੈ ਨ ਗਨੇਸ਼ਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮ ਮਨਾਊਂ ॥ ਕਿਸ਼ਨ ਬਿਸ਼ਨ ਕਬਹੂੰ ਨਹ ਧਿਆਊਂ ॥ਕਾਨ ਸੁਨੇ ਪਹਿਚਾਨ ਨ ਤਿਨ ਸੋਂ ॥ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਗੀ ਮੋਰੀ ਪਗ ਇਨ ਸੋਂ ॥੪੩੪॥ (ਕ੍ਰਿ.ਵਤਾਰ) I do not adore Ganesha in the beginning and also do not meditate on Krishna and Vishnu; I have only heard about them with my ears and I do not recognize them; my consciousness is absorbed at the feet of the Supreme Lord.434. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਖੋਜ ਰਹੇ ਸ਼ਿਵ ਸੇ ਜਿਹ ਅੰਤ ਅਨੰਤ ਕਹਿਓ ਥਕ ਅੰਤ ਨ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਤਾਹੀ ਕੀ ਬਾਤ ਸੁਨੋ ਤੁਮਰੇ ਮੁਖ ਤੇ ਸੁਕਦੇਵ ਇਹੈ ਠਹਰਾਯੋ ॥੨੪੦੩॥ He, whom Shiva etc. had been searching, but could not know His Mystery; O Shukdev ! relate to me the story of that Lord.2403. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਜੌ ਕਹੌ ਰਾਮ ਅਜੋਨਿ ਅਜੈ ਅਤਿ ਕਾਹੇ ਕੌ ਕੌਸ਼ਲ ਕੁੱਖ ਜਯੋ ਜੂ ॥ ਕਾਲ ਹੂੰ ਕਾਲ ਕਹੈ ਜਿਹਿ ਕੌ ਕਿਹਿ ਕਾਰਣ ਕਾਲ ਤੇ ਦੀਨ ਭਯੋ ਜੂ ॥ If you consider Ram, the Lord as Unborn, then how did he take birth from the womb of Kaushalya? He, who is said to be the destroyer of death, then why did he become subjugated himself before death? ਸੱਤ ਸਰੂਪ ਬਿਬੈਰ ਕਹਾਇ ਸੁ ਕਯੋਂ ਪਥ ਕੌ ਰਥ ਹਾਂਕ ਧਯੋ ਜੂ ॥ ਤਾਹੀ ਕੋ ਮਾਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕਰਿ ਕੈ ਜਿਹ ਕੋ ਕੋਊ ਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਲੇਨ ਲਯੋ ਜੂ ॥੧੩॥ If he (Krishna) is called the Truth-incarnate, beyond enmity and opposition, then why did he become the charioteer of Arjuna? O mind! you only consider him the Lord God, whose Mysetry could not be known to anyone.13. ਕਯੋਂ ਕਹੁ ਕ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਨ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਨਿਧ ਹੈ ਕਿਹ ਕਾਜ ਤੇ ਬੱਧਕ ਬਾਣ ਲਗਾਯੋ ॥ ਅਉਰ ਕੁਲੀਨ ਉਧਾਰਤ ਜੋ ਕਿਹ ਤੇ ਅਪਨੋ ਕੁਲ ਨਾਸੁ ਕਰਾਯੋ ॥ Krishna himself is considered the treasure of Grace, then why did the hunter shot his arrow at him? He has been described as redeeming the clans of others then he caused the destruction of his own clan; ਆਦਿ ਅਜੋਨਿ ਕਹਾਇ ਕਹੋ ਕਿਮ ਦੇਵਕਿ ਕੇ ਜਠਰੰਤਰ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਤਾਤ ਨ ਮਾਤ ਕਹੈ ਜਿਹ ਕੋ ਤਿਹ ਕਯੋਂ ਬਸੁਦੇਵਹਿ ਬਾਪੁ ਕਹਾਯੋ ॥੧੪॥ If he (Krishna) is said to be unborn and without a beginning, then how did he come into the womb of Devaki? He, who is considered without any father or mother, then why did he cause Vasudev to be called his father? 14. ਕਾਹੇ ਕੋ ਏਸ਼ ਮਹੇਸ਼ਹਿ ਭਾਖਤ ਕਾਹਿ ਦਿਜੇਸ਼ ਕੋ ਏਸ ਬਖਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਹੈ ਨ ਰਘ੍ਵੇਸ਼ ਜਦ੍ਵੇਸ਼ ਰਮਾਪਤਿ ਤੈ ਜਿਨ ਕੌ ਬਿਸ੍ਵਨਾਥ ਪਛਾਨਯੋ ॥ Why do you consider Shiva or Brahma as the Lord? There is none amongst Ram, Krishna and Vishnu, who may be considered as the Lord of the Universe by you; ਏਕ ਕੋ ਛਾਡਿ ਅਨੇਕ ਭਜੈ ਸੁਕਦੇਵ ਪਰਾਸਰ ਬਯਾਸ ਝੁਠਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਸਜੇ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਹਮ ਏਕ ਹੀ ਕੌ ਬਿਧ ਨੈਕ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਯੋ ॥੧੫॥ Relinquishing the One Lord, you remember many gods and goddesses; in this way ਕੋਊ ਦਿਜੇਸ਼ ਕੋ ਮਾਨਤ ਹੈ ਅਰੁ ਕੋਊ ਮਹੇਸ਼ ਕੋ ਏਸ਼ ਬਤੈ ਹੈ ॥ ਕੋਊ ਕਹੈ ਬਿਸ਼ਨੋ ਬਿਸ਼ਨਾਇਕ ਜਾਹਿ ਭਜੇ ਅਘ ਓਘ ਕਟੈ ਹੈ ॥ Someone calls Brahma as the Lord-God and someone tells the same thing about Shiva; someone considers Vishnu as the hero of the universe and says that only by remembering him, all the sins will be destroyed; ਬਾਰ ਹਜ਼ਾਰ ਬਿਚਾਰ ਅਰੇ ਜੜ ਅੰਤ ਸਮੈ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਤਜਿ ਜੈ ਹੈ ॥ ਤਾਹੀ ਕੋ ਧਯਾਨ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਿ ਹੀਏ ਜੋਊ ਥੇ ਅਬ ਹੈ ਅਰੁ ਆਗੈ ਊ ਹ੍ਵੈ ਹੈ ॥੧੬॥ O fool ! think about it a thousand times, all of them will leave you at the time of death. Therefore, you should only meditate on Him, who was in the past, is there in the present and will also be there in the future.16. ਕੋਟਕ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਕਰੇ ਜਿਹ ਕੋ ਕਈ ਕੋਟਿ ਉਪਿੰਦ੍ਰ ਬਾਨਇ ਖਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਦਾਨਵ ਦੇਵ ਫਨਿੰਦ੍ਰ ਧਰਾਧਰ ਪੱਛ ਪਸੂ ਨਹਿ ਜਾਤਿ ਗਨਾਯੋ ॥ He, who created millions of Indras and Upendras and then destroyed them; He, who created innumerable gods, demons, Sheshnaga, tortoises, birds, animals etc., ਆਜ ਲਗੇ ਤਪੁ ਸਾਧਤ ਹੈ ਸ਼ਿਵ ਊ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਕਛੁ ਪਾਰ ਨ ਪਾਯੋ ॥ ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਨ ਭੇਦ ਲਖਯੋ ਜਿਹ ਸੋਊ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰ ਮੋਹਿ ਬਤਾਯੋ ॥੧੭॥ And for knowing whose Mystery, Shiva and Brahma are performing austerities even till today, but could not know His end; He is such a Guru, whose Mystery could not be comprehended also by Vedas and Katebs and my Guru has told me the same thing.17. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਬੇਦ ਕਤੇਬ ਨ ਭੇਦ ਲਹਯੋ ਤਿਹਿ ਸਿੱਧ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਸਭੈ ਕਰਿ ਹਾਰੇ ॥ ਸਿੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸ਼ਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਬੇਦ ਸਭੈ ਬਹੁ ਭਾਂਤਿ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਬਿਚਾਰ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ ॥ The Vedas and Ketebs could not comprehend His Mystery and the adepts have been defeated in practicing contemplation; Different kinds of thoughts have been mentioned about God in Vedas, Shastras, Puranas and smrities; (p1351) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਸੋ ਕਿਮ ਮਾਨਸ ਰੂਪ ਕਹਾਏ॥ ਸਿਧ ਸਮਾਧਿ ਸਾਧ ਕਰ ਹਾਰੇ ਕਯੋ੍ ਨ ਦੇਖਨ ਪਾਏ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ (ਸ. ਹਜ਼ਾਰੇ) How can He be said to come in human form? The Siddha (adept) in deep meditation became tired of the discipline on not seeing Him in any way…..Pause. (p.1348) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਸ਼ੇਸ਼ ਸੁਰੇਸ਼ ਗਣੇਸ਼ ਮਹੇਸੁਰ ਗਾਹਿ ਫਿਰੈ ਸ੍ਰੁਤਿ ਥਾਹ ਨ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਰੇ ਮਨ ਮੂੜ ਅਗੂੜ ਇਸੋ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਤੈ ਕਿਹ ਕਾਜਿ ਕਹੋ ਬਿਸਰਾਯੋ ॥ 4॥ 1350 33 ਸਵੈਯੇ Sheshnaga, Indra, Gandesha, Shiva and also the Shrutis (Vedas) could not know Thy Mystery; O my foolish mind! why have you forgotten such a Lord. 4. [edit] Condemnation of Idol Worship ਕਾਹੂ ਲੈ ਪਾਹਨ ਪੂਜ ਧਰਯੋ ਸਿਰ ਕਾਹੂ ਲੈ ਲਿੰਗ ਗਰੇ ਲਟਕਾਇਓ ॥ Someone worships stone and places it on his head. Someone hangs the phallus (lingam) from his neck. .(pg.42) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਕੋਉ ਬੁਤਾਨ ਕੋ ਪੂਜਤ ਹੈ ਪਸੁ ਕੋਉ ਮ੍ਰਿਤਾਨ ਕੋ ਪੂਜਨ ਧਾਇਓ ॥ Some fools worship the idols and some go to worship the dead. (pg.42) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਪਾਇ ਪਰੋ ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਕੇ ਜੜ ਪਾਹਨ ਮੈਂ ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਨਾਹੀ ॥੯੯॥ O fool! Fall at the feet of Lord-God, the Lord is not within the stone-idols.99.(pg.111) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਤੇ ਭੀ ਬਸਿ ਮਮਤਾ ਹੁਇ ਗਏ ॥ ਪਰਮੇਸਰ ਪਾਹਨ ਠਹਿਰਏ ॥੧੩॥ They also were overpowered by ‘mineness’ and exhibited the Lord in statues.13. .(pg.134) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਪਾਹਨ ਪੁਜੈ ਹੈ ਏਕ ਨ ਧਿਐ ਹੈ ਮਤ ਕੇ ਅਧਕ ਅਧੇਰਾ ॥ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਕਹੁ ਤਜਿ ਹੈ ਬਿਖ ਕਹੁ ਭਜਿ ਹੈ ਸਾਝਹਿ ਕਹਹਿ ਸਵੈਰਾ ॥ Worshipping the stones, they will not meditate on One Lord; there will be prevalent the darkness of many sects; Leaving the ambrosia they will desire for poison, and they will name the evening time as early-morning; .(pg.1142) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਤਾਸ ਕਿਉ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਹੀ ਜੋ ਹੋਹਿ ਹੈ ਅਬ ਹੈ ॥ ਨਿਹਫਲ ਕਾਹੇ ਭਜਤ ਪਾਹਨ ਤੋਹਿ ਕਛੁ ਫਲਿ ਦੈ ॥ Why do you not pray to Him, who will be there in future and who is there in the present? You are worshipping the stones uselessly; what will you gain by that worship? (pg. 1289) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਅੱਛਤ ਧੂਪ ਦੀਪ ਅਰਪਤ ਹੈ ਪਾਹਨ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਖੈ ਹੈ ॥ Rice, incense and lamps are offered, but the stones do not eat anything. (pg.1349) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਕਹਾ ਭਇਓ ਜੋ ਅਤ ਹਿਤ ਚਿਤ ਕਰ ਬਹੁ ਬਿਧ ਸਿਲਾ ਪੁਜਾਈ॥ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਥਕਿਓ ਪਾਹਿਨ ਕਹ ਪਰਸਤ ਕਛੁ ਕਰ ਸਿਧਨ ਆਈ॥ਤਾ ਮੈਂ ਕਹਾਂ ਸਿਧ ਹੈ ਰੇ ਜੜ ਤੋਹਿ ਕਛੁ ਬਰ ਦੇਹੈ॥..(ਸਬਦ ਹਜਾਰੇ) Of what use is the worship of the stones with devotion and sincerity in various ways? The hand became tired of touching the stones, because no spiritual power accrued. O fool! where is the spiritual power in them, so that they may bless you with some boon. (pg.1349) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਕਾਹੇ ਕਉ ਪੂਜਤ ਪਾਹਨ ਕਉ ਕਛੁ ਪਾਹਨ ਮੈ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਨਾਹੀ ॥ ਤਾਹੀ ਕੋ ਪੂਜ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕਰਿ ਕੈ ਜਿਹ ਪੂਜਤ ਹੀ ਅਘ ਓਘ ਮਿਟਾਹੀ ॥ Why do you worship stones? Because the Lord-God is not within those stones; you may only worship Him, whose adoration destroys clusters of sins; (pg.1353) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਜੌ ਜੁਗ ਤੈ ਕਰਿ ਹੈ ਤਪਸਾ ਕਛੁ ਤੋਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਸੰਨੁ ਨ ਪਾਹਨ ਕੈ ਹੈ ॥ ਹਾਥ ਉਠਾਇ ਭਲੀ ਬਿਧ ਸੋ ਜੜ ਤੋਹਿ ਕਛੂ ਬਰਦਾਨੁ ਨ ਦੈ ਹੈ ॥ You may even perform the austerities for an age, but these stones will not fulfill your wishes and please you; they will not raise their hands and grant you the boon; (pg.1353) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਫੋਕਟ ਧਰਮ ਭਯੋ ਫਲ ਹੀਨ ਜੁ ਪੂਜ ਸਿਲਾ ਜੁਗਿ ਕੋਟ ਗਵਾਈ ॥ ਸਿੱਧ ਕਹਾ ਸਿਲ ਕੇ ਪਰਸੇ ਬਲ ਬ੍ਰਿੱਧ ਘਟੀ ਨਵਨਿੱਧ ਨ ਪਾਈ ॥ The hollow religion became fruitless and O being! you have lost years and years by worshipping the stones; you will not get power with the worship of stones; the strength and glory will only decrease; (pg.1353) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਪਾਹਨ ਕੋ ਅਸਥਾਲਯ ਕੋ ਸਿਰ ਨਯਾਇ ਫਿਰਯੋ ਕਛੁ ਹਾਥ ਨ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਰੇ ਮਨ ਮੂੜ ਅਗੂੜ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਤਜਿ ਆਪਨ ਹੂੜ ਕਹਾ ਉਰਝਾਯੋ ॥੨੬॥ You had been wandering with bowed head in the temples of stones, but you realized nothing; O foolish mind! you were only entangled in your bad intellect abandoning that Effulgent Lord.26. (pg.1354) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਕਹੂੰ ਲੈ ਠੋਕ ਬਧੇ ਉਰ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਮਹੇਸ਼ ਕੌ ਏਸ ਬਖਾਨਯੋ ॥ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਕਹਯੋ ਹਰਿ ਮੰਦਰ ਮੈ ਹਰਿ ਕਾਹੂੰ ਮਸੀਤ ਕੈ ਬੀਚ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨਯੋ ॥ Someone has tied the stone-idol around his neck and someone has accepted Shiva as the Lord; someone considers the Lord within the temple or the mosque; (p1351) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ਕਿ ਓ ਬੁਤ ਪਰਸਤੰਦੁ ਮਨ ਬੁਤ ਸਿਕਸਤ (ਜ਼ਫਰਨਾਮਹ) They were the idol worshippers, and me the idol destroyer I dont think that many lines are from Dasam Granth. If anyone can see that pages and update evrything there. Regards.

Well bro, I got good news for you. I am leaving this website. So you and your people can talk more crap about monay now. :umm: I am done. I will find a new religious website where I wouldn't feel like an outcast. :lol: @ "Singhs" who keep sending me fake death threats in my mailbox. I will see you cowards on the battlefield. I am just going to call myself a "mona" for now on instead calling myself a "sikh". Anyway, take care, bro. I am out. Peace. Dear Punjabilink; I want to show you the difference between a sikh and patit(Mona). The bani says "wachan kare te khisak jayee, Bole sab kacha|| You have said you are leaving this community and srill posted on coming days, Please give the reply for this, i am still waiting, or this time you have left for sure.

Sat Sri Akal; I am not talking about just putting names of Shaheeds, I hope that we are able to put there details, There life, how they enter movement, there shaheddi etc, whatever we can find about all of them and archieve them. Lots of people will work on WW1 and WW2 shaheeds, but none will work on Sikh shaheeds of Punjab (1980-1995). We have to collect data, so that this generation can know about most of them, This is the least we can do for people who give there life for Sikh movement. Regards.

Sat Sri Akal; Please give your views, Thousands of sikhs died while fighting Police and many will remain unknown; we should pay tribute to them, So what i suggests is we should start a new threas and we start collecting data of all our Shaheeds, whoever finds any new Info should add to this. It will be a tribute to them and more sikhs can know about there Bravery. Please give suggestions. Regards

Sat Sri Akal; As most of the Gursikhs who have some even slight sikhi, were killed in False encounters or are in illegal custody. So only cowards were left in Punjab whose blood had become white, these people cannot teach there children what sikhi is. So next generation comprises most of cowards who are indulged into drugs as Indian govt wants. These people did ot know name of first Guru, are clean shaven, use abusive language and are front runners in all religious functions. This is irony in Punjab. But as there are few Sikhs still in Punjab, the youth in Punjab needs a proper direction, a new leader that can fulfill there spiritual needs and help us to regain our self respect after an initial setbacks in Sikh movement. As in Germany after first world war there was choas, Hitler act as strong leader and take them to new height of glory. What we wants is a leader as Nawab kapoor Singh or Akali Phoola Singh and there are thousands of our beloved Generals. Saradar Bughail singh Fly Kesri Jhanda on Red Fort. So it is only initial setback, Everything is the wish of God, As God never does wrong to anyone, this may appear bad in small frame of time but when we will look into overall scenario in future this will appear as the greatest comeback a race has ever done. Remember second Ghalughara, The sikhs were thought to have suffered greatest loss ever, thousands were massacared by Abdali, but sikhs never loose faith in god, they were always in Chardi kala they say " Tera Bhana Meetha lagey" .It is the true sikhi, to live in wishes of God in every circumstances and accepts everything as the wish of Guru, without any remorse. They were able to defeat Abdali and later establish the strongest rule in world, what was taken away from us by some traitors. To all my brothers never be sad, if we do so it proves we are having a doubt in Guru, Remember everything is wish of our Guru and we should have faith in him. This will all change whenever our Guru wants, just remember it is just a test for Sikhs, and it is our history sikhs give there heads rather than our religion, so all of us would promise to ourselves that we will remain Sikh till there is last breath in our Body. Just never be sad remember it takes just a good leader to change the tide, one good leader and everything will change and that too can only happens when our Guru wants, remember there can be thousands nalwa in our religion just our Guru has to realise him of there duties. Regards I will end as Tere khandene jina de mooh mode oh sanu pher lalakarde ne| Baajan wale baaj nu bhej tatheere pher udarri marde ne|| Waheguru jee da Khalsa| Waheguru jee dee Fateh||

Sat Sri Akal; As most of the Gursikhs who have some even slight sikhi, were killed in False encounters or are in illegal custody. So only cowards were left in Punjab whose blood had become white, these people cannot teach there children what sikhi is. So next generation comprises most of cowards who are indulged into drugs as Indian govt wants. These people did ot know name of first Guru, are clean shaven, use abusive language and are front runners in all religious functions. This is irony in Punjab. But as there are few Sikhs still in Punjab, the youth in Punjab needs a proper direction, a new leader that can fulfill there spiritual needs and help us to regain our self respect after an initial setbacks in Sikh movement. As in Germany after first world war there was choas, Hitler act as strong leader and take them to new height of glory. What we wants is a leader as Nawab kapoor Singh or Akali Phoola Singh and there are thousands of our beloved Generals. Saradar Bughail singh Fly Kesri Jhanda on Red Fort. So it is only initial setback, Everything is the wish of God, As God never does wrong to anyone, this may appear bad in small frame of time but when we will look into overall scenario in future this will appear as the greatest comeback a race has ever done. Remember second Ghalughara, The sikhs were thought to have suffered greatest loss ever, thousands were massacared by Abdali, but sikhs never loose faith in god, they were always in Chardi kala they say " Tera Bhana Meetha lagey" .It is the true sikhi, to live in wishes of God in every circumstances and accepts everything as the wish of Guru, without any remorse. They were able to defeat Abdali and later establish the strongest rule in world, what was taken away from us by some traitors. To all my brothers never be sad, if we do so it proves we are having a doubt in Guru, Remember everything is wish of our Guru and we should have faith in him. This will all change whenever our Guru wants, just remember it is just a test for Sikhs, and it is our history sikhs give there heads rather than our religion, so all of us would promise to ourselves that we will remain Sikh till there is last breath in our Body. Just never be sad remember it takes just a good leader to change the tide, one good leader and everything will change and that too can only happens when our Guru wants, remember there can be thousands nalwa in our religion just our Guru has to realise him of there duties. Regards I will end as Tere khandene jina de mooh mode oh sanu pher lalakarde ne| Baajan wale baaj nu bhej tatheere pher udarri marde ne|| Waheguru jee da Khalsa| Waheguru jee dee Fateh||

Sat Sri Akal; After 1984 most of the Gursikhs were killed and those left are weak people whose Blood remains cold even when our people were massacared in thousands, so what you except, the children of such people will be weak, as there parents have put into them cowardness and never tell them what happens, There are some disgracefull sikhs who made fun of our Shaheeds. But not to worry this is only a small setback, i am also from Punjab and born In those turbulent years. It is the wishes of Guru, noone knows of his wishes, as long as we are strong in sikhi, Sikhi will survive. One Good Leader(not even Political) and we will change this, and can start all over again. I will end as Tere Khande ne jina de mooh moode| Oh saanu pher lalkarde ne|| Baajan wale baaj nu bhej| Tatheere pher udarri marde ne|| Waheguru jee da Khalsa| Waheguru jee de Fate||

Sat Sri Akal; There is no need to worry, as the Gurbani teach us everything is the wish of God. It is just a test and the Gursikhs have to follow the path of our Guru. The weak people could not follow this path, but the Guru is above all and noone knows whenever any person cn return to Sikhi. We see many pictures of Patits becoming Amritdhari sikhs. Who knows there is another nalwa among us, just waiting to realise his destiny from Guru. A single movement can change this all, all we need is a good leader as Nawab Kapoor Singh; Akali Phoola Singh, Hari Singh Nalwa; Jassa singh Ahluwalia; jassa Singh Ramgharia, Jarnail singh. One good leader and all will Change. This is also wish of God. We should never be negative in life or else we are far from our Guru which states that always be in Chardi kala, and everything is wish of God, so never get upset over things done by God, always feel good because God never does wrong to anyone, there can be shot time debacles but these things only make us strong and in overall overview over along period everyone will realise this. If people leave Sikhi it not a is not loss to Sikhi, compared to the loss they have. After the second Ghalughara most of the sikhs were killed, it is a big loss but they come strong. They were positive in life and accepted everything as the wish of God. So never mind it is just a time when Guru is testing us, all of us have to be strong in Sikhi and i will end by saying one good leader and we will have our Raaj. Regards,

Sat Sri Akal; Mona sikhs can be great persons better than most of sikhs but they are no longer sikhs, they have left sikhism by there own wishes. Look into our history there are millions of people who give there heads rather than there sikhism, Bhai Taru Singh. Kesh are integral part of sikh, As said : Kesh guru dee Mohar hai", Keeping Kesh is just the first step, only Gurbani is what converts a sikh to gursikh. A sikh must be free from Kaam,Krodh, lobh etc, everyone knows. So if you are cutting your hair and still considering yourself a sikh it is just an illusion. Just a question for Mona sikh, most people cut hairs for impressing girls, being socially accepted, So called medical reasons and there are thousand excuses, only excuses. So what is your excuse, The truth is you are not strong enough to be considered as a sikh. As said in bani "sawat surat rab dee, bhande bayemann". The Pure form is of God,Dishonest person Destroys it, if you are not honest to God then why do you want to be considered as sikh. Just a question to my Sikh friends why we are trying to be appease the Patit, when they have wishfully rejected our religion, and do not care about teachings of Guru Gobind Singh and consider company of girls better then Guru. We always try to protect them why????????????????? It is better to have few gursikhs in Sikhism then millions of Patits, as we are answerable to only our God. You must admit there is weakness in there character as they give up there religion for wordly things.I am nowhere to judge a sikh and a mona, only saying a person who cuts kesh is not sikh.He may be a good person but not a sikh. And if i hurt any sikh please forgive me and tell me where i am wrong. ate ant wich main raab age ardass kada hain, ke mere bhulle bharavan nu sahi rasta dikhave.

Sat Sri Akal; Why not you use trial software, Jaasc is available for 90 days, Coral Photoshop is for 30 to 45 days Adobe Photoshop is for 30 days Start from older version and then move to newer ones, this way you will use these softwares legally. All these softwares comes in magazine as ThinkDigit which is available at Rs 150, so if you are abroad you can ask any relative in India to send some magazine of Digit. I will try to find some demo software of these companies and send you the link. Regards

Sat sri Akal; I just want to find about population gain in optical fibres.Never mind, i will ask in some other forum.

Flying in airway do not depict anything, just a question if 96000 sikhs were killed in Britain in fake encounters, in which thousands were completely innocent, then wheter there will be no conviction of police personal done fake encounters. If 1984 sikh homicide have occured in America then whether there will be no justice for them. My friend here, have no knowledge of Sikh history or India. Constitution recognises Sikhs as Hindus, as sikh marriage is registered under hindu marriage act. So in India we are 2 level citizens, in Britain we have migrated, but Punjab is the motherland of Sikhs.

Sat Sri Akal; Kesh are integral part of sikh, As said : Kesh guru dee Mohar hai", Keeping Kesh is just the first step, only Gurbani is what converts a sikh to gursikh. A sikh must be free from Kaam,Krodh, lobh etc, everyone knows. So if you are cutting your hair and still considering yourself a sikh it is just an illusion. Just a question for Mona sikh, most people cut hairs for impressing girls, being socially accepted, So called medical reasons and there are thousand excuses, only excuses. So what is your excuse, The truth is you are not strong enough to be considered as a sikh. As said in bani "sawat surat rab dee, bhande bayemann". The Pure form is of God,Dishonest person Destroys it, if you are not honest to God then why do you want to be considered as sikh. Just a question to my Sikh friends why we are trying to be appease the Patit, when they have wishfully rejected our religion, and do not care about teachings of Guru Gobind Singh and consider company of girls better then Guru. We always try to protect them why????????????????? It is better to have few gursikhs in Sikhism then millions of Patits, as we are answerable to only our God. ate ant wich main raab age ardass kada hain, ke mere bhulle bharavan nu sahi rasta dikhave.

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