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vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh dear sangat ji Please watch out for this cult, they have always been propped up the agents against Sikhs from 84 onwards, this snake went into hiding now it resurfaces. Guess the snake and his chelas will go the same way as his poor dad and his leaches. this is a cult nothing but the Singh’s who did the sewa followed them for 6 months plus in the 80's the sangat was well aware of the abuse of families this cult leader did. They use the Dastar and Sikhi surp for the disgusting purposes i cud go on and list the crimes they have committed, but am sure the army of Akaal Purak will deal with them. i had a chat with one of his chealas before too, At least Darshan Das remained resolute till the end. Having received death threats for voicing anti Khalistani sentiments, he laughed and accepted death A leader, incidentally, who greets his assassins with ‘ah bhai sajanah, kar joh toohn kar’n aiha’ (come my friends come, do what you have come to do). Both off these above statements are lies like his fake guru, ive got the tapes off the day mate  what a joker darshan dassie dnt not accept death when the Gursikhs put this dog out off his misery on the 11 nov 1987 he craped himself look at the pics in the des pardes he did a number 2 in his boxers lol Fact one ive listened to the actual tape of the killing u hear him screaming as well as the leaches that were with him who to got a one way ticket to hell. This cult destroyed families across the uk, he was just a pharkandi like the other fake gurus, he thought the singhs in the uk wont do anything but bark at him, but alas 2 gursikhs couldn’t stand for the ninda of Guru ji and brought this pharkandi to his knees. there was an article about the 2 singhs Bhai Sahib Manjit Singh and Bhai Sahib Rajinder Singh who tell the story how they followed this phankandi for 6 months looking at his evil ways and his black magic. They took full responsibility and didn’t once deny or regret his putting down. the singh's got 20 and 30 years they write in the punjabi press they are such amazing gursikhs i will get their life story for the sangat. one more benti can we all do ardas for the gursikhs still in jail and one jaikara for Bhai Jagtar Singh hawara and the great escapees AKAAAAL sukdev singh akaal deg tegh degh never forget 84

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh Shaheed Bhai Roshan Lal Bairagi was a freedom figther that served in the KCF under the command of Shaheed General Labh Singh Ji, Bhai Sahib ji was arrestted some time in 1987 i will look up the dates later, ive got a pic of bhai sahib some where. he was later tortured to death in tihar jail in new delhi, his singhni was arrestted with him, last i heard of her she was in prision with the wife of the present General of the KCF Bhai Parmjit Singh Panjwar, later General Panjwars singhni and Bhai Roshan Lal Bairagi singhni was released. Its a shame we can keep our history off these great souls alive. we lost a lot of great souls worse still we have forgotten them. Bhai Harjinder Singh Jindas mata ji has meet both singhnias. may Guru ji bless with the strength to up hold the values of the Shaheeds akaaal vaheguru

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh hey sikhi week is kicking down here, please try to come down to the last few days, plus north sikhi weeks starts too. admin can we have our london sikhi week as a sticky too please chardi kala vaheguru

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh the dhust was killed at a school in southall, dormerswells school i think, he used to have his shows there, theres a actual audio recording of the killing :lol: u can hear his chela scream. hopefully one day we can get the info on here this cult is still out and about to beware dhan those Gursikh who gave everything to their Guru ji akaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal papi ko dand dioo plus please say an ardas for all those sikhs that laid down their lives in World War 1 and World War 2 and other countless battles vaheguru

Today the 11th November 1987 Bhai Sahib Manjit Singh and Bhai Sahib Rajinder Singh brought a pakhandi ‘guru’ darshan dassi to book and pumped their bullets into him. This person had openly challenged Guru ji and made himself into the reincarnation of Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaaj, during the troubled times of the 80’s this cult was in the fore front off supporting the attacks on Sikhs by the Indian gov. He openly used to oppose shaheedi divas and in his cult HQ used to abuse Guru ji innocent families and bibia. Bhai Sahib Manjit Singh and Bhai Sahib Rajinder Singh 2 Gursikhs of the highest calibre took on the task handed to them by Guru ji and followed this cult for over 6 months watching what he did and then on the 11th Nov 1987 challenged this pervert in his darbar and put out the misery off thousands of innocent families. These 2 Gursikhs are soo chardi kala they have not changed one bit. They could easily say sorry and come out off prison. They are serving 20 and 30 years each. The Panths jewels who gave their youthfulness for Guru ji may be in prison but they are freer than we are. Please every one do Parth and Ardas for the Chardi Kala of these Gursikhs and the other jewels of the panth and their families. vaheguru AKAAAL

bump everyone get ready for to pay respects to our shaheeds akaal see u there we coming up from southall :lol:

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh dear sangat ji please spread the word about the vigil, its going to be one way to remember our beloved shaheeds. 21 years off horror is still in our minds, the families who lost their loved ones still roam the streets wondering what the hell happened in a socalled free India. Its our duty to honour and keep the flame burning FREEDOMMMMMMMMMMMMM We have lost sons, brothers, husbands, fathers, we have seen them burned alive in front of our eyes. Do we not have the right to mourn? Do we not have the right to want justice?1 Candlelight Remembrance Vigil for those who were massacred 21 years ago, to be held on tuesday 8th of november 3.30pm - 7pm at Victoria Square To keep silent to an injustice is a crime To keep quiet is a sin We must speak until our lips are sown We must speak until our tongues are cut Speak against the injustice So that history can be witness that even in this selfish world there were some people who put their lives on the line Whose souls were alive and Whose conscience was not dead.

vaheguru can admin please make this into a sticky or is this event not worthy???? sikhi week starts 2morrow akaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal “The ONE” Aston University Weds 2nd Nov 2-5pm. To kick start the week, a great spiritual professor, Bhai Vir Jee, will be leading a discussion on Guru Nanak Dev Jee, the founder of the Sikh faith and the inspiration behind this year’s Sikhi Week. Make sure your there to experience an enlightening encounter of a unique kind!

admin how about putting this event on the sticky bit?? second time asking or any one can u get a massage to them pls starts this week

bump what about a sticky 4 this 2

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh can admins make this a sticky pls sounds like a packed week with loads of sewa to do, please if ur free go to talks and help out hope it goes well

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh singh i think u are on about the booklet done by the Medical foundation for the victims of torture, it was done a few years back. do a search on here or the web am sure the pics are on the web. it showed the torture methods of the panjab police dogs and it was a study on sikh refugees coming to the uk and why there case where not taken seriously by the british govt take care vaheguru

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh Candle Light Remembrance Vigil 3.30pm to 7.30 pm – 8th November 2005 - Victoria Square, Birmingham, UK Plea to the Sikh Youth : Unite and Remember on Wed 8th November 2005 "Victims speak of mobs led by notoriously unruly youth congress activists armed with voters lists from which Sikh homes and businesses could be identified. How did kerosene materialise so effectively? Why did the police declare open season on Sikhs?" (Daily Telegraph, Nov 1984) Sangat Jee, The week commencing Monday 1st November marks the 21st anniversary of one of the most ruthless and bloody chapters in Sikh history, when the mirage of Indian secularism and democracy was exposed and Sikhs suffered state orchestrated brutality across the country. In the hours that followed the assassination of Indira Gandhi, by her Sikh bodyguards (Beant Singh and Satwant Singh), on 31st October 1984, her son Rajiv Gandhi instructed the powers that be to "teach these bastards (the Sikhs) a lesson". The state run media vilified Sikhs, broadcasting proactive slogans such as "khoon ka badla khoon" (blood for blood), and spreading fake rumours e.g. Sikhs had poisoned Delhi's water supply and that trains from Punjab were arriving with dead Hindus on board. What followed was the systematic and co-ordinated massacre of Sikhs, not only in Delhi but also in Uttar Pardesh, Haryana, Binar and Kanur amongst others. The attacks followed a chilling pattern. Local politicians from the ruling Congress party mobilised mobs of Hindu youths and armed them with swords, iron rods, knives, clubs and combustible material, particularly kerosene. Using electoral lists and ration shop records, the Congress party leaders guided the mobs to Sikh homes and businesses, moving from one district to another in jeeps to personally supervise the murder and rape of Sikh men and women. (This is just a glimpse of the atrocities that occurred, for more, go to www.witness84.com, www.carnage84.com ) Two of the Congress Party politicians implicated by eyewitnesses were Sajjan Kumar and Jagdish Tytler. You will not be surprised to learn that neither has ever been successfully prosecuted, as attempts to do so have either collapsed as a result of witness intimidation or been locked in the judicial process. Lawyers in India are trying to bring Kumar and Tytler and many others to account for their actions, but their quest for justice faces immeasurable obstacles as attempts to commence legal proceedings get wrapped in red tape. We must also show that we have not forgotten, and that we too will continue to demand that these criminals Kumar and Tytler and co are brought to justice. The Sikh youth of the region will congregate at Victoria Square in Birmingham City Centre on Wednesday 8th November, from 3.30pm to 7.30pm to raise awareness amongst the wider community as to the injustice and suffering endured by Sikhs in their 'homeland'. Speakers including British MPs will be invited to show their support. Above all, however, your support is required. Spread the word and let us ensure there is an overwhelming attendance on 8th November, just as there was at Hyde Park in June. Very few of our gurdwaras have chosen to organise programmes in remembrance of these events, so it is up to the Sikh youth to seize the initiative. In the same way that the attacks on Sikhs were indiscriminate, regardless of caste, wealth, social status and irrespective of whether they were practicing or not, each and everyone of us, whether amritdhari or not, should feel the pain that still haunts many of our brothers and sisters in India every day. Show your support on 8th Nov. For more details contact sikhthetruth@yahoo.co.uk

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh every one knows the need off the hour is an Independent state ie Khalsa Raaj Khalistan what ever u want to call it. PPL argue over the numbers that support the concept of Khalistan etc Khalsa is not about the numbers game or about what ppl think its about TRUTH & JUSTICE. Ask the singhs and singhni that fought they did not wage war on Hindia for dr chahuan or dr sohan they obeyed the Hukam of Sri Akaal Takhat Sahib as indorsed by the Sarbat Khalsa 26th January 1986. There’s a Hukamnama to wage war on hindia that’s good enuf for me I do not need an election or sum big wig writer to tell me what to do the Shaheeds have laid the foundations and the next generation with lay down their life’s for that Hukamnama. Ppl who oppose the idea of khalistan forget that it was the blood off those Gursikhs that turned the tied and Sikhs in the west and hindia turned to Guru ji and we became AWARE of what Sikhi is so if it was not for the shaheedias I wouldn’t be here. Ppl who oppose the demand just don’t become stones in the way of the ppl fighting for it. Get on with ur individual life’s as the ones wanting it want it for the Panth. our day will come gur bar akaal sukdev

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh the writer of the post must have been sooooooooo <Edited> that he saw a totally different fight. dnt worry the TRUTH is that u lot a creating anti sikhi parchar every where and u get beats every where u go. the account of what happened at the Damdami Taksaal Gurdwara by ppl from the nangs who were high on drugs other wise they wud not dare fight with that singh who they attacked about 8 of them. dont worry Nang Gajjan u mates will be coming home soon home sweet home <_< sangat ji these ppl just love the attention but as veer amritpal singh has totally blasted them and they are running headless nearly like bal

bhai inderjit singh didnot admit to making the bomb tht blow away the air india plane he admitted to making a bomb that was to be used in panjab, typical replys we get u canot win. but at least ppl will think twice before they condem the sikhs

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh i think the international community should now go for the indian agents that did this act. we should press for a investigation into the role of India in this as they have committed gross violations in Punjab and abroad.. It is well known that the two governments colluded with each other to frame the sikh community. Am so glad to Vaheguru that the stain on the International Sikh community will be wiped clean. Guru jis beant kirpa on the Singhs and their families what they must have gone through yet STAYED TRUE TOGURU JI Dhan dhan those Gursikhs Let use this as a stepping stone to unearth the untold misery the sikh community has gone through and bring justice to the victims Hopefully the Canadians will investigate the Shaheedi of Bhai Talwinder Singh ji a citizen of their country who was killed in cold blood and bring those police officials to book GUR BAR AKAAAL sukdev

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh May guru ji bless all those Gursikhs who have not given a platform to these uk nangs to spread their distorted and hurtful views. A lot off damage has been done in the last 5 years by these ppl now some are trying to distance themselves away but the damage has been done <_< ive spoken to soo many but one thing they don’t seem to get it the hurt that these nangs (niddar and co) are doing they seem to have an individual look to life not a collective as in Panth. am sure after their latest outburst and slander of Baba Thakur Singh Ji and other Gursikhs the line has been drawn and there’s no turning back. Am sure gursikhs all over the world especially at Metha have been told about the false and slander that niddar has done may Guru ji give him a fitting reply what Guru ji gives his nindaks :wub: Hopefully the Uk sangat will have info ready to combat uk nangs propaganda plus we will need help from veeji amritpal singh and veer bikramjit singh may guru ji bless u with more kirpa and gian. truth will win at the end and we all will have to pay for what role we had played. Gur Bar Akaal

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh soon there will be videos off the socalled dastar bandi of ram singh at tracey USA and of ram singh asking for forgiveness from Baba ji STATING that he NEVER called himself the 15th Jathadar off the Taksaal. how come if ram singh got dastar in 2003 he then got another dastar bandi when Baba ji went to Sachkand?? wow he got 2 dastarbandi?? bit weired????? Baba Ji has stated this when he was here with us that Sant Ji is the 14th Jathadar and no one can claim the Dastar of the Taksaal. ram singh calls himself 15th Jathadar and says Sant Ji is shaheed totally going against Baba jis Hukam. once ppl have seen the videos then hopefully all this debate will end and those ppl who have fallen for the lies of ram singh will go and see him and give him a few chitter sukdev

`We will spill our last drop of blood and to the last man we will fight for Khalistan.' The immortal words of Shaheed Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochahal Jathadar Sri Akal Takhat Sahib General of Bhindranwala Tiger Force of Khalistan (B.T.F.K) Baba ji’s 12th Shaheedi anniversary falling on February 28 :umm: The history of the Sikh nation is filled with sacrifices and whenever the rulers of India or any invader has tried to finish the Sikhs by oppression the Khalsa Panth has retaliated by bringing the oppressor to justice . In recent times the Indian authorities have been trying to eliminate not only the Sikh people but also those belonging to other minorities in India by persecution and genocide. Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale awakened a sleeping nation and invited the Sikhs to raise their voices against the tyrant rulers. In this struggle to defend the Sikh nation thousands of brave Sikhs have received martyrdom and one of these is Baba Gurbachan Singh Manochahal who was one of the greatest leaders of the present struggle. In the district of Amritsar, Tehsil Taran Taran there is a village known as Manochahal. In this village Mata Gurmej Kaur the wife of Atma Singh gave birth to Gurbachan Singh Manochahal in 1954. After having passed his metric exams his father wanted him to work on the family land but Baba Manochahal had no interest in this. So he joined the army as a surveyor. While in the army he felt an awakening for Sikhi and his consciousness led him towards the essence of Guru Ji's teachings. After four years service in the army he decided to leave and went to live at his maternal grandfather's house to look after their land because they were in a foreign country. It was here that Baba Manochahal became a Granthi (priest) at Baba Dhanna Gurudwara. Whilst he was staying here Sant Kartar Singh Khalsa Bhindranwale came to give Amrit Sanchar and to do parchar. Baba Manochahal was so influenced by Sant Ji's he utterances that he became a firm believer in Sant's message. After this initial meeting Baba Manochahal stayed at the headquarters of Damdami Taksal at Mehta on many occasions. In 1978 a group calling themselves Sant Nirankaris organised a convention in Amritsar on April l3th, the Birthday of the Khalsa. The so-called Nirankaris backed by the Congress Party were under the leadership of one Gurbachan `Singh' who had claimed himself to be a prophet and incarnation of Guru Nanak Dev ji. At the gathering the Nirankaris mocked the Sikh faith and insulted the Sri Guru- Granth Sahib Ji. On hearing this Sant Bhindranwale sent a group of devote sikhs under the leadership,of Bhai Fauja Singh to hold a peaceful protest march to the place where the socalled Nirankaris were gathering. However the Nirankaris and the police fired upon the Sikhs resulting in the martyrdom of 13 Sikhs and 80 were further injured including Baba Manochahal who was shot in the arm. In 1982 The Sikh Freedom Fighters shot Lala Jagat Narain the editor of the Hind Samachar newspaper which was writing derogatory; remarks directed against the Sikh religion. In connection with this case a warrant was issued for Sant Bhindranwale and in order to arrest him raids were made in Chando Kalan (Haryana) and Bombay. Baba Manochahal was with Sant Bhindranwale during this time and they managed to reach Mehta Chowk. At Mehta Chowk Sant Bhindranwala peacefully courted arrest. After the arrest the police without any reason shot 22 Sikhs dead and wounded many more. Unable to falsely find Sant Bhindranwale guilty the Brahmin Government was forced to release him. On being released Sant Bhindranwale went straight to the Darbar Sahib and started the `Dharam Yudh' morcha. .. In June 1984 the Indian rulers attacked the Darbar Sahib resulting in thousands of innocent men, women and children being butchered. After this incident and the atrocities generally being committed against the Sikhs Baba Manochahal decided to fight in the armed struggle. His first action was in his own village where he shot and killed a soldier after which he absconded . The police in order to force Baba Manochahal to give himself up took from his maternal grandparents home their jeep, motorcycle, tractor and then burnt their crops. They also started to harass his family, which included violence . At Manochahal village the Punjab police and the CRP surrounded Baba Manochahal and an encounter ensued in which Inspector Bhupinder Singh and many other police officers were killed. Baba Manochahal broke through the police cordon and escaped. By 1986 Baba Ji had 9 encounters with the army and police and always broke through their cordons and escaped. On the 26 July 1986 a Sarbat Khalsa was called at the Akal Takhat which the Punj ab police tried to prevent by blocking and barricading all the roads leading to Darbar Sahib. A five member Panthic Committee was established to over look the affairs of the Sikh Nation and Baba Manochahal was chosen as one of the five. On the 29th April 1986 the Panthic Committee declared that the Sikhs would struggle for the establishment of an independent Sikh state `Khalistan' . The Akali Government led by Barnala sent the army into Sri Harmandir Sahib resulting in hundreds of arrests including that of the acting Jathadar of Sri Akal Takhat Sahib Bhai Gurdev Singh Kaonke. The Panthic Committee elected Baba Manochahal to replace Bhai Koanke as Jathadar. As Jathadar Baba Manochahal stood firm on the demand for Khalistan and kept the high traditions and morals of Akali Phula Singh Ji. In order to quicken the struggle for Khalistan Baba Manochahal founded the Bhindranwala Tiger force of Khalistan which in a very short time spread its operations throughout Punjab, Delhi and other surrounding states. Baba Manochahal had many encounters with the Indian police and after causing havoc he managed to escape. For instance in village Vrana he along with his companions Dr Resham Singh and Bhai Buta Singh had an encounter with the police in which they inflicted terror and death. The police commander in charge was Mohammad Izhar Alam and he had his men surround the area. The encounter lasted for 7 hours and Bhai Buta Singh received martyrdom but Baba Manochahal along with Dr Resham Singh managed to escape. The Indian Government once again attacked the Darbar Sahib in operation Black Thunder in which many of Baba Manochahal's companions received martyrdom including Lt General Bhai Surjit Singh Penta and Lt General Bhai Karj Singh Thanda . Baba Manochahal's greatest encounter with the police was in village Rotal which lasted 56 hours. In this encounter the police, CRP and the army were involved and in the battle there was a heavy loss on the enemy. The BTF lost Lieutenant General Lakhwinder Singh and four other freedom fighters who became Shaheeds fighting for the Sikh Nation. Once again Baba Manochahal escaped from the clutches of the police. Being unsuccessful in capturing Baba Manochahal the police turned their attention to his family. His father Atma Singh and his brother Tarlochan Singh who had deserted the army after operation Blue Star were arrested. After spending six years in jail they were released. Baba Manochahal's wife and son along with his other brothers Nirvair Singh who was working as a farmer and Ninder Singh who was working for the electricity board were arrested. The police later killed Baba Manochahal's father Atma Singh and brother Nirvair Singh in a fake encounter. The rest of the family if they have not been killed by the police are still being harassed and tortured today. Due to Baba Manochahal's military training and his own intelligence he survived in the thick of the battle against the brahmin regime for 15 years. He stayed true to the Khalsa spirit and showed what can be achieved in a short space of time by following the teachings of the Gurus. At the beginning of 1993 a near companion of Baba Manochahal by the name of Sukhwant Singh Warchiree was arrested by the police. Unable to bear the heavy police torture he told the police the whereabouts of Baba Manochahal's hideouts. But Baba Manochahal was able to change his hideouts before he could be found. In the village of Bagria the police raided the house of Piara Singh. When the police were about to arrest his son Resham Singh, his mother asked the police why are you taking my son? Baba Manochahal is sitting down in the bunker. Before the police could take any action Baba Manochahal exploded a bomb and rained a spray of bullets on the police. This caused a stampede amongst the police and Baba Manochahal managed to escape. When the police broke the bunker and went inside they found a feast of ' arms and' a small wireless set which Baba Manochahal had been using to track the movement of the police. The police surrounded all the villages nearby and carried out house to house searches. On the 28 February 1993 outside Rotal village the police raided the farmhouse of Ajit Singh where Baba Manochahal was staying. This was Baba Manochahal's final encounter and he knew the time had come for him to become one with the Almighty. He came out fighting like a lion and was shot by police entrenched behind a tubewell. Baba Manochahal's martyrdom was a great loss to the Sikh Nation and his martyrdom was revenged by the freedom fighters who killed five police officers near Barnala. Baba Manochahal's involvement in the Khalistan Movement inspires many a Sikh today to fight against oppression and injustice and will continue to do so. He has joined the endless list of Shaheeds, martyred in a righteous war in defence of his faith. We are born from the edge of the sword. grown and swelled with the sword. If we live, we live with self respect, if we die, we die with dignity. Khalistan Zindabad. From the Khalistan Deeyan Goonzan April-May 1998

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh the men and women who got Bhai Surinder Singh Sodhi shaheed where baljit kaur and surinder s shinda, the ppl who planed it were gurcharan s general sec of the akali dal and a few others. the singhs took revenge in less than 24 hours. most off the ppl invloved were killed gurcharan was let off becus Sant ji did nt want the morcha to be divirted but when the army attacked Sri Darbar Sahib Sant ji sent i think it was General Labh Singh to kill gurcharana. :umm: i will try to get the jevaani of bhai sahib ji Gur Bar Akaal

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh why don't these fans of niddar think for themselves?? all they do is take his twisted views as gospel. would Mata Sahib Kaur or any off the singhina dress up like that??? i guess they will say yes because the women off that time dressed like that, yea well Sikh women are not the normal they follow a rehit that Guru ji bless them with. i think they should have put all off raja ranjits singhs wife’s (i think it is either 15 or 26) on the poster each one would be totally different, just because they are either born as sikhs or married to them doesn’t mean they ARE sikhs??? guess we will have that women narinder from Big Bro as a role model for the uk nihangs in a 100 years time lol guess the resource will be the sun newspaper lol

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh heres info on debate and guess what they have 2 so-called Sikhs one mr mandla who was the one who couldn’t make a stand and blamed the youths and went to the press saying that the extremists from the Sikh fed took over the protests and one prof gurharpal who has communist leanings and looks at everything as if the militants or power hungry leaders hijack everything. I don’t think these ppl can or will give a Sikh view or mr mandla hold his own. sorry to say this and why was not the sikh community been informed about this in good time the usual lastmintue.com. Guess these self appointed leader won’t learn anything. lets try to get as many ppl there as poss to show that the sikh youth care as well as holding on to british values but hold on to sikh values too we have not forgotten our faith we will continue to stand up for it take care sukdev vjkk vjkf the link is: - jus copy and paste into address bar... http://www.newscentre.bham.ac.uk/release.h...owUndelivered=N if u can't open link: Conspiracy, Blasphemy or Censorship? Sikh Play Debated 11/02/2005 Events spurred on by the recent Sikh protest in Birmingham relating to the controversial play Behtzi will be discussed in a seminar at the University of Birmingham's Centre for the Study of Global Ethics on Monday 14 February at 5.30pm. Issues such as freedom of speech, censorship and blasphemy will be addressed at the seminar entitled: Limits to the Freedom of Speech? The example of the recent Sikh protest in Birmingham. Chaired by Dr Thomas Diez, of Birmingham's Department of Political Science and International Studies, the topical event will feature key speakers: Mr Sewa Singh Mandla, chairman of the Council of Sikh Gurudwaras in Birmingham; Dr Sirkku Hellsten, acting director of the Centre for the Study of Global Ethics; Dr Therese O'Toole, of the University's Department of Sociology; and Professor Gurharpal Singh, of the university's Department of Theology. Dr Sirkku Hellsten, director of the Centre for the Study of Global Ethics, said: "We are committed to freedom of speech and to a fair hearing for minority communities' concerns. The fact that the incidents surrounding Behtzi happened in our locality made it even more evident that we should hold a public debate on where the boundaries lie between freedom of speech and respect for people's beliefs." The seminar takes place on Monday 14 February at 5.30pm at the Centre for the Study of Global Ethics, Priorsfield, 46 Edgbaston Park Road, Birmingham, B15 2RT. Admission is free and members of the public are welcome to attend. Notes to Editors: The Centre for the Study of Global Ethics at the University of Birmingham is the only research and teaching department at any British University specifically dedicated to the study of the ethical issues of globalisation. More information on the Centre is held online: www.globalethics.bham.ac.uk. The public seminar chaired by Dr Thomas Diez, entitled "Limits to the Freedom of Speech? The example of the recent Sikh protest in Birmingham" takes place from 5.30pm-7pm on Monday 14 February at the Centre for the Study of Global Ethics, University of Birmingham, Priorsfield, 46 Edgbaston Park Road, Birmingham, B15 2RT. For directions and a map (the centre is building no.69), visit: http://www.location.bham.ac.uk/edgbaston.htm Members of the media who would like to attend should register their interest with Abigail Dixon, Press Officer - University of Birmingham Tel: 0121 414 5134 / mob: 07789 921163 / email: a.dixon@bham.ac.uk Further Information: Anna Dingley - Press Officer, University of Birmingham tel: 0121 415 8134 / mob: 07769 952763

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh my point was that the sgpc hav given them siropas before and were about to do it again. we need to get the massage across to the sgpc is that they need to beaware of these pakhandis. How wud the families feel knowing the sewa that was done by the gursikhs was rubbished by the leading sikh organisation. its like giving siropas to the naklis of 1978 too me it hurts to see that our leadership is so blind. Only after phones calls and threats of protest that they took it seriously. vaheguru

vaheguru ji ka khalsa vaheguru ji ki fateh dear sangat ji With great regret the so called leaders in Punjab are so blind and stupid. The sgpcwale was going to except at presentation from the Darshan dassi cult from the uk. This cult has been degrading Guru Ji and Sikhi. There are 2 great Gursikhs who are serving life in prison because they couldn¡¦t hear the slandering and disrespect of Guru ji and Sikhi.. On the 11th November 1987 Bhai Manjit Singh and Bhai Rajinder Singh brought this pakhandi guru to book and pumped their bullets into him showing him to be a fake. These Gursikhs are soo chardi kala they have not changed one bit. They could easily say sorry and come out off prison. They are serving 20 and 30 years each. The Panths jewels who gave their youthfulness for Guru ji may be in prison but they are freer than we are. A few years ago the SGPCWALE (I cud swear) gave this cults leaders siropas and took them around Sri Darbar Sahib. Yesterday their was an article in the Daily Ajit newspaper saying that the Darshan Dassi cult was going to donate a gold bound Guru Granth Sahib.ji to Darbar Sahib ƒ¼ Singhs in India contacted the sgpcwale but no one wanted to know until some ppl from the UK started to ring up the big wigs there and now they are giving out a press release .. What am mad about is that these so-called leaders have not got a clue about what is happening around the world and the sacrifices Sikhs are making and all they do is hurt Sikhs world wide. How do u think those families feel when they hear that the spgc is expecting gifts of Pakhandi gurus??? We need to strongly protest to the sgpc even though they have back tracked as this is not the first time they have done this. Makes me sick Take care vaheguru SGPC objects to gold-studded covers for Guru Granth Sahib our correspondent http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050210/punjab1.htm#7 Amritsar February 9 Bibi Jagir Kaur, SGPC president, yesterday took strong objection to the presentation of gold or gem studded covers of Guru Granth Sahib to the Golden Temple. The SGPC president was perturbed when Baba Karnail Singh presented a gold bound Guru Granth Sahib. In a statement on Tuesday the SGPC president said the ethos and contents of the holy Granth was not dependant on expensive covers. And that people like Karnail Singh were propagating "gurudom' and 'deradom'. She further added that Karnail was associated with a dera that preaches against the teachings of the Gurus . She issued strict instructions not to present any gold bound or covers studded with diamonds , gems or precious stones to the Golden Temple by anyone . Earlier too a similar attempt was made during the tenure of Gurcharan Singh Tohra which was also objected to, she added.