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It is same the law is worst in India today then that time. At that time there were muslims now hindus, nothing has changed. See everything is same only faces has changed.

It takes extreme courage to do that. they must have blessings of Guru. Do you know two of them? They now have kirpa of Guru you will see they will become gursikhs and amritdharis and you can see they are much better then todays akalis. They have done a act of bravery for sikhs, given sajaa to dusht phoola. I hope theat we should help them, we help all why not them? They have already done the act for what they have taken birth. I say we should help them.

Sat Sri Akal, Two great Gursikhs have done there duty and done the extreme act of courage to give the Punishment to Phoola for his crimes. But what we have done ? It is our duty to help the Gursikhs for at least there Judicial case and other expenses related to it. I just do benti to admin to start a campaign by paypal where people can donate money for the Gursikhs who have done Qurbani. Benti to all sangat to honour our Gursikhs, i promise to do whatever i can but it is duty of all panth. They are true Sikhs they have there qurbani for sikhi and now it is our duty to help our gursikhs and there families. If today we don't help them then tomorrow will not forgive us, as religions who don't care for there great heroes are lost in history. They are true heroes and its our duty to help them in all possible ways. Regards

Phoola is dead. He reaps what he sow. Just a benti to sangat, we must start a fund to collect some money for the sikhs who are involved. They are true gursikhs and it is our duty to help them. Please admin start a topic so people can donate money that can be used in there judicial case. We must honour them. Who agree with me to create a topic to collect fund must reply to that.

Ok Bro, Lets not take it any further, stick to our own views. I think Ram Chander was just an ordinary mortal as us, if he ever existed. I will not take it further.

Hi, can you post the full shabad. And in mool manter it says Ajoon, so god is present in all of us and don't take birth as said in Hindu Mythology. So Ram Chander in no way is God. Hi, can you post the full shabad. And in mool manter it says Ajoon, so god is present in all of us and dont take birth as said in Hindu Mythology. So Ram Chander in no way is God. Just use logic it is plain simple to understand my views and in what context they are. For me Gyan is enough in Guru Granth sahib. There is so much tech to learn go for it. What you learn from Ramayan? Dont take it too serious just want to learn what Sikhs think and why?

I think Ram in sikhism was used for God and not for any King. The bani i found, sorry for wrong spellings RAM KEHAN MAI BHED HAI. RAM KAHEY JAG SOI | EK SAMAYYA EK MAI, EK SAMAY JAG ALOYE || It clearly states that there is difference in Ram, The word Ram used in Gurbani is one that is present in all,that is God, the other is just a human like all of us (Raja Ram Chander) that is just a mortal being. You know mool manter God never comes to earth. Just i like to say what exactly Sikhs learn from Ramayan? Waiting for reply.

The same thing prevail during Mughal rule, they say sikhs are finished but again they rise. says who ??? It should not be that difficult use logic. They means Mughal or abdali. Read it friend, you know history meer manu killed loads of sikhs ... did sikhs protested in front of delhi they want rights ??? they took them with shri sahib ... the way guru taught ... wadda ghalughara 40000 sikhs died in a single day ... sikhs took them shaheeds and felt proud of them ... instead of protesting in front of lahore they brothers and sisters got murdered ... thanks it first time you say that sikhs should raise arms and fight against govt, I think any infant will understand your words. The meaning is you want to say sikhs to use weapons instead of protests. So do i advocate. name even a single sikh who left punjab fearing govt in mughal era ?? Do you know history? The sikhs went to jungles, Sikhs went to far away places. Do you sat Baba Manochahal and other sikhs are wrong. Ask anyone sikhs went to jungles of Himachal, regroup and fight. I think you need to read history, A lot of. u have already forgetten the aim for which several sikhs died ... the aim was chardikalla of sikhi ... and on a baisakhi day ... in gurdwaras intead of telling youth this day guru sahib created khalsa ... people chant GOI this GOI ... they have forgotten the aim of sikhi What was aim for which thousands of sikh died last decade, you will get answer, noone fight for Chardikalla, people fight for a cause. The reason for sant jarnail singh jee was to get equal right for sikhs. What are your views on sant jee and other shaheeds. and sarriyan gallan di ek gall ... jithe marji khalistan banna lao ... but jai punjab kanni maddi najar kitti ... appna kheyal kar leena ... I will prefer to hear this words from an RSS guy then a fellow singh. You want to say all those Great sikhs gave there life for sikh land were fools. See i think lasrge percentage of Nihangs always are Pro Indian, i only think S. Brahma were a true Nihang, remaining most are sellouts to Indian govt and prefer to fight with fellow sikhs then govt. As fighting govt needs Courage and most of Nihangs have lost it to sukha. I will say Nihangs are our lost Brothers ;( I will say as your rich tradition you will not run away and continue to answer me.

sikhs living in states other than punjab are also more devotional. See Assam, Chattisgarh, maharashtra etc. Only Punjab sikhs are not so devotional 1)Good sikhs are already killed by military. 2)Only punjabis left. 3)The pain of losing war to india has broken hearts of sikhs. The only thing is if we make them proud of sikhi the things will eventually change again. God has mercy he will find a way.

No one cares only thing is more production more $. Ground reality. 1)People think ground water will never end. 2)no impact of chemicals.

So all you want to say forget the past, forgive the police. Forget the aim for which thousands sikhs die. It is so easy for only those who have not lost anyone, but difficult for those whose family members have give there life for cause. By leaving the cause how can one show his face to our martyrs. The same thing prevail during Mughal rule, they say sikhs are finished but again they rise. The people who dont support this cause have no respect to martyrs and only want to say that they wrongly fight for it. Read history if you dont fight then all sikhs in Punjab will finally either be killed or leave religion to become punjabi who goes to temple and gurudwara. and thinks Raja Ram Chander is in Guru Granth sahib and worship mythological or imaginary characters.

You cant say about all sikhs. It is today that almost all brave sikhs are killed by military and only cowards left. Cowards are so afraid to fight that they say there own points as of everyone. So point is blood of our brothers, it is really a sin to forget the cause, and duty of every sikh to walk on there path. Just i wonder how easily people forget past I assume such type of people may forgive Meer Manu and all.

I can see that you are an intelligent yet angry person. and anger must forst be removed from a discussion to be logical. you say would I not consider you a brother if you had khalistan. of course i would...But there is a fundamental paradoz. if i would consider you a brother then i would never let you be divided from us. You make a mistake of assuming that you are the only group that has suffered injustice at the hands of someone else in india. We all have....but you need to read newspapers and books and see the news and make logical interpretations before you realise that... One of fundamental flaw in this statement is think before partition you might have said same thing to muslims for Pakistan. No there are many people kashmiri,assamese, naxal movement. They say about 12 movements for independence in India.Newspapers are censored. Do you have any intelligence the entire media is heavily censored. The govt. of India is in disarray because of a falwed system that needs to be reformed at the social level and at the political level. the social reform is just this...that bias on the basis of religion should be minimized. that is what i am trying to do. But you seem to not agree with that. You think Canada and America are safe havens when you very well know that the White population will always look at you with suspicion (even though i wish that would not happen). you will go ahead and be friends with someone who does not share your language or religion but look away when you meet your brothers from india. This is just plain sad... The reforms will never occur. At least i can guarantee that in last 25 years there was no mass govt sponsored riots in Canada and us against any minority. See Judiciary is 1000 times better there. You cannot be given ministry after you do riots (Jagdesh Tytler).You are just kid with no idea of facts. Give me facts kid. Unfortunately like many other people in this discussion Mr. Bijla you do not chose your words as carefully as you should. you say that I am asking Sikhs to suffer more. How can you make that interpretation when all i want is you to understand the problems of india and in that light make a proper judgement of what is really going on and what has really happened in the past. Indians take pride in their Sikh brothers and as much as you want t disprove it. You will not be able to. the only thing you have in your favor is a couple of things that the Indian govt. did that are injustices to the Sikhs. I agree that they are/ have been wrong and something must be done about it. But your way is not the right way. the slightest bit of knowledge about the indian political system would make you understand that the people are not always responsible for the govts. acts... The govt is made of people. See the fundamental flaw in your ideology is see movies sikhs are portrayed as Jokers or terrorists. Right. See the Haryana in eightees. Delhi riots were done by people. Gujrat riots are done by people. It is people that form govt. It is general perception. You might elect one person as the ruler who seems to have good intentions but later in find out that they are not the people you thought them to be....and on top of everything...the Sikhs voted too... Do you really thinks sikh votes have any affect. Maths The main perception is ideology of Hindu groups as RSS. See talk about Muslims and Chritians also, or it gives me feeling that the guy is RSS one. Muslims are also same to sikhs as Hindus are. Just reply i love them and i never run away i will answer all. Regards.

Hi Rajat, I have studied History and beleive you have as well. But i am sure that you will agree that the people who write the history books are the ones who cause confusion. I do not see any point in arguing with you as I sense anger which is being fueleed bys omething that is not really apparent. I am a bit constrained on time but think that your retort needs an appropriate answer...otherwise my silence would seem as I did not have any answers. The history do you have any idea of Punjabi Suba Lehar and S. Darshan Singh Pheruman and Gandhi view on sikh. Do you know how Nehru and about his surname? The truth is we dont read history we live history, it is taught by our parents from birth. We read about our shaheeds from early age, it is what Sikh parents should do. Ask history from them who has lost there children or spent endless years in jail. The religions who forget past are lost in History. It is a duty of every single sikh to remember shaheeds. I BENEFITTED FROM YOUR SACRIFICE?? OR WOULD YOU WANT TO SAY THAT "WE" BENEFITTED FROM THE SACRIFICE OF ALL THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS!!! You DECIDE WHICH IS right!!! The wars the sikhs fough in 1939 were for the hindus indeed. The sikhs helped the Hindus because a part of their ideology was to do that...and the Hindus must have and surely still do agree to that...But your assumption that Sikhs were the only freedom fighters is plin wrong. there were many hindu freedom fighters. I think the lack of information on behalf of one party should not be the reason why people disagree...and so I would ask you to do some readings on the freedom struggle of India without being biased. A question do you include Muslims and Christians also in We? The point is most of people sent to Hanging and kala pani were sikhs, Read about Babar Akali Lehar and Gadar party. We dont speak these are records. Can you name 50 Hindus who were hanged due to independence from some source? When jalianwala bagh happened,the wntire nation cried for the people who ided there and the incident became one of the biggest motivating forces for all people (hindus, muslims and sikhs) to come together and fight the british rule. The point is Indian Govt is worst then British. See after jallianwall bagh is still a monument. But in 84 when Indian army destroyed Akal takht and other Gurudwaras they dont allow even a single monument. Why there is Jallianwala bagh monument and no monument for shaheeds of 84. The attack was carried on 6 june as it was martyr day of our Guru, the intention was to kill most innocent sikhs. If you give one point why attack was carried on only 6 June and why not on 5 or 7. If you think that the hindus have not fought for your cause ever then again you are wrong. Today there are millions of sikhs in india who live peacefully because the people of india do not feel that the Sikhs are any different from themselves. I was in Delhi University, which has two Sikh colleges (Both by the name of Khalsa College) and I had many friends in those colleges who would have disagreed with you. Most sikhs today dont know past. Because it is prohibited till last year. But see again now time is changing.In Punjab you can hear songs of bhindrawale everywhere, posters books and in mobiles. There is again a feeling of sikhism in youths starting. God has mercy he will give reward to blood of our shaheeds. About the mughals...You are agin wrong. History books do GLORIFY Mughal rulers like Akbar and babur because they were truly great....while not rulers like Aurangzeb who went on a rampage. But they are changing, when do you pass, They are going to remove medieval period i guess. The hindus have written Granths showing Aurangzeb as great god, want to read that. I will give you name of granth give me some time. lack of food for poor people is not the only suffering and i very well understand that. the kind of suffering you claim the sikh peple in India are going through would e no different from the suffering of prejudice every member of society feels when they are ganged up upon by people of another caste or religion. A very dear person who has been in the Indian Police services and has known to be an extremely honest oficer was recently suspended for 12 months from duty just because of his caste in Utaar pradesh. he belonged to the rajput community but because of mayawati's rule in U.P. he was illegally suspended. Only very recently was he reinstated after a long legal process.. You being out of India and unaware of the ground realities do not have the right kind of judgement on things. Your opinion is based on either corrupted hear say or the wrong kind of infrmation base. What is more, your mother and sister is raped in front of there father and husbands and then other family members are killed. Need a proof , i can give. Read about Gobind ram. Even read about military in Assam and Kashmir. When minority women are raped by coward Hindus in mob and people not get justice even after 23 years. Just imagine entire family killed in front of you. can you compare????

Brother, The only point that will never allow us to forget the cause is the blood of our brothers. many true Sikhs had given there life for the cause of self determination. Read the history of Punjab you don't know anything, first read the past and then yourself decide are Sikhs right or wrong. Our guru has said :"When all modes of redressing the wrong has failed, rising of sword is vious and just" That it is justified to raise sword when all other means are lost. You can ask me anything and i will reply., any point. But don't say that forget your martyrs. They give there life for our religion and it is a sin if any Sikh forgets them. The point is terrorist of one is Freedom fighter of other. Bhagat Singh was a terrorist to British, but freedom fighter for Indians. Just read past and you will also support us. Because everyone should support truth.