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  1. Sat Sri Akal, I really need help, need answer for all these points one by one. I need to reply to a muslim. I dont want to write a single wrong line, If it has already been answered kindly give me link. guru Granth Sahib Full Of Contradictions? 1. It teaches the contradictory concepts of God being Sargun i.e. with attributes and also Nirgun -without attributes (p287; p102). 2. It teaches reincarnation and yet the Guru Granth Sahib questions reincarnation(p748 M5; p1366 Kabir). 3. It teaches the concept of hell (p465 M1; p524 M5; p793 Ravidass; p875 Ravidass; p1383 Farid; Asa Kabirji GGS p484). And yet says hell does not exist (p969 Kabir). And it also teaches the mutually exclusive concept of karma & transmigration. If you are born again and again to pay for the sins of previous lives, why the need for hell or heaven?(p686; p156; Rag Malhar M3; Rag Gauri M5) 4. The Guru Granth Sahib says neither Hinduism nor Islam has the truth (p329 Kabir; p875 Namdev) and yet says that the opposite (contrary) is also true(p1350 Kabir).Guru Arjun Dev even validates the Vedas (p632 M5). And guru Govind Singh says Allah & Abhek (Ram) are the same and the Koran and Hindu scriptures are the same (Akal Ustat vs 16:86). 5. It claims that there is only one way to God (p920 M3; p1279 M1) and yet the Guru Granth Sahib also teaches there are many ways to God (p885 M5.7. It teaches that all humans are children of God ( p1118 M4) yet also says, not all, but only those who love Him are His children (p658 Ravidass). 6. The guru says that he is blind, ignorant and without enlightenment (p696 M4) yet he is called ?guru?, which means one who leads from darkness to light. 7. It teaches the existence of Heaven (p718 Namdev; p952 M3) yet the concept of Heaven is rejected(p969 Kabir). 8. It teaches that the world is a dream, an illusion and not real (p740 M5; p1187 M9 p1231 M9)yet guru Nanak says it is real (p463 M1). 9. Guru Arjun Dev claims that he was given supernatural powers (p782 M5) yet guru Nanak, admitted to the Siddh yogis that he performed no miracles(Bhai Gurdas // 1.42/43) 10. The Guru Granth Sahib rejects the Vedas (p329 Kabir) yet Guru Arjun Dev validates the Vedas (p632 M5). He also quotes them as though an authority(p632 M5). Guru Nanak also quotes them as though an authority (p831 M1).The fourth guru does the same and quotes them as though an authority (p998 M4). Namdev quotes the Gita as though an authority (p874 Namdev). Ravidass quotes the sage Vyas as though an authority (p658 Ravidass). 11. The Guru Granth Sahib says that everything was created by the agency of millions of Brahmas (p1156 M5). Yet the one God created everything ( p1 M1). 12. Dhanna jat is said to have worshipped a stone and God appeared to him. Yet stone worshipping is condemned (p1160 Kabir). Guru Granth Sahib gives no account of the creation of man and in fact says the Semitic books are false (p329 Kabir). Yet itself validates the existence of Baba Adam (p1161 Kabir). 13. The Guru Granth Sahib teaches that God does not incarnate (p1136 M5) yet talks of the Nehklank Avatar (p1403 Swayyas). 14. The gurus never called themselves divine, but in fact sinners in need of salvation by the Grace of God.(p156 M1; p536 M5; p261 M5; M5 p1301). Yet Swayyas sing praises and laudations to them and make them divine (p1405 Swayyas; p1407 Swayyas; p1408 Swayyas; p1409 Swayyas). 15. It teaches monism i.e. all is one reality and God is all (p846 M5; p464 // M1; p1291 // Malar M1; p131 Majh M5. Yet says that man is not the same essence as God but only resembles Him (p754 Suhi M3). I can answer most but it would be much better if anyone answer them in a brilliant way. Thanks.
  2. As per my available knowledge i found that Kindly give the correct meaning. Charitar 21,22,23: There was a rich lady Anoop kaur, in Anandpur. She was attracted towards Guru Gobind Singh, so she called Magan Das ,Guru Saabs Servant and sent a message that if Guru Gobind Singh ji wants to learn Bhagauti Mantar, then Guru Saab should go and meet her at night. When Guru Gobind Singh reached there She said she wants to have sexual intercourse with Guru Gobind Singh ji, when Guru saab refused then she said that you should then pass through(under) my legs. Guru Gobind Singh ji said ,that person will pass through your legs who is impotent and can’t perform sexually: "Noop kaur yo kahi bhog mau so piye kariye... aaj humare saath mitar ruchi so rat kariye ho natar chhado tang tare abb hoye nikariye... Tang tare so jaayi kel ke jahe na aawe Baith nipunsak rahe rain sigar na bajawe..." (charitar 21,part 27-29) Then when she could not convince Guru Gobind Singh ji, she started shouting chor-chor/thief, Guru Saab started running but was chased and surrounded by other people. Then Guru Gobind Singh ji slapped her brother and took off her brothers turban and told people that this is the thief. Guru Gobind Singh left his shoe there. Then in the morning Guru Gobind Singhji summoned Anoop Kaur to his court, and told her that what you did was not right---, and at the end Guru Gobind Singh ji asked her for forgiveness and fixed a pension of 20,000 rupees half yearly for Anoop Kaur: "chhima karo ab triya tume bahur naa kariye raandh Bees sahansa taka tise dayi chhimai baandh" (charitar 23,last part) ) It would be great if you say these are incorrect, I beg the mod even if you want to ban me just write that whatever i wrote is crap and it is not in Dasam Granth. Please
  3. Ok Bro, so this topic ends for me here, I will discuss with you and veer Inder in PM. Thanks for coming forward and replying. I will PM you. Again thanks this is what it should be, first time i got people who want to listen and clarrify. Thanks
  4. Just let the Mods come you will find it. You will get answer from Mod. I want to open topic and now it is there choice, to let me or not.
  5. Mods will not allow as i think it is not suitable to be discussed with kids and women.
  6. Can i discuss with you, as i think you have good knowledge of it. I will use PM, or else Mod are gonna delete the topic and ban me. Just a question to Mods can we discuss it in topic?
  7. Bro, Who will bring back Jinda. Sukha. Our list is growing Day by day
  8. Ok Bro, i can wait for any much time. Once you cleared it, i dont have problem with others. So i will accept this as a promise from you, even if they ban me we can start on email right I will Pm you my mail and we can start there if i get banned kindly send yours too. Thanks Bro, you are really worthy person, who has come forward to clear my understanding else i will always be like this. Thanks a lot.
  9. You can discuss with him, he must be having superior knowledge then me. I am only concerned about Chritropakhyan (chritra+pakhyan), to know its true meaning. What you say when we can start.
  10. I am also Jat by background but i use only singh As sikhs dont have any cast.
  11. Ok, Bro we all understand what i am talking about. I am sorry it is Chritropakhyan (chritra+pakhyan). Again sorry.
  12. I have main problem with TriyaChariter, if you can clear that i will accept all other aspects. So at any time bro whenever you want we can discuss it. Lets discuss on PM, it is better as it is not suitable to discuss that among women and children.
  13. TriyaChariter We can start this in PM, what you say?
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