CASTE!! in WHAT'S HAPPENING? Posted November 10, 2003 · Report reply vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!! If Guru Nanak Dev Ji can worship Waheguru in a Masjid withought any influences, then why can not his Sikhs worship Waheguru in a Mandhir withought idol worship, arti and any other Hindu practice?Firstly I've have tried to base my points around Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and have tried where ever possible to back my points with what Guru Granth Sahib Ji says. It seems to me that you have based your arguements on your opinions and haven't provided sources or evidence to back you points. Its clear what Guru Ji says about other faiths:"The Hindu is blind and the Muslim is one-eyed. The Lord divine is the wiser of the two. The Hindu worships at the temple and the Muslim at the mosque. Namdev serves that Lord, who has neither a temple nor a mosque." (Bhagat Namdev, Gond, pg. 875) I've said already twice that there is nothing wrong at all in visiting other places of worship for observance and to understand other faiths: Page 1350Prabhaatee: byd kqyb khhu mq JUTy JUTw jo n ibcwrY ]baedh kuthaeb kehuhu muth jhoothae jhoothaa jo n bichaarai Do not say that the Vedas, the Bible and the Koran are false. Those who do not contemplate them are false. But why??????? What is the sole purpose of a Gurdwara????? So you can go to a Mosque or Mandhir instead. Did you even read what i posted about Guru Nanak Dev Ji? Guru Nanak's parchaar was of Truth, not "I'll go and pray in a mosque and mandir so my Sikhs can do the same." He wanted Hindu and Muslims to realise that there is Only One, whether He be called Alllah or Raam. You say Sikhs can worship in a mandir withought idol worship, arti and any other Hindu practices. So whats the purpose of a Gurdwara, so we can worship waheguroo with idol worship, arti and any other Hindu practices? Page 730Soohee, First Mehl: gurU duAwrY hoie soJI pwiesI ] guroo dhuaarai <admin-profanity filter activated> sojhee paaeisee Through the Gurdwara, the Guru's Gate, one obtains understanding. Page 32 Siree Raag, Third Mehl: dyvx vwly kY hiQ dwiq hY gurU duAwrY pwie ] dhaevun vaalae kai hath dhaath hai guroo dhuaarai paae The Gift is in the Hands of the Great Giver. At the Guru's Door, in the Gurdwara, it is received. Page 1015 Maaroo, First Mehl: gur duAwrY nwau pweIAY ibnu siqgur plY n pwie ] n> gur dhuaarai naao paaeeai bin sathigur pulai n paae Through the Guru's Gate, the Gurdwara, the Name is obtained. Without the True Guru, it is not received. Page 1074 Maaroo, Fifth Mehl, Solhas: gur duAwrY hir kIrqnu suxIAY ] gur dhuaarai har keeruthun suneeai At the Gurdwara, the Guru's Gate, the Kirtan of the Lord's Praises are sung. siqguru Byit hir jsu muiK BxIAY ] sathigur bhaett har jus mukh bhuneeai Meeting with the True Guru, one chants the Lord's Praises. Can you do all this in a mandhir, mosque or church. No i think not. Even Bahgat Kabeer Ji Says (Raag Sorath Page 654) byd purwn sBY mq suin kY krI krm kI Awsw ]baedh puraan subhai muth sun kai kuree kurum kee aasaa Listening to all the teachings of the Vedas and the Puraanas, I wanted to perform the religious rituals. kwl gRsq sB log isAwny auiT pMifq pY cly inrwsw ]1] kaal grusuth subh log siaanae outh punddith pai chulae niraasaa But seeing all the wise men caught by Death, I arose and left the Pandits; now I am free of this desire. ||1|| mn ry sirE n eykY kwjw ] mun rae sariou n eaekai kaajaa O mind, you have not completed the only task you were given; BijE n rGupiq rwjw ]1] rhwau ] bhajiou n rughupath raajaa you have not meditated on the Lord, your King. ||1||Pause|| You said: The fact that many Sikhs today perform these rituals is too, not very suprising as many of our ancestors originate from the Hindus.Sikhs follow Truth, Guru Granth Sahib Jee. Bani came from Waheguroo (Raag Sorath Page 627)Dur kI bwxI AweI ] dhur kee baanee aaee The Bani of His Word emanated from the Primal Lord. therefore Sikhs did not originate from Hindu ancestors but Waheguroo. Firstly, why can not we compare friends from our social life to Guru Ji coming our house? Is Guru Ji not our social friend? Respect everyone. But you cannot honestly say that you would give your social friend and Guru Jee the same status and respect in your home? Guru is our Only True Friend who will stick with us no matter what we do. Your social friends are materialistic in the world which we live in. Bani written by Bhagat Kabeer Ji who himself was a muslim. If Bhagat Kabeer Ji was a muslim then why has he written Bani?. Why wasn't he doing parchaar of Islam? Because he was a Gursikh, a Sikh of Guru Nanak just like every other who has composed in Guru Granth Sahib. Up until Guru Gobind Singh, the way of initiation was "Charan Pahul": Varaa Bhai Gurdas JisuxI pukwr dwqwr pRB gur nwnk jg mwihM pTwXw] sunee pukaar dhaathaar prubh gur naanuk jug maahin puthaayaa The benefactor Lord listened to the cries (of humanity) and sent Guru Nanak to this world. crn Doie rihrws kr crnwimRq is`KW pIlwXw] churun dhoe rehiraas kur churunaamrith skhiaa peelaayaa He washed His feet, eulogised God and got his Disciples drink the ambrosia of his feet. Wasn't Bhagat Kabir Ji a Sikh accroding to this? If his Bani is in Guru Granth Sahib Ji then wasn't he a disciple of Guru Nanak? If you say NO then you have no Vishwaas in Guru Granth Sahib Ji at all, and this isn't a hardcore statement, its blatently obvious from your posts Can other people please put their views forward. vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw! vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!