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Pretty disgusting the way they talking about slavery... Maharaja Ranjit Singh only ruler to invade Pashtun/Afghan territory, reversing the trend. Also I think they need to be informed of 'Battle Of Saragarhi'...21 Sikhs vs 10,000 Afghan/Orakzais "The Battle of Saragarhi was fought during the Tirah Campaign on 12 September 1897 between twenty one Sikhs of the 4th Battalion (then 36th Sikhs) of the Sikh Regiment of British India, defending an army post, and 10,000 Afghan and Orakzais tribesmen to the last stand. The battle occurred in the North-West Frontier Province, now a part of Pakistan, which then formed part of British India. The battle has been ranked as one of very few events of such bravery and has been compared to Thermopylae, where a small Greek force faced a large Persian army of Xerxes (480 BC)." wiki

In the UK we know the situation of conversion that is taking place, attacks on Sikh youth. There is always a story out of a Punjabi girl being converted by force, the UK Sikhs clearly lack unity? not enough education on Sikhi is done?...The Muslim/Pakistani-Kashmiri ethnicity have loads of Islamic schools, there are loads across the country. There is always alot of unity between them and may come across as an influence to others. In Canada/America the Sikhs clearly show a lot of unity, the Punjabis are gathered and are majority. There maybe problems such as 'Indo-Candian gangs' 'Punjabi Gangs'... though Pakistani gangs fear them and are scared to do conversion. But overall there are Sikh schools and nearly everyone white etc knows the ethnicity 'East Indian' and know what a Sikh means. In America few places like California and New York where there is a fair Punjabi-Sikh population. Also there are Punjabi-Sikhs in other Christian/Buddhist/Islamic countries...Singapore, Iraq, Iran, Australia, Thailand, conversion may go on, but we dont hear of a Sikh converting, most probably down to unity.

Very well said. The beauty of Sikhi should be spread.

At the end...only the Creator, the Lord will be the judge.

If the person sees Islam as the better path to Waheguru/Allah/Ram than good for him, its out of his own will. There are people embracing Sikhism too, Muslims/Christians/Hindus vice-versa...recently so-called 'lower-classed' people in India caste system converting into Sikhism and Buddhism because they see it as a better spiritual path to God.

Very true what you said Prem. The last thing the UK Birmingham Sikhs need is violent, hatred filled behaviour towards other religions. As Sikhs we should respect other religions. If a Pakistani-Muslim guy is dating a Indian-Panjabi Sikh girl and converts its out of her own will...

Does anyone know round about how many Sikhs live in the London, Southall area??

Basically, my opinion to this is that the sikh/punjabi girls love the muslim/pakistani boys...because of their ''bad boy thug'' image here in the U.K. Loads of Hindu girls and Sikh girls are dating them here in the U.K. One of my m8 asked some girl he knew ''will you convert if ''he'' asks you?''...to his/our shock the reply was ''yes''!!! This stupid girl now ran away from home with him :wub: p.s this is ONLY one bloody case :D @ If you look here in the U.K...Bradford,Leeds,Manchester,Birmingham,some places in London...You'll see the pakistani lads around in colleges, unis, causing fights...outnumbering and targeting us Sikh mundeh. This impresses some of the Hindu/Sikh girls :| and lures them in2 going out with the Pakistani Lads. Also if you go to the Melas you'll see lots lots of them Pakistani lads together in groups randomly asking out any ''indian'' girl. PLUS the thing that smashes it these Sikh girls dont like apneh with a beard and turban and are attracted to clean shaven Pakistani lads. ^^Amrit above pointed the issue about Pakistanis sticking together and that is a fact. Thats why they are well organized and outnumber us nearly everywhere.

BATTLE OF SARAGARHI (An unparalleled act of Bravery) September 12,1997 is the 100th anniversary of the Battle of Saragarhi- one of the "ten most famous battles " of the world. On this day, exactly 100 years ago, a handful of Sikh soldiers- 21 to be exact - of the 4th Battalion of the Sikh Regiment (then XXXVI Sikh) formed part of the British Indian Army and fought thousands of Pathans in the North Western Frontier Province (now Pakistan). All 21 Sikh soldiers died in the battle as they fought to the last man and last bullet; but they did not yield even an inch of ground that they were defending. This epic battle is worth recounting as a singular example of unmatched courage, absolute devotion to duty, unflinching loyalty and giving supreme sacrifice of life for a cause. In the later half of 19thcentury,boundaries of the British Indian Empire extended right up to the borders of Afghanistan, through the rugged and hostile terrain of Baluchistan and the North West Frontier Province inhabited by fierce Pathan and Afridi tribal warriors who refused to acknowledge the British supremacy and often attacked and raided anything British. In order to protect these long lines of communications passing through the Kurram valley, the Samana range had been occupied by the British troops for almost five years. When the Afridis and Orakzai clans rose against the Government of India in 1897, the 4th Battalion of the Sikh regiment (XXXVI SIKH) was holding the forts and the fortified piquets on the Samana ridge which has the Khanki Valley on the North and the Miranzai Valley on the South. The main position occupied by the 4 SIKH on the cr est of the Samana Ridge were the two fortified posts known as Fort Lockart ( Mastan ) at Saragarhi ( approximately 3 km from each of the main posts) , Dhar, Sartap, Crag and Sangar. These had been built to accommodate a garrison of 25 to 50 men in each. The nearest garrison from where reinforcements could come in case of outbreak of hostilities was at Kohat, a good 60 km away. Saragarhi was considered the most important of these minor forts, because through it signaling communications was maintained between Forts Lockhart and Gulistan along the Samana ridge. Between 27 August and 8 September 1897, a large force of Orakzai tribe attacked Fort Gulistan held by 4 SIKH. Fort Gulistan was strongly held and offered a stubborn resistance and by 10 September, the Orakzais were driven back into the Khanki Valley. But, soon after, the Afridi Lashkar, 10,000 strong, along with Orakzais attacked the posts on Samana ridge. Four attacks were repulsed by the defenders with heavy casualties inflicted on the hostile tribesmen. Utterly humiliated and frustrated by the reverses against Forts Gulistan and Lockhart, the tribesmen decided to change their objective of attack. The combined might of Orakzais and Afridis was thus hurled against Sarangarhi in early hours of 12 September 1897. Almost 20,000 tribesmen surrounded the post and cut it from other localities. No reinforcements and replenishment of ammunition could reach the detachment, which was under siege by the ever-swelling hordes of tribesmen. The first onslaught of tribesmen yelling and firing came early on the morning of 12 September only to be repulsed by the small band of brave Sikhs. This was followed by a pitched battle of six long hours. At last, there was a lull in the gruesome battle. But it lasted only a short while. It gave the defenders time to reorganise and replenish ammunition from their depleted reserves. The attackers managed to create a smoke screen on one flank of the post by burning dry bushes. Covered from observation and fire of the defenders, two of the enemy managed to get close to the perimeter wall of the post and start hammering a breach through the stone wall. Through the breach in stone wall, the tribesmen, swarmed into the fort. Saragarhi defenders fought with fixed bayonets and rapid fire against the multitudes that poured through the breach and Signaler Gurmukh Singh continued to give a graphic picture of the battle to the Commanding Officer using his holiograph. But the ferocity of close quarter battle took its toll. At about 3 o'clock in the afternoon, there were only two survivors - a wounded soldier in the guard room and the Signaler. The Signaler put away his apparatus and took up his rifle. His last message to the Commanding Officer at Lockurt was " I will be engaging the enemy now onwards with my rifle and will not be relaying any more messages". He killed a dozen tribesmen before he fell himself. The wounded soldier in the guard room who was solely in command of the post now secured the guard room from inside and used his rifle till he was burnt to death. His foes later admitted that he accounted for 21 of them before his end came. The captors, after succeeded in overpowering the post, were so shaken by the sight of the brave soldiers' now lifeless bodies on the ramparts of the Saragarhi Fort that in order to obliterate the scene of their moral defeat, they set the place on fire. On learning of this glorious, gallant and unparalleled action, members of both houses of the British Parliament rose in unison to pay homage to the great Indian soldiers. Each one of the 21 soldiers was posthumously awarded the Indian Order of Merit, the highest British gallantry award then given to Indian (equivalent to the Victoria Cross awarded to the British). The story of this epic battle is taught to school children in France and is one of the eight stories of collective bravery published by UNESCO. No military history book, when portraying, the bravery and sense of sacrifice of the Indian soldier is complete without special reference to the defenders and the martyrs of Saragarhi. p.s. sorry if its done before...

Vaheguru Vaheguru, I think brother ''Mehtab Singh'' jis post earlier on the first page, with the Gurbani transulation, should enlighten many, and erase these misconceptions. Prabhaatee: First, Allah created the Light; then, by His Creative Power, He made all mortal beings. From the One Light, the entire universe welled up. So who is good, and who is bad? ||1|| O people, O Siblings of Destiny, do not wander deluded by doubt. The Creation is in the Creator, and the Creator is in the Creation, totally pervading and permeating all places. ||1||Pause|| The clay is the same, but the Fashioner has fashioned it in various ways. There is nothing wrong with the pot of clay - there is nothing wrong with the Potter. ||2|| The One True Lord abides in all; by His making, everything is made. Whoever realizes the Hukam of His Command, knows the One Lord. He alone is said to be the Lord's slave. ||3|| The Lord Allah is Unseen; He cannot be seen. The Guru has blessed me with this sweet molasses. Says Kabeer, my anxiety and fear have been taken away; I see the Immaculate Lord pervading everywhere. ||4||3||