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^^ im not denouncing that culture used to not like lefties.

the attack would have been done on golden temple either way, whether bhindra wale was there or not.. why pick *that specific day* to atack.. they would have atacked there anyway. bhindra wale (in effect) thought, may as well go and protect the asthaan. so it kind of played into the side of indian army. because they ended up using the excuse that he was in there, when they were going to go there anyway... most likely, if it wernt protected, indian army would have *turned over every part of harmandar sahib* saying that they would have acted on good info that bhindra was going to be there.

i accept that since there is a lack of evidence on my part, both of our 'theories' are euqally valid.. but, i do refuse to believe that our punj piyaare cannot tell the difference between culture and rehet. this was my point earlier. so its not just culture (based on this fact). though i reely do wish i could say more, i cant without being speculative!! i refuse it so, because if we were to take marrages in hindu tradition, they have to do the rounds around a brahman.if he cant make it, then around the vedas. if te vedas cant be there, then around fire. this is y u see them doing the rounds around fire nowadays.. doing the rounds around our guru can also be put to culture and tradition, >using your logic<. ( i dont disagree with the rounds! just to be c!ear !) thanks oh and furthermore, the amrit sunchar has been unbroken in time (re: generations) since the origional punj.. we are all related, in some way or another, to the original punj. to those families that fled to the jungles.. so the sunchaar has been passed down via unbroken line.

^ yh, n thats kinda my point. withdrawn with the right hand. nd i dout that our guru jus so happened to let it 'slip' into rehet... aint that kinda undermining your guru?

hehe!! same as mee! iwaslike, its jusst a lalla!! but take the word kaal. if u use normal lalla, its the stem word for black, if u use the bindi lalla, its death. (or the other way round -cant rememba). i can read and write farsi and urdu just about too.. but prob not as good as uoooz. and ibeleve that it was because of farsi, the pair bindi was created. re, the saud, i think there is one where the middle line of sassa has a lil cross or somthing... the time of gurus, there were no pair bindis.. so i dont believe theres need for bindis anyway. imagine a rardaa pair bindi! how the freak woukd u pronunce that one!

its not super stition.. its in this rehetnama.. iv bin trya find the extract.. it says sajja hath over khaba when u take amrit.. and punj piyaare say right leg kachera, righthand kara, left side kirpaan for right hand side use, in amit suchaar right hand on top of left hand, and its 'good practice' to give prashaad with right hand.. ive made this list as the first post in this topic.. daanat dachan etc.. sun pooja.. god as the jort etc.. to be onist, ive found no real reason for righthanded ness, apart from, its rehet... ask the punj re the rehet etc.. and, even nihang singhs do anticlockwise parkarma to keep their (left hand side) kirpaan facin guru G.

tell that to the punj piyaare!

it could be proof of the eternal dynamicity of the jabi language. what does everyone else think?

its a random point.. hence "another thing".. why u ask?

1. god is beyond all duality. so the notion that god can be angry is void..(aka, wrong). 2. god greated things like karam, maya (maya meansanyting that will take you away from god) etc.. 3. god doesnt punish us. we do through thinking we can get away with things.. hence karam. hence y naam smran and seva are the only things that can reduce karam from 100%. (to 90% then 80 60% etc..) 4. we have both choice and destiny. animals have no choice, so though we are animals, we have choice (less than 1%). ------ > > with this ess than 1% we create crime and allthis kind of stuff. 5. we are not destined to have any specific outcome. guru G says, haath heelaae surag na jaau, yo mun jeet saka nehi kaahu;. meaning>>>>>>, just by these pandits etc.. shaking their hands and saying, 'now your destiny is changed!'..... 'give me all ur monies!' , you dont go to heaven. whoever wins their own mun, wins it all.. <<<<<<<<<< fact 1: u cant look to understand god through asking these questions. these questions (and answers) will giv you, only the peace that your mind needs, for you to start doing your naam simran and bani. in gurbani u think that there are contradictions, but they only seem that way. they just talk at different levels. so though you ask ur questions, wih i have nothing against, try to find 1 concept, like choice and dstiny, and think about it. do veechaar in your mun basically... and ask guru granth sahib for these answers. there are all answers inside maharaj... if u talk on hte level of hukm, and bachan and benti, then u cant talk about duality, as thesethings are above it (duality).. if u still dont understand the play of duality, then u cant really aim to understand about hukam.. - this is my point. its a matter of avastha. aka, level of thinking. lastly, know this. as you do your naam simran, this <1% of choice we have, will grow. eventually grow so much that we become the scribes of our own destiny. we become sant, and eventualy, god hiimself. to even begin to understand this fact, is very had. but easy does it. god has given us this <1% choice to samaal. (keep). but with this <1%, we create so much sillyness around us.... murder, problems.. and more karam for us to porg in another life etc.. this is one of the reasons why that sikhi is a tough marag to walk on.. another thing.. "rules and restrictions" is TOTALLY different to "rehet". justsaying.. in case u have any other douts. by the way, "aka" means "also known as".

^^ use the right hand side of the mouth or foot. naaa... obv its not that stringant... B / and rehet given to us by guru G cant exatly be undone.. hence right hand thing.

^^ how the hell has that post got so many likes./

alcohol is in all medicines. your body manufactures alcohol too. mouthwash is mouthwash.. its not nasha. we aint allowd to take any nasha that will take us away from god.. its not about alcohol.. its about nasha. and if u dont take alcohol in foods etc, dont eat processed foods... make your own atta. and pizza bases etc..

i myself am left handed. i dont believe in 'handedness' however, i feel that because our guru gave us kachera right leg thing {aka, i like to call it the kachera dance }, kara on right hand, kirpaan on our left side, for use with our right hand, and right hand on top of left hand for amrit sunchaar (when we drink it), we must follow that. and thats what i do. my final word on heaven n hell, its just a metaphore re left n right,... but when it comes to our guru, we cant say anything, but lisen and keep the rehet as strait as we can. i.e. we aint no one to change it.

i believe, since our gurus had marrages (tho at a yongue age, and the marrage process was different), had marages at a age range majorly being 4 years, id say, four years either side of your age. irrespective of gender.. however, now, my own take, if u get on, then thats ok. i know people with big age ranges, and it works... one is 7 years, another, 12, another 13 years. one is 17 years.. i believe this is totally rong.. so as an over arching statment to answer ths question, if the one you wan to marry is less than 16 (>because(!) of the law that u cant consumate with), then ts ok.. meaning, if there is no way that they would be as old as your son/daughter could be, then its ok.. so, 12/12/14, its ok. that aint no way gona be your daughter.... so ask urself the q, would you have had sex at 12 /13/14 to bring a child into the world? everyone says no to this question. so, because u could have a kid at 16, by 17, this means that this is the limit. because, you do not want to have a relationship with somone that old/yongue, becaus they could well have been your child. please excuse my incohearency.. im so tied.

i tihnk he means that jezus was a sikh as per definition of a sikh..? thats what most people say.

^, yh.. i tihnk thats what i learnt in science class (but i could be wrong .. hehe) but if u suggest that thats how sun particles create water on the moon (in minor quantities), thas rong far as i see..

the charged particles break oxygen bonds of oxygen on the gravel, then the oxygen bonds to hydrogen forming water. but to say that solar wind makes water is like saying, because somone can decide to write gurbani in form of guru, then they must be god. just because it happens, you cant link the two, and make the claim. besides, i dont think it can happen to a significant enough degree to even make a drop of water.... most of the water came from asteroids... but this is mst likely 'deep inside the moon' water as this is the most significant source of water on planetary bodies... one of saturns moons has liquid water.. amazing!.. could support life. this is muh more interesting than water on moon http://www.npr.org/2012/08/05/158170844/life-on-mars-try-one-of-saturn-s-moons-instead

bhagat kabeer ji used this as a play on words. meaning... chalat kat tede tede tede - why is your chaal in life, path, bent? meaning, why dont u jup naam when all you are is a bag of bones etc.. in the same way "..bhagat bauhu doobai siaane". so in this phrase, "tede" is to do with not following the straight and narrow path / marag. (which is khaniyo tikhi vaalo niki.) when bhagat kabeer is saying tyFI pwg tyFy cly lwgy bIry Kwn ] ttaetee paag ttaetae chalae laagae beerae khaan | Your turban is crooked, and you walk crooked; and now you have started chewing betel leaves. Bwau Bgiq isau kwju n kCUAY myro kwmu dIvwn ]1] bhaao bhagath sio kaaj n kashooai maero kaam dheevaan |1| You have no use at all for loving devotional worship; you say you have business in court. ||1|| when bhagat kabir says this, he is saying, because of your bent marag you are on, which is devoid of love, and filled with pointless kum cuz u think ur a big man doing importent things (when the only importent thing is to jup naam). i now personally believe that to get through to the person, (because bani is personal to the reader), bhagat kabeer says becauseyour on the tede path, evenur pu has become tede (though no direct relation, its a funny coincidence that the pug is tede, as well as the guy on his tede path). this dont mean that u cannot have a tede pug, or dont mean that u can start calling ppl tee, or look down on ppl that have these tede traits. we basically cant say to sum1, fix up. we aint guru G. if we hear our guru say "fix up", thats our guru saying that to us, personally. though this is one of bagat kaber jis 'eaisear' shabads to understand, its still bit long winded to grasp, because of its depth. HENCE.. its not how people walk.. so i see it as, its ok to be tede, so to speak, but not tede in your life / marag (as this is the focal point of both sabads by bhagat kabeer.) and "beere" is paan (betel nut that u put into a betel leaf). turns your mouth red wen u chew it..

true christianity is this.. here is some lines from the one true gospel of christ written by the holy 12. (from which all other[~35-40 gospels] came from). a litle extract from "Lection 91 The Order of the Kingdom. (Part I.) " on the link i gave you is >>> 3. And Iesus answered and said, Verily I say unto thee, O Mary, and to each of any disciples, The kingdom of Heaven is within you. But the time cometh when that which is within shall be made manifest in the without, for the sake of the world. 4. Order indeed is good, and needful, but before all things is love. Love ye one another and all the creatures of God, and by this shall all men know that ye are my disciples. 5. AND one asked him saying, Master, wilt thou that infants be received into the congregation in like manner as Moses commanded by circumcision? And Jesus answered, For those who are in Christ there is no cutting of the flesh, nor shedding of blood. 6. Let the infant of eight clays be Presented unto the Father-Mother, who is in Heaven, with prayer and thanksgiving, and let a name be given to it by its parents, and let the presbyter sprinkle pure water upon it, according to that which is written in the prophets, and let its parents see to it that it is brought up in the ways of righteousness, neither eating flesh, nor drinking strong drink, nor hurting the creatures which God hath given into the hands of man to protect . <<< http://www.thenazareneway.com/ true christianity. exactly like sikhism.. the real 10 commandments. translated from aramaic.

^ i agree. there is a reason why our guru says, saas saas simro. ( which is similar to the way in which vaar vaar jaao ...... is written. thus suggesting do simran with your breathing. simple breathing. no complexity needed.) love is an amazing driving force. tats why i believe theres no need to concentrate specifically on the hirda, or.. whatever. love will give you that feeling. i like this thread.

yh, it was his perspective Singh559, but he passes it off as fact. this is where pseudo-sikhi comes into it. before the sun and moon, was energy. as atoms condensed from the gas nebluae clouds, (into hydrogen, a better was to 'back up' "..pavanai te jal hoi" btw.. ) then, after the big bang, before the moon and stars, there was time. so before the celestial bodies existed, and after the big bang, there was time. >science says< there was no time before the big bang, (so, god cnnot exist as god cannot exist outside of time; we know god can), further, time indicates a series of events occuring. so, as the 11D universe exists, the membrane that all other 9 dimentions live on, (in the 10th dimention), could have events in a series one after the other. however, as this is quantum physics, its unlikely time exists here, because effects can be measured and seen, before it was caused. so mainstream science, time is 4th, and can be created in the 5th... (dimention)

i believe so. we after all, did go through chaurassi, and were given this maanas jorn, and we nw are given this understanding via that gurani tuk.

though they exist, we dont focus on the chakars at all. naam simran starts with the tongue (rasna gun gopal nit gaayan), goes into your throat, then your hirda, then your nabhi (belly button place kinda thing). then when it rises back upwards, thats when the s called chakrasare activatd. these chakras are dstractions. in kundalni yoga, the opening of the dasam dwaar is the finish of the journey, and thats it.. the aptly named thousand petelled lotus flower. but, in sikhi, this is where the journey STARTS. after all, you must get out of your body, to make the journey. its no use just seeing things for what they are, there is tremendous use yes, but no use!!) when we ca have a dialog with what we see. (har naavai naal galla.... meaning that you can talk with naam to get to xyz level, and also, use naam to talk and frther interact.). sikhs dont believe in any form of yoga (jorg), apart from shabd jorg. guru G gave us this yoga. in min stream its called bhagti jorg. there are the classic (hgher) forms of yoga and contempary (lower) forms. the higher forms re the oldest, (bhagti jorg is the oldest). the four are raj jorg, kara jorg, giyaan jorg, and bhagti (bhakti) jog. then you have the contempary forms. Haath jorg, Karam jorg Kundalini jorg Mantar jorg. the only ones we reely start with is haath and karam. the other two have evil twins so to speak. meaning,you could falter. go astray. the others, Jaap Yoga Naad Yoga then ultimately, Adhyatama Yoga are the jogas that are entwined in all the other forms of jorg. because they are yogas hat you slwly access during your avastha increasing. the yoga positions (300+!!!) have functions with the chakars of body. mainly to stimulate certian chakras. but y do this when with naam, it can be done anyway and nicely and naturally? dont get into yoga, gur G says, JORG SABDNG GIYAAn sabdang baed sabdang taa brahanae. onl with shabad you will get it. no other way. hence shabad is the only true jorg.

the uy in te video is using fallaces. he talks about big bang and iflation bein mutually exclusive, when they are totally not. inflation is a part of the big bang. and throughout, he uses bani to back up points that can be broken down. which will lead people to say, this threfore means gurbani was rong in saying such and such. its good he talks aobut the dhundhookaar and stuff.. but and then he mis uses sache te pavana bhaya. saying a chemical reaction gives of gasses. just wrong use totally. its (many) times i this video, where this is a perfect example showing how he uses gurbani to support his own conclusions. all a person needs to do is give one of the many many reactions that dont produce gas. thus disproving his point, and s called, dis-proving gurbani.. and gurbani cannot be dispoved. ! then he says, we dont know how old the universes. corse we do! then he says about grbani saying before the sun and the moon, there was no tim.. when scienc and us, both kno that there were! then he uses ki janam bhae keet paanga to make the outragous totally outlandish point, "evolution is in gurbani because look, guru G says we have re incarnated so many times." this is utter misuse.!. just because our guru says we have reincarnation, doesnt prove flipin evolution. and the post made after this video, also a misuse. then he talks about the bigcrunch. laughable. (sorry to say). u cant have inflation be true, as well as big crunch. accelleration of universe. B-/ then sus ghar soor vasai. utter misuse! mon does not mean literal moon. read the shabad! >> sbdu BwKq sis joiq Apwrw ] sabadh bhaakhath sas joth apaaraa | Giving voice to the Shabad, the moon of the mind is illuminated with infinity. sis Gir sUru vsY imtY AMiDAwrw ] sas ghar soor vasai mittai andhiaaraa | When the sun dwells in the house of the moon, the darkness is dispelled. << the arath is about hirda!!!!!! not sun and moon! and he sems to fail to understand centrifugal force, and gravititonal force!!! fmj .. then he says, when he was studying xyz... then he says, the flipin thing about the jort. again.. misuse. pseudo-sikhi in action. weheyyyyy.... dhan guru he spoke gurbani with intension of jorring sangat to guru.. but its brainwashy.. real sikhi is muchbetter than pseudo sikhi..