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it just gets better and better doesn't it/ academy sevadars from what i understand are the current youth not some old uncles which form majority of the committtees up and down the country.So why the discrepancy?? from current educated youth of today??? If the case is as truthsikher says accounts kept private, and loan not paid at all with sangats donations - then I'LL BE THE FIRST TO ASK FOR MY MONEY BACK- of which i have contributed over the course of the year on a monthly basis, anyone else care to join me?

some valid questions being asked here - but no answers at present- what a terrible terrible shame. All because we cannot show SIMPLE BLOODY MATHS - SIMPLE BLOODY TRANSPERANCY --

none of the three channels are going to be what we want them to be-- so quick solution - boycott them all??? is this the rightful thing to do? for once in a blue moon we have Gurbani reaching every house hold in the UK -you want that kept going, but but in the mean time: 1. write to all channels with your views -- keep writing till they are heard.or even better form a group and ask for time to discuss with the executives of the channels. as a brother says above we 're the best community in the world for our own self destruction and it's mainly due to NOT learning to debate with the opposite end -- we only think of danddaa /pendo styleee even in the next current youth generation. - Think for a moment the host country you live in how does it has influence in the world -- it's the power of debate- Even Gurbani is crystal CLEAR on this one must debate - no vichaar- no dileell-- no result apaart from emotional haphazardness.We need to debate independant from any emotional thought process professionally with these channel reps- -with pyar only then you maay get somewhere otherwise keep on internet warriorship going on here. If you ever have the time tune into the parliament channel and check the old codgers debating on hours on end on a single point of truth without any emotion -- you may pick up a skill much needed in our community.

esingh's reply is 100% spot on -- ardas to waheguru is a starter and a catalyst for everything else- start afresh positively , one step at a time -- how do you get to the top of a building if you didn;t have a lift -- step by step warrior-- all steps no matter how small count towards any goal in life. You have life , your own - please that first , once that is pleased u'll be rocking. YOu are so lucky to be associated to Sikhism - there is no other way of life like it out there.Grab hold of it with open your heart out Guru sahib is waiting for u to take the first step. As it's clear inGurbani we take one step Guru Jee take 1000 towards us. Great question -enjoy report back after a month or so.. Start with mool mantar recitations every day even if you can only do for 5 mins. Read book by Bhai rama singh jee http://www.scribd.com/doc/49191420/Bhai-Rama-Singh-In-Search-of-the-True-Guru-Scan-courtesy-Bhoojangi-Veerji-on-SikhSangat-com http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bhai_Rama_Singh

Who is right who is wrong - make God/Guru Jee the judge of that people on here shouldn't be judging but taking action on their own lives.You cannot take away anything from tamala why the reasons are 1. he talks of naam 2. he talk of believing in SGGS regardless of his past - his present actions are viable -- people complaining and digging the past -- get a life - we all have a past none of us are perfect.life is too short to make judgements and slander - get on /get up and do something inspirational instead all of this negative vibe.

This is great stuff - Sikh community seen all over the press of their unity - excellent. Now for the icing on the cake would be if we also can be seen helping out in the clear up operation. How great it would've also been if some sikhs were seen with the guys with the brooms helping out too.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh Sikhe is supposed to be in stages per person - or per group. Let me elaborate - Bhai Satwant Singh and Bhai Beant Singh shaheeds have been mentioned above - which group or panthic jathebandi group they belonged to when they did the ultimate seva putting gandhi into nark ?? - none right apart from KHALSA only. Did they need any parchar from anyone? Dhan SGGS is doing parchar everyday and so are Guru parayee who are truly committed - find them and check their results and then follow them or emulate them - it's that simple really isn't it?? However doing parchar like the muslims do outside liverpool st station will not get us no where copying them - we are KHALSA - we are different - our rehenee bhenee is different so our parchar must be different. Next time you meet a gora - be the most kind - humble person you can be without judgement - see if it makes a different. Talk to your parents ask them how in their young days everyone would help everyone else without judegement or feeling their time and money is going to get wasted -- now that was parchar wasn't it?? we already have the answers, it's just about walking the talk.

malwai - next time you stand in ardaas and at the end where we say "tere bhanee sarbat daa bhalla" -- this ardaas is done God knows how many times daily-- Sikhe is way of life which wants best for everyone - now that is one HELL of contribution to the wider world. For SIKHI to die out it is IMPOSSIBLE - AKLA PURKH KE FAUJ- IMPOSSIBLE YOU HEAR ME IM BLOODY POSSIBLE" !!!!! Sure there are dellee phellle SIKHS like me and others - and we're asleep in a lot of ways not the reasons why sikhe will die out IMPOSSIBLE.. There are young sikhs on this forum watch before you write your predictions and connect them to BHAVANA AND sikhe prem - our ardass is bhalla for everyone me and you -- impossible for such ideals to ever die oput matey

Waheguru Ji Kaa Khalsa Waheguru Je Ke Fateh SIKHTV why are you airing baba maan singh pehowa,airing this imposter-this saaad has been given a sarpoa of JUTTIAN not so recently- you only need to search the net of his doings: http://www.panthic.org/news/123/ARTICLE/2598/2006-07-02.html

everything is wrong with the sikh channel http://www.panthic.org/articles/5351 http://www.panthic.org/articles/5358 i've cancelled by dd to this channell - who to this day haven't disclosed their accounts-- shame .

Waheguru Ji Kaa Khalsa Waheguru Je Ke Fateh SIKHTV airing baba maan singh pehowa, have they gone mad airing this imposter- :

WJKK WJKF The sheer imatuarity on this thread is unbeleivable-- Pagg style doesn't matter - as long as you have one is the key isn't it? secondly what's under the paag - the brain -- needs to be educated enough to know why the're wearing it or not? thirdly -- what's being done about it?? does anyone know , which Gurdwara is taking steps on this - there are more than 3 in Ilford??? and a couple in Southampton??? easy to talk judgemental -- it's our right as turban wearing to talk and ask any gora you meet " btw which faith do you think i belong to? and then do your bit for Sikhee.....

WJKK WJKF It's OK if you want to keep it on , you'll have to wait till they arrange for someone to see you- it'll be a long wait.-- or unless you want to hand it to security from which you can collect afterwards.They are very understanding,from my experience about 6 months ago.

Vaheguru jee ka khalsa Vaheguru jee ki fateh I agree with this but think that all Gurdwaras should not allow a wedding on any of the 10 Gurpurbs in the year, for ANYONE. But i'm dreaming if this would happen so soon

WJKK WJKF Well that's one country on our side - any others-- savva lakh at the moment!! letter details: http://www.sikhnet.com/news/turban-issue-holland

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh There are loads of vichaars by in Bhai Rama Singh Jee's book with regards to the mool mantar. http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.com/bhairamasinghji.htm however more gyan will also come from reciting it as much as poss

WJKK WJKF Agree 100% surprising how much there input has been to this topic. Punjab without a doubt will need re-eduating in all areas by outside sikhs - whether sikhe related or not.

WJKK WJKF Thread is full of negativity - what about positives anyone.. Without striving for positive in anything or any situation however bad it is how are we to move forward? Think about this question before posting in future - admins need your input here

WJKK WJKF I've been out and in Heathrow - march 10th -- no search nothing- sweet as normal

S1NGH - I like ur style --- wouldn't it be great to just hit every capital of every country with that..

WJKK WJKF What's the matter - people not coming up with any ideas here do we just mope about such issues. To all TURBAN wearing Sikh amritdhari or non amritdharis please post suggestions on raisingg awareness of who we are I have a suggestion and others are welcome: 1. When you talk to any gora always prompt and ask them "by the way what do you think of my apperance and attire ? from which country or race do you think I belong to ??? The rest is your own homework-- we're duty bound to do this living in the western hemisphere. Like I said any other ideas ???

WJKK WJKF Indeed - economic imperialism- excuse mainly is war is good for the economy -these are their own words on previous wars , now they US/UK can print even more money than ever before. World gone mad- but hey gaddafi is a butcher and he deserves every one of those missiles without a doubt-- soin the name of saving all those humans. One wonders why they haven't done the same to mugabee another butcher-- these boyz create crashes and recoveries for exploiting joe average dumb money

WJKK WJKF These committee boaks have lost the plot, and lost their tongues, they have no idea how to be in tune with the current environment and vision the youth is speaking about. They also have no vision for the future of our Gurdwaras - which will be dire if the visionary examples mentioned in the show are not adapted by the wider Sikh sangat. The committee typos have done their bit - which was to build large Gurdwaras- now they feel attached to them and don't want any one else to take charge or change-- no change - means the future is in dire straits for our Gurdwaras period!!! SIkh Channel sevadaars monitor this thread all the time -- why are you not answering or participating in this thread?

WJKK WJKF Every Sikh young or old must get involved and carry out the rightful Daswand of 10% in 1. of time - 2.5 hrs for the mind -- Gurbani/naam simran 2. of time - 2.5 hrs for the physcial seva in the Gurdwara- without ego -- this could be getting involved in some kind of a Gurdwarra project with or without the committee - seva is seva , there are numerous examples of Gursikhs from all jathebandis who did seva without the want of power or chaudarpana--humility only in the last 50 years and even today they exist, find and follow. 3. contribution to the poor of 10% from household income. It's crystal clear we find the above REAL hard , including myself, but even if 1% is done with the goal 10% as a target , it will reap benefits beyond our imagination.

WJK WJKF Beautiful post by Jassa Jeeo, just would like to add the following points in reference to this thread: 1. Regardless of which jatha /which simran technique/-- it is a known fact -- all of these groups over the last 100 years or so have produced singhs that laid their lives down for the panth, please correct me if I am wrong. Now ask your self before you criticize any technique of SIMRAN or any Jatha -- isn't the fact mentioned in the point enough- time now is to get pesh and start on your journey in Maharaj's sharn. Time now is to do something , life is running away over bickering small time arguments on the same old same old. And finally over time - i.e decades things evolve -- naam simran techniques have evolved- Gurbani the way it's read has even evolved. PROTOCOL is everything but it's adaptive, evolving will remain so -- universal LAW. How do we light a fire today compared to a few thousand years ago??? Thread starter- your own heart will tell you what to do - evolve get repeshed somewhere else or work with you did get at that amrit ceremony-- no matter which jathebandi you take it from you will HAVE TO WORK AT IT.. the basic ingredient SGGS is the most important-is it NOT? Lastly a true example once a muslim scholar met Mother Teresa and asked and advised that ISlam's teaching are way way advanced than that of Christaninty on a lot of issues...to this Mother Tersea replied " For me what I have is more than enough and is everything-- and if for you ISLAM is everything than good luck to you sir" one bani or three or five or seven isn't it more than enough for us??? Purattan singhs it's a known fact that one line from SGGS was enough for them to live by to work at achieving it in their life.