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  1. Olympics Langgar 2012 When: 21st July 2012 Where: Along the Torch's 30 mile route from Greenwich to Waltham Forest (including Newham) Please register yourselves as sevadars by filling out the form on the link. www.unitedsikhs.org/langgar2012/form On 21st July 2012 the eyes of the global community will be on a Sikh called Fauja Singh, the 101 year-old marathon runner, the oldest torch bearer at London 2012, who will be carrying the Torch on the 64th day of the Olympics Torch Relay. To celebrate the wonderful achievements of this under-spoken treasure of the Sikh community, UNITED SIKHS, the UN Affiliated International advocacy, humanitarian relief and human development charity, alongside Gurdwaras and Sikhs from around the world will be participating in an unprecedented celebration of how Sikhs embrace diversity What is Langgar 2012? On 21st July 2012, to coincide withthe legendary Fauja Singh carrying the Olympic Torch, Sikhs from across theworld will unite in serving Langgar along the route of the Olympic Torch Relay.A copy of the maps of the route is attached. Branded in yellow t-shirts, specially designed with Fauja Singh’s image, each volunteer, from the Sikh community and those invited from multiple faiths and backgrounds will come together in serving the local community of East London. How much Langgar do we expect to serve? It is expected that there will be Langgar service points in each of the 5 boroughs serving at least 1,000 Veg Roti Rolls at each location within two hours. Should all go to plan, the Veg Roti Roll Langgar is anticipated to reach thousands of people who would have turned up to cheer the 100 torch bearers on the 30-mile route on 21st July 2012 Who’s participating? At present, 14 Gurdwaras from South and East London have agreed to participate (most of which are either based along the relay route or nearby). Some 10 more Gurdwaras in the greater London area are also expected to participate during this launch event. During the launch, Gurdwaras outside London from as far as north as Scotland to as far west as Wales will be urged to partner the London Gurdwaras to set up more Langgar 2012 service points. “Sikhs from around the world will be invited tocome to London for this event, which could be the largest Langgar event outsideof India,” said Mejindarpal Kaur, UNITED SIKHS Project Director of Langgar 2012. For further information: http://www.unitedsik...06-2012-00.html Participating Gurdwaras as at 8th July 2012 Gurdwara Guru Nanak Darbar Kabul Di Sangat, 65-67 King St, Southall, UB2 4DQ Gurdwara Sahib, Calderwood Street, Woolwich, London SE18 6QW Gurdwara Sikh Sangat Leyton Francis Road, London. E10 6PL Gurdwara Sikh Sangat, Harley Grove, Bow, London, E3 2AT Gurdwara Singh Sabha Seven Kings, 722/730 High Road, Ilford, Essex IG3 8SX Gurdwara Singh Sabha Barking 100 North Street,Barking, Essex, IG118JD Guru Amardass Gurdwara, Clifton Road,Southall, UB2 5QP Guru Gobind Singh Khalsa College, Chigwell IG7 6BQ Guru Nanak Darbar Belvedere Kent DA17 6AA Keshatriya Sabha, Lucas Avenue, Upton Road, E13 0RL Namdhari Gurdwara, Upton Lane, Forest Gate London E7 8LW Ramgarhia Sikh Temple, Neville Road, Forest Gate, London E7 9QX Ramgarhia Sikh Temple, Woolwich, London SE18 6EJ Shri Guru Ravidass Sabha 28 Carlyle Road Manor Park, London E12 6BN Miri Piri Gurdwara, Southall Pending Confirmation: Sri Guru Singh Sabha Southall GNNSJ Martindale Road, Hounslow Karamsar Gurdwara, Ilford Medways Town Council of Gurdwaras
  2. Here is a link to the Rehat Maryada particularly the section on the Sikh Matrimonial Ceremony and Conventions, please refer to point (k) http://www.sgpc.net/...and-sanskar.asp Note - k. Persons professing faiths other than the Sikh faith cannot be joined in wedlock by the Anand Karaj ceremony. Also attached is the Hukumama issued by Akal Takht Sahib dated 16 August 2007 to further clarify issue. The main emphasis of the Hukumnama is for the non-Sikh individual to show a commitment to Sikhi.
  3. Fair comment and what you said makes perfect sense to me. However, there is clearly an increasing attempt in the media to aggravate the mainstream against Sikhs? Each bias media report generates a barrage of reader comments with an anti Sikh bias and we seem unable to put some balance into the reporting.
  4. http://www.thesun.co...ng-offence.html The Sun's created some more hysteria for Sikhs. I think Sikhs are being portrayed as the new public enemy by the media, this is evident from a recent hysterical tabloid reporting from stories such as the pervert on the royal barge to EDL turning up to Luton to Swindon/Hull and now the Olympics all in a span of a month. The reader comments are once again extremely derogatory and encourage the bigtory and hysteria against the GurSikh's way of life Again our lack of media interaction is ruining our profile and we need the Sikh Council UK and other Jathebhandis to urgently invest in this relationship. Why are we given a false sense of security that there is a "media" team in the Sikh Council UK as it's evident nothing is being done! Where is our official media voice and why are we incapable of fighting our corner in the media! I don't think I am exaggerating this... but it's beginning to be obvious that some of the elite in the UK mainstream media are trying to generate a "Sikhiphobia", because the nature of all the biased stories reported and reader comments about Sikhs in the last 30 odd days have ensured Sikhs are being portrayed as backwards and threatening!
  5. This may be off-topic, but it's in response to this repetitive recent argument being put forward (also raised by Dalbir Singh above) regarding Sehajdharis/Monay and the Anand Karaj. It is evident that the kalyugi evolution of the Sikhs as a community has meant some erosion, degradation and lack of acceptance of many Sikh values specifically the outer roop. The mona/patit does now make up a disproportionate majority in the community. There’s no denying this is a massive issue and the battle against patit-pauna is on top of the agenda of the Sikh Nation. Nevertheless, the Panthic accepted Rehit Maryada gives the definition of a Sikh as per below, ironically this definition dates back to early 20th Century (with consultation of the major bodies at the time including Sant Samaj, nirmalay) and ensured the Sikh nation encompassed the diversity which existed even back then. This means that an individual with the beliefs below is a Sikh regardless of being a sehajdhari/mona or keshdhari. This is not in anyway undermining the journey to being an amritdhari Khalsa which as point (v) states is the expectation of anyone who classifies themselves as Sikh. As per Sikh Reht Maryada, Section One, Chapter 1 The Definition of Sikh : Article I Any human being who faithfully believes in i. One Immortal Being, ii. Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Sahib to Guru Gobind Singh Sahib, iii. The Guru Granth Sahib, iv. The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus and v. the baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru, and who does not owe allegiance to any other religion, is a Sikh Whilst I also cringe at the abuse of the Anand Karaj by standard Sikh families who rush into the Gurdwara to rush out to enjoy the booze-up/kanjarpauna later, that is the fault and responsibility of all of us (particularly the local Amritdhari Gursikhs) for not ensuring the implementation of Satkaar in their local Gurdwaras. Also the mona born into a Sikh family has to possess an understanding of their legacy and obligation, that’s again the responsibility of local Gursikhs and Gurdwaras in terms of the mentoring programmes and parchaar. It’s now time to follow in the footsteps of Gurdwaras like those in Luton and Derby who have robust Anand Karaj protocols and follow a system of consultations with the couple and the families to ensure the satkaar of the Anand Karaj is maintained. When a white or black man/woman walks in the Gurdwara tomorrow and expresses a desire to follow Sikhi then we will always be supportive in their journey and step up to guiding them and that’s what the majority of us Sikhs will always do.
  6. And ironically we proudly tell non-Sikhs the stories of diverse equality when in 1699 a khatri from Lahore, jat from Hastinapur, tailor from Dwarka, water carrier from Jaganath Puri and barber from Bidar initiated the Khalsa Nation. But behind closed doors, after over 300 years, we are still disgusted with one another because of our ethnic, caste or national origins...
  7. And that's probably why today the Dera-vaad culture is so predominant in the land of the Gurus! It's bigotry that drives the migrant in Punjab to the charan of the dehdhari or church where he feels accepted
  8. A good chance for young East London Sikhs to debate their views on the recent morchas to uphold the sanctity of the Anand Karaj.
  9. I must admit, the nature of some of the posts I am reading on sikhsangat.com and some facebook postings I have come across post-Swindon do suggest the above. I am surprised why the mods on sikhsangat have allowed some of the postings on the recent threads mocking race and ethnic origin. Also the continuous demonisation of the family from Swindon is now turning into nothing more than cyber-bullying. I stand strong on safeguarding the maryada of the Anand Karaj but draw the line on these immature racial slurs. Mods need to act quicker and recognise when a post is openly racist or mocking an individual group of people.
  10. It's harder to inspire someone who's not interested, but we can to take advantage of the current platforms within the Gurdwara infrastructure. Make effective use of the times most young individuals are forced to attend the Gurdwaras such as relative's Anand Karaj, Akhand Paath, Funeral, Gurpurb etc. Grab their attention by ensuring the sikhi2max projectors are on, literature is available. Have an unlocked library and mini-museum aimed at youth so they have somewhere to go when they are bored of the diwan instead of hanging around like spare parts in the corridors Build a programme in our local Gurdwara to promote charismatic stage secretaries, granthis and kirtaniya. Strong and excited personalities on stage will attract attention, unlike boring mono-tone individuals with little charisma Glossy literature, good book stalls, audio-visual displays should be up in the Gurdwaras during the weekends when footfall is at it's peak. Set up a weekly youth discussion forum inviting all to participate in weekly discussions. Keep it real and talk about real issues not "fairy tales & miracles" Ultimately, Gursikh Youth need to stop hiding behind the elders and grab visible opportunities in the Gurdwara administration. Find out how your local Gurdwara's constitution works and infiltrate the leadership. Nothing's going to be handed to you on a plate, you'll need seize the opportunities in order to drive the improvements...There's plenty of opportunities, plenty of vision... but there is lack of commitment from our own Gursikh youth.
  11. This continuous “monster” portrayl of the mother of the bride and the continuous dig at Nigerians is just an immature bigoted lazy way of approaching the issue. Get off the comfort of the PCs and go down to Swindon or your local areas and build some decent parchaar programmes with the local sikh communities to discourage marrying out of faith.
  12. Might not be a bad thing. Back in the swinging 60's the pug dari was seen as quite an appealing exotic look. Might just push our bandana/patka munday to start wearing a dastaar as it's now "fashionable".
  13. Great initiative. Also the Sikhi Camps this summer should focus on this issue as many our kids don't seem to feel empowered enough to fight their corner when it comes to being asked to remove their kara for PE. When the issue arose at my 5 year old kid's school we found out he was the only Sikh kid in his year who wanted to keep his kara on during PE, the other 20 Sikh kids had no issue and were happy to remove. The school agreed on the sweatband as a covering and as time went on a few of the other Sikh kids also started wearing the sweatbands to cover their kara during PE. We live in an age of "Health & Safety" risk assessments which sometimes has an effect on the right to wear our kakaars. Unfortunately Jathebhandis/Sikh bodies aren't really addressing the issue top down so it's left up to indvidual families to deal with the kaakar issues as and when they manifest at a local level.
  14. No doubt, in years to come we will look back at these kinds of protests and recognise them as a series of morchay to uphold Rehit Maryada...but in the meantime it's a damage limitation exercise and like all protests the aftermath needs to be handled properly. Now is the time to contact the likes of Sikh Council UK and other appointed national Sikh bodies to represent at a senior level what the Sikh stand on the Anand Karaj as per Sikh Rehit Maryada. As you can see from the lazy reporting in the mainstream media there has been no consultation with any official Sikh body. If this was a Jewish, Christian or Muslim story then the media would have consulted the senior representatives of those faiths. Sikh Rehit Maryada was paramount in defining us as a distinct ethnic group (Mandla V Dowell-Lee 1982) in House of Lords, our elders were able to discuss this articulately with the British elite. Rehit Maryada is something not to be ashamed of discussing, so the silent self appointed leaders of the UK Sikh Community need to get out of the shadows and represent Sikh Maryada in the mainstream in order to mitigate the accusations of racism and bigotry.
  15. Have any of the panthic publications reported these morchay? Can't find anything and the intentions of Sikh naujwaan are in danger of being misinterpreted in our own community again. UK Sikhs still need stonger propoganda machine, looks like Sikh Channel and Sangat TV aren't really up for reporting the Sikh background of why things happened in Hull and Swindon.
  16. Definitely, this is where the Satkaar Campaign is failing. The pressure of morchay is only momentary, the whole education and change management programme is the most effective. However, in order to to that committed manpower/sewadars are needed and perhaps that's what's lacking. But essentially, the Committees who have their own alcoholic agendas need to be removed and the right Sikhs need to take the Gurdwaras over. This will be difficult with the caste run Gurdwaras like Ramgarhia Coventry who have cunningly safeguarded their kursiya via their constitutions by not allowing non-Ramgharias to join the committee. Being a voting member of your local Gurdwaras is so important as the lack of Gursikh input in the Gurdwara system is dangerous and that's how we have ended up with so many agenda-driven prabhandak committees promoting Manmat instead of Gurmat.
  17. Perhaps people need to articulately respond in the comments sections of the above articles. Otherwise the accusations of bigotry and racism as per the articles will remain as the focus.
  18. One thing I learnt over the years, don't always believe what you read in the papers...
  19. http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/news/9795689.Militants_try_to_halt_multi_racial_wedding/ Militants try to halt multi-racial wedding A WEDDING ceremony had to be abandoned after a group of 40 militant Sikhs locked themselves inside the community’s Kembrey Street temple. The hardliners occupied the building on Saturday to disrupt a marriage between a Sikh woman and a man said to be a Christian and of West African background. The group locked the doors and gates of the gurdwara, near Kembrey Park, before leaving more than six hours later. Though the Sikh part of the marriage had to be abandoned, a civil ceremony between Susan Momi and Kenny Lawrence did go ahead at Lydiard Park, despite the militants turning up there as well. Susan’s mother Harbhajan said: “Words can’t express how I feel, we are all in shock. “They went inside the temple, locked the doors and switched the security cameras off. “We had a caterer in charge of the breakfast. They ate all the food and then told him ‘go or we’ll kill you’. We also had relatives from other parts of the world turn up for the wedding who didn’t know what was going on. “I was getting to ready to go to the temple when I had a phone call from a friend telling me to stay away. It was awful, my heart is still going even now.” The militants claimed on YouTube that they had acted peacefully to stop an inter-faith union at the temple. But the bride’s family say couples from different religions have married before at the gurdwara without incident. Mrs Harbhajan: “This had nothing to do with religion. There was nothing to stop the ceremony in the gurdwara. “This was all to do with the colour of his skin.” The ceremony had been agreed by the gurdwara’s managing committee, but they were powerless to act after several vans full of men turned up on Saturday morning. Raghdir Bains, a committee member at the Punjabi Community Centre, said: “Nearly everybody in the Sikh community in Swindon is absolutely against what took place. “We live in a multi-cultural society and if that’s the wish of the girl and her parents then it should go ahead. “The majority of the hardliners were from Birmingham and Southall and they have been responsible for damage to another temple in Walsall. “The committee had accepted the booking and it should have gone ahead. Local families went to the gates to complain, but there was no one to stop the militants.” The group briefly left the temple, believing a holy book had been removed from the site and taken to the Lydiard Park ceremony. Mr Bains said: “They arrived at 7.30am and stayed until 12.30pm. They left because they believed the holy book had been taken to Lydiard Park. They couldn’t find it so they came back to the temple and stayed until 2pm. “I think the reason no one from the community went in is because they know the record of these people. The hardliners would have met any challenge with violence. People were afraid they would lose their lives if they challenged them.” Dr Harbans Popli, a senior figure in Swindon's Sikh community, also condemned the militants after speaking to the bride’s family. He said: “The family is very upset and angry. This is against all our morals and principles.” The militants posted footage of the occupation on YouTube, showing a hooded hardliner standing by the gate while a local woman protests against their action. A spokesman for Wiltshire Police said: “We can confirm that we dealt with a small protest by a group of men in Swindon on Saturday. The protest was conducted peacefully. “We believe the protestors objected to an event which was due to take place at the Swindon gurdwara. Our officers continue to liaise with the protestors and the community.”
  20. http://www.thisishul...tail/story.html 'Business as usual' after priest held hostage with sword at Hull Sikh temple Wednesday, July 04, 2012 POLICE have reassured worshippers it is safe to return to their temple after a priest was held hostage with a sword in front of his congregation. Eight members of an armed gang are believed to have burst into the Sikh temple in west Hull and attempted to take the priest hostage by holding a sword to his neck. The violent protest took place on Sunday in front of worshippers including children. It is believed the row was sparked over plans to allow a holy book to be taken out to South Cave for a wedding. A concerned worshipper, who did not wish to be named, told the Mail: "There are all sorts of politics going on at the temple. They have been going on for months and came to a head at the weekend. "The gang burst into the building to show their authority and there was a lot of chaos and commotion. "It's to do with the bank accounts, which have changed names, and locks, which have been changed. It's a shambles. "They held a sword to the neck of the priest. "The gang didn't want the holy book to leave the temple and go to South Cave for the wedding." He voiced his concern at returning to the temple in Parkfield Drive, off Anlaby Road, to pray on Sunday with his family in case it happens again. He said: "All we want to know is, as a congregation, is it safe to return and will the police be there to protect us? "We need assurances, we want the police to be there on Sunday. "It is the only Sikh temple in Hull and although in big towns and cities there are a lot of fractions going on, this has never happened here before. "We are very concerned about this as a congregation. We go to a prayer house to pray and listen to hymns and meet other people. Personal issues shouldn't be involved. "Most of us Sikhs in Hull stay under the radar and keep ourselves to ourselves. We are ashamed of this." The Mail understands the priest suffered a mild heart attack during the incident and was taken to Hull Royal Infirmary for treatment. Police have arrested two men from the Hull area and have released them on bail while they continue their investigation. Officers told the Mail the temple is now open for "business as usual" and can be used as normal on Sunday. A spokeswoman for Humberside Police said officers are still trying to establish exactly what happened and are still taking statements from witnesses. She said: "Police were called to the Sikh Temple on Parkfield Drive after an internal dispute. "Two men aged 36 and 58, both from the Hull area, were arrested in connection with the dispute. "Both men have been released on bail to a date in August, pending further inquiries. "The neighbourhood policing team that covers the area is aware of the incident and will monitor the site as required but there is no cause for concern and the temple is open for business as usual."
  21. The latest aadesh to come from Akal Takht was only dated 8th February 2012 which once again re-affirmed that under no circumstances can meat and alcohol be served on a Gurdwara premises and Gurdwara owned halls. This aadesh was distributed to every single Gurdwara in the UK. Last night I got a text about a party at Ramgarhia Gurdwara Coventry this Friday 6th July. Ramgarhia Coventry are one of the committees who continually defy anything Akal Takht have stated and continue to allow parties on site serving meat and alcohol in a hall named after the great Gursikh Baba Jasa Singh" Ramgharia". It's only a matter of time before a party booking is made back in the Dudley Gurdwara owned Hall despite all the drama of last year.
  22. It's been over a year since infamous Dudley Protest against the Gurdwara committee run hall allowing meat and alcohol parties. With news that Ramgharia Gurdwara Coventry Committee have gone back to hosting weekly meat alcohol parties in the annexed Ramgharia Hall despite Akal Takht's clear Hukumnamas, Sandesh and Aadesh... Swindon Gurdwara Committee oppose an inter-faith marriage as it defies Akal Takht... but still allow meat alcohol parties in the hall they run next to the Gurdwara... Dudley Gurdwara Committee made an announcement on the Gurdwara stage last week that the hall has been re-opened and is ready for booking meat alcohol parties...despite the volatility of the situation... Have things really changed in the last 12 months and how do we continue to tackle this epidemic? Akal Takht have provided the guidance but the Sikh doesn't seem to bothered ensure it's adhered to...
  23. I saw a bit of that show too and it was really relevant to what we are discussing in this thread. Truth is, panthic minded forward thinking Sikhs need to start making the in-roads into the Committees asap. 10 years to wait is still a long time and the damage in another 10 years could be irreversible. The Gurdwara infrastructure exists and there needs to be a succession plan in place. I'm not saying that there needs to be a coup or kabza but there needs to be a fast track programme to let the relevant Gursikhs into the committees. There then needs to be a standardised national forum for the committees to meet every 3 month to discuss all issues around Gurmat and Maryada. NOT a "Sikh Council UK" type forum which has little appetite for tackling issues around Gurmat or Maryada. There should be training programmes, workshops, helplines, mentoring for these committee members to bring a uniformed panthic thinking into the Gurdwaras with the aim of over-coming all the current complacency which leads to beadbi and stalls progression of the dharam.
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