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You have nothing to be worried about. They use alcohol to reduce transmission.

Please name these kathavachaks cause I never heard of them till now.

So you have not spoken to them about this matter?

I could say Mehta taksal with jathedar dhumma sold his soul to badal.Most of Mehta taksal sold there soul to badal.I could say that but there are singhs for sure who sold their life to guru Granth sahib ji maharaj only.

Surely, you could say that, but actual Taksal Singhs are very vocal when it comes to who is the Jathedar of Taksal. They don't think twice to say Dhumma is a government agent. Additionally, they have separated from Dhumma. But the same is not the case for Budha Dal. They praise Santa Singh without question and agree with his actions.

Maharaj ranjit Singh did some bad stuff and had to go to Akaal takhats sahib.Baba Santa Singh did a bad thing but later on repented.Why look at someone's previous deeds?He repented for what he did and now he was forgiven.Let's look at what he gave to the panth.He gave us a steek of sarbloh Granth.He gave sarbloh Granth santheya to many gursikhs.A lot of bhuda dal singhs were there from when they were young.They thought what santa singh did was right because they get into that mentality that there baba is always right.If a taksali student who was taught by dhumma he would think that dhumma is the jathedar.I did meet some bad apple nihang singhs in India and I met so many awesome Nihangs.I actually studied at a nihang taksal near moga and the jathedar of that nihang taksal is really chardikala.So are the students there.

Do you think the main Kathavachaks that are touring the world from Budha Dal have said Santa Singh was wrong for what he did? Instead they agree with Santa Singh and then blame Gurmukhs of committing wrong acts. Mainstream kathavachaks from Budha Dal are praising Indira Gandhi and blaming Gurmukhs for staying in Sri Akal Takht Sahib. They blame Gurmukhs for the attack on Sri Akal Takht Sahib. This teaching is embedded into their jatha.

I actually feel sorry for the man in the video as he is being misled, but he has sincerity in him. He does got that funny accent......lol.........

I'll apologize as I am not mocking the man in the video, but the one's that manipulated him into this backwards false practices.

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I actually took the liberty to try this and guess what I found that special someone. I felt so green and relaxed inside. There was a faint voice in the background telling me puff, puff pass, puff, puff, pass, but my relationship is special, I don't share this joyful joint union with any hippie or Nihang.

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If the police really wanted to do something about this. They could set up sting operations around the country and even infiltrate these sexual grooming gangs. But this type of crime is not one of the top concerns for them. The idea is not to go after those who do it, but those who supply the means. Break the network and these giddars will not know which direction to run in.

If the police were interested they could map out where cases have occurred in a city and even predict where the next attack will most likely occur. Victim reports can tell which areas the groomers are taking the victim and which areas they were first approached by the disgusting pigs. All this information can be mapped out and then produced into data which shows patterns.

Policing in BC used the mapping design to counter gang wars in BC. A task force was made and anyone that was a gang member was put on a list. Police officers showed up at bars, clubs, local gyms, and at the gang members residence. Guess what happened. Gang activity has gone down as the police started to disrupting the gangs network.

A similar approach can be taken by normal citizens by mapping it all out. Humans are creatures of habit. Humans are comfortable taking routes and going to place that we are familiar with. These pigs are no different and when they commit these crimes, they are doing them where they feel most comfortable. Which means in areas where it is mostly dominated by Muslims. Victims are also being targeted at the same sites or similar sites.

So in these areas start putting up posters and make other visible aids that potential victims and the surrounding community can be aware of what is happening. This will be a constant reminder, which will stick with them. Gather in these areas and make your presence known. Advice the community of where they can get help if such pigs approach their daughters and sisters.

Is it fish or fish oils ???

What's wrong with fish ??

Everyone knows meat is not accepted in Sikhi. Don't start these nonsense debates over and over. The idea is to climb the ladder of spirituality.

And also regarding khands in japji sahib- yes that could be perceived as sargun/psychical at begineer stage, but since we belive in kaival mukhti not other four sargun mukhti or protestant version of khands... khands in japji sahib are ultimately state of mind, almost 90% puratan scholars/literature(bhai vir singh, baba teja singh double ma, garab gajini teeka/sant gurbachan singh bhindranwale katha ultimately talks about khands being state of mind) have agreed to this as gurbani connects directly to our development of our human consciouness state/perceptions etc..Making khands or puriya into seperate reality its for sargun upasakhs ( pandit singh dhaka nirmala among others who were sargun upasakh with their understanding, limit khands to only subtle/physical realm of khands - made them into seperate ultimate reality place), sikhi does not beleive in protestant version of khands of wrathful god whipping day lights out of people where there is assembly/disassembly line towards locked sachkhand and other various khands. Both ultimate sargun interpertation of khands and protestant influence version of khands approach of sachkhand falls potentially into Polytheistic notions/disconnected reality from human spiritual development in the human consciousness and also in clash course with jaap sahib, akaal ustat, gyan parbodh sidhant.

I was thinking about this dilemma for couple of days and don't you think the SachKhand of state of mind is no different than ultimate reality place? What is the outside layer of the reality place. We know that our bodies don't go with us, but we also know Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj said I will show my Darshan to those who keep their hair uncut and are shastardhari. Sant Baba Kartar Singh Ji Khalsa got in a bad accident and refused to have any hair touched on his body. If Sachkhand is a state of mind (Consciousness), then what does it matter if hair stays intact? The uncut hair and Shastardhari are both attributes of the Satgur parsads physical world. What are the attributes of state of mind Conscious being)? Contentment, humility, compassion, contemplation, truth. What is the difference between Contentment that Sant Baba Kartar Singh ji Khalsa showed by not letting a single hair be touched on his body compared to contentment being a state of mind. Only difference is the former can been seen with the physical eyes. State of mind has a form just as the reality place.

ਸਚ ਖੰਡਿ ਵਸੈ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੁ ॥ ang 8

Sri Jap Ji Sahib says Nirankar resides in Sachkhand. If you remember back to our discussion you defined Nirankar as formless, but the state of mind has a form (permanent and non-permanent attributes), just one that can't be seen with physical eyes.

ਵਸੈ = literally means resides in a place

not yet jee, so far we have been just been using our own resources.

But as of yesterday, someone has kindly emailed us to register us as a charity. Thank you

Yes, please do this as you will be able to hire employees, if needed and please do look into the liability side of everything. I know many more people will be willing to donate once they know you are a registered charity and this means both sides get a tax break which is always a plus. I don't want to sound negative, but you know how it goes when someone tries to do good, there are 100 ready to knock you down. Registering as charity and the sensitive issues your volunteers are dealing with means being familiar with the state laws.

Initially, you will have to pay, but get a good accountant who knows what he is doing when it comes to non profit organizations laws. Accountants are very familiar with the laws and sometimes even more than lawyers, plus you can handle the accounting and law issues in one hit, which means less overhead cost.

It's completely understandable taking on more volunteers can become a liability issue and the wrong volunteer coming in will even destroy the whole organizations reputation in a blink of an eye.

Also make sure the employees you hire are certified, trained, educated etc in the field of counselling.

I think hiring employees will add more structure to the organization that already exist.

Are you guys registered as an non profit organization?

Nothing dear... they are people who call themselves sikhs... and dance on the tunes of Gurbani :) disrespecting our religion and gurbani

and we are not able to do anything -

Do you have anything in mind on how to deal with them?

What we seriously need to be concerned about is when governments try to change the name of cities and states. While a name change looks harmless, but all past history tied in with that state is lost. Once a name change takes place the new name defines a new history that has nothing to do with the old name history.

Same thing happens when structure changes are made to Historical Gurdwaras and institutions. The future generations are not aware of why certain structures were created in a certain way. All they see is the glamour and glory of expensive rocks and not the historical significance of the structure.

Who cares...............stay calm and remember such childish behaviour should be ignored. Just don't purchase the stamp with the butcher's face on it. If you feel really mad, then buy a box of them and let your dog at them or light them on fire. The world is already realizing how Sikhs were butchered by these animals. But they are the common people of the world and they have no power to do anything, just like Sikhs when it comes to these legal matters. The congress government are setting themselves up for failure.

Just as history reads Hitler was a butcher of the Jews. Sooner or later history will be taught congress were the butchers of Sikhs in the early 1980s to late 90s.

Agreed 100% with what Bijla paji just said, but isn't it inaccurate to say Sikhs believe in monotheism rather than Ik Onkar?

I believe it's injustice to translate it like that into English without losing some meaning.

Defining Ik Onkar takes too long and Sikhs are lazy. A lot of meaning is lost when translating into English. Many started to understand Gurbani better with English translations as their first language was not Punjabi, but translations have done a lot more harm than good. Only if their is a Gurmukh who knows both languages will we get a better translation of Gurbani. Right now we are stuck with what we have.

Thank you Bijla Singh ji.

Isn't any Gurudwara sufficient if you want Gur Darshan.

True, but doesn't sangat also play a factor into going to the Gurdwara. Either you can have sangat that sits around in a Gurdwara gossiping or doing Gurmat Veechar. Also don't you think the committee has censored at Gurdwaras, what kirtan jathas and kathavachaks and Dhadi Jathas can say and do? So this also plays a huge factor.

I don't think it is in anyone's Hukam to not allow or allow an Amrit Sanchar to take place at a Gurdwara. This is Maharaj's house and giving Amrit in the form of Punj Pyare is Gurmat. Therefore, whether it be Nanaksar, Taksal, Nihang, AKJ or any other jatha, they have to obey to Sri Akal Takht and cannot give command for not allowing an Amrit Sanchar without a concrete reason that needs to be accepted by Sri Akal Takht Sahib.

atma-paratma and its no where to found in bhramgyani supreme consciousness/vahiguroo as its out of maya realm so there is no perception of maya but world being hari roop but perception of maya is found rather in maya mandal (lack of better word) -plane of existence/in non liberated individual consciousness.

I see what your saying there, but there is Gurbani tell me otherwise.

Please take a look at my last post.

I already mentioned maya is created by akaal purkh. However, maya - 5 vices- panj chor - kaam, krodh, lob, moh, ahankar is not rock solid creation (lack for better term) as its illusion-illusory limited to five physical and subtle senses ...its neither fake nor real. It's real when individual consciousness affected by it and perceived it as that and its cease to exist when individual consciouness is leen in its real saroop supreme consciouness - atma-paratma and its no where to found in bhramgyani supreme consciousness/vahiguroo as its out of maya realm so there is no perception of maya there but perception of maya is found rather in maya mandal (lack of better word) -plane of existence/in non liberated individual consciousness.

This what Gurbani says and this is where I am getting my answer:

ਨਾਨਕ ਨਦਰੀ ਕਰਮੁ ਹੋਇ ਜਾਵਹਿ ਸਗਲ ਵਿਜੋਗ ॥੨॥ ang 955

I remember in one of our other discussions you said the world was the Sargun Saroop of Akal Purakh. Here in the above Gurbani, Satguru is saying that the world is false. Therefore Sargun Saroop of Maharaj cannot be the world.

Next here is Gurbani it is staed that all the worlds (creation) is maya:

ਸਰਬ ਜੋਤਿ ਰੂਪੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਸਗਲ ਭਵਨ ਤੇਰੀ ਮਾਇਆ ॥ ang 351

In all I have seen your form and the whole world is your maya

Do you see how in both lines of Gurbani presented that Maharaj says a fully consciousness being (Brahmgyani) will realize this. This means your theory that maya existence is dependant on humans jeevan is false. The world does not cease to exist once a Sikh becomes Gurmukh. If it did then Baba Budha ji would have destroyed the world.

The one tuk you use to say the world is Sargun Saroop of Maharaj is saying exactly as to what the above tuk is saying. In that pauri on ang 922 of Sri Anand Sahib Maharaj is saying develop the eyes to see Maharaj in everything.

Yes akaal purakh created maya but like everything else its connected with our consciouness- everything is inter-related and ultimately its neither real nor fake as ultimately maya existence is perceived by individual and also dependent on spiritual development of human consciousness blessed by guru's grace.

Again you are saying maya existence is perceived by individual.......But Satguru does not say this. Satguru says Maya has been created. For example spirituality existence is not perceieved by individuals. A person cannot say spirituality does not exist simply by saying I can't see it or I have surpassed it. Satguru created maya and it's existence is not dependant on humans.

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Above is from Sri Sukhmani Sahib the 21st Astphadee. You say maya existence is perceived by individuals. But Satguru in the above says there is no other doer. Vaheguru does all (which means he created maya). If anything you have said their is dualism in Sikhi.