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Is Kaam, Krodh, Moh, Ankar, and lobh Sargun or aspect of Sargun?

This is the case of the elephant and four blind men. Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji Maharaj calls such Shakti as nothing. A fat man unable to jump like Michael Jordan see's from his perception Michael doing impossible jumps. Satguru Sri Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj sitting on the hot plate cannot be compared to what the Buddist did. Banda Singh Bahadur tried to use Shakti on Maharaj and Maharaj gave him a good lesson in Hukam. Divine is Satguru only. Others is just a magic show.

So why do Kundalini yoga?

When you say Waheguru is formless are you not confining him based on your knowledge? Take for example creation. Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji says n his katha of Gurbani this creation is like a humans dreams. The drama take place, but in the beginning, in the middle, in the end it was an illusion. When you say Sargun is permanent, then how can you turn around and say Sargun is subject to the 3 gunas or this universe is Sargun Saroop? Sargun cannot be absorbed into Nirgun when Nirgun is another attribute of Akal Purakh. The universe along with 3 gunas are not permanent as Waheguru is. When I read the Salok from Sukhmani Sahib that you posted in your last post the better translation of Nirankar into english is permanent. As Nirankar is still an attribute of Akal Purakh. In this topic you also state that Kaal is Sargun. Once again you are defining non-permanent things into permanent existence. Sargun is permanent. Kaal is subject to creation and vice versa .

To be ateet from the three gunas does that automatically translate into formless? To be rehat from akaars does that mean to be formless? I don't think so because he is Ik Onkar. When Bhagat Dhanna Jatt Ji was given Maharaj darshan, he saw Ik Onkar. If Ik Onkar was truly formless, then how could anyone realize,unite, see, feel, or hear him? Formless is a subjective term used by humans to say I can't see him due to my inability. Just because you can't see him does not mean he is formless. Formless is derived from how far humans can see. But Ik Onkar is not subjective in any shape or form. Ik Onkar stands on its own and is objective. Ik Onkar is thee form.

It says ਗਾਵਹਿ , which means to sing. I don't see anywhere the word 'loud' comes in the original.

This is an excellent point, which I was just about to write. Those that slander Bhai Randhir Singh hold utmost resepct for Mahakavi Santokh Singh ji. They quote him every chance they get. But when it comes to Bhai Randhir SIngh ji, they slander him for many things, but especially when it comes to Raagmala. Why single out Bhai Sahib on this only or AKJ? Why not use the same manipulative writing toward Mahakavi Santokh Singh ji. I have one good reason why they don't slander Mahakavi Santokh Singh. It is because of group affiliation. If they speak wrong about him then other Singhs will isolate him and see him as bad. But if something is uttered of Bhai Randhir SIngh ji then the same person will not be isolated from the Jatha. They will all have a good chuckle about it. However the same is true about AKJ where some refuse to call Sant Baba Jarnail SIngh ji as Sant. Inner circles mock Sant ji regarding issues and then they praise Bhai Sukhdev Singh ji Babbar. Even some Nihang Singhs refuse to call Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa as Sant all because of disagreements. This jatha mentality is in Nihangs, Taksal, Nanaksar, AKJ, and the rest of them. Countless times I have been said to be part of Taksal and then they curse me out for going against what Bhai Gurmukh Singh did at the funeral of Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji. They go to extend of branding me with this title. Emotional blackmail has also been tried on me on this forum and in the Sikh community. All of this happens because of jatha mentality.

I don't know. Can you answer the question I put to you?

So you are saying nirankaar means without akaar, which means without form. You also describe Nirgun to mean non transcendental. Does that mean you also say Nirgun means without akaar?

So what does Nirankar mean here?

okay, then can you define Nirankaar?

In a different thread you pointed out that Nirgun means non existence. How can Nirgun mean non existence, when Satguru says.......Ik Onkar?

Bhagat Dhanna Jatt ji focused on Sargun as permanent and he was united with Akal Purakh. Bhagat ji did not face no hindrance. Infact after devoting himself to Sargun, Maharaj blessed him with seeing Maharaj, where no one else could see him.

So what if someone confines Satguru only in Sargun? As you said sargun is permanent.

The Nihang Singhs of the past are not the same Nihang Singhs today. The same is said about Taksal. Sant ji has gone gupt and the fake leaders have corrupted the institution to the core. Many disgusting things happen and the leaders will commit murders to keep them quiet. The current Jathedar of Nihang Singhs is a government agent. The government of India wanted to corrupt both institutions so Sikhs will not trust them. Well these days have come and long gone. If Nihangs and Taksal want to regain respect of the Panth, they need to make huge changes to it's leadership. They need to install the strict Rehat Maryada that existed when true leaders of both Jathas were in power. This fantasy world of saying there is nothing wrong with both Jathas has contributed to the corruption from within. Even add Nanaksar to the list. The focus has shifted away from Maharaj and on to Babas. Even Bhagat Kabir Ji Maharaj did not get the status as Satguru, what makes anyone think a Baba will get this status and/or be treated as Satguru.

To the OP AKJ has also been accused on this forum of being influenced by Bhasauria and therefore hold many views he did that are manmat. It would be nice if you can clear this up for the sangat here. As there are always two sides to a story and your side should be heard. The regular members know for how long we had to hear the other side non stop on this forum.

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Thanks to N30 for answering the questions. So in one of your first post you had stated the following: In your last post to me where I asked you whether Sargun is permanent you answered yes it is permanent; in the following way: Do you not see a clear conflict between the two statements you made?

Is Sargun Saroop of Maharaj permanent?

What is meant by beginner and intermediate stages? Does that mean Sikhs on higher levels don't worship Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji? If not, then what do they worship? Can the body of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji be worshipped?

You have dodged the question. The answer surely can come with an explanation, but all that is needed is a yes or a no. So for the third time can Sikh worship Sargun Saroop of Akal Purakh?

There are no examples. Simply can Sargun Saroop of Akal Purakh be worshipped by Sikhs?

Can Sikhs worship Sargun of Sri Vaheguru Ji Maharaj?

You still did not say what you meant by same jot. Also does that mean Sri Guru Angad Dev ji's body is not subject to kaal?

In order to stop terrorist you do not agree with their demands. Throughout Sikh history we have been taught this by Satguru and his Sikhs. Human Right issues were and always will be number 1 issue for Sikhs on a worldly level. Therefore, the actions of the Sikhs who filed the cases against the Badal terrorist are Gurmat and are in support of the people of Punjab's best interest. If you want a proper representation of Punjab so future business deals do not get hindered, then speak to the Babas of Punjab to stop supporting the butcher and support a party that will help their followers out of suppression and depression economically.