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Didn't Baba Banda Singh Ji Bahadur raze SIRHIND TO THE GROUND.

Was Baba Ji wrong? Baba Ji only should have attacked the opressors and not raze Sirhind to the ground... But if we say Baba Ji was wrong, then how come they got a place in Sach Khand (which they refused)

Youre wrong here first of all, Kalgiya Valey maharaj Guru Gobind Singh gave siraap to sihand for the paap of what they did to Sahibzada Baba Fateh Singh and Sahibzada Baba Zoravar Singh, Dasam Pita is the one who said the bachan that Sirhand will be destroyed, that means everyone also who were living there at the time were destroyed due to their paap of not raising there voices to the wrongful acts which occured there!

Thats why Dhan Baba Banda Singh Bahadur destroyed everyone within sirhand including your so called 'innocents'? why because of their maha paap!

Everyone in sirhand came under the sword except the one who shouted out aload that what wazir khan was doing was wrong, 'janey ha da nara maray', he survived so did a mahapursh who when first heard of the bachan maharaaj did on sirhand, did benti to Dasam Pita that his dera would not be attacked to which maharaaj accepted and said 'take this Sank to your dera, blow it and wherever to the sound is heard in sirhind, the area will noy be raised by the khalsa'.

This is the reason why muslim historians called baba ji various bad things, they thought he was going to destroy all muslims, and the other hand hindus were calling baba ji 'kalki avataar', thats how much Baba Banda Singh was a warrior!!

There are countless sakhis of how baba ji destroyed everyone in sirhand, read Suraj Prakash Granth and Panth Prakash Granth, best to listen to its katha instead.

Refarding this slaughter business in the middle east why are all of you getting so worked up about it, hamas and isreal are as bad as each other, its their jung not ours!

How about whats going on in panjab? remember 78, 84 to the present day, rapes, murders, beaddbi of saroops of maharaaj, beadbi of singhs and kaurs there, dont you all remember what happended in delhi? or how about ram rahim? forgot about him too? how about how sgpc are trying to mess with sikhi? how about them? how drugs are in every pind in panjab! how they now are messing with our scriptures so they can destroy us, how about us Khalsa Ji?

Instead of worrying about other kaums lets worry about our own!! lets enter the anandpur vala mata as Sant Jarnail Singh Describes in his speeches!

What has the UN done for panjab's victims??

The reasons to why all this stuff is happening in the middle east is to do with them, you can even say that there is paap on all their kaums there due to past events in history that have occured, because i can tell you one thing the way you lot are feeling sorry for them, with all your emotions to protect them, they dont and wont give a dam about the khalsa, wake up!

Very good post! Getting too emotional about this war is just HAUMME. At the same time, I feel all this is going to affect Punjab. Sikhs need to side with the minorities of India(muslims christians) and showing some concern for palestine is a politically correct thing to do. Many Kattar muslims respect the sikh faith(I dont trust their respect but still I appreciate it). On the other hand, goraas are just PRACTICAL people . Jews are bammans in goraas and germans are jatts in goraas.

The blog of kamalroop singh is pretty nice. He currently seems to be working on a book on Sarbloh Granth Jee. These days its almost impossible to tell who is dodgy, who is panthic, who is not panthic ? Maya has become so powerful that even great charrdikala singhs can completely loose it.

But a person is known by his words and actions and unless there is evidence, a person is innocent.

We shud keep restraint in calling someone an RSS agent etc.....

One of my father's very good friend recently did a lot to counter darshan "singh" and promoted the bani of Sri Dasam Granth Jee and u know what, some kharrkuus(who are panthic but misinformed) called him a RSS agent. This is the state of the panth.

there's nothing "wrong" with Professor Sahib Singh's steek.. but do know that it too is quite literal.. for a more spiritual and deeper analysis of linguistics and context, Bhai Vir Singh's steek might be unmatched

Prof. SAhib Singh jee's teeka is nice but it is pro-vedaas. Can some veer tell something about Bhai Vir Singh Jee's teeka. Is itt pro-vedaas. How did Bhai Veer Singh interpretet tukks like "vedan meh naam utttam" and "bet katee kahuhh matt jhoothe, jhootha jo na bicharai" ????

Thanks

Your in India ask the Nihang Singhs

I did go to a nihang chaunni but over there 5 patta leaves were not followed and every individual had its own amount. On this website, there are some really nice young nihang singhs and I really love and believe their words. Nihang brothers like gurbar akaal, valli singh, buddasingh have given me lots of knowledge. Then there is a Nihang veer Kamalroop Singh Jee whose blog is really informative too. I feel these type of young western Nihang Singhs can do very nice parchar of true nihang rehit, traditions and history. I have become a FAN of nihangi lifesttyle and nihangi rehit and nihangi version of history.

I have some questions about shaheedi degh.

Is it true that according to puratan maryada, only 5 leaves of cannabis are added ?

Secondly, is there some standard of the minimum size of bata, other ingredients because if there is a small bata, even 5 leaves can lead to intoxication.

BAsically, in short, how to prepare non-intoxicating shaheedi degh for a person who has never had it earlier ?

Is there some place/chauuni where non-intoxicating shaheedi degh is prepared on regular occasions ??????

Thanks

Will I be able to find a nihangnee or will I die kuaaraaaa ? I want to marry a nihangnee who can teach me proper gatka, horse riding, a nihangnee who can protect me from dushts and insane people.

You should contact the security agency who are providing Mahendra Singh Dhoni with female bodyguards.

Mehtab singh jeeoo, Its not time to be joking. I fear that my parents might chose a girl for me who will marry me for my zameen,house and worldly education but deep down will mock my banaaa and my pyare sarbloh utensils. As a fellow sikh, its ur DUTY to find a suitable singhni for me.

Will I be able to find a nihangnee or will I die kuaaraaaa ? I want to marry a nihangnee who can teach me proper gatka, horse riding, a nihangnee who can protect me from dushts and insane people.

Ji, I think they 'do' give sarbloh bibeki rehat, a friend of mine told me this. I may be wrong.

Bhul Chuk Maaph Karnee Ji.

I dont hide behind a computer with some fake id like happy-loves-kirtan. The information I gave u is TRUE. 3 years back I was not given sarbloh because the jathedar of punj himself gave up the sarbloh bibek rehit.

People these days differenciate between dietary bibek and sarbloh bibek. When we talk about proper dietary bibek, SARBLOH IS A PART OF IT.

Dietary bibek means saving the food from maya(this maya enters the food through the physical touch, eyes and words of the person preparing the food) and putting maximum naam into the food(this naam enters via the medium of SARBLOH JEE through the gurbani singing, eyes and physical touch of the gurmukh jan preparing the food).

According to Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Jee(who was one of the top gursikhs since 1699), giving up sarbloh rehit is like removing ur kachehraaa..

i thought 'proper' nihangs, dont get married...

I want to get married and I am a PROPER nihang. I am the NIHANG the world is going to remember for a long long time.

Please suggest good books and sites to improve english.

AGGGGGGGGGG la dao angreji nu and teach PUNJABI to the goraas. If u wan to learn a language , i feel learn russian or GERMAN. I love GERMANS. If germans convert to sikhi, ufffffffffffffffffffffffffffff................................................ they will make the STRONGEST KHALSA EVER.

nah.. not germans..

kala singhs all the way! ))))

Yea kala singhs nice but german white singhnis will be OUT OF THIS WORLD. I hope i can marry some german white nihangnee.HAHAHAHA

My parents looking to get me married for the last 2 months but here in Punjab people seem to have a big problem with the banaa. How do people in the nihang community get married ? Is there any newspaper/website for nihangi matrimonials.

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa, vaheguru ji ki fateh

I have some questions too

Would it be ok to tie an extra kara inside keski and then take the one on my wrist off?

Also, if someone here happens to have experience.. what is the best way to tie dastaar if one does martial arts that includes throws? (i've been a bit worried about this.. :umm: )

Vaheguru ji ka khalsa, Vaheguru ji ki fateh

Nope, that will break the punj kakaari rehit I feel. Place of keeping kirpan and kangha can be altered for some time but NOT karra and kachehra. Karra on the wrist is a kakaar and anywhere else is NOT A KAKAAR.

Please suggest good books and sites to improve english.

AGGGGGGGGGG la dao angreji nu and teach PUNJABI to the goraas. If u wan to learn a language , i feel learn russian or GERMAN. I love GERMANS. If germans convert to sikhi, ufffffffffffffffffffffffffffff................................................ they will make the STRONGEST KHALSA EVER.

I think there should be rule in UN that those countries who do not follow their resolution/bill/way then those countries should be kicked out of UN... "Not following UN" is started by Bush..Him and his two buddies (Cheney & Rumsfield) were the one who slapped UN by going war with iraq to find their home cooked fairy tale called "WMD". Israel is doing exactly what United States did (war strategy is also same). Barrack Obama ain't gonna do a thing as he gathered hundreds of thousands of Jewish community vote during election. Current attack by Israel is also a stunt for the current government to win the re-election bid.

Not saying Palestine is totally innocent in this but its totally wrong on part of Israel to attack such defense-less state.

Hamas came up because of Bush failed policies in that region.. Hamas was elected because Bush forced elections to be held in Palestine, while rest of the world's suggests thatit would be a bad idea.

hahaha, there is no such thing as DEMOCRACY in this world. All this worldly tamasha is about the survival(and enjoyment) of the fitttest and the STRONGEST. All the media, armies, UN are just KOORRRRR and

I think there should be rule in UN that those countries who do not follow their resolution/bill/way then those countries should be kicked out of UN... "Not following UN" is started by Bush..Him and his two buddies (Cheney & Rumsfield) were the one who slapped UN by going war with iraq to find their home cooked fairy tale called "WMD". Israel is doing exactly what United States did (war strategy is also same). Barrack Obama ain't gonna do a thing as he gathered hundreds of thousands of Jewish community vote during election. Current attack by Israel is also a stunt for the current government to win the re-election bid.

Not saying Palestine is totally innocent in this but its totally wrong on part of Israel to attack such defense-less state.

Hamas came up because of Bush failed policies in that region.. Hamas was elected because Bush forced elections to be held in Palestine, while rest of the world's suggests thatit would be a bad idea.

hahaha, there is no such thing as DEMOCRACY in this world. All this worldly tamasha is about the survival(and enjoyment) of the fitttest and the STRONGEST. All the media, armies, UN are just KOORRRRR and SELL-OUTS. USA and Israel are the GLOBAL TERRORISTS of the last 50 years.

That's completely unjustified. and in a way wouldn't that be weakening of sikh males as well? that they would so easily give in to their 'manmukh' wives?

Many punjabis like to glorify the rule of raja ranjit singh but I feel that in this period the NIARAPAN of khalsa was COMPROMISED. As a result the singhnis lost their niarapan and strong rehit and began to get influenced by hindu and muslim females.

Yes it was the weakening of sikh males that lead to weakning of sikh females and their kids they gave birth too. Singhnis are the key for the charrdikala for the panth as a singhni is a mother, sister and a wife and a charrdikala singhni can make charrdikala warrior husbands, brothers and bhujangis. It was MATA BHAG KAUR JEE

who awoke the weaking khalsaspirit of 40 muktas.

One of the biggest reasons I am against touching the feet of elderly sikh men is because by doing so, we are admitting that these elderly men are somehow more wise and spiritual than the youth. During the sikh freedom struggle in the 80's, many of these "saintly elders" got the sikh youth killed(and got their sons and families settlted in the west). Even at present, all the mess in our gurdwaras and the dirty politics happening is the work of the "saintly elders".

Youth of Gurdwara Sukh Sagar in Vancouver shud be the role model for the sikh youth.

I think istead of touching the feet of elders, we need to learn to respect the old age of elders.

Touching the feet of an elder in a prettty easy thing, but how many of the presentt youth are ready to take care of their own elderly parents(forget about other elders) ????????????

How many of the present "singhnis" are ready to take care of their bazurg parents in law ???????????????????

There are some really spiritual old nihang singhs in chaunnis. HOw many of the presentt day "charrdikala youth" is ready to take the responsibility of taking care of ONE such elderly nihang ??????????????????????????????????????????????????

I have a question that I want further information about; is there a quote from Guru Granth Sahab which states one must not touch the feet of others and that one must not bow down to anyone but Guru Granth Sahab? If so, can someone forward it.

I am confused with this as I believe some people mis-interpret the quote, as by bowing down to elders is not the same as bowing down to Guru Granth Sahab; as one is not worshipping them but simply greeting them out of respect. For instance the Chinese usually put there hands together and bow to greet someone else, but it does not mean they are worshipping them as their God.

People who come down from India do this all the time as it has become quite a custom in India to do this, but I do not find this to be offensive.

I like to find out others views on this, and whether you think its right or wrong.

I personally would NEVER touch the feet of anyone other than Satguru jee. Having said, touching the feet of a saintly elder person is not a kurehit. But we need to understand thatt the 5 thieves doing die with age. There are some really bady elderly people in thtis world. Some elderly are even more lusty than teenagers. I had an elderly professor who broke all records of lust. Such elderly people are asking for a gandaassaa to be honest.

can a singh and singhnee who are engaged go out together i.e. shopping etc??

normally it does not look good when a singh and singhnee who are not related go out together, basically if they where friends or something. but if they where engaged would it still be looked down on........... vichaaaar :umm:

Dont u feel shy asking such questions ?

Or may be something is wrong with me. God has made me too sharmeelaa for kaliyug.

If I was the singhnee engaged to u , I would have beaten u with sotaa if u dared to ask me for going out for shopping.

Innee ve kee aggg lagg gaye shopping dee. Patience rakh, anand karaj kar lai pehlaan, fer ih ghumman firran de shauk poore kar layeen.

ajj kall de mundey ve naaaa....................................hahahahahahahahahahaha

yeh but you got to remember that even if the world goes through a crisis it dosnt necessarily mean sikhs will start living the sikhi lifestyle, i mean for all we know in more hard times more sikhs might start going away from sikhi. but i understand where you are coming from, if attack on the panth by government in 80s could bring so many people back into into sikhi then hard times might be what wakes people. only akal purakh knows.

In the future, only the pakke sikhs will survive or some lucky non-pakke sikh(and even non-sikhs) who will get pakke after the khalsa raj gets established. I really dont have any hope on the present day sikh population in general when it comes to khalsa raj. Only the chosen powerful dasam duaari, brahamgyaani khalsa with akaali shaktiyaaan is going to establish the khalsa raj and finish off the manmukh raaj.

khalsa raaj will come but not any time soon, like sant hari singh ji said in the katha it dosnt look like it will happen in our lifetime. for khalsa raaj to come there needs to be gursikhs like sant jarnail singh ji and bhai taru singh ji in every house but nowdays seems like we constantly look for a excuse to cut our kesh.

I feel there are great chances we can have khalsa raj in 10-20 years time. This world is on the verge of the biggest catastrophe in the history of last 4 yuggs. The present economic crisis is a PERMANENT one. Then we have also reached peak oil.

Sikhs need to start practicing the 18th century lifestyle or the present nihang lifestyle. This is the lifestyle we will be having in KHalsa raj.

SSA all,

I tried looking around here for views on tattoos and Sikhi. I couldn't find what I needed so I decided to make my own topic.

I'm planning on getting a tattoo, I'm getting a quote from an old punjabi song by kuldip manak (I will post it up once I work out how to install a punjabi font on a mac). I'm going to have it out of sight (bicep area), as it is somthing that is personal to me, the quote got me through some hard times when I moved away.

I wanted to know what your views ngon being a Singh and havi a tattoo bear in mind that I dont want this to turn into an arguement. I would just like you views and if possible if Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji says anything on the subject.

Fateh

PATT UTTE MORNII PAVAA LEE JATT NEE, BRRRRUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAA

Guru Fateh ji

when the pure souls rule the world and all bhukh and useless dukh n jalum has ended

when the name is remembered in every house

when all religions stop fighting in ego n d what they were made to do martab love and serve God

when this Khalsa Raj happens than i believe it would be a satyug huna

i mean it says Guru Nanak came to redeem the khalsa

so wud Khalsa raj b satyug or wud it usher in satyug

sry if it sounds stupid 4give my ignrence

Khalsa Raj will be WAY BETTER than Satyug.

SATYUG IS SATOGUNNI MAYA.

Khalsa Raj will consist of humans who live in the 4th level and have broken the shackles of trai-gunni maya. It is more of hinduized thinking of considering satyug as the ideal yug. It is in the kaliyug that God in the form of Guru Nanak Dev Jee came to earth to finish of Maya by giving Gurmat Naam to humanity.

How are they linked to Bhai Daya Singh Samparda? Other branches of this samparda are very strict regarding 5 Kakkar and Khande Bhattey Da Amrit - after all, they are descended from the first of the Panj Pyare!

Thats true. This seems to be an attempt to brahamanize sikhi. Such fake nirmalas who cut ther kesh, dont chakk amrit SHUD BE BURNT ALIVE.

Well contrary to the below, speeches of Mukhis of Taksaal Being Sant Gurbachan Singh Jee and Several of Sant Jarnail Singh kees Speeches state that the samparda was started from Guru Gobind Singh jee and Baba Deep Singh Jee was the First Jathedaar, there are books written by the jathedaars which also state this. I would rather believe the bachan of pooran brahm gianis. Stop trying to twist history my friend

Mike Singh,

Jathedar Baba Santa Singh ji is the source of that fact, he is third in line from Baba Kaladhari himself, what's more until the late 70's there were still elderly Nihangs alive who were present on that day and so witnessed this event unfold,

"When the British-backed SGPC force infiltrated Akal Takht and injured and subdued it's inhabitants, Master Tara Singh threw Dasam Granth ji from it's planquin, and exclaimed 'now get out and take your filthy book with you', Sri Dasam Granth ji was then thrown from the window".

Tara Singh was a Neo-Sikh, British lapdog disgrace to the Panth, you're not going to find accounts like that written by these cowardly modern scholars who worship the ground he walked on, the point is if you want to get the facts ask knowledgeable. elderly Nihangs in India.

As for this tenuous Taksal/Nihang connection, the only santhiya/taksal tradition that I'm aware of in Dal Panth comes from Baba Mitt Singh ji and that would be in the early 1900's, though there is a strong purataan santhiya tradition in Dal Panth going far back it was never as forcefully institutionalized as the DDT today is, there was no Jathedari or Sardari involved in it, it was just a teacherly duty carried out by elderly Nihangs as it is today in nearly any large Dal, I know Baba Bakala has a strong santhiya tradition but they are Tarna Dal.

Furthermore, Baba Deep Singh ji and Baba Gurbax Singh ji were heads of Shaheedi Misal Tarna Dal first and foremost and not Budha Dal, and so they were never heads of the Panth as a whole whether or not they were in charge of any taksal, also in purataan times Nihangs would generally be educated and recieve santhiya from Udasi and Niramala Deras or even Seva Panthis such as the relatively unknown Mani Singh Taksal, this purataan tradition has completely been erased with the decline and fall of the Sanatan Singh Sabha and thus you have Nihangs running there own taksals from the 1900's until today,

So the point is there was no seperate taksal that broke off from Budha Dal, and the Jathedar of Budhadal and the Panth would have never been considered a Jathedar of any Taksal even if there were one running under him because it would have been seen as a grammar school and hardly something that would need any Jathedari as it was not a Misal.

Its very important to teach the civilian sikh population gurbani santhiyaa and gurbani meanings. May be the Dal Panth can create a new battalian by the name Tarna Dal Taksali Misal where the traditions of jhatka and shaheedi degh are not practiced and greater emphasis is given on santhiyaa than warrior aspects.

I do feel that in the future when the sikhs will have a country, the ARMY SHUD HAVE ALL THE POWER. The army shud be running gurdwaras, controlling golakks, giving santhiyaa, giving martial arts training. Anyone who eats the golak money of the sangat shud be burnt live, same way Dashmesh Pita burnt those corrupt masands.

How can you become a doctor when you only took admission in pre school. You have a long way to go and still nothing is guaranteed because it depends on your intentions, hardwork and karam.

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People might call me mad or trying to be over technical but I do feel that amrit power depends on the naam kamayee of punj pyaare. During an amrit sanchar, the jyot of Satguru jee present is Sri Guru Granth SAhib jee works through the 5 singhs. At the same time, the HAUME of 5 singhs negates the power of the jyot of Satguru jee. All this has an effect on the amrit.

If a non amritdhari eats the sarblohi langar of a brahamgyani, that non amritdhairi can have a spiritual experience that even amritdharis never had.

If a non amritdhari chakks amrit from 5 brahamgyani singhs, he can have his dasam duaar open RIGHT THERE. Thats what used to happen in 1720's-30's I feel.

At present we are living in GHOR KALIYUG where forget about non-sikhs, sikhs have started to question the gurmat rehits like naam abhiyaas, sarbloh dietary bibek etc.

So the best thing to do is to LEAVE EVERYTHING IN THE HANDS OF SATGURU JEE. Chakk amrit from a place where singhs keep a decent rehit. DAmdami Taksal, Budha dal Rakba Chaunni are 2 places in India I feel have singhs with very good jeevan. AFter chakking amrit, try to keep full rehit and japp as much Naam as u can. By doing so, the weak aspects of ur personality will be removed and u will start to experience charrdi kala, positive thinking, fearlessness, peace, sehaj, humblesness etc.