~P~Kaur~

siqjiug kw AinAwie suix iek PyVy sBu jgq mrwvY]

sathijaiug kaa aniaae sun eik faerrae sabh jagath maraavai|

Listen to the injustice of the Satyug that only because of a single evil-doer the whole world would suffer.

qRyqy ngrI pIVIAY duAwPir vMsu kuvMs kuhwvY]

thraethae nagaree peerreeai dhuaafar vans kuvans kuhaavai|

In the Treta, the whole city suffered because of one evil-doer and in Dvapar this suffering was limited to the one family and the family underwent the ignominy.

kiljug jo PyVy so pwvY ]13]

kalijug jo faerrae so paavai |13|

But in the Kalyug only he suffers who commits evil deed.(13)

Bibi Kulwinder Kaur Jammu Video -

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sikhroots jee, do you know where i can find a video by kulwinder kaur jammu, in which she sings the shabad 'udam karo karavoh thakur'?

does anyone have the videos in the two original links? the links are no longer working

Anyway, read the spiritual arths of raagmala and then decide... Its funny as someone can even tell you to ask people who were there but you wudnt even do that. Such dridta in bhai sahib jee, dhan hai dhan hai your faith in a gurmukh.

If only we had the same faith in guru jees 1430 angs, then that would be dhan dhan dhan dhan

faith that bhai sahib was not a liar

yeah im pretty sure he wasnt

one of the greatest gurmukhs of 20th century wouldnt lie

i have read and decided

Get the book and realise which angs are written in a similar form, grammater, wording and numbering.

I have said before, sant gurbachan singh jee was there, sant kartaar singh jee aswell, and a few more singhs.

Why did bhai jeevan singh used to do raagmaala kirtan? its fact based he did it at a singhs house in america/cananda aswell and the jatha in england even confimred it.

Why does channi jee read raagmala and tell others to?

Bhai sahib jees son was present, so was bhai jeevan singh - if people change there minds now thats anoter thing alltogether however you can even ask older jatha singhs and they will agree that they used to read/beleive etc.

It was even written on tapoban from a singh who is in the jatha, he said his grandad was there, he gave his name, dads name and grandads name, at first tapoban said, yeh we know who you are and beated you before, and then denied it saing they dont know the person. its written on record

either way buy the book for the arths that bhai sahib jee beleived raagmala to be bani

i know of singhs who stayed with bhai randhir singh for years they confirm he never belived in it

as i said before, anyone can say what they want, bhai sahib was a man of principles and if he did change his beleif it would have been written, it would have been wide spread, all the singhs staying with him would have know.

this is not the case.

yes you can say who you want was there, that doesnt change anything

any person can write something on tapoban or give names of people

because this rumour has been spread, more and mroe people belive it, that doesnt make it true.

read bhai sahibs book. full stop

you are going to belive other people on bhai sahibs view rather than bhai sahib himself?

thts not very clever.

it is written in the same manner, please read Sant Tehal Singh Ji's Gur Gira Raagmala!

it is CLEARLY not written in the same manner

i dont need to read anything to know this

all one has to do is read the first 1429 angs, then read raagmala

completely diffrent

just because some1 has written this, does NOT make it true

you can quote as many books and people as you like, but that doesnt make it true either

bhai randhir singh did not belive in raagmala, and this has been verified with many of the singhs who spent most of their lives with him (unlike this one off supposed meeting)

he would not suddenly change his mind

therefore anything suggesting otherwise, is made up/lies/fairytales.

if some1 said now "we have 5 singhs who heard baba thakur singh say raagmala is not bani", and then those singhs wrote a book about it, would you belive that?

you can belive what you want, but lets not bring bhai randhir singhs name onto your side of the argument.

read the book written by bhai sahib " Gurbani Diyan Lagaanmatra Dee Vilakhanta." and you will see his opinion in the section "mundavni"

now surely the most reliable source to find out bhai sahibs opinion, is a book written by bhai sahib.

also, it is possible to make anything mean anything, if one tries hard enough, but why is the other 1429 angs not written like this, with such words, numbering systems, grammar?

im confused

the book is about raagmala. the topic is about raagmala,....

The topic is to inform Sangat about a book that proves thet Raagmala is Gurbani, not a topic to debate that point. The explanation contained therein have never been translated to English before and so it is important to give this not-for-profit book exposure. All questions posted here are answered in the book, so rather than debate here, just buy the book and read for yourself. It's only £2.99.

if the book "proved" raagmala was gurbani, there would be no panthic issue, and every1 wud belive in raagmala

this is not the case

so well u may bnelive that this book proves raagmala to be gurbani, please do not state it in way that portrays everybody beliving that same thing.

and although the questions may be answered in the book, not all will agree that these answers are correct

Just buy the book and read through it, the arguments dont make sense once someone has read the book as everything is answered. I could have posted 20 pages of shabads that end in 1. Read through the spiritual arths, like before this isnt for debate, just highlighting a new book release that has raagmaalas spiritual arths.

im confused

the book is about raagmala. the topic is about raagmala, all positive views about raagmala are allowed, yet if anyone writes anything against raagmala, its a debate?

if you didnt want to make a debate about raagmala you shoundt have posted the topic, strictly speaking, even though ur jus advertising a book, the rules of "talking about raagmala" on SS, are being broken.

yes these meanings of raagmala may make perfect sense in your eyes, and you may belive them, however other people dont. yes, whereas someone may have tried to counter other arguemnts made in mundavni book, that does not make them counter arguemnts necesarily correct.

if you to advertise points of raagmala being bani in this thread it is ONLY fair, u accept the opposite point of view

if a thread was created advertising the book mundavni, im sure it would soon be closed by admin.

does anyone know where i can find "se sanjog karhu mere pyare", sung by bhai abinash singh?

waheguru, now i can understand why everyone enjoyed camp so much beacuse the first time EVER! khalsa camp has had a sachkhand

and where there is satkaar for maharaj thats where all the anand is

dhan dhan sahib sri guru granth sahib ji sache pita waheguru

really?

cos as far as i know many many people have enjoyed khalsa camps all of the other times too

so im afraid your slightly confused.

waheguru

was there a sachkhand for maharaj this year or not again?

there was

omg thank u so much ^^^^ life saver

i really need this same shabad sung by same person lol in mp3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUcGW2-sYXU...feature=related

can anyone help?/

cuz this was a house prog.... has he done similar in any rehnsbais?

thnks

they are acapella jatha

all singhniya : )

sikhroots have lots of thier recordings... : )

Im pretty sure the stance of Dam Dami Taksal is the same but they will only do jhatka in Dharam Yudh.

AKJs i dont know about, I guess their strict vegetarians in any case. Someone from the jatha may be able to clarify.

panj payre say NO to meat.... all u need to do is listen to THEM.....

do not eat meat at all!

most people dont even read the arrill at the end of Chaupai Sahib....

lol then they shud,

could people please add some chaupai sahib keertan links please.... thanks

so many replies.... cant belive ppl actuallt think its OK to wear it.

above post- spot on, a bibi's make up should be her kakaars

why would anyone want to wear make up? u feel insecure? gurujee says give ur head to me and dont care about ppl...... so i take it wen we matha tek we bow our head but we dont GIVE our head to guruujee.

theres NO need for any bibi to feel insecure..... ur sikhi shud make u feel proud of who u are and what ur representing : )

gurfateh!

exactly what man above says, there is absolutley no need for any of these people, not sant ranjit singh, not this guy, not no-one just guru ji.

These people may be good sikhs but that is no more than what we should be ourselves. Therefore the only way forward is wth the guru granth sahib.

i dont recall anyone here sayin FOLLOWWWWWW SANTS

:rolleyes:

as for sant ranjeet singh--- his PARCHAR joins ppl to SIKHI, GURUJEE ETC ETC

NOT himself. >>> wonder why u lot cannot see this.

if u have such a problem--- stay quiet cuz ur comments are not needed.

kbIr sB qy hm bury hm qij Blo sBu koie ]

kabeer sabh thae ham burae ham thaj bhalo sabh koe ||

Kabeer, I am the worst of all. Everyone else is good.

ijin AYsw kir bUiJAw mIqu hmwrw soie ]7]

jin aisaa kar boojhiaa meeth hamaaraa soe ||7||

Whoever understands this is a friend of mine. ||7||

im not surprised to see yet again more nindya. who are we to judge sant ranjeet singh? NO he doesnt keep a count of amrit sanchars happening, the sevadaars do, so what?

indias in neeed for parchar, and thast whats his doing, if u think u can do better then be my guest! i dont think u'll last long as ur all mouth!

as far as the cake busines- no he never cut with a kirpan etc, that was just aload of crap made up by nindaks like me and u.... get a life please.

as for this topic- i have no idea who that guy is but if ppl follow him then its their loss. no need to slander him,

we have no right to judge other ppl's sikhi and their jeevans, and theres no need to sterotype these ppl, if someone wears a white chola and a mala in his hand- we cant call him a pakandi, because the read pakandiyaa are oursleves.

may mahraj do kirpa on us all

gurfateh

fateh

LIVE NOWWWWW

bhai ravinder singh is on now!! woooooo hoooooooooo :D

http://akj.org/skins/one/live.php

VAHEGUROOOO!!!

Guru Nanak Sikh School Hayes, London - gonna be sick!

I am not sure what you mean by "sick" - this is a kirtan darbar!

Bhai Sahib, he wanted to say : There gonna be some good "Sikh" Kirtanies so please come :-P

Many Thanks for clearing that up. Seems like the english language has taken a turn for the worse with the kids of today!!

hahaha bhajee! when we say sikk we mean FANTASTIC

this shabad is on ang 830

does anybody know where i can find an audio of it

fateh penje

amrit cannot be broken like that.

ur REHIT can.....

if i was u id go to the panj and tell them exactley what happened jee... ONLY THEY can tell u if it was wrong etc...

everyone1 else here willl just giv their opinions.

gurfateh : )

do NOT move out! u cant skank ur parents over someone! our parents do so much for us, we cant just walk out. talk to them.

yes- moving in with someone to me is not right.

talk to your parents.