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On 5/15/2018 at 5:11 PM, shastarSingh said:
Indians consider Chanakya to be a great administrator and one of the wisest man to have ever born. They treat him as their Wisdom Guru.
In his book, Chanakya Niti, (Chapter 07, couplet no.12), Chanakya says
"Do not be very upright in your dealings for you would see by going to the forest that straight trees are cut down while crooked ones are left standing."hez saying be a weasel in life. cause honest people are always at the receiving end from their from their foes/circumstances in life etc.
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Why is there ritualism in Sikhism?
Because we are not attached to NAAM.
Anything devoid of NAAM is Maya. Simple.
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On 4/22/2018 at 6:52 AM, LifeIsBeautiful said:I was so surprised that the Ahmediya Muslim people had a stall at the Surrey Nagar Kirtan with books on Life of Mohammed and preaching material.
Honestly, please let these people know that all this does is promote the narrative by the media that muslims are fundamentalists, the fact that they would do this at SIKH parade is retarded.
Phone: (604) 583-4669
Ahmdiyaa Mosque Delta
There was also a Brahamakumari stall, as well, .. Just find it mind blowing that people have the gall to promote their religion at a SIKH NAGAR KIRTAN.. Do we have nimraata for others, or are we foolish?
Please be kind, ask the mosque to kindly not use the Sikh Nagar Kirtan as an opportunity to promote their religious views.
Ahmadiyya are not even considered Muslims among Sunni and Shia.
Even in Pakistan, thy are banned from calling themselves as Muslims.
Primarily, due to Ahmadiyyah's heretical belief that Muhhammad wasn't the last seal of Prophets & Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835–1908) was the Mahdi.
No muslim country in the world accepts this denomination to begin with.
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On 4/22/2018 at 4:08 PM, 13Mirch said:
I printed all this out in pamphlet form and took it to a local Nagar Kirtan when I was in Australia and man, some of the Muslims burned. A few confrontations occurred, "how can you say Guru Nanak was a non-Muslim?!" "Gobind Singh made you anti-Muslim." "Your history is a lie, all Gurus were Muslims and they even married Muslims!" Basically they were clutching at straws. The pamphlets were enough to make the Sikhs ignore these idiots and they grew worried and left the scene. Later a famous attendant Gyani, from Taksal (and who I will not name), got hold of one of the pamphlets. After having it explained to him he called me over and asked me what jatha I belonged to. I told him none. Then he asked me where I got this information from. I told him my sources. Basically his problem was that I was not crediting any jatha on my pamphlet. He asked me to mention Taksal in them but I refused. Few days later all the pamphlets were thrown in the trash and I was told to abstain from publishing such (and here's how they described them) lies. The youth wanted more, but the Gurughar committee would have none of it. The main problem, here, is the liberal fuddu attitude our qaum has that respect all faiths at the expense of your own.
After this some of us decided to stick to the social media. There was veer Bijla Singh Ji with his Search Sikhism page which, back in the heyday of grooming, forced several Muslim preachers to quit their anti-Sikh proselytizing. There were a few more who set up Tisarpanth. Then there was The Truth of Sikhi and Shamshir Publications. Bijla Singh Ji advised us but out of the three initiatives set up, only one is going strong and the others were forced to close down. Why? Because they had to hit the streets and they faced the same problem which I did- our own elders were and still are shooting us down. If we had claimed affiliation with some jatha, then we would have been lionized.
LMAO
same people...same stories
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On 3/18/2018 at 8:56 AM, Singh123456777 said:
ਅਉਰੁ ਕੋਈ ਨਿੰਦ ਕਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਕਹਿਆ ਇਕੁ ਤਿਲੁ ਨਹੀ ਮਾਨੈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
If someone slanders the humble servant of the Lord, God does not believe even a tiny bit of what he says. ||1||Pause||The above pangtee refer to "Hari Jan".
Before you jump the gun in defending Santa Sio as "Hari Jan", understand who exactly SatGuroo has called a a "Hari Jan" :
ਆਠ ਪਹਰ ਜਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪੈ ॥ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਭਗਤੁ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਨਹੀ ਛਪੈ ॥- Hari Jan jaaps naam 24/7
- Hari Jan never hides
If Santa Sio (as Jatheydaar..and as what his followers call him as "panth patshah"- so called) was truly a Hari Jan with 24/7 naam kamae, its unlikely any force in the world could have made him bend to Indhira. Secondly, as Jathedaar of guru ki fauj, we don't know where he was during and after when Sri Darbar Sahib was under attack.
Many Sikhs turned their back on the Panth in 1984, but Santa Sio as not only remained dormant. He betrayed panth by bowing to Indhira . What does Gurbani say of a person like this?
ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸੰਕਟਵੈ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਭਜੈ ॥ If the servant runs away when his master(Satguroo) is in trouble,ਚਿਰੰਕਾਲ ਨ ਜੀਵੈ ਦੋਊ ਕੁਲ ਲਜੈ ॥੧॥ he will not have a long life, and he brings shame to all his family. ||1||Santa Sio's jivan in panth ended when Panth declared him as tankhaiya. There is no sin in his ninda , neither was a "Hari Jan" in anyway.6 -
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On 3/22/2018 at 10:32 PM, N30S1NGH said:So dice is rolled by RAW to infiltrate cdn, uk, america sikhs diaspora - direct or indirect inflitration in -back drop sikhs looking figure, they already predicted hows sikhs will react both predictable reaction- either way they win and advance their goals:
Current issue among sikhs in west- missionaries and sri dsasam granth
RAW in the backdrop watches influences directly or indirectly-, influences both ultra hot headed pro and ultra hot headed anti stance on dasam granth/missionaries- watch sikhs tearing each other part, if there is message of unity- it creates insecurity, fear, hyper, paranoia to keep the fire going.
I've never seen hindus worked up so fast over debate over their various school of thoughts, over scriptures to the point they are fighting among themselves, there are six school of thoughts or more in hinduism all polar opposite of each other- vaishanivsm, shavaism, advait etc in their scriptures all they reject each other etc etc, yet in their circle no one is fighting yet politically they strong as iron- when it comes to HINDU NATIONALISM-Their sants- ravi shankar, sadhguru all supports hindu unity an front
Example of ranjit singh dhandriwanle.
Raw saw this guy prominence -see it as threat- influence his thoughts sant got played big time, created the divide in community, then flare hot headed sikhs to create issues and back drop assassinate attempt againt him- boom their goal is accomplished, huge divide in sikhs abroad.
CIA ASSESSMENT ON SIKHS LIVING ABROAD:
CSIS ASSESSMENT ON SIKHS IN CANADA
Nothing you have to say above is unknown to soojhvaan Singhs in Punjab.
GOI intel agencies systematically work to flare-up key differences among various jatheybandees, they know what issues to play to pit Sikhs against each other.
The most easiest are actually sampardaic related factions in Punjab, given that how volatile their rationale is. (low level of tolerance for minor differences with others)ing
Another thing is, when some one becomes a prominent figure in the Panthic scene in Punjab. GOI intel works to turn them into their agent, naturally offer loads of $$$ .
Chanakya 101: know the difference among your enemies, exploit it & make them fight. Let them exhaust each other.
A prominent politician Singh in Punjab who I know, himself was approached by GOI intel agents and told me the above strategies GOI intel has in place.
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21 hours ago, 13Mirch said:My grandfather was general secretary of the Doaba Kisan Union when Giani Zail Singh inaugurated the Guru Gobind Singh Ji Marg. During those days Zail Singh was playing fiddle to both Santa Singh of Budha-Dal and the neo-Nirankaris. Only a few days prior, Nirankari gangs had set upon an amritdhari Singh and burned him with acid. The Union took up his case and approached Zail Singh who outright refused to interfere in the matter asserting that Gurbachan Nirankari was a Sant and Sants could not be publicly arraigned and/or criticized. The Union next approached Santa Singh who was, then, based at Bathinda and preparing for his journey to Anandpur Sahib. It informed him that not only were Nirankaris publicly desecrating Gurbani but also attacking Sikhs. Santa Singh, laughed them off, saying that Zail Singh was a hans (pure as swan) and if he believed Gurbachna to be divine then even he-Santa Singh- was ready to conform to the latter. The other Nihang Dals, however, contributed money towards the victim's kin all the while grumbling against Santa Singh's ludicrous rhetoric.
Its not an over exaggeration to say Santa Sio was a GOI sold out.
Taking money from Indira to rebuild Akal Takht was treachery with Khalsa Panth. Tainted his name forever.
Panth went through immense tribulations during and after 84, role of Budha Dal as "fouj" of the panth was very much dormant.
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20 hours ago, monatosingh said:There actually are many people who believe that it started some time after. Some people say they hardly knew what Damdami Taksal even was until Mahapurakhs brought it up.
However, that argument could go for any samparda. Doesn't specifically need to be Taksal. One could easily say the same for Nihangs, Nanaksaris, etc.
QuoteThere's an entire list of all the Jathedars of Taksal, you can trace this back to Baba Deep Singh Ji and Bhai Mani Singh Ji.
1.None of the denominations you have mentioned have similar maryada or nitnem to start with. Let alone for us to even consider their lineage traces back to Guru Gobind Singh's time.
2. When people claim their lineage goes back to GUru Gobind Singh sahib himself starting them like how Taksal or Budha Dal does. To such extent that both claim "we" were trace back to Baba Deep Singh jee. Then conclusive historical evidence matters, because both lay claim authority & legitimacy in their narratives, maryada, interpretation of Gurmat in many key area.
Evidence matters because in nihangs, what mainstream Sikh see as Kurehit(e.g. meat, intoxicants(marijuana)) have been normalized. Even interpretation of Gurbani is twisted to suit their narrative & bias.
Problem definition/Conclusion: These lineage claims are merely oral claims without any substantive conclusive evidence.
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On 2/28/2018 at 6:50 AM, DarshaPyasi1984 said:Somethings that should be noted about Damdami Taksal-
1. It was started by 10th guru, guru gobind singh ji maharaj
Is there any conclusive evidence of this claim?
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21 hours ago, S1ngh said:Are there any difference of birth/death programs that we keep in our dharam? We do akhand patth and I don’t see any difference as they all are same. Gurbani, kirtan, katha, langar. Only difference is the end part of the ardas which highlights the program. So there is no difference between happy/sad?
If you read Gurbani carefully, gurmat wants us to rise above dukh sukh of in all phases life. (practically only intense naam abhiyaas is what can make us numb to the ups and downs of life).
If you have done sangat of soojvaan gursikhs. You will realize the shabads sung in keertan to SatGuroo are usually always related to the occasion. In sadness, praising vahiguroo and accepting his bhana and in happiness thanking him etc.
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On 4/18/2013 at 3:31 PM, Koi said:Bhai Daya Singh Ji - Luv (Son of Bhagwan Ramchandar Ji Maharaj)
Bhai Dharam Singh Ji - Bhagat Dhanna Ji
Bhai Himmat Singh Ji - Phandak (The hunter ("Biyaad") who captured "Chattarbhuj Panchhi Bhagwan")
Bhai Mohkam Singh Ji - Bhagat Namdev Ji
Bhai Sahib Singh Ji - Bhagat Sain Ji
Was this supposed to be sarcastic?
Are you doubting the avasthaa of Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindraan Wale?
Gurbani by atleast 3 of the Bhagats in bold and underlined above exist within Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee, from the time of Guru Arjan Dev when the 1st beerh was scribed.
Meaning, these bhagat were already in sachkhand.
Prove that Bhagats who were already in sachkhand by Dasmesh Jee's time, had to be reborn!
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11 hours ago, Akalifauj said:
When the shoe is on the other foot you cry wolf. You have demonstrated how hateful you are for labelling all of taksal as bad because your own family is bad. Pakhand kirtan jatha don't even know who their Guru is. Putting women up as punj pyare, what's next for pakhand kirtan katha....
i dont even know what you are talking about.
The fact you too spew hate. Just proves what I said in earlier as a valid and proved hypothesis within this thread.
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7 hours ago, Khalistanisinghni said:
All I have is:
1. Go listen to katha by taksalis
2. Go check the meaning of versus
3. Taksalan isn't a word
4. You sound missionary, congragulations. (Taste your medicine)
Regarding your accusation on me as a 'missionary'. I am actually pro- Dasam Bani & consider missionaries as nindaks of Satguroo.
Missionaries being nindaks of Naam & Gurbani have been cursed in various places in gurbani.
Why hate people who whom SatGuroo himself has cursed due to their deeds?
If anything, you just demonstrated how hate fueled viciously slanderous modern day taksalis are. Nor do you see any shame of accusing other Sikhs of heresy without evidence.
When you release hate out to the world, you are unlikely receive any love from others either.
Then Taksalis like you wonder in threads like this. "Why people dont like us?"
Seriously
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On 3/27/2017 at 8:34 PM, Khalistanisinghni said:
WJKK WJKF,
couldn't help but catch up with Jagowale vs Dhadrianwale
and realised many people dislike taksalis, calling them aggressive, illogical, "hot-minded".
Has this become a general trend? Seems people prefer to follow the professors/"khalsa" from colleges, following SGPC's maryada (won't call it Akal Thakat Maryada)
Having seen it with my own eyes over the years.
Taksalis in general, if not all are always occupied with maryada controversies.
Then there is hate for other who do mool mantar till Gurparsad/'shorter rehraas' or those who follow a different maryada than theirs.
What I find most disturbing is the "hate" modern day taksalis harbor in their heart for other Sikhs who maybe different from them in 1 way another. AND think there is nothing wrong with it.
Just look at the way AJNALA(video) is spewing foul language on others in this thread.
What is the point of fighting the whole panth about mool mantar? when even "NIRVAIR" from mool mantar doesnt even sink into your heart ?
Being a Taksalan yourself. Just look at the language you used in the last sentence. You have the "US vs. them/the others mentality" . Just pause for a second. and >REFLECT<
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I wasnt born into a Gursikh family. When I learnt about sikhi, i was mostly around taksalis.
Nothing fascinated me about Sikhi.
If I look at the taksalis i have got to know in my life. Nothing in them, inspires me to be a better Sikh.
Its when I left Taksali circles , its when I realized what Gurmat Naam was through dya of Satguroo.
Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj became my reason to want to be a Sikh, not any group.
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On 8/7/2016 at 10:29 AM, 13Mirch said:
Such exegetical saroops have always existed within the Panth. The B40 manuscript is one such example where Bhagat Bani has been demarcated from the Bani of the Gurus, Bhatts and Gursikhs to explain the history behind it. Baba Ji's Saroop is also one such Saroop. We cannot accept it as Gurbani, Per se, as it is exegetical but this should not be made into a reason to cast doubt over it. The presence of Sri Raagmala is enough to indicate that Purataan Sikhs actually accepted this Bani unlike the AKJ of today. I am posting a picture of a similar saroop as well; this one is a combined recension of both the Adi Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Where the Raagmala concludes, the Sri Jaap Sahib commences. The need for such saroops, in the past, is quite self evident if one was to pursue Sikh history from unbiased sources i.e. devoid of the ramblings of white-clad "Babas."
'Now we have printing presses which produce Birs in hours, but historically Birs used to be prepared by hands. It would take years for such manuscripts to be made and only those Singhs acquired them who could prove that their regions were safe and sound. The last thing any Sikh would tolerate, then, was mistreatment of Maharaj. They had a spirit which is lacking in today's Khalsa.
Now with not many Birs available, Baba Binod Singh Ji (1st Jathedar of Sri Budha-Dal) formed a new stratagem. Acting as the pontificate Jathedar of Sri Panth Khalsa he announced that for those Singhs who possessed the Sri Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Sarabloh Guru Granth Sahib Ji, they could be venerated in the same way as the Ad Guru because they too were Gurbani.
1.The question center of the discussion of this thread was the authenticity of the bir here in question.It was alleged to be from Guru Sahib's time. Presence of Kachi Bani proves it cannot be based on the content of the saroop itself.
2. You seem to make excuses that "its ok" to have kachi bani in saroop of SGGS or dropped into the middle of Gurbani since you view it as you call it "exegetical ". My honest opinion on this opinion, you need to re-examined your faith when it comes to Gurbani itself. If you have any confusion, then 24th pauree of Anand Sahib makes it clear:
in the 3rd line, Guru Sahib tell us those who recite or listen kachi bani are ਕਚੇ . What to talk about those who advocate the acceptance of exegetical into Gurbani/SGGS itself?
4. Your whole post is devoid of any factual evidence in light of gurmat or crystallized evidence. Ones sikhi shouldnt be based on ones blind allegiance to ones group/leanings. Other than that, there isnt much credible substance to much of what you have said nor anything conclusive. Mostly periphery talk, am sorry to say.
5. If you are of opinion that there are no puratan saroops without Raagmala exist, I suggest you pick up the book called Mundhavani by Gyani Gurdit Singh and see the pictorial evidences he has documented.
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4 hours ago, shastarSingh said:Veer jeo,
I had a chance to read through the page you posted. Below is my observation:
While this saroop is puratan, without a doubt.The question is, is it from Satguru's time?
Sorry to burst your bubble on this. As marked above before Raagmala comes Kachi Bani Ratanmala(marked in black) & Hakikat Rah Mukaam Raje Shiv Nabh Ki(marked in red).
If as per your claim this saroop was prepared by or during SatGuru Gobind Singh Jee's time. Why would Satguroo include kachi bani?
Conclusion: Claims attached to this saroop are not authentic
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when i read such thread and read the type of mentality people have here along with the deravaad competition ongoing
1 thing is for sure, this generation has lost the plot.
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punjabis, they dislike gurmat & dont want to raise daughters to have gurmat asools , to have a firm character and honor, and avoid senseless free mixing with men that lead to flirtations
when Pakistani boys pick their characterless daughters, they blame everything and everyone but themselves
#Stupid
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this makes me sad....
very sad
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Yes I work but my personal life should not concern you.
It is matter of training your mind to be able to engage in 24/7 naam abhiyaas, it just becomes an unconscious part of the body like breathing. From my experience, working in a higher position, you actually get better sangat because the people are more mature and civilised. I also find that your life becomes easier when working in higher positions. Nevertheless, a sikh should not need to worry too much because Guru Sahib always takes care of the sikh and ensures their sikhi never deteriorates.
1.I didnt get your point in being snobish, phen jeo. Where I was coming from was give practical advice based on Gurbani & life experience. Gurbani is evidence. Its SatGuroo's voice to a Sikh.
It is matter of training your mind to be able to engage in 24/7 naam abhiyaas, it just becomes an unconscious part of the body like breathing.
2. I have seen good singhs who have careers and love Guru Sahib much. That they do not eat any food daily wihout doing darshan of SatGuroo Jee daily. I have seen these very same singhs, being tired and falling asleep during their 2 hour naam abhiyaas at amrit wela. Meaning surtee slacking from Naam.
Can they be blamed? because their work lifestyle is taking a toll on them?
Perhaps you have more keerpa. Do ardass for the likes of us then. Cause we are in need of it.
For Naam to keep churning 24/7 one needs a proper amritwela(not affected by tiredness). Saying that "one can train their mind", is houmei.
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Becoming educated and working hard is a discipline, it is an admirable quality in any human being. You are seeing education and work in the perspective of status but I am viewing it in the way of sikhs being distinguished, hard-working and contributive. Vaheguru and Guru Sahib do admire these traits in a sikh because it is a quality of Vaheguru to help the world and be intellectual.
The Gurbani tuks you provided are very broad and can be applied in different ways but the meaning behind the tuks is do naam while living in the world. Guru Gobind Singh Jee encouraged sikhs to learn about other religions to gain knowledge. It is important to be knowledgable in the world so that we can challenge and represent our Guru in the highest form we possibly can- spiritually and worldly. If you really believe living a worldly life is meaningless, Guru Sahib would not have encouraged us to live in the world but to instead run away from all worldly affairs including marriage and kids because truthfully those are the biggest worldly affairs anyone can get themselves into due to the heavy responsibility.
You are saying that becoming a doctor makes you egotistical and greedy. This is a state of mind. This sounds similar to when Muslims tell women to wear a veil to help men control their lust. The focus should be on the mind and to conquer the mind while living in the world, not to be fearful and run away.
Technology has played a big part in improving our lifestyle, even sikhi-related. Technology has brought the sangat together - you using the forum, going to the gurdwara via car or using Sikhi related apps on your phone, are all thanks to people who have worked hard in these professions. If your child became ill, you would call a doctor to help your child become better. If it wasn’t for people going into these career paths, the human existence would probably be extinct. We Sikhs are living like a slave nation, running around in other people’s country without a home and relying on others to do the work for us and then we say non-sikhi lives are pointless. It is similar to the lazy culture the west has adopted and because of that, in England, they needed to bring in an embarrassing amount of foreigners to fill the jobs they were incapable of doing. Sikhs should never be in that embarrassing position.
while your ideas sound very logical. I saw none of it supported by Gurbani.
Do you work?
Current modern day working lifestyle is genuinely incompatible with those who want to engage Naam Abhiyaas. I speak from experience. The norm of being over worked and underpaid in modern day capatalist enviroment is something you have yet to endure.
Lets not even talk about the bad sangat vibe.
24/7 naam abhiyaas doesnt come easy to all either.
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Is there any evidence on this, or people are just getting excited on some fake rumor by a cheap tabloid for no reason?
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Guru Ji made two maryadas the nihang maryada and the taksali maryada... One is for a warrior lifestyle while the other is more suitable for gristi life... The hazur sahib maryada is the same as the nihang maryada..
that is the most PECULIAR thing I have heard so far in year 2015
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Asking socio-religious maryada(if amrit is given or not to one whose spouse is not ready yet for amrit) aspect to be proven based on gurbani is same as asking proving keski as kakar, naam dridh being valid vidhi from gurbani.
First ask right questions then we can talk.
Here akaali fauj veer has used similar arguments against keski in this thread based on logical/circumstances and maryada:
http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/76794-3-big-rehat-sikhi-question/
You obviously on a witch haunt based as i can tell. If you have issue with sant singh maskeen audio katha on this topic which i posted ealrier, take it up to source where he got the info from - dont shoot the messenger. I am sure since he was considered very famous khalsa panth ratan kathavachik- he wouldn't make blanket statements like that without any merit on this important topic- i consider some merit in his statement he made on this topic as he mentioned puratan akaal takth maryada, do research on puratan akaal takth maryada which i am assuming- buddha dal. As i said earlier, I leave up to readers to research and decide for themselves. I will try to dig further see where sant singh maskeen got akaal takth puratan maryada contents from. ...http://kam1825.podbean.com/e/can-someone-take-amrit-without-their-partner/
When NEO cant provide straight answers on his deviant views, then he uses trickery of distraction to "other issues".
You were the one advocating an Amrit Dhari marrying a 'sehajdhari'. You were asked to prove its permissibility as per Gurmat, but you couldn't. Period.
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84 and its impact?
in WHAT'S HAPPENING?
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I was asked this question in regards to 1984 & Bhindrawale by someone.
"The main reason behind Dharam Yudh Morcha was Anandpur Resolution(1973).
1) What did Bhindrawale managed to achieve before 84 or what was achieved for the Panth after 84 carnage/genocides(Darbar Sahib/Delhi etc.) ?
2) What were the positive outcomes? " (negatives: attack on Darbar Sahib, genocide of Sikhs, Sikh discrimination before 1984 turned to outright oppression after 84)
Can someone knowledgeable provide factual inputs?
Thanks