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now on the 17th NOT 10th

I also want to add that there is another Singhni who keeps faicial hair which is quite long. She once saw a singh with beautiful long dhari, and SHE THEN DID ARDAAS TO GURU JI TO BLESS HER WITH THAT DHARI TOO!! CHARDI KALA! Shes been blessed by Guru Ji. I agree with GuptKaur1 with the sangat thing, as sangat has a large effect on people. The best sangat to keep is of Naam Abhiyaasi Gursikhs, Naam and Bani. To constantly read bani is actually also doing sangat of Guru Ji and God. Even going to Ransbais and singing kirtan the whole night will save us as Gurbani states.

theres always one who cant keep away from the bibiah only thread! :rolleyes: Actually, I never go onto the bibia thread, this is the first because my sister showed me the topic. So HA HA! This is also the first I've been on sikhsangat after a very long time.

I'm a bibi. khu kbIr jYsy suMdr srUp ] nwm ibnw jYsy kubj kurUp ]3]25] Says Kabeer, without the Naam, the Name of the Lord, beautiful and handsome people are just ugly hunch-backs. ||3||25|| I just want to say that when I see girls that cut hair and wear make-up, etc they make me sick. They look fake and it looks like they're wearing a wig, as the hair on their head doesn't even look like its apart of their body. And their face, man, that looks like a perfect image of a clown!! Listen to this: When these Manmukhs first committed Paap/sin, which would be many previous births ago as human in another Yug, they brought their mind down to a lower level of thinking. This lower level of thinking is of the animal specie and this is why they are then reincarnated into the 8.4 million life forms, the last of them being Human form. Sometimes the manmukh is just incarnated as one animal depending on the last thought, e.g. having meat as last thought and so become a wolf in the next life. What I'm trying to say is that all these manmukhs that have been born as pigs, donkeys, dogs etc think they know what beauty is. They come into human form straight after being an animal and hurrily remove their hair from top to bottom and paint their faces, WHAT A JOKE! Japping a lot of Naam helps one see ghosts and spirits, and I can say when these manmukhs die and leave their human body they will see their true selfs and HOW UGLY, HIDEOUS and DEFORMED THEY LOOK. Guru Gobind Singh reached an angelic level of mind which is far superior then Vishnu, the prophets etc as he did Bhagti that gave him the Guns of God for him to do Joti jot with Akaal Purakh as he did. So his teachings come directly from God :D And only God knows what true beauty is. Guru Gobind Singh Ji could have given the name Singhni instead of Kaur, but he purposely gave Kaur/Princess to his Female Sikhs to show that I know the True divinity and beauty of a Princess and it is one who follows my Rehit. Just like in gurbani Guru Ji tells us what a True Street Dancer, Warrior, Pimp, Theif etc is. He always defines the Truth because his Realm is Truth, Saachkhand, and only the Truth and nothing but the Truth comes from there. Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji mentions that Manmukhs always have been copying each other, like a herd of sheeps. Bhai Sahib states that males imitate the image of female. Both genders are in a mad pursuit of beauty. Before, Bodily hair on male used to be normal but now media is making it look abnormal too. In this World of Maya, Manmukhs make it into reality, making all the things meaningless meaningful When, as Gurbani says, this human form and earth is only meant for the saints and bhagti of God. Unfortunately, 99% of the people in this world only realise that when they die. kuicl kurUip kunwir kulKnI ipr kw shju n jwinAw ] kuchil kuroop kunaar kulakhanee pir kaa sehaj n jaaniaa || She is filthy and ugly, unfeminine and ill-mannered - she has no intuitive understanding of her Husband Lord. These three things, Maya, Fear and Mayl (filth) of Sin weaken the people in this world so they forget about the Giver and become attached to the Given. kIqy kau myrY sMmwnY krxhwru iqRxu jwnY ] He looks upon the creation like a mountain of gold, and sees the Creator as a blade of grass. We really are Selfish, Ugly Thieves. All the three things mentioned above can be destroyed through Naam and Bani. Singing the Guns of God, eg Jaap Sahib, Akaal Ustat etc, we will develop those qualities and become like God. We become like the one we serve. For example, Bawan Akri is meant to detach us from Maya and attach us to God. All these bania have been created because we cannot do anything ourselves but only through Guru Ji. mqu jwx sih glI pwieAw ] math jaan sehi galee paaeiaa || Do not think that your Husband Lord can be obtained by mere words. mwl kY mwxY rUp kI soBw iequ ibDI jnmu gvwieAw ]1] rhwau ] maal kai maanai roop kee sobhaa eith bidhhee janam gavaaeiaa ||1|| rehaao || You are wasting this life in the pride of wealth and the splendor of beauty. ||1||Pause|| AYb qin ickVo iehu mnu mIfko kml kI swr nhI mUil pweI ] aib than chikarro eihu man meeddako kamal kee saar nehee mool paaee || The defect of the body which leads to sin is the mud puddle, and this mind is the frog, which does not appreciate the lotus flower at all. Bauru ausqwdu inq BwiKAw boly ikau bUJY jw nh buJweI ]2] bhour ousathaadh nith bhaakhiaa bolae kio boojhai jaa neh bujhaaee ||2|| The bumble bee is the teacher who continually teaches the lesson. But how can one understand, unless one is made to understand? ||2|| AwKxu sunxw paux kI bwxI iehu mnu rqw mwieAw ] aakhan sunanaa poun kee baanee eihu man rathaa maaeiaa || This speaking and listening is like the song of the wind, for those whose minds are colored by the love of Maya. Ksm kI ndir idlih pisMdy ijnI kir eyku iDAwieAw ]3] khasam kee nadhar dhilehi pasi(n)dhae jinee kar eaek dhhiaaeiaa ||3|| The Grace of the Master is bestowed upon those who meditate on Him alone. They are pleasing to His Heart. ||3|| God cannot be obtained by mere words, repeating his name and doing Kirtan while in love with Maya and yourself. The BIGGEST SACRIFICE OF LOVE IS MADE IN SIKHI where we give up all of our loves (ie Maya) for God. That’s what makes Sikhi special. For example, Mata Gulab Kaur was at first attached to her husband who told her to read bavan akhri and sukhmani sahib. But when he left this world, she turned her love to God instead. Through this, she became a saint. Her life story is written in bhai sahib randhir singhs biography. (if anyone wants to read it, I can put it up, just ask). After all the things that happened in 1984 and after, I would have thought both singhs and singhnis would have devoted their life more to God and taken it more seriously. Oh yeh, and those of you who keep on saying do ardaas, its not that simple. Firstly, if you have not taken Amrit, ie have Guru Nanak as your Guru, your ardaas won’t be heard by him, as he won’t recognise you. Secondly, you can’t expect Guru Ji to bless you if you haven’t served him, this isn’t how Worship of God works. You have to learn to become True Servants or just Don’t Take Amrit, if you cannot give your head. Prepare and work hard before taking amrit and learn and understand the importance of Amrit. Amrit is the first step and the first most easy rehat is to keep hair, which shouldnt be a problem for anyone. Sikhi goes much deeper than these worldly matters. Oh yeh, and someone said Sikhi is like licking a stone, yeah at first but this is the test of love which is the opposite of Maya, where we get the pleasure instantly from Maya, but for Naam and Bani it takes time and effort. BUT THE PLEASURES ARE REAL AND AMAZING! By the way I’m a Singh, he he. Gurfateh!!

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To G.Kaur, you said: You're completely wrong when you say that Yogis drinked this filth to focus their minds. Yogis condemn this act. If any did, they must be completely devoid of Yoga. read this, ---------------------------------------------------------------- Yogis do not touch alcohol, since they consider it to lower the vibrations of their subtle body (astral body). This defeats the purpose of yoga, which is to increase the vibrational level so they can gradually unfold their Higher Self. Yoga also considers alcohol to have an adverse effect on the central nervous system, and in particular the brain. The integrity of the central nervous system is considered very important by the yogis, since one of the goals of yoga is to improve the health of this system, and much of the progress of yoga is achieved via this vital communication system. -------------------------------------------------------------------- The whole purpose of Yoga is to be detached from this world and its pleasures; the mind being in an imbalanced state and lower form due to this is unable to connect/communicate with Spirituality, Reality, Soul and most importantly God. The Sidhs that Guru Nanak Dev Ji met and preached to (the discussion in the bani sidh ghost), were accomplished in yoga, and they speak of being detached from this world. Now, for a sikh it is exactly the same, but the only difference is that Guru Nanak Dev Ji told us to live in society/Maya and become renunciates here while living a gristi jeevan: nwnk nwmu visAw ijsu AMqir prvwxu igrsq audwsw jIau ]4]40]47] naanak naam vasiaa jis a(n)thar paravaan girasath oudhaasaa jeeo ||4||40||47|| O Nanak, if the Naam, the Name of the Lord, dwells within the mind, one is approved and accepted, who lives as a renunciate in a house-holder life. How can naam dwell in the heart/mind if: rsu suienw rsu rupw kwmix rsu prml kI vwsu ] [/size]The pleasures of gold and silver, the pleasures of women, the pleasure of the fragrance of sandalwood, rsu GoVy rsu syjw mMdr rsu mITw rsu mwsu ] the pleasure of horses, the pleasure of a soft bed in a palace, the pleasure of sweet treats and the pleasure of hearty meals eyqy rs srIr ky kY Git nwm invwsu ]2] -these pleasures of the human body are so numerous; how can the Naam, the Name of the Lord, find its dwelling in the heart? ||2|| And Finally, our goal as a sikh (student) is to attain the level of Gurmukh/khalsa: bwhir jwqO Twik rhwvY gurmuiK shij smwvY ]4] baahar jaatha t(h)aak rehaavai guramukh sehaj samaavai ||4|| The mind which wandered in external distractions is restrained and held in check; the Gurmukh is intuitively absorbed in God. ||4|| so igrhI so dwsu audwsI ijin gurmuiK Awpu pCwinAw ] so girehee so dhaas oudhaasee jin guramukh aap pashhaaniaa || He is a householder, he is a renunciate and God's slave, who, as Gurmukh, realizes his own self. This is the reason for why we are against alcohol since it is only there for its pleasure. Its meaningless. It is a corrupt pleasure. When one becomes Gurmukh all these pleasures in this world seem tasteless. Our aim is to leave every worldly pleasure and not just alcohol, and live within ones self where God resides. Everything created by God is an illusion only the Creator is the reality. Its either the creation or the creator: kIqy kau myrY sMmwnY krxhwru iqRxu jwnY ] keethae ko maerai sa(n)maanai karanehaar thrin jaanai || He looks upon the creation like a mountain of gold, and sees the Creator as a blade of grass. Hope that helped.

Whatever the panj pyara tell candidate taking amrit, he/she must keep that to themselves. unless you're saying we should be panj pyarai and start telling everyone the technique - think before you post. To the topic starter: Concentration on Naam isn't something we naturely have, we have to achieve it. Gurbani tells us we have to obtain single-minded concentration on Naam. You have to listen to what you're saying; do this at amritvela and try and do it with every breath 24/7. the concentration should come itself. just say you're japping naam, your mind wonders off, bring it back when you've realised that your concentration has gone off. Don't knowingly take it off concentration into another thought. remember listen to what you're saying, this is Gurmat YOGA. Budhs, Sidhs and Naths do exactly the same with their own mantar. Now to achieve this concentration read lots of bani before japping naam. choose whatever bani you want to read and always do that before japping naam. Bhai sahib randhir singh ji said its impossible to japp so much naam without reading alot of bani. also start doing kirtan (singing praises of God's gunn). finally, do ardaas to guru ji with a hazoori on to bless you with ik man ik chit on naam. ijn jipAw iek min iek iciq iqn lQw haumY Bwru ] jin japiaa eik man eik chith thin lathhaa houmai bhaar || Those who chant and meditate on Him, who single-mindedly focus their consciousness on Him, are rid of the burden of their ego. what is preventing you from concentrating on naam is your attachment to maya. Guru Ji says, spiritual wisdom is to eat less and sleep less. Movies, video games etc doesn't give one concentration instead it distorts it. becoming a renunciate in maya is the key to raj yog. AYsw koie ij duibDw mwir gvwvY ] aisaa koe j dhubidhhaa maar gavaavai || How rare is such a person, who kills and casts off duality. iesih mwir rwj jogu kmwvY ]1] rhwau ] eisehi maar raaj jog kamaavai ||1|| rehaao || Killing it, he attains Raja Yoga, the Yoga of meditation and success. ||1||Pause|| Hope that helped.

This isn't just my thinking its also baba harnam singh (rumpurkhera wala), Sant Narajin singh and so many other saint's thinking. Baba Harnam singh said Guru Ji disapproves of his sikhs watching tv/movies and sant narajan singh said God fearing people don't watch dramas/movies, dance and some other stuff. Did you know, gurbani tells us if we have even one interest at all in Maya when we die we have to be reborn. No one is allowed in saackhand with an attachment to maya. Sikhi is the highest and hardest religion to practice. It's similar to buddhism but harder. Oh yeh and I don't watch tv/movies. also, listening to radio programmes as long as it is news is fine. but let me guess what you're going to say now: news is maya too, lol - just make yourself sound stupid and say that. I want a place in saachkhand so I'd rather attach myself to gurbani and naam just like sant jarnail singh, baba deep singh, bhai sahib randhir singh, shaheed bhai fauja singh and countless others have done. OK. You can say what you like now, I aint gonna continue with this.

ok now wheter i y point of view is different. i like this post because atleast she think what she said. not just yelling and proving herself gurmukh and others manmukh. thanks Theres one thing that I've heard so many say, and it makes me laugh everytime: Guru Nanak talked to everyone whether manmukh or not so we should too. ACtually Guru Nanak stayed in religious company, whether muslim or hindu, as long as they were religious. He even kept a bata which only he and his sikhs used, not muslims or hindus. Now, when Guru Nanak stayed in bad company, he was especially in that company to liberate them, as they had a good previous life. But one mistake led them to becomin sinners in their next life, eg kunda rakhas, was a religious man in his previous life until making a wrong move which caused someone to curse him. Another thing, GURU NANAK HAD ALREADY BECOME GURMUKH SO HE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE UNEFFECTED BY MANMUKH COMPANY!! There comes a stage where one is uneffected by manmukh company. Here's a line from gurbani tellings us lower level beings to stay away from manmukhs: BTW: sakhat means worldly people/people who worship maya. Every manmukh worships maya. har saakath saethee sa(n)g n kareeahu oue maarae sirajanehaarae || O Lord, let me not be in the company of the faithless cynic, who is cursed by the Creator Lord. another: thae saakath chor jinaa naam visaariaa man thin kai nikatt n bhitteeai ||4|| Such faithless cynics, who have forgotten the Naam, are thieves. O my mind, do not even go near them. ||4|| another: har kae dhaas sio saakath nehee sa(n)g || The Lord's servant does not associate with the faithless cynic. Theres another shabad line which Kabeer ji says to run far away from the faithless cynic, he also says that before becoming a saint their company destroyed him. Bhai Gurdaas ji says: bhalaa buraa dhue sa(n)g subhaaeae ||14|| Because of the nature of the company kept, one becomes good or bad.(14) Remember that his bani is meant to be the key to understanding Sri Guru Granth SAHib ji. Also, singh-khalsa, you don't understand the wrong in bhangra, due to your mind state. If you bring it up to a higher level of consciousness then you will literally be able to feel the negativity and how filthy it is. Lastly, I mentioned rape and other major sins because when we keep on indulging in minor-maya (dancing, movies, video games etc) up to sin-maya, again and again in other lives, we gradually increase sin and our mind state becomes animal-like and we become rapists. The smallest of maya will attach us to more pleasurable mayas until we become rapists or killers. I could give you an example of someones previous life where he was a religious man until one mistake and whats he's become now but I can't.

*sigh* honestly man if u want to go an ur boi's r going like just go.. goin to 1 dance for 1 night wont be the end of the world.. sikhi doesnt say u cant have fun.. dont wry about it kid, jus goo an have funn... if ur parents will let u tht is =P LOLL WOW, reading gurbani, doing kirtan, doing seva, japping naam, doing good deeds must be boring, huh. Let me tell you who has fun - rapists have fun, peodophiles have fun, murderers have fun, theives have fun, drunks have fun especially after they accidently rape/kill someone, adulterers have fun too. Now these people enjoy these extremes mentioned due to enjoying the minor pleasures in life. There comes a life, in another, when one is eager to enjoy the extreme sinful pleasure as the ones mentioned above. In addition to this, Gurbani says use everytime to do good for youself and tells you in this ILLUSION and DREAM to remember REALITY!! Oh yeh and SIkhi tells us NOT TO HAVE FUN IN MAYA BUT TO TAKE THE TRUE PLEASURE OUT OF NAAM AND GURBANI. Whoever stops worshiping Maya and begins to devotely and truly worship GOD they should begin to experience THE HIDDEN PLEASURE FROM NAAM WHICH IS MORE FUN!! AND THE HIGHEST OF PLEASURES. GURU JI IS AGAINST SUCH ACTS - THIS SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR YOU TO NOT GO! It might seem alright while alive but when we die then it hits us. So if you still want to go, and this goes for any other so called "sikh", please take your DASTAAR OFF AND THEN GO. Don't dishonor and put to shame Guru Ji's Roop.

Why in hell are you listening to MANMUKHS. Dancing is against Gurmat. Here's another thing, gurbani tells us to stay away from manmukhs because in thier company we become blind. Dancing is an insane pleasure played with the body. Instead spend time reading gurbani and trying to understand Guru Ji's message. Also, you won't just feel uncomfortable there but you'll also look VERY STUPID, especially if you're DRESSED UP IN THE GURU'S IMAGE. If you want to dance, then dance with your mind and not with your body - Jap naam. nwcnu soie ju mn isau nwcY ] naachan soe j man sio naachai || He alone is a dancer, who dances with his mind. JUiT n pqIAY prcY swcY ] jhoot(h) n patheeai parachai saachai || The Lord is not satisfied with falsehood; He is pleased only with Truth. iesu mn Awgy pUrY qwl ] eis man aagae poorai thaal || So play the beat of the drum in the mind. iesu nwcn ky mn rKvwl ]2] eis naachan kae man rakhavaal ||2|| The Lord is the Protector of the dancer with such a mind. ||2|| WAKE UP AND REALISE THE REASON FOR WHY YOU'RE IN THIS HUMAN ROOP!