Jump to content

Deletedkp

Members
  • Posts

    167
  • Joined

  • Last visited

Posts posted by Deletedkp

  1. Stalin(and everyone else I listed) was an atheist. Stalin once said:

    "You know, they are fooling us, there is no God... all this talk of God is sheer nonsense"

    you have given a very long list of Islamic invasions wars spanning 1400 years of their long history which no doubt has caused a lot of death and suffering. But just one hundred years of atheist history beats that by leaps and bounds. The Indian saying:

    "Sau Sunaar Ki, Ek Lohaar Ki' fits this perfectly.

    Just one smash of the Lohaar is equal to a hundred small hits of a Sunaar. (Lohaar=Atheists and Sunaar=Muslims). 100 years of atheist history is many times more bloody than 1400 years of brutal Islamic history. No one can match the brutality of the atheists, not even the Muslims.

    Just one smash of the Lohaar is equal to a hundred small hits of a Sunaar. (Lohaar=Atheists and Sunaar=Muslims). 100 years of atheist history is many times more bloody than 1400 years of brutal Islamic history. No one can match the brutality of the atheists, not even the Muslims.

    Where did you get this from? This is based on your opinion not fact.

    So Islam is not a religion?

  2. Although this question was directed towards Super Kaur JI, but examples of mass murdering athiests, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jon II. Just one of these mass murdering athiests, Stalin has killed more human beings than all the extremist Muslim invaders combined. He killed more people than even Hitler and Gengish Khan

    Then we can make the same argument about religious leaders, Muhammed, who killed countless to achieve his goal. The great crusades, war in the name of God.

    The great invasion of Muslim empire across the east

    Here is the list of “religious wars”:

    Albigensian Crusade

    Almohad Conquest of Muslim Spain

    Anglo-Scottish War (1559–1560)

    Arab Conquest of Carthage

    Aragonese-Castilian War

    Aragonese-French War (1209–1213)

    First Bearnese Revolt

    Second Bearnese Revolt

    Third Bearnese Revolt

    First Bishop’s War

    Second Bishop’s War

    Raids of the Black Hundreds

    Bohemian Civil War (1465–1471)

    Bohemian Palatine War

    War in Bosnia

    Brabant Revolution

    Byzantine-Muslim War (633–642)

    Byzantine-Muslim War (645–656)

    Byzantine-Muslim War (688–679)

    Byzantine-Muslim War (698–718)

    Byzantine-Muslim War (739)

    Byzantine-Muslim War (741-752)

    Byzantine-Muslim War (778-783)

    Byzantine-Muslim War (797- 798)

    Byzantine-Muslim War (803-809)

    Byzantine-Muslim War (830-841)

    Byzantine-Muslim War (851–863)

    Byzantine-Muslim War (871–885)

    Byzantine-Muslim War (960–976)

    Byzantine-Muslim War (995–999)

    Camisards’ Rebellion

    Castilian Conquest of Toledo

    Charlemagne’s Invasion of Northern Spain

    Charlemagne’s War against the Saxons

    Count’s War, Covenanters’ Rebellion (1666)

    Covenanters’ Rebellion (1679)

    Covenanters’ Rebellion (1685)

    Crimean War

    First Crusade

    Second Crusade

    Third Crusade

    Fourth Crusade [Footnote reads “Just being generous here. See Chapter XII”]

    Fifth Crusade

    Sixth Crusade

    Seventh Crusade

    Eighth Crusade

    Ninth Crusade

    Crusader-Turkish Wars (1100–1146)

    Crusader-Turkish Wars (1272–1291)

    Danish-Estonian War

    German Civil War (1077–1106)

    Ghost Dance Uprising

    Siege of Granada

    First Iconoclastic War

    Second Iconoclastic War

    India-Pakistan Partition War

    Irish Tithe War

    Javanese invasion of Malacca

    Great Java War

    Kappel Wars

    Khurramite’s Revolt

    Lebanese Civil War

    Wars of the Lombard League

    Luccan-Florentine War

    Holy Wars of the Mad Mullah

    Maryland’s Religious War

    Mecca-Medina War

    Mexican Insurrections

    War of the Monks

    Mountain Meadows Massacre

    Revolt of Muqanna

    Crusade of Nicopolis

    Padri War

    Paulician War

    Persian Civil War (1500–1503)

    Portuguese-Moroccan War (1458–1471)

    Portuguese-Moroccan War (1578)

    Portuguese-Omani Wars in East Africa

    Rajput Rebellion against Aurangzeb

    Revolt in Ravenna

    First War of Religion

    Second War of Religion

    Third War of Religion

    Fourth War of Religion

    Fifth War of Religion

    Fifth War of Religion

    Sixth War of Religion

    Eighth War of Religion

    Ninth War of Religion

    Roman-Persian War (421–422)

    Roman- Persian War (441)

    Russo Turkish War (1877–1878)

    First Sacred War

    Second Sacred War

    Third Sacred War

    Saladin’s Holy War

    Schmalkaldic War

    Scottish Uprising against Mary of Guise

    Serbo- Turkish War

    Shimabara Revolt

    War of the Sonderbund

    Spanish Christian-Muslim War (912–928)

    Spanish Christian-Muslim War (977–997)

    Spanish Christian-Muslim War (1001–1031)

    Spanish Christian-Muslim War (1172–1212)

    Spanish Christian-Muslim War (1230–1248)

    Spanish Christian- Muslim War (1481–1492)

    Spanish Conquests in North Africa

    Swedish War

    Thirty Years War

    Transylvania-Hapsburg War

    Tukulor-French War

    Turko-Persian Wars

    United States War on Terror

    Vellore Mutiny

    Vjayanagar Wars

    First Villmergen War

    Second Villmergen War

    Visigothic-Frankish War.

    Stalin was not an atheist, he was a communist who strongly supported Russian orthodox church. When Lenin took power, first thing he did was to abolish power from the Russian orthodox church and Stalin was the one to reverse the decision.

    Just blaming these issues on just their believes as atheists is not valid. Yes, these people were atheists, I'm not denying that but it takes more to kill then just being an atheist.

  3. What of atheist extremists that are often part of western government's and corrupt atheist regimes that murdered millions over recent years in illegal unjust invasions and attacks?

    I think there is no difference between atheist extremists and abrahmic / islamic extremists both as violent mental as each other. And I noticed alot of indians are atheists by belief they dont believe in their fairy tales hinduism or ravidassism or other pagan cultist beliefs any more but believe in something called "hindu atheism".

    Superkaur, you have made a valid point but can you answer the following:

    Can you please give an example of an atheist extremists? And Which Western governments have they influenced?

    I didn’t know they had an upper hand in this matter.

  4. I'm not usually a violent person but i would slap any so called Sikhs face who claims Sikhs can marry non-sikhs and its in the religion to do so.

    These so called lily liberal hippys posing as Sikhs need to be ex-communisted from the faith and put on a blacklist so that all Sikhs can see what their views are and how they are deteredmind to decreasee our demographics by inter-faith weddings and relationships. May waheguru curse them and their families for daring to even suggest interfaith relationship with Sikhs is ok.

    Sikh females are particular vulnerable to grooming by non-sikh guys if they are brought up in a household where traditional Sikh values are not taught and where the izzat of a woman her self respect is not engrained in her. We need to be doing alot more converting Jewish, Christian and Muslim women into Sikhism because alot of them are following the vile abrahmic ideologies. Hindu women usually assimulate into Sikhi quite nicely thats why there isnt much an issue with marrying hindus however they need to be taught that kids will be raised as Sikhs and idol worship must be stopped if they marry a Sikh guy otherwise their kids become those lilly liberal hippy Sikhs that create the problem with inter-faith relationships we seem to have at present.

    If a person wants to marry a non-sikh they MUST convert must embrace Sikhism must raise their kids in the Sikh faith otherwise dont even try it or you will get a rejection from gurdwara commitee's. We need more vocal more proactive not decrease it because its only with being strong on these issues does our faith prosper when we go all lilly liberal then our community is the loosers and other damaging ideologies and sly faith communities are the winners in these outcomes.

    Ok, Conversion, how would a person convert to become a Sikh?

    Scenario:

    A Sikh gets married to a non Sikh. This Sikh has a Haircut, consumes meat and alcohol, very rarely visits the Gurdawara. Only getting married in the Gurdwara because mummy dear wants it. Would you define this person as a Sikh?

    So, this Sikh, wants to marry a non Sikh and they both marry in the Gurdwara. But, still, how would you define the non-Sikh has converted to the SIkh faith ?

    Will the non-Sikh be required to go through a ritual of some sort ( Currently the Sikh Dharam does not have a ritual in place). By calling yourself Kaur or Singh, does not make you a Sikh unless you have taken Amrit.

    If the conversion is easy as changing the name to include Kaur or SIngh, then for that day these individuals follow process. Everything is perfect, conversion is complete non-Sikh is a Sikh.

    So this Sikh and the non-Sikh (converted to a Sikh) are married. They carry on with their life as they did before, what you may consider as non Sikh like.

    Would you still define the newly converted Sikh to be a Sikh?

  5. what kind of evidence are you asking for? dna and finger print tests?

    Jonny-boy, writing claims as such:

    - The Akal Takht Jathedhar in 1919 gave a Siropa to General Dyer after the Amritsar Massacre and made him a honoury Sikh even though Dyer said he smoked and could not be a Sikh

    - At Nankana Sahib the Mahant carried out rapes of visitng pilgrims. He massacred non violent Sikhs when they tried to remove him.
    You need to back your claim with some credible source. Its the first thing you are taught when writing reports at school, also called referencing.
    Now, DNA and Finger prints tests may not be the correct form of evidence, regrading these claims.
    Hope you have learnt something today. Always a pleasure to help.
  6. That is an opinion many people have and thats ok. But keeping in mind his track record I would think 100 times before "giving him a chance".

    You guys might hate me for saying this, but I'll still say it. Every now and then we have someone or the other saying that Nehru cheated the Sikhs, then they name some other politician who cheated the Sikhs, and then another, and then another. We just keep naming one person after the other who we claim "cheated the Sikhs". Sorry for being honest, but do you guys realize what it makes us look like? If we are being cheated repeatedly for 67 years, then its not something wrong with those who wish to destroy us (they are doing their job quite well), its only us to blame.

    And having said that, I do not wish to continue to be cheated and so will not take another risk by putting my trust in someone like Modi.

    Bhul chuk maaf

    We can look at your point in another way and a question arises. Are Sikhs actually being cheated by the Indian leaders of the past and present?

    Mehtab SIngh, 67 years !!! Has it not hit home with the Sikhs that the issues may be internal.

  7. Pakistan Army never attacked any holy place of the Sikhs. Pakistani crowds never carried out a pre-planned ethnic genocide of Sikhs killing 1 Sikh per minute for 3 days non-stop. The killers of Sikhs in Pakistan are terrorists, not politicians, cops and soldiers.

    Mehtab Singh, There is no need for Pakistani army to carry out any attacks, the terrorist organisation within Pakistan are the government. As we have heard, Pakistani government have signed peace treaty with the Taliban or they are in negotiation in doing so . Now, if I'm not wrong aren't Taliban a terrorist organisation? Taliban like ISIS are an Islamic fundamentalist organisation, they want and will have the same role in Pakistan as Saudi Arabia, religious police. To keep the peace and to maintain power, the Pakistani government will allow the Taliban to have this role.

    As for India, we know the country is crumbling in its own issues. Instead of dealing with these issues the Indian Government of the past have brushed them under the carpet. But how much rubbish can you brush under the carpet till the pile is visible. This is the current state of India. India has a newly elected prime minister (Modi). Should we not give this man a chance to tackle this pile?

  8. The Sanatan group try to make out that everything was fine before the formation of the SGPC. Just a few facts of what it was like before the Akali movement ( real Sikhs at that time).

    The Akal Takht Jathedhar in 1919 gave a Siropa to General Dyer after the Amritsar Massacre and made him a honoury Sikh even though Dyer said he smoked and could not be a Sikh.

    At Nankana Sahib the Mahant carried out rapes of visitng pilgrims. He massacred non violent Sikhs when they tried to remove him.

    Idols were introduced into many Gurdwaras including the Darbar Sahib. On their removal the Mahants built the Durgiana Mandir in Amritsar to copy the Darbar Sahib and continue Sanatan activities.

    The SGPC was created to ensure that all Gurdwaras followed Sikh principles. The Sanatan Nihangs attack the SGPC because of this.

    However today the SGPC has been hijacked by the Badal clan acting in co operation with the BJP/RSS.That is the problem.

    Do you have any evidence backing your post?

  9. How do islamic and Christian TV channels fund themselves? They do it through advertising not begging for donations from their viewers and community.

    The only donations they ask for is when they need charity work or appeals in diaster relief or towards converting others to their faith.

    Sikh channels should shut down asap if they cant fund themselves through advertising and other good business models.

    Anyone who donates to any Sikh TV channel that doesnt listen to the sangats wishes and needs is a fool wasting their money.

    Very good questions.

    How do Islamic and Christian TV channels fund themselves? They do it through advertising not begging for donations from their viewers and community.

    That's not entirely correct, Islamic channels get majority of their funding from Saudi Arabia as it's the centre of Islam.

    Christianity, depending if its Catholics or Anglican, they will receive majority of their funding from Rome or Church of England

    Sikh channels should shut down asap if they cant fund themselves through advertising and other good business models.

    Well that’s completely up to you, they are free to air channels and are set up by charitable organisations. If you wish not to support them then you don’t have to watch them. I agree with you on this and I have stopped watching all Sikh related channels.

    Anyone who donates to any Sikh TV channel that doesnt listen to the sangats wishes and needs is a fool wasting their money.

    I agree, personally, I think SGPC should fund these channels.

  10. West London Singh. Do you understand what Muhammad’s Islam did to the Jews (History)? Do you understand, Hamas is not fighting for freedom of their land. Do you also know, people that represent Hamas are the same people who collaborated with Hitler in World war 2.

    Hamas want to destroy all Jews on earth. After Jews are gone then they will start on people like you and I. Hamas are not a political body, which wants freedom. They are using their own people as human shields. When the rockets are fired from Gaza, why are the rockets always fired from schools and Hospitals?

    I condemn the innocent killing but you answer me this, if you were having rockets fired on your house night and day would you just sit back and take it?

  11. WJKK WJKF

    Atleast she can stand up for other Muslims from foriegn lands, look at us "Sikhs" and how we react to other Sikhs from parts of the world. She was probably at the height of her career earning a really good salary, but chose to quit over principal. If only us "Sikhs" took a leaf out of her book, maybe we could do better on issues of ekta.

    Standing up for what? Western Muslims travelling to Syria and Iraq to fight for ISIS. Did she ever condemn these people? No, she briefly touched on the subject and blamed this on cultural misunderstandings. Warsi had the power to tackle the issue regarding extremist Islam by tackling the Imam’s and Muslim scholars who held talks on extremist ideology.

    Warsi's role was “Minister for Faith and communities”, this meant she represented all communities from different faiths, not just Muslim people. By her quitting this role, it just proves she was their to represent the Muslim community and she quit because she did not get her own way.

  12. This is a question for all the sikhs including myself are we really sikhs or just known to be sikhs. How is our relation going on with god? Do we meditate on GOD?

    OR

    WE are stuck in getting a different nation?

    Does every sikh understands Gurbani?

    Why do sikhs don't respect other religions? Whereas GURU sahib respected every religion.

    And What is the difference between sikh(us) and "SIKH" in this shabad-

    ਮਃ ੪ ॥

    Ma 4 ||

    मः ४ ॥

    Fourth Mehl:

    1 ਪੰ. ੧੬

    Ang:305 Line: 16

    ਗੁਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਜੋ ਸਿਖੁ ਅਖਾਏ ਸੁ ਭਲਕੇ ਉਠਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥

    Gur Sathigur Kaa Jo Sikh Akhaaeae S Bhalakae Outh Har Naam Dhhiaavai ||

    गुर सतिगुर का जो सिखु अखाए सु भलके उठि हरि नामु धिआवै ॥

    One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru the True Guru shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord's Name.

    2 ਗਉੜੀ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ:੧ (ਮ: ੪) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੫ ਪੰ. ੧੬

    Raag Gauri Guru Ram Das Ang:305 Line: 16

    ਉਦਮੁ ਕਰੇ ਭਲਕੇ ਪਰਭਾਤੀ ਇਸਨਾਨੁ ਕਰੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਰਿ ਨਾਵੈ ॥

    Oudham Karae Bhalakae Parabhaathee Eisanaan Karae Anmrith Sar Naavai ||

    उदमु करे भलके परभाती इसनानु करे अम्रित सरि नावै ॥

    Upon arising early in the morning, he is to bathe, and cleanse himself in the pool of nectar.

    3 ਗਉੜੀ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ:੧ (ਮ: ੪) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੫ ਪੰ. ੧੭

    Raag Gauri Guru Ram Das Ang:305 Line: 17

    ਉਪਦੇਸਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਪੁ ਜਾਪੈ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਪਾਪ ਦੋਖ ਲਹਿ ਜਾਵੈ ॥

    Oupadhaes Guroo Har Har Jap Jaapai Sabh Kilavikh Paap Dhokh Lehi Jaavai ||

    उपदेसि गुरू हरि हरि जपु जापै सभि किलविख पाप दोख लहि जावै ॥

    Following the Instructions of the Guru, he is to chant the Name of the Lord, Har, Har. All sins, misdeeds and negativity shall be erased.

    4 ਗਉੜੀ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ:੧ (ਮ: ੪) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੫ ਪੰ. ੧੮

    Raag Gauri Guru Ram Das Ang:305 Line: 18

    ਫਿਰਿ ਚੜੈ ਦਿਵਸੁ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਗਾਵੈ ਬਹਦਿਆ ਉਠਦਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥

    Fir Charrai Dhivas Gurabaanee Gaavai Behadhiaa Outhadhiaa Har Naam Dhhiaavai ||

    फिरि चड़ै दिवसु गुरबाणी गावै बहदिआ उठदिआ हरि नामु धिआवै ॥

    Then, at the rising of the sun, he is to sing Gurbani; whether sitting down or standing up, he is to meditate on the Lord's Name.

    5 ਗਉੜੀ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ:੧ (ਮ: ੪) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੫ ਪੰ. ੧੮

    Raag Gauri Guru Ram Das Ang:305 Line: 18

    ਜੋ ਸਾਸਿ ਗਿਰਾਸਿ ਧਿਆਏ ਮੇਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਸੋ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥

    Jo Saas Giraas Dhhiaaeae Maeraa Har Har So Gurasikh Guroo Man Bhaavai ||

    जो सासि गिरासि धिआए मेरा हरि हरि सो गुरसिखु गुरू मनि भावै ॥

    One who meditates on my Lord, Har, Har, with every breath and every morsel of food - that GurSikh becomes pleasing to the Guru's Mind.

    6 ਗਉੜੀ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ:੧ (ਮ: ੪) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੫ ਪੰ. ੧੯

    Raag Gauri Guru Ram Das Ang:305 Line: 19

    ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਦਇਆਲੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਮੇਰਾ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਤਿਸੁ ਗੁਰਸਿਖ ਗੁਰੂ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਸੁਣਾਵੈ ॥

    Jis No Dhaeiaal Hovai Maeraa Suaamee This Gurasikh Guroo Oupadhaes Sunaavai ||

    जिस नो दइआलु होवै मेरा सुआमी तिसु गुरसिख गुरू उपदेसु सुणावै ॥

    That person, unto whom my Lord and Master is kind and compassionate - upon that GurSikh, the Guru's Teachings are bestowed.

    7 ਗਉੜੀ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ:੧ (ਮ: ੪) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੩੦੬ ਪੰ. ੧

    Raag Gauri Guru Ram Das Ang:306 Line: 1

    ਜਨੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਧੂੜਿ ਮੰਗੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਗੁਰਸਿਖ ਕੀ ਜੋ ਆਪਿ ਜਪੈ ਅਵਰਹ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ ॥੨॥

    I am sorry if have said anything wrong.

    Excellent post

  13. Its funny how quickly the attention has turned away from Iraq, Syria and Libya. There is still fighting going on in these countries, we are talking about 1000's and 1000's of innocent people getting murdered every day.

    It shows how the media can control the world and their outlook on what’s going on.

    Perfect for all the Muslims out there, think about it. Lets not show Muslims killing Muslims (Shia V Sunni), Lets turn our attention to the common enemy of the Muslims, the Jews.

    Who do you think is controling this, selective broadcasting.

  14. These guys are even lower than prostitutes ...jitte paise milde othe matha tekkde han ... and they encourage our gullible kids that it's OK ...to do this and drink, and ogle women and trim gurroop ....ehejey nu mu kala karke kothe utthe sher di chakr kudinah chahida

    What has this got to do with Sikh religion, they are Punjabi Bahangra Singers not Punjabi Sikh Singers. Just because the guy is wearing a turban doesn't make you a Sikh.

  15. 1) Oil pipe line from caspian sea through to afghanistan to sea ports for easy transportation unto ships

    It was a Gas line.

    2) Heroin and other drugs made from Afghanistan is a very lucatrice trade, remember the british went to war with china over opium during the days of the british empire. They wanted the chinese users hooked and taxed on the drug they were pedaling to their intoxicated victims. The british traders grew very rich from abusing many nations. And to this day they along with NATO nations are not about to give up this covertly controlled trade.

    You talking about history, Opium can be grown anywhere, you don’t need to invade a country for this reason.

    3) Thorium a radioactive element that afghanistan is rich in. It is cleaner than uranium and it can make afghanistan rich or anyone who controls afghanistan.


    And guess who else is rich in thorium? INDIA! which has the largest resources of it..... and so will the west want to invade / break up India in the near future or will they use their swiss bank account brought proxy puppet politicians to ship out the riches to the west?

    Afghanistan was becoming a hub for all militant Islamic activities, so learning from history, the two world wars. The western governments had to do something and invasion of Afghanistan was a must before it become too strong.

    Invasion of India is very unlikely, there nothing to gain. It’s very expensive and west has huge amount of investment in India, which will not be a viable option. Personally, India will implode, the country cannot be governed. The Indian citizen themselves want leave the country.

    Don’t worry friend; you don’t need to worry about invasion of any one in the near future.

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

Terms of Use