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Wow what an explanation. Very rarely have I come across an explanation that highlights so much in such few words.

Lets get a few things straight here... I dont think you have watched or listened to the video properly, there is a part in this video where this Granthi talks about the night him and his uncle got a beating in the Gurudwara, he talks about how they went for a drinking session in bexley and how a somalian kebab shop owner let them eat in the back room as they were sikh. He then talks about coming home on the train and trying to talk his uncle (Suba Singh) out of going back to the gurudwara as they had been drinking. He then talks about how Suba ignored his advice and they both went back to the Gurudwara where 2 singhs got suspicious when they noticed the Granthis coming back at 11pm on Sat night dressed in Shirts/Trousers. These Singhs then called the Granthis over and must have smelled alcohol then took care of the situation in the way they thought was right. If you listen to the video you will realise these are no longer allegations this is from the horses mouth. So now you have your proof. Now a question to ask yourselves... 1. Why did the committee members that know he was drunk and smelled alcohol that night now say that he wasnt. 2. If he says himself they had been drinking why did the hospital tests show he wasnt - probably because there were no tests 3. Why have the committee members been backing up these Granthis for the last month when everyone of them knows that they drink 4. Why was this Granthi at the gurudwara on Sunday doing Kirthan over a month after this incident 5. Why was there a collection set up for these so called innocent Granthis rather than having them removed from the premises This is a sad state of affairs and shows just how low people will go for there own political gain. So would you say what these Granthi did was Paap and that they are Paapi? Well I say the people that backed up these Granthi, spread false rumours and arranged collections for them knowing they were drunk have done Maha Paap and their actions are as bad if not worse than the Granthis. As for the people that believed the false rumours and put money towards their collection without questioning any of this, I think the shame from the above video should be enough punishment for them. As for the 2 singhs that taught them that drinking alcohol and coming into our Gurudwara will not be tolerated. I thank you for doing what the majority of other people would turn a blind eye to and showing our community that we will not put up with this behaviour on these holy premises.

Thanks but i already emailed these guys but no reply.

I would like to know which Ragis and Kirtan Jatha from india will be in the UK in May 2011, can anyone tell me where I can get this information. Thanks in advance

Sri Nabh Kamal Raja Sahibji was a Puran Brahmgyani whos sole message to his followers was to do Naam Simran. "Is this Sikh Samprada?" - from the sentence above you make your mind up. Putting links to videos made by his followers is not going to give you a true picture of his message, but will show the love and devotion people show to him and whether you think this is "Sikh Samprada" is down to your interpretation aswell as theirs. Not sure what your intention is but if its to start a Mahapursh/Sant nindya thread then you may want to do some research before you join the papi brigade.

No, I am not creating any quotes. These are the words of Dasam Patshah Ji Himself. And I already mentioned that earlier that they are not from Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I am not using them to back up my thoughts, just stating what Gurujee has stated, thats all. 'these quotes are the words of Dasam Patshah Ji himself' - if you say so Mehtab then it must be true. Maybe you should find out where these quotes actually come from before making statements like that. If your right then alls fine but what do you think the consequences could be if your wrong. Think of the people that could be led astray. Back up your quotes!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Correct, agreed.I also agree with you. I am not sure about Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj, but as per my limited knowledge, Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj did say "Raj Bina Neh Dharam Chale Hain, Dharam Bina Sab Daley Maley Hain", and "Koi Kisi Ko Raj Nah Deh Hai, Jo Leh Hai Nijj Bal Se Lai Hain".Where do you get these quotes from? again I doubt these quotes are from Guru Granth Sahibji, you seem to be taking quotes from anywhere just to backup your what you want to think. Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!! Way to go, awesome example!!!! Just because someone disagrees with you regarding Khalistan then he must fall into one of the following categories Hindu, Muslim, Sharabi/druggy, Bollywood film lover, uneducated, unsikh, Mona, basically not Sikh I dont live in India but visit there once or twice a year, I have never come across family, friends or to that mind anyone that is asking for Khalistan or is talking about being oppressed. Its only in the UK or Canada that I hear this type of talk. Mostly young Sikhs in the UK/Canada who think Sikhism is all about 1984. "Our Guru is Guru Granth Sahibji" they say but where does Maharaj talk about Khalistan or any other political issues. Its the first time I have come across these 52 Hukams of Guru Gobind Singhji but it seems everytime someone needs to back up their own ideas they seem to pull quotes out from all sorts of sources yet they only mann "Sri Guru Granth Sahibji". Oh and I forgot to mention I dont watch bollywood films I dont get time, but I bet youve seen more than me.

If Guru Gobing Singhji wanted Khalistan he would have created it. Guruji wanted to fight oppression and allow Hindus to practice Hinduism and Muslims to practice Islam. Sikhism is about the brotherhood of man not segregating itself from everyone else. Please tell me where it says one of Guru Gobind Singh Jis hukams is to Rule Independently. Ill tell you one thing it wont be in Shri Guru Granth Sahibji anywhere.

The majority of the people going to Haridwar are not going to Haridwar to throw water at the sun as you have stated, they are going to do shnaan at the holy river. They are also going to do darshan of Sant and Sadh as this is what they have probably been told to do by their religion just as it tells us in SGGSji. Me as a Sikh do not see anything wrong in this at all as I have been lucky enough to do shnaan at Darbar Sahib, Hemkunt Sahib and many other spiritual places. You probably have aswell but are too afraid to say just incase people start thinking your a hindu.

Ask yourself the following questions:- Have I ever been to Amritsar to do shnaan? What about Hemkunt Sahib? If you havent maybe you should! if your lucky someone will do your Nindya!

He has achieved Nindya from nindaks which will help him move forward on his journey.

I used the train for the first time last year (delhi to Ludhiana) and would recommend the first class ticket which cost me 1000 rps. I booked the ticket online from the UK and collected my tickets before boarding, you just show your passport as ID when picking them up.

Todays Hukamnama talks about serving the saints aswell as finding the essence of the lord through the Saadh Sangat... TODEE, FIFTH MEHL: Without understanding, his coming into the world is useless. He puts on various ornaments and many decorations, but it is like dressing a corpse. || Pause || With great effort and exertion, the miser works to gather in the riches of Maya. He does not give anything in charity or generosity, and he does not serve the Saints; his wealth does not do him any good at all. || 1 || The soul-bride puts on her ornaments, embellishes her bed, and fashions decorations. But if she does not obtain the company of her Husband Lord, the sight of these decorations only brings her pain. || 2 || The man works all day long, threshing the husks with the pestle. He is depressed, like a forced laborer, and so he is of no use to his own home. || 3 || But when God shows His Mercy and Grace, He implants the Naam, the Name of the Lord, within the heart. Search the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, O Nanak, and find the sublime essence of the Lord. || 4 || 2 || 4 ||

Great post, just want to add my two pence worth. My understanding is this... The object is to do naam simran to increase your kamai to help fight the 5 evils (Kahm, Krodh, Lobh, Moh, Hankaar). A Sant, Giani, Bhagat is someone who has chosen to meditate on gods name and build there kamai to fight the 5 evils, think of them as on the right journey/path. Theyre main priority is naam simran, theyre job is naam simran. What you got to understand is that sants are suseptible to the 5 evils and they use naam simran to keep these under control. When you hear of sants doing bad things its usually when theyre concentration has come away from simran and let in the evils or when theyre kamai has got to a level where theyre hankaar takes over. Unfortunately this is just human nature very similar to how a poor person can change from a nice caring person to a self rightoues, selfish <banned word filter activated> once they strike it rich. There also the fake sants/babas that start off on the intention of ripping people off and using people to their advantage. They have and never had any interest in simran just other agendas. Recent years we have had Katha vajak (people whos job it is to do Katha, this is their job), they are wrong fully labelled Babas, Sants, Brahmgiani etc because they explain gurbani well and seem to or do have a good understanding of Gurbani. The majority of these (not all) are doing this as part of their job similar to you and me going to work to earn money, when these people do something bad it becomes another fake baba story giving the Nindaks the fuel they need to light theyre Nindya fires. A Brahmgiani, Puran Sant is someone who over many lifetimes have done theyre simran and overcome the 5 evils and are in theyre last human form. Thats why in the sukhmani Sahibji Sri Guru Arjan Devji has said Brahmgyani aap parmeshwar as the last post rightfully said they are attuned to God and are god themselves. They are above the 5 evils and these cant come near them. My advice is stay away from the Nindaks and dont do nindya as you dont know the kamai of the person next to you let alone the sant/baba you are doing nindya of. Will I ever get darshan of a Brahmgiani? - Only if I have the honesty and Kamai will a brahmgiani give me the privilage of darshan, the only way we can increase the chances are by staying away from the 5 evils and doing naam simran and praying to go of his darshan.

I think your Guru could answer this question...It might be time that you stopped only bowing down to your Guru and started listening to them aswell.