Puraatan

If there was a huge building made somewhere in India, like Delhi or perhaps Punjab, or where there is a prominent/sizable Sikh population, what could it be used for in order to do Sikhi parchar to youth and children, or generally Sikhs of all ages? Like there is Badal's controversial Viraasat-E-Khalsa, but that promotes a lot of Punjabi culture. This should be just for Sikhi as a way to do parchar? What would you do in the building or put in there (if Sikhs got together and built such a huge building)? Ideas? Please discuss...

Dadu Wala himself even admitted to this on the Sikh Channel - live! I will try to see if any recordings of the discussion show are on You Tube maybe, but I'm sure many others on this forum will have watched the programme as well. It is well known before anyway and was stated before a few times on this forum, but even Dadu Wala has admitted himself now.

Many will have seen that in a live discussion show last night, 25th September 2011 on the Sikh Channel, Baba Baljit Singh Dadu Wala has officially and openly admitted having meetings with Sukhbir Badal of Akali Dal and Paramjit Sarna of the Delhi Gurdwara Parbandak Committee. He also gave both these enemies of the Panth a siropa!!! He admitted they have both also visited his dera.

The live show was hosted by Raghbir Singh of the International Panthic Dal (made by Badal's poodle Jasbir Singh Rode and Dadu Wale) and in the panel was just Dadu Sahib and a Singh from his jatha.

For the last few days people have been debating this rumour cannot be true as Dadu Sahib portrays himself as a "Panthic" leader, but a caller on Sangat TV also made this accusation in a live discussion show on that channel (he was however cut-off by Sangat TV at that time). It was after this when Raghbir Singh asked Baljit Singh Dadu Wala in Sikh Channels show last night whether this accusation was true.

Dadu Wala admitted he had meetings with Sukhbir Badal and Sarna. He tried to cover this after by saying it was for "Panthic issues" etc, which is ridiculous!!! Why behind closed doors? Why was this not made public at a date prior to when the sangat questioned him about this?

In regards to Sarna, it a well known fact he has been very close to Sarna for some time, which was shown last night, but he even tried to boast on live television the "good work" Sarna has done which is better than the SGPC and that Sarna is better etc etc etc. He was showing his love for that Panth enemy on live air. Both SGPC and Sarna are bad, but Sarna is pure POISON and much worse than even the SGPC!

What a sad state of affairs...so-called Sikh leader...not a Sant, just a good politician. The lies are being exposed slowly automatically. The links in the chain are all connected, all are working together. Making foos out of the sangat. Corruption. Deciet. This is FACT.

But I think Amrik Singh Gill (and JOga Singh)has mistakes on his hands as well like sharing stage with Badal people and Akal takht Jathedar at Sangat TV anniversary.

But please be aware of Sangat TV unless it distances from Badal's clan.

In regards to that, also see the below post by another member:

Randhir Singh said that Sangat TV is dedicated to Sri Akal Takhat Sahib as it is the highest institution in the Sikh Panth. Also everyone seems to be jumping up and down about the Akal Takhat Jathedar coming to the anniversary programme but no one is aware that after the programme in darbar sahib, the Jathedar met with all the Singhs in the Gurdwara office and answered all the questions which were put to him. Bhai Kuldeep Singh Chaheru and Bhai Joga Singh were very vocal in describing their disappointment in the role of the Jathedar in the whole Vienna case. Just because something does not happen in front of everyone doesnt mean it does not happen at all..

IF ANYTHING, it is the likes of Dadu Wale who we need to be aware of. He not only shares a stage with Badal people, he gave Sukhbir Badal a siropa along with Sarna (he has openly admitted this today on Sikh Channel). He also is close with Dhumma who is Badals puppet. He is close with Jasbir Rode as they both set up the International Panthic Dal and we all know Rode is a sell-out who recently joined forces with Badal. Raghbir Singh of International Panthic Dal is the one who calls over Dadu Wala to the UK. It is all linked together. Dadu Wala not only shares stages with them, but is best freinds with many of Badals close associates, not to mention actually giving siropeh to Badal Junior and Sarna.

Baljit Singh Dadu Wale is a good politician. His actions and the future will reveal his real intentions imho. Bhai Amrik Singh Ajnala on the other hand is a different story and is just a genuine Gursikh doing Sewa for the panth, clear from politics and pakhand of trying to make a false panthic image of himself. At least Bhai Ajnala does not have closed door meetings with Badal and Sarna.

Very good news if BBC have given coverage as well. That will hopefully give Sikhs a positive image. Well done on that front!

I believe people are saying around 2,000-3,000 people attended. Someone on Sikh Channel live at the event said over 3,000 people. If it wasn't for the controversy, this is still a good number as you don't need high numbers for such an event to create awareness outside the Houses of Parliament. June rally you obviously need high numbers as that is a proper march through central London.

Thanks for the detailed update and information Harmindersingh. The press coverage from BBC sounds very positive if this has happened. I agree with your points that both channels have been at fault, but it was that Sikh Channel discussion show when OPEN slander was done of the individuals you have named above which put me off and many others off. Also, Dadu Sahib did not need to know any background information about people sitting in a studio and naming certain leaders and slandering work of old organisations. It is common sense that is wrong and the words that were being used were wrong. Plus Sikh Channel made all the arrangements to call over Dadu Sahib and Raghbir Singh must have been in very regular contact with Dadu Sahib, so he will have been aware of the controversy over the last two weeks. In fact, Dadu Sahib even said during a telephone call-in from India a few days before that discussion show that "Sikh Channel should not listen to anyone else and carry on with D-Day" and he "makes an appeal to all jathebandia to get on board" - that is basically what was said. He was aware of everything. I have great sympathy for Dr Sadhu Singh who has got caught in the middle of this, he obviously had very good intentions and so did Gurnam Singh. They are not at fault. Even Mr Bal is probably not that bad, but it was the presenter that day and the panel who had a hidden agenda backed by a very bad set of audience from the International Panthic Dal. They should apologise. Please note that I am not personally against Sikh Channel (even Dr Sadhu Singh apologised that perhaps Sikh Channel should have had meetings with Sikh leaders about the event at an earlier date - very good of him) - it is just that particular discussion show and those in it that made matters a 100 times worse for everyone.

Thanks for the update GurSa Singh. At least it all went well.

Thanks for the update GurSa Singh. At least it all went well.

The leaders have brought a bad name to the avastha of Sant. They're doing nindiya by calling themselves Sants.

You are right. It is like someone said yesterday on a call on Sangat TV that the path of a Sant is very difficult and there is no point calling yourself a Sant if you can not walk on the path (he was referring to Dadu Sahib Wale sitting there on Sikh Channel while nindya of panthic leaders was going on, when he should have stopped them and not encouraged them).

...and Dhumma? All the above is FACT and NOT NINDYA. Nindya is stating false rumours and making false accusations. Stating fact that is open in the public is not nindya. I'm not against Sants at all (in fact I respect those that do a lot of good like Dhadrian Wale etc), just against these sell-outs who like you say have brought a bad name to the avastha of a Sant. I cannot stand sell-outs and politicians disguised as Sants.

Is Sant Samaj corrupt? See the following topic:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/Index.php?/topic/63386-sant-samaj-isnt-corrupt-its-leadership-is-like-akal-thakht-taksal-akali-dal-etc-international-panthic-dal-dhumma-rode-dadu-wale-all-same/

This issue was being discussed (off-topic) in another thread and I thought a seperate thread should be started with the information below to discuss this and state all the FACTS that clearly expose the reaility. The post below states all the facts (not nindya) which are important for every Sikh to be aware of.

Sant Samaj isn't corrupt. Its leadership is. (like Akal Thakht, Taksal, Akali Dal etc)

International Panthic Dal, Dhumma, Rode, Dadu Wale - all same!

Sant Samaj, the once respected organisation of Sikhs for many years, is no longer independent. This is sad news.

Yes, there are still genuine good Sants in there who are doing good, BUT, its LEADERSHIP has been corrupted and bought out by the corrupt leaders and masters of the Shiromani Akali Dal. It can no longer make indepedent decisions, hence the reason the likes of Dhadrian Wale Sant Ji and some others have distanced themselves from Sant Samaj, Dhumma etc. The chain of events and links give a clear picture of what has been happening behind the scenes and what is going on. It is a sad state of affairs and dangerous politics are at play in an attempt to fool Sikhs......

-Baba Harnam Singh Dhumma of Taksal (always been a shady character) is now openly supporting Badal and allied with Akali Dal (currently under the influence of RSS) in the SGPC elections, along with others like Hari Singh Randhawa (was respected, but often rumoured to be working with Government - now that is true as well). Dhumma is "president" of Sant Samaj. Fact.

-Jasbir Singh Rode (ex Jathedar of Akal Thakht and nephew of Sant Jarnail Singh Ji), another traitor who people always said was a sell-out for years but did not show his true colours openly until recently when he joined forces with Badal and BJP - is a close associate of Dhumma and Baba Baljit Singh Dadu Wale. Fact.

-Jasbir Singh Rode has fell out with all UK jathebandia as he said they would need to support Badal in elections, but jathebandia did not agree with this to support the enemies of the Sikhs (RSS controls BJP which controls Akali Dal in the current times). 25 years of relationship with Rode down the drain. After this, Jasbir Singh Rode (who at that time was and is openly supporting Badal) sets up the International Panthic Dal with the support and assistance of Baba Baljit Singh Dadu Wala. Fact.

-The recently made International Panthic Dal positions itself to "compete" with old established Panthic jathebandia and takes on board ex-members of jathebandia who left the Sikh movement years ago, along with the primary backing of Baljit Singh Dadu Wale. Fact. Dadu Wale is a well-known close associate of Panth enemy Paramjit Sarna of the Delhi Gurdwara Parbandak Committee. Sarna has been involved in activities such as giving a siropa to the grandson of the evil enemy of Sikhs, Lala Jagat Narain (he was assasinated by Jujharoo Singhs years ago). This is fact.

-Main UK rep of International Panthic Dal is Raghbir Singh (was excommunicated out the UK jathebandia and Awaze Kaum newspaper for alleged links to Indian Government years ago and he has up until recently been keeping a low profile over the years). Raghbir Singh calls over Dadu Wale fom India to the UK regularly and Dadu Wale stays with him, as was openly said on Sikh Channel. Raghbir Singh is now openly supporting Rode since Rode joined forces with Badal Government. Fact.

-Dadu Wale brought a recording of Dhumma and Jasbir Rode from India recently to support D-Day and this was played on Sikh Channel in the discussion show a few days ago. Baljit Singh Dadu Wale is behind and openly supporting International Panthic Dal on Sikh Channel and Raghbir Singh says on stage at D-Day that International Panthic Dal is backed by Jasbir Singh Rode. Raghbir Singh makes an appeal to all sangat at D-Day and on live television that everyone needs to become members of International Panthic Dal so that they can swiftly establish a new leadership of the Panth for the future. Disgusting. This is all fact and not rumour.

This clearly shows that in one way or another, the leadership of Sant Samaj which is Dhumma (therefore current leadership of Taksal at Mehta as well) and Hari Singh Randhawa, Jasbir Singh Rode, Baba Baljit Singh Dadu Wale, International Panthic Dal are all under the control of Akali Dal and working with Badal (who is in alliance with BJP which is the partner of the RSS). This is pure fact and there are no two ways about it. There is some very dangerous politics at play behind the scenes by haters of the Khalsa.

"Working with Badal to get inside and make a difference" etc are all lame excuses. It is greatly unfortunate that Badal is now in control of most Puraatan jathebandia in India as well as the new International Panthic Dal, specifically and obviously being established to make splits in the Panth and for Badal (along with BJP/RSS) to keep infiltrating and having his say in international Sikh affairs as well as affairs in India.

The Sant Samaj itself has been and will be respected. For years it has done so much good and so many Puraatan Sants were in it once (like Sant Isher Singh Ji Rare Wale, Sant Isher Singh Ji Nanaksar Wale, Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindranwale, Sant Baba Kartar Singh Ji Bhindranwale, Harkowale Sant etc). It's just that the current leadership has been corrupted and the organisation is inflitrated by panth enemies, but it will always be respected for its history. This is the same case with Damdami Taksal, Taksal will forever be respected, but its current leadership is sold out. This will not always be the case and the true Jathedar will one day take over Mehta. The same with Akal Thakht, just because the current Jathedar is not right, does not mean Akat Thakht will not be respected. Jathedars will come and go, Akal Thakht will remain. Even with the Akali Dal, it was once truly the Panthic party of the Sikhs, a political voice for the Khalsa, but its leadership has become corrupt. In the same way, the Badal family will not remain forever.

One day Sant Samaj will also re-claim its independence (and so will Taksal, Akal Thakht, Akali Dal etc). Such people who are involved in the above cannot expect to fool Sikhs forever, the truth will continue to be exposed. On one hand they claim to work for Khalistan and obtain justice, on the other hand they are working openly with Badal or closely with Badals right-hand men! This is not nindya. This is pure fact as outlined above. Shame on all the characters mentioned above, all proud sell-outs!

Maharaj Mehar Karan! Guru Gobind Singh Ji is watching all that is happening!

The traitors will be exposed and the enemies shall be dealt with by Dharam Raj!

Just wanted to know on what basis you are speaking for most of the youth. Most I have spoken with are supportive. Furthermore wouldn't it just be easier to not attend Dastar Day if you don't agree with the way it was initiated.

Not speaking on behalf of all the youth. However, it was clear there wasn't much youth there.

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't think any of the main youth jathebandia supported the event or attended it like BOSS, Sikh Youth Project, Young Sikhs, Babbar group, AKJ youth, Taksal youth, Satkaar campaign sewadars, etc etc etc??? Correct me if I'm wrong but in general it looked like a large group of older Singhs and bibiya.

At least its all done and went well.

Why didn't sangat tv do anything about this when they invited Jathedar to UK.

How many opportunities do UK sangat get to ask Singh Sahib questions face to face?

We do not need a speech from Singh Sahib but to ask him questions.

The recent visit from Singh Sahib was a great opportunity to ask Singh Sahib face to face what he is doing about beadbi, why does he support Badal.................

This opportunity has now been wasted.

I agree with you on this point. Sangat TV and Sikh leaders may have made a mistake here (everyone makes a mistake sometime), perhaps if they felt it would not be sensible to ask him in front of media (which it probably was), they shoud have asked him away from the camera in a meeting. I think they probably thought the Jathedar came to congratulate Sangat TV and it would not be right to go "off-topic" when some one has come to see you. Or maybe they did have a closed door meeting? I'm sure there was A LOT of people who wanted to question the Jathedar, but something must have stopped them.

But doesn't matter, the above I think will happen anyway as the Jathedar will get pressure if everyone works together. Jathedar will be looking for such balle balle" lol and this will be an opportunity for him, but also good for Sikhs. Sorry to topic poster if we have gone a little off-topic, apologies for that.

There some references to "should" and "apparently" in the original post above.

Before we prematurely jump up and down with joy will the official SFUK or SCUK or whoever wants the credit to take the time out to release this in the form of Professional Communication to the Sikh Coummunity and European Press. Otherwise it's just more hearsay and frankly we're sick of all the half truths being communicated to the sangat on Sangat TV or Sikh Channel!

Statement from Sikh Council is in this topic - http://www.sikhsangat.com/Index.php?/topic/63383-sikh-council-press-release-meeting-with-italian-embassy-on-friday-23-sept/#entry513450

If one money bache (kid) wearing dastar (turban) for first time today at this event decides to keep wearing dastar and maintain kesh this event has been successful and should be held annually.

I agree totally with that point!

Not that much Sangat has turned up at d-day from the looks of it. Definately no where near the amount of Sangat that turns up to the June event, it's like 15% of that, but that doesn't matter. Speeches are all mostly in Punjabi as well and doesn't look like much awareness is being created at all. However, a good effort by Sikh Channel and good work. At least the event has happened peacefully and it is all good and at least Sikh Channel made an effort to do something (although perhaps not the right approcah in my opinion, but that is my opinion). Hopefully everyone can work together in the future and everyone will be freinds again now!

Also, unfortunately "Bob Singh" (nornally with "Kamalroop") of the anti panthic Niddar Nang crew managed to get the opportunity to speak on the stage, that was very dissapointing!

Rest were okay I think.

Been watching some of it live on Sikh Channel at relatives house, couldn't make it.

Not that much Sangat has turned up at d-day from the looks of it. Definately no where near the amount of Sangat that turns up to the June event, it's like 15% of that, but that doesn't matter. Speeches are all mostly in Punjabi as well and doesn't look like much awareness is being created at all. However, a good effort by Sikh Channel and good work. At least the event has happened peacefully and it is all good and at least Sikh Channel made an effort to do something (although perhaps not the right approcah in my opinion, but that is my opinion). Hopefully everyone can work together in the future and everyone will be freinds again now!

Also, unfortunately "Bob Singh" (nornally with "Kamalroop") of the anti panthic Niddar Nang crew managed to get the opportunity to speak on the stage, that was very dissapointing!

Rest were okay I think.

Now this is what I call good solid hard work and ACTION like puraatan times, not just all talk. I applaud this move by Dhadrian Wale Sant Ji. All Sikh channels, newspapers and Gurdwara committees need to be supporting this and taking action now.

Not that much Sangat has turned up at d-day from the looks of it. Definately no where near the amount of Sangat that turns up to the June event, it's like 15% of that, but that doesn't matter. Speeches are all mostly in Punjabi as well and doesn't look like much awareness is being created at all. However, a good effort by Sikh Channel and good work. At least the event has happened peacefully and it is all good and at least Sikh Channel made an effort to do something (although perhaps not the right approcah in my opinion, but that is my opinion). Hopefully everyone can work together in the future and everyone will be freinds again now!

Also, unfortunately "Bob Singh" (nornally with "Kamalroop") of the anti panthic Niddar Nang crew managed to get the opportunity to speak on the stage, that was very dissapointing!

Rest were okay I think.

Sikh Channel discussion show the other day was the worst thing ever, before that it wasn't that bad because presenters are normally unbiased and don't let panel or audience take it too far, but this time Sikh Channel presenter was involved and watched, along with Dadu Wala. That is what made it worse. At least it's all finally over now.

Not that much Sangat has turned up at d-day from the looks of it. Definately no where near the amount of Sangat that turns up to the June event, it's like 15% of that, but that doesn't matter. Speeches are all mostly in Punjabi as well and doesn't look like much awareness is being created at all. However, a good effort by Sikh Channel and good work. At least the event has happened peacefully and it is all good and at least Sikh Channel made an effort to do something (although perhaps not the right approcah in my opinion, but that is my opinion). Hopefully everyone can work together in the future and everyone will be freinds again now!

Also, unfortunately "Bob Singh" (nornally with "Kamalroop") of the anti panthic Niddar Nang crew managed to get the opportunity to speak on the stage, that was very dissapointing!

Rest were okay I think.

Thanks for the info.

Not that much Sangat has turned up at d-day from the looks of it. Definately no where near the amount of Sangat that turns up to the June event, it's like 15% of that, but that doesn't matter. Speeches are all mostly in Punjabi as well and doesn't look like much awareness is being created at all. However, a good effort by Sikh Channel and good work. At least the event has happened peacefully and it is all good and at least Sikh Channel made an effort to do something (although perhaps not the right approcah in my opinion, but that is my opinion). Hopefully everyone can work together in the future and everyone will be freinds again now!

Also, unfortunately "Bob Singh" (nornally with "Kamalroop") of the anti panthic Niddar Nang crew managed to get the opportunity to speak on the stage, that was very dissapointing!

Rest were okay I think.

Sikh Federation strikes again!! Congratulations!

I know that the amount of work that has gone into this has been absolutely huge. I'm grateful to the unpaid, unexpensed sevadaars who pay thousands every year out of their own pockets for the privelage to serve the panth. The panth is eternally grateful, even if others may take all the credit.

I agree as well.

Not that much Sangat has turned up at d-day from the looks of it. Definately no where near the amount of Sangat that turns up to the June event, it's like 15% of that, but that doesn't matter. Speeches are all mostly in Punjabi as well and doesn't look like much awareness is being created at all. However, a good effort by Sikh Channel and good work. At least the event has happened peacefully and it is all good and at least Sikh Channel made an effort to do something (although perhaps not the right approcah in my opinion, but that is my opinion). Hopefully everyone can work together in the future and everyone will be freinds again now!

Also, unfortunately "Bob Singh" (nornally with "Kamalroop") of the anti panthic Niddar Nang crew managed to get the opportunity to speak on the stage, that was very dissapointing!

Rest were okay I think.

Sikh Youth need to be fit and healthy like the PURAATAN Singhs and then get jobs like this that would do the image and identity of Sikhs around the world a lot of good.