Puraatan

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This topic and the voting poll will be brought to the attention of the Sikh Channel management, but we must email them as well to show them what the MAJORITY of Sikhs and the Sikh youth want and what their views are. The Sikh Channel will listen if this is done. We must not allow anti panthic views, forces and people to get their presence in the channel.

EVERYONE MUST POLITELY REQUEST THE SIKH CHANNEL TO REPEAT 1984 BBC DOCUMENTRY DISCUSSION SHOW AND PRODUCE A NEW 1984 DOCUMENTRY Please vote in the above three polls that will be forwarded to the MANAGEMENT of the SIKH CHANNEL. When (or will) the Sikh Channel be repeating the discussion show about the biased BBC documentry (Broadcast on BBC1 at 10.55pm on Sunday 10 January 2010 called "The Sikh Story: 1984") as many English people, non-Sikhs and non-practising Sikhs want to see the youth discussion show that followed on Monday 11 January 2010 because it was in English and put across some good points to counter attack the false information spread by the BBC documentry??? Everyone should email and phone the Sikh Channel and tell them to advertise & promote, then put on the repeat of the discussion show so EVERYONE can watch it. If everyone is aware in advance and it is well advertised to come on at a prime time, then texts etc can also be sent around to English freinds who watched it (such as people at work who have now got a twisted view of Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindranwale). The Sikh Channel should do this quickly now and then in the near future they must also produce a NEW unbiased documentry in English similar to the BBC one but telling the SIKH story and not the views of the Indian Government. They must promote and advertise that broadcast to be aired at a prime time very well as well so that everyone is aware in advance (especially the non-practising Sikhs and English people). Let's all contact the Sikh Channel NOW! Call the Sikh Channel on 0121 380 1050 or Email the following addresses and people: info@sikhchannel.tv ds.bal@sikhchannel.tv jagjit.singh@sikhchannel.tv jagmohan@sikhchannel.tv gursevak@sikhchannel.tv or http://www.sikhchann...new/contact.php The Sikh Channel also need to play speeches or katha of Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale and other mahapursh's of the past as well as present. They need to openly promote Dasam Granth Sahib Ji and get rid of their internal forces that tried to make them do anti Panthic things in the past. Apart from that, Sikh Channel are doing a good job and need to keep improving their PANTHIC stance, to not listen to modern day scholars and missionarys who haven't a clue what they on about, but at the PURAATAN ways and views propogated by Sants of the past and present! Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa! Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

When or will the Sikh Channel be repeating the discussion show about the biased documentary as many English people, non-Sikhs and non-practising Sikhs want to see it because it was in English and put across some good points to counter attack the false information spread by the BBC???

Sarna is a traitor who is worse than Badal.

Puraatan ji, you may find it interesting to note by Bhai Ravinder Singh Ji of Khalsa Aid has be told to stop working with Sikh Missionary Ludhiana because "you should only work with sants and babas." The children that are unable to attend school due to poverty, parents hooked to drugs or taken astray by dehdarhi Gurus Ashutosh as being helped with basic needs by Khalsa Aid with the support of Sikh Missionary Ludhiana who provide various materials for Sikhi education but Khalsa Aid is pestered to stop working with the Missionary College. Seva is done becuase there is a need and should be niskam,(Selfless) without motive and not please a Sant or Baba. What "Fake" Seva has BSSF ever undertook. gagan-47 ji, thanks for your input in this topic. Firstly, nothing has been said about Khalsa Aid, they seem to be doing a good job, my post was directed at bssf, and not in a negative way. Sorry if it sounded like that. I did not quite understand what you mean by the Missionary College? Can you explain that more clearly, are you saying that Khalsa Aid work with the Missionary College? Look forward to your reply.

Inder Singh is spot on. The heretics are getting very angry because their masters are being exposed. This forum will hopefully remain to be PANTHIC and respect the PURAATAN traditions of the Guru's, not no modern wannabe "scholars".

Texts are being sent around everywhere of the following PANTHIC event, true to PURAATAN traditions: Mahan Smagam Sri Dasam Granth Akhand Paat Sahib & Darbar 15 January 2010 - Arambh Sri Dasam Granth Akhand Paath 17 January 2010 - Bhog & Darbar at 4pm Gurdwara Baba Sang Smethwick Birmingham Everyone should go and support! Forward this message to all!

In recent weeks a number of Sikh organisations have issued statements to oppose changes to the Nanakshahi Calendar. The Sikh Federation (UK) wanted changes to the Calendar. There has been criticism of the Calendar since its introduction. The Sikh Federation (UK) wanted changes to bring an end to the criticism and restore Panthic unity, but maintain the separate Nanakshahi Calendar for the Sikh Nation. We have therefore applauded the decision. We have expressed our concerns to the time taken to reach a consensus decision and the methods used to make the final decision. This shows the whole system needs to be reformed. But one thing is for certain ordinary Sikhs have the utmost respect for the Akaal Takht as an institution so the amended Nanakshai Calendar will quickly become universally accepted. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Times of India are rumnning a story on the views of Sikhs in the Diaspora: Some of the questions posed are: Was the Sikh community of UK happy with the original format of NC implemented in 2003 at Damdama Sahib or the community wanted certain changes? Did the Sikhs living abroad sent their objections, if any , to SGPC or Akal Takht office? What are the major objections, if any? Are the changes made in NC acceptable to the Sikhs living abroad? Any dissatisfaction among community over the method adopted to make changes? Why there is so much hue and cry from various splinter Sikh groups who claims that none of the Sikh living abroad would accept the amendments? Which are the party, according to you, have political and vested interests? Is the controversy over now? The Times of India would like quotes from three to four Sikhs, young and old on the issue. Please email these to info@sikhfederation.com in the next 1 hour. This is a VERY GOOD move by Sikh Federation UK to support the long over due change in the calendar. Only the non established so-called "Sikh" organisations in UK will oppose this move (and go against Dasam Granth Sahib) like the gold medal vale kulwant dhesi and tarsem deol of the so-called two band group British Sikh Council, or punjabi singer award vala Manmohan Singh's one-man Dal Khalsa UK who are only good for giving out paper statements against Dasam Granth Sahib (and supporting punjabi singers lol). These rogue modern day scholar doubting type organisations are not part of SIKHS as they do not accept PURAATAN traditions but would much rather side with the views and people like the omlet eating nutty professor darshan and the kala afgana lobby type. http://www.sikhsanga...ends-of-akj-uk/ - It looks like AKJ UK have also joined the anti panthic groups (gone against the teachings of Brehgiani Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji) along with "Raghbir Singh, Avtar Singh Sanghera, Seva Singh Laali, Gurmej Singh Gill, Onkar Singh, Joga Singh, Kulwant Singh Dhesi, Balbir Singh, Tarlochan Singh, Rajinder Singh Purewal, Jaspal Singh Satvinder Singh, Nirmal Singh, Raghbir Singh, Je Pee Singh". This is TRULY a SAD day for UK SIKHS. To stay PANTHIC the Sikh Federation really really need to stay away from the above groups and people and Kuldip Singh Chaheru needs to clear his own stance as well which I will not bother to go into. I think a leading organisation like Sikh Federation UK in england also need to clear their stance by a press release (like they did with the calendar issue) on whether they are in support of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Dasam Granth Sahib BANI, and therefore the views of SANT BREHMGIANIS like SANT BABA JARNAIL SINGH JI BHINDRANWALE (or Sant Kartar Singh Ji or Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji or Sant Isher Singh Ji or Baba Nand Singh Ji, or even Sants of today like Dhadrianwale Sant and even the founder of AKJ Brehmgiani Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji) would they and all other REAL SIKH ORGANISATIONS rather follow these GURMUKHS OR would they rather follow modern day scholar missionary type doubters like the above and the the Kala Afghana lobby and professor chele lot! Keep up good work Sikh Fed uk! Dont fall for any pressure exerted by any of the above names people and organisations - stay independent and stay true to PURAATAN sikh traditions! (p.s. I dont think my English is good enough for any quotes you asked for above lollll?? Someone else??) In North America at the moment. Around 6 months ago or perhaps longer the Sikh Federation (UK) took out a full page advert (someone may wish to check Awaze Qaum and scan in) clearing its position and on its 100% support for the Dassam Granth and that it will not tolerate parchar against the Dassam Granth. Over 100 Sikh organisations and Gurdwaras from the USA, Canada and UK are taking out a large advert in Ajit in the next day or two before Ragi Darshan Singh is due to appear on 7 January 2010. Again the Sikh Federation (UK), youth organisations (e.g. BOSS, Kauragous, Young Sikhs UK) etc.) and associated Gurdwaras are taking the lead in the UK. Others are at best silent or worse going against the Akaal Takht as an institution - again the main issue appears to be the position on Dassam Granth. Can someone make clear if the 6 'organisations' that make up Federation of Sikh Organisations (FSO) have made their position clear. From the posts it appears AKJ (and Govt in Exile - Gurmej Singh Gill and Seva Singh Laali) and Dal Khalsa (Manmohan Singh) are against Dassam Granth, SFUK as an organisation 100% support the Dassam Granth - not sure about others - SAD (Mann), Council of Khalistan (Amrik Singh). This will highlight to the relevant youth the challenge SFUK face each year in the FSO - primarily re: June demo (turnout for 15 Aug and 26 Jan is usually low). The YOUTH need to come forward and recognise the reality of the situation. My own personal view based upon what I have read is the two co-ordinators of the FSO (Kuldip Singh Chaheru and Joga Singh) are using the FSO beyond the purpose it was craeted for - namely the 3 events - 26 Jan, 15 August and June demos. SFUK and the youth need to think long and hard on the stance they wish to take! Have met Singhs from AKJ (Canada) and AKJ (USA) - they seem to be at loggerheads with AKJ UK on this issue. BOLEE SO NIHAAAL!!!! SATSRIAKAAAL!!!! Sikh Fed is remaining PANTHIC!!! Slap on the face of other so-called ACTIVE organisations who do nothing anyway lol. The majority of the FSO from the looks of it are a waste of time, backward "samose eating type" so-called leaders that have failed. Manmohan Singh (Samosa vale) and co, Dhesi, Deol etc are all traitors I'm afraid to say. Only good for announcing gold medals for punjabi singers or writing paper statements against Dasam Granth or how they attended an event and their one-man band "jathedar" did a speech lol. Any leader going against Dasam Granth or Sants and parcharaks, ARE NOT SIKHS. Any organisation doing the same is not a SIKH ORGANISATION. Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji's BANI - DASAM GRANTH SAHIB JI!!!

singh987 - ANOTHER NINDAK trying to pretend he does not go against Sants or Dhadrian Wale but in reality is spitting venom like a snake and false propaganda. Seen Dhadrian wale preparing in the car!!!! LOL!!! What a joker. Many of you haters have come and gone under different disguises, we would be grateful if you do not share your twisted views as well! Everyone else - no point in trying to knock sense into venom spitters like singh987 trying to comment on the avasta of those like DHADRIAN WALE SANT, what a joker trying to say who is a real Sant or not! Leave the dogs to bark, the more you speak back to them, the more rubbish they will bark back. Leave this pointless topic here. Full stop.

Hardeep Singh - it was only a question lol. Kulwant Dhesi has lost his REPUTATION as anyone who may have portrayed himself as a panthic sewadar - from supporting babbu maan by announcing a gold medal, to supporting professor darshan singh, to going against Dasam Granth - he has become a MESS. AKJ (UK) - http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php/topic/49497-gurnindaks-are-new-friends-of-akj-uk/ - I am dissapointed and so is the PANTH!

Well that is good. If you carry on doing real Sewa like this and remain PANTHIC and true to PURAATAN traditions and support Sants and parcharaks, then you will slowly start to get more and more respect as an organisation.

Everyone upload all the videos on your you tube accounts and spread photos are far and wide as possible!

Well that is good. If you carry on doing real Sewa like this and remain PANTHIC and true to PURAATAN traditions and support Sants and parcharaks, then you will slowly start to get more and more respect as an organisation.

LOL, firstly I went under quality control when I first started posting on this PANTHIC FORUM because I (like some others) kept on typing in capitals and larger writing when I was new and did no better. In fact, I didnt even know or realise I wasnt SUPPOSED to? I was foolish to have done so. Thank you for pointing this out now as I didnt even remember this but now that I have gotten used to how to post on this forum properly now, I hope the mods will consider putting me back to normal again? DEAR MODS, PLEASE CONSIDER LOL?? I assure you "Southall Youth" my views have nothing to do with it as it is all FACT! SO NOW you are trying to attack Sikh fed uk which we all now organise everything and have biggest influence in uk panthic politics stuff? The mods need to watch you lol. Do not try to defame the real PANTHIC groups who actually do have some following and do something in their own respective ways, be it Sikh Fed, BOSS, gnnsj, damdami taksal, akj, dhadrian wale, others sants, nanaksar, rara sahib etc instead of the paper based dasam granth haters and haters of the PURAATAN ways like dal khalsa uk or bristish sikh council - all only good for paper statements to support heretic views. Also I think there has already been discussion by some people on the forum earlier about the FEW and NEW followers Manmohan Singh has got in Southall lol - no comment, a few youth people turning up to a march does not count as SEWA or make Dal Khalsa better than Sikh Fed, Sewa is those who do everything behind the scenes and not write a paper statement every few months (or make a You Tube video) lol. Please do not try to big up your own Jatha over another without reason. I must admit I have not been to all the June marches every year (missed this year and last as well) but I will try to come next time its organised by Sikh Fed.

In recent weeks a number of Sikh organisations have issued statements to oppose changes to the Nanakshahi Calendar. The Sikh Federation (UK) wanted changes to the Calendar. There has been criticism of the Calendar since its introduction. The Sikh Federation (UK) wanted changes to bring an end to the criticism and restore Panthic unity, but maintain the separate Nanakshahi Calendar for the Sikh Nation. We have therefore applauded the decision. We have expressed our concerns to the time taken to reach a consensus decision and the methods used to make the final decision. This shows the whole system needs to be reformed. But one thing is for certain ordinary Sikhs have the utmost respect for the Akaal Takht as an institution so the amended Nanakshai Calendar will quickly become universally accepted. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Times of India are rumnning a story on the views of Sikhs in the Diaspora: Some of the questions posed are: Was the Sikh community of UK happy with the original format of NC implemented in 2003 at Damdama Sahib or the community wanted certain changes? Did the Sikhs living abroad sent their objections, if any , to SGPC or Akal Takht office? What are the major objections, if any? Are the changes made in NC acceptable to the Sikhs living abroad? Any dissatisfaction among community over the method adopted to make changes? Why there is so much hue and cry from various splinter Sikh groups who claims that none of the Sikh living abroad would accept the amendments? Which are the party, according to you, have political and vested interests? Is the controversy over now? The Times of India would like quotes from three to four Sikhs, young and old on the issue. Please email these to info@sikhfederation.com in the next 1 hour. This is a VERY GOOD move by Sikh Federation UK to support the long over due change in the calendar. Only the non established so-called "Sikh" organisations in UK will oppose this move (and go against Dasam Granth Sahib) like the gold medal vale kulwant dhesi and tarsem deol of the so-called two band group British Sikh Council, or punjabi singer award vala Manmohan Singh's one-man Dal Khalsa UK who are only good for giving out paper statements against Dasam Granth Sahib (and supporting punjabi singers lol). These rogue modern day scholar doubting type organisations are not part of SIKHS as they do not accept PURAATAN traditions but would much rather side with the views and people like the omlet eating nutty professor darshan and the kala afgana lobby type. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php/topic/49497-gurnindaks-are-new-friends-of-akj-uk/ - It looks like AKJ UK have also joined the anti panthic groups (gone against the teachings of Brehgiani Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji) along with "Raghbir Singh, Avtar Singh Sanghera, Seva Singh Laali, Gurmej Singh Gill, Onkar Singh, Joga Singh, Kulwant Singh Dhesi, Balbir Singh, Tarlochan Singh, Rajinder Singh Purewal, Jaspal Singh Satvinder Singh, Nirmal Singh, Raghbir Singh, Je Pee Singh". This is TRULY a SAD day for UK SIKHS. To stay PANTHIC the Sikh Federation really really need to stay away from the above groups and people and Kuldip Singh Chaheru needs to clear his own stance as well which I will not bother to go into. I think a leading organisation like Sikh Federation UK in england also need to clear their stance by a press release (like they did with the calendar issue) on whether they are in support of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Dasam Granth Sahib BANI, and therefore the views of SANT BREHMGIANIS like SANT BABA JARNAIL SINGH JI BHINDRANWALE (or Sant Kartar Singh Ji or Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji or Sant Isher Singh Ji or Baba Nand Singh Ji, or even Sants of today like Dhadrianwale Sant and even the founder of AKJ Brehmgiani Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji) would they and all other REAL SIKH ORGANISATIONS rather follow these GURMUKHS OR would they rather follow modern day scholar missionary type doubters like the above and the the Kala Afghana lobby and professor chele lot! Keep up good work Sikh Fed uk! Dont fall for any pressure exerted by any of the above names people and organisations - stay independent and stay true to PURAATAN sikh traditions! (p.s. I dont think my English is good enough for any quotes you asked for above lollll?? Someone else??)

This is so chardi kala, I agree its the right way to kickstart the new year. Khalistan Zindabad!

LIKEWISE! Excellent move FINALLY, we will notice that only the missionary doubting type will and have tried to oppose this move. Most if nto all ESTABLISHED Sikh jathebandi's and PURAATAN sanstha's will be happy with this (oh, and the ones who dont like the word Sant will still oppose it even if they know they are wrong to do so, and of course the gold medal award wale above lol). Purewal in Canada lol - what a joke he was???

Good work. Sant Jarnail Singh Ji was truly a BREHMGIANI. Everyone who respects Sant Ji and believes in their bachans should ALSO respect Sant Ji's views and beliefs (which were 100% accurate - true to PURAATAN traditions).

The plans of this TRAITOR go back along time. Reading the article above makes my blood boil with rage. EVERY SIKH should read this and forward it to all. This ragi darshan has damaged Sikhi, the panth and the Khalistan movement so much that it is unbelievable. He has been a sly snake spitting venom in the background for decades, planning his attack. He was a sell out, a set up by the enemies. He will BURN in the pits of HELL for this treachery!

They should go to every panthic Gurdwara in the UK and do Katha on the greatness of Dasam Granth Sahib. Also, they with the help of all SIKHS and everyone should try to promote prakash of Dasam Granth Sahib in every Gurdwara like PURAATAN times. But if this were to happen, everyone needs to be warned that there could be further private nindya meetings and texts sent around to gather the haters lol.

to spend more time on sikhsangat =) lol lol yeah, okay, I will add that to my list as well then. SPEND MORE TIME ON SIKH SANGAT!

This looks like a good programme and everyone should go. but can you please confirm the role of Kulwant Singh Dhesi at this Gurdwara (Singh Sabha Cross Roads Coventry)? I have heard he is a part of the committee there or something? Is this true? Thanks!!

Who is Joga Singh or which one is he and have you got a photo of him? Thanks!! Any update on the above question noor singh bhaji?

No you can't. They take a few clips from here and there and use then to try and promote their own agenda. Complete speeches have never been aired on any station so far, except Amritbani a few times. Forget Punjab Radio, Bandars are bumchums with darshan ragi Exactly. Panjab Radio just only VERY RARELY put on a speech and only a few clips from it that they select to promote their own agenda and to try and make themselves look "panthic". Otherwise they go against everything Sant Ji stood for and believed in. No one should support Panjab Radio until they get rid of the twisted missionarys who work there and stop promoting twisted views and twisted people who go against Sikhi. Sikh Channel will eventually have to start playing Sant Ji speeches or katha, I hope they will.