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Gurfateh

Bhai sukha singh has alot of grear kirtan/katha on this link:

http://sikhroots.com...a+singh&x=0&y=0

http://sikhvibes.com...+singh&x=3&y=12

http://www.rajkaregakhalsa.net/audio/index.php?f=%2FKirtan%2FBhai+Sukha+Singh&q=f

And all the shastar naam mala and dasam bani was on g5sikhmedia, I will upload it later if you have not found it.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Ask what your looking for in this thread, instead of creating lots of separete ones its amazing , i know :D

Sikho in light of the 25th anniversary we are working on a series on sant jarnail singh (don't worry we are going through all the saints)

What we need to know is any katha and articles etc where sant ji is mentioned please let us know

we have only managed to find giani thakur singh sant da jeevan

So please can you post any related katha and articles please.

Vids

Baba Ranjit Singh Southall-sample

http://www.youtube.com/user/KhalsaPanthMovement#play/user/BFB9E6B874D62402

Baba Ranjit Singh Vaheguru Simran Its still processing so quality will change in five minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGmYwrFrBzI

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

If the links are slow just go to the main site www.youtube.com/user/khalsapanthmovement

Lets Talk About It Khalistan and Punjab Debate-in seven parts:

http://www.youtube.c...0911A55D0EE5349

Dastar (Turban) Tying- Dumalla Style 2

Baba Ranjit Singh Southall-sample

http://www.youtube.c...FB9E6B874D62402

Baba Ranjit Singh Vaheguru Simran Its still processing so quality will change in five minutes.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=BGmYwrFrBzI

Hopefully there will be an AKJ Amrit Sanchar in the UK soon.

Khalsa ji may guru sahib bless you on this path, there are alot of knowledgable (if thats how you spell it lol) gursikhs on this site so please don't hesitate to ask them any questions.

With regard to shakking amrit, humble benti is to- when your ready just take it from any punj pyare, gursikha it doesn't matter if they belong to x y z jatha lets not underestimate the power of Guru's Roop, when your going to take it just say maharaj I want to give my head to you now it don't care where it is just find me punj pyare! Lol

This is what baba ranjit singh highlighted in his diwan, sikhi is simple khalsa ji its people like me who make it complicated. :D

Good luck on your jeevan!

Gurfateh!

I completely agree with you ji, its just it was Sant Ranjit singh who said go to AKJ because they do naam abhias. Not that hes a part of it, it was just because i asked about Saas Graas simran and he was like take amrit from AKJ they do Naam Abhias! Sorry if i made it sound like i was undermiming all other panj piare. that was the only reason but thankyou for your good point!

Singh sahib Im glad you did not take my post offensively its great that your able to consider other peoples point of view and I think Ranjit singh was just recommending you a place and did not imply its the only place.

Here is two rely good posts by guru maneyo granth and sukhdeep singh

GuruManeyoGranth, on Jul 21 2009, 01:55 PM, said:

All Panj Pyarae teach Abhilaakhis how to Jup and DriR Naam. Maharaaj Jee blesses Abhilaakhis with Naam. Naam is not restricted only to AKJ. The daat of Naam resides with Guru-Roop Panj Pyarae, who are Tyaar-Bar-Tyaar Singhs. If you want the daat of Naam, beg before Maharaaj Jee to give you the gift of Amrit Naam.

Waheguroo

Sukhdeep Singh

Im glad you have pointed out that Naam Drir can only be given by Guru- Roop Panj Pyaarey, and mentioning this techinique is not restricted only to AKJ. This is so true. There are other Gupt groups that do Panj Pyaarey Seva and give Naam Drir. AKJ happens to be the group that are more publically known for this.

So Hope that may of changed your mind.

What an amazing tour!!!

Notice how Baba Ji is bringing ekta! GO Rehnsbais and taksaali programs! Don't argue over jathebandhis.

Can't wait till the next time they do a tour here.

Exactly veerji and we should go to any gurmat-orientated programs

Remember guys, the Khalsa does not hate any community or religion. In fact the Khalsa doesn't hate ANYONE for that matter. Our fight is against tyrants only, even if they wear the 5 kakaars outwardly.

Anti Hindu people need to read ''The Gallant Defender'' wherein a HINDU exmagistrate vocally takes the Sikh side in describing the events around 1984. Painting everyone in a community with the same brush is the mark of an ignorant fool.

Exceptions are always there.

this dosnt apply when your father is guru gobind singh ji and when your grandfather gave his life to protect the the same community from extinction that you seem to hate.

Brilliant posts Singho

I think this shabad says it all

pRBwqI ]

prabhaathee ||

Prabhaatee:

Avil Alh nUru aupwieAw kudriq ky sB bMdy ]

aval aleh noor oupaaeiaa kudharath kae sabh ba(n)dhae ||

First, Allah created the Light; then, by His Creative Power, He made all mortal beings.

eyk nUr qy sBu jgu aupijAw kaun Bly ko mMdy ]1]

eaek noor thae sabh jag oupajiaa koun bhalae ko ma(n)dhae ||1||

From the One Light, the entire universe welled up. So who is good, and who is bad? ||1||

logw Brim n BUlhu BweI ]

logaa bharam n bhoolahu bhaaee ||

O people, O Siblings of Destiny, do not wander deluded by doubt.

Kwilku Klk Klk mih Kwilku pUir rihE sRb TWeI ]1] rhwau ]

khaalik khalak khalak mehi khaalik poor rehiou srab t(h)aa(n)ee ||1|| rehaao ||

The Creation is in the Creator, and the Creator is in the Creation, totally pervading and permeating all places. ||1||Pause||

mwtI eyk Anyk BWiq kir swjI swjnhwrY ]

maattee eaek anaek bhaa(n)th kar saajee saajanehaarai ||

The clay is the same, but the Fashioner has fashioned it in various ways.

nw kCu poc mwtI ky BWfy nw kCu poc kuMBwrY ]2]

naa kashh poch maattee kae bhaa(n)ddae naa kashh poch ku(n)bhaarai ||2||

There is nothing wrong with the pot of clay - there is nothing wrong with the Potter. ||2||

sB mih scw eyko soeI iqs kw kIAw sBu kCu hoeI ]

sabh mehi sachaa eaeko soee this kaa keeaa sabh kashh hoee ||

The One True Lord abides in all; by His making, everything is made.

hukmu pCwnY su eyko jwnY bMdw khIAY soeI ]3]

hukam pashhaanai s eaeko jaanai ba(n)dhaa keheeai soee ||3||

Whoever realizes the Hukam of His Command, knows the One Lord. He alone is said to be the Lord's slave. ||3||

Alhu AlKu n jweI liKAw guir guVu dInw mITw ]

alahu alakh n jaaee lakhiaa gur gurr dheenaa meet(h)aa ||

The Lord Allah is Unseen; He cannot be seen. The Guru has blessed me with this sweet molasses.

kih kbIr myrI sMkw nwsI srb inrMjnu fITw ]4]3]

kehi kabeer maeree sa(n)kaa naasee sarab nira(n)jan ddeet(h)aa ||4||3||

Says Kabeer, my anxiety and fear have been taken away; I see the Immaculate Lord pervading everywhere. ||4||3||

Hopefully there will be an AKJ Amrit Sanchar in the UK soon.

Khalsa ji may guru sahib bless you on this path, there are alot of knowledgable (if thats how you spell it lol) gursikhs on this site so please don't hesitate to ask them any questions.

With regard to shakking amrit, humble benti is to- when your ready just take it from any punj pyare, gursikha it doesn't matter if they belong to x y z jatha lets not underestimate the power of Guru's Roop, when your going to take it just say maharaj I want to give my head to you now it don't care where it is just find me punj pyare! Lol

This is what baba ranjit singh highlighted in his diwan, sikhi is simple khalsa ji its people like me who make it complicated. :D

Good luck on your jeevan!

Gurfateh!

How is graffiti an attack?! :6

When its (graffiti) supporting such thing as a swastika-nazi ideology on the side of the houses of guru gobind singh maharaj then I see this as an attack on the panth, gurudwaras- the one place in the world where no-ones discriminated.Yet we have people making a mockery of us

Lol Keep doing the great seva :D

Does this mean that those who dont understand Swas Swas from Guru Jis instructions that their Naam Simran it has no effect? Of course not anybody who does Naam Simran will get GUru Jis blessing. Swas Swas just has a stronger effect. Learning from Guru Jis instructions is a great aid in learing Swas Swas simran immediately. Otherwise It takes lots and lots of Naam Simran to learn this method form Guru Ji. Does this mean that those who have not recieved Naam Drir during AMrit Sanchar they unvalid Amrit? Abolutely no, it would be blasphemous to think such a thing.

Naam Drir along with Guru Jis instructions is the greatest gift in doing Swas Swas Naam Simran it makes the technique more easier and undestable. For example, at the local Gurdwara I attend there are some older Singhs who have not recieved Naam Drir. They do Naam Simran during Amrit Vela ( 1-4) everyday with the Sangat. They are truly blessed to do so much Naam Simran. When they are doing Naam Simran one can notice at times they are doing it with their swas, but this is not all the time. Its obvious Guru Ji has blessed these older Singhs with some understanding of Swas Swas Simran technique due to their lifetime Bhagti. Gurmukhs like Baba Attar Singh Ji ( Mastuana) Baba Isher Singh Ji ( Rara Sahib) Baba Nand Singh Ji, Baba Harnam Singh Ji ( Rampur) , and Baba Thakur SIngh Ji did Swas Swas Naam Simran without learning the technique during AMrit Sanchar. But they would do Naam Abhyiaas all day Guru Ji eventually blessed them with the technique. For householder its extrememly diffiuclt to do as much Naam SImran as those Gurmukhs to learn the technique of Swas Swas, thus it is advisable to learn directly from Panj Pyaarey who are the emobidment of Guru Sahib. DO you think it is more helpful to learn instructions from a Sant or Guru Ji? I think it is wrong to question the power and ability of Panj Pyaarey. People who do such things are taking a daring risk, I only hope such people think before they try to put doubts about Panj Pyaarey in peoples mind.

I think the people who talk down on Naam Drir do not have bad intentions I just think they are misguided. They think by talking down on Naam Drir they are just talking down on AKJ. But this is not the truth. They are talking down on Panj Pyaarey who is the emodiment of Guru Ji.

Taken from a different forum:

Sit down, and close ur eyes and focus on ur trikuti (third eye) the Brow Chakara, and slowly breath in while saying Wahe and exhale saying Guru. This is called swas swas simran. I was taught to do Naam Simran dis way when i took amrit from an Akhand Kirtani Jatha, the Panj Payray put their hand on ur head and install Naam Simran into u, thus teach u how to do it.

Veer ji, i think there is alot of confucion in your posts, sikhi is not confusing it is simple but difficult to complish.

First of all naam drir and swass swass simran have NO connection. Naam drir is the way naam is given, swass swass simran is when you start japping naam with every breath - and only few blessed souls accomplish this state. You are making it out like people who receive naam drir in the akj fashion can do this - how ridiculous!!!! There are different jugit's - methods of japping naam which help to jap naam with every breath, but at the end of the day it is an individual's kamai that will help them reach this stage - it is not just something that can be given, you cheapen the uniqueness of those who have reached this avastha.

All puraaten samparaders, do not given naam drir in tha akj fashion - simply because it is not maryada, i.e. not necessary. Putting hand on hand will not help you jap more naam then if it wasnt done so. Bhai sahib Randhir singh ji got the method from kookers who would shout out Guruoo etc, they were a scholar and thats what scholars do - research. But mahapursh's, taksal, Nihangs, nanaksar do not state this as a requirement, putting hand on your head, hands etc will not give you automatic naam simran as some akjs claim, it is a disgusting converting tactic and paap. Putting Gurmukhs in shankar is maha, maha paap, because it doesnt matter how your amrit sanchar was, you should have full faith in it. I have seen people being converted into to taking 'pesh' because of this and later they feel ashamed of what they done.

People like you who are very knowleglable and clever in their wording, act ekta-fied, but the agenda's can be seen quite clearly. Benti, stop trying to convert the sangat to what you think is right, and learn to respect other peoples views.

SIMPLY: receive amrit, jap naam and you can reach any spiritual state. Keep it simple.

There was never som much fuss about this in bhai sahinbs time, sukhdeep singh ji you should not follow one scholar whole heartly, as everyone is subject to mistakes, e.g. Bhai Randhir singh was mistaken about Teja Singh Bhasaur who he greatly got on with, turned out to be a complete utter traitor. Everyone is sent to this earth because they have done something wrong, other then sant mahapursh's who are sent here to help people.

For the most part this is a realy good post and its both disheartning and very worrying that our brothers and sisters have began to assert our view of the perfect amrit sanchar on one another. Lets get back to sikhi basics and leave our maryada and views at home its time we woke up and become one with each other.

There was no difference in 1699 so why should their be now?

Im sure every gurmukh would agree and its highly likely that all the gurmukhs of the panth also have said the same as bhai jarnail singh

'take amrit from any pany pyare' (as long as basic maryada is their)

But im afraid those who love their jatha more then the panth won't admit this- sour grapes.

This post was not aimed at any jatha and only endorses one jatha which is the khalsa panth

If the message of ekta has hurt anyone then I have no apology to make but if my words have then forgive my mistakes.

Guru Sahib never gave an instruction to eat meat. Word Jhatka is not mentioned in Guru Granth Sahib or in Dasam Granth.

is the word dahi(yoghurt) mentioned? or parothe? or apples or bananas? if you are only going to eat food that Aad Guru talks about then lets have a list of the foods contained therein. and then if all the sikhs can stick to it.

Beans, Rice and Roti are mentioned in this pangti :D

kbIr KUbu Kwnw KIcrI jw mih AMimRqu lonu ]

kabeer khoob khaanaa kheecharee jaa mehi a(n)mrith lon ||

Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt.

hyrw rotI kwrny glw ktwvY kaunu ]188]

haeraa rottee kaaranae galaa kattaavai koun ||188||

Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread? ||188||

Mod Note: Thanks for the Gurbani tuk. And with that, topic closed.

Before some of you wet yourself with excitement over getting a mention by the joker Nick Griffen of the BNP, cast your minds back to the 1970's when a Sikh was murdered in Southall by Skinheads, when Turban bashing was common, when Sikh properties used to be vandalised and Sikhs did not venture out at night. Perhaps ask your dads and uncles what how the NF (BNP) treated them and ask you mums how they were spat on by Skinheads. These skinheads have "matured" into what you now call the BNP

30 years on some of you unfortunate dipsticks don't realise that your turbans are just waiting to be knocked off by the BNP.

Here's some youtube uploads regarding the 1970 Southall riots and the build up. It gives you an idea of what was going on at the time.

Just like to mention that I ment nick graffin mentioning us in a negative way, im strongly against bnp skinheads because I have got an understanding as to their agenda and witnessed it manier times.

So just say who you think is wetting themselves please lol.

And I agree with what you have said, some people are often brainwashed with their propagand unfortunately and to be honest they don't see sikhs and muslims as different they look on them both as 'terrorists'

Here are some clips

Sunday Mercury

Protests:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=DCeyuhd2fJE

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=nQ_JTJVvMrA

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=kOPP3roehLM

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=OB0RfExbx3c

News:

http://www.mirror.co...15875-21586141/

http://www.guardian....irmingham-islam

http://www.telegraph...ters-clash.html

Bnp Nick Griffin once again mentions that sikhs are on the bnp side with his clever use of proganda and says some words against Malik:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=7e9j6Wj1KLY

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=1dJO7SO4uEE

Thats Sick!

But what rely annoyed me was the fact that the human rights activist had this to say:

“Is this the first time there has been such compelling evidence? I’d say yes,” Meenakshi Ganguly of Human Rights Watch told The Times.

What about the countless shaheeds in from 1970s onwards ? There are countless pictures of the same type of thing.

Least they got this part right

'The practice began in the 1980s as a way to eliminate dangerous suspects who police said could not be convicted in court because of widespread corruption and witness intimidation'

And Singh says it right

A Singh wrote: This is well known practice used by the Indian security services for years, with the 'nod' given by the various Govt's in power. The chances of ever getting any security official prosecuted are virtually nil. They will go through the same slow process of pretending to act, just to fool the joe public.

gurfateh jeeo.

i feel you think i want to argue with you... i want to ask you in the poliest of ways to please tone down your comments..

and i do not wish to post the tuk simply because we have (somhow) got into an arguement and i would feel that if somone else posts the shabad that will be better. if in a week no one has posted it, i will post it..

how does that fend with you?? dude?

Khalsa ji not sure of Guru Gobind Singh's Tuk, could you please post that.

There seems to be people who don't like the idea of calling eachother bhaji/benji

This should end the debate,

In Crystal clear words Bhai Gurdas ji States:

ਦੇਖਿ ਪਰਾਈਆਂ ਚੰਗੀਆਂ ਮਾਵਾਂ ਭੈਣਾਂ ਧੀਆਂ ਜਾਣੈ ।

daykhi paraaeeaan changeeaan maavaan bhainaan dheeaan jaanai|

The Sikh ought to treat beautiful women of others as his mothers, sisters, and daughters.

Notice the worda maavaan bhainaan dheeaan these are words for mothers, sisters and daughters, so therefore you call them names such as bhaji/benji out of satkar you recognise them as that jaanai.

Theres nothing strange about it when you get married your relationship changes your husband and wife, guru maharaj joins your soul in his hazoori therefore its now a different relationship your souls are one, just like when you freeze pani (water) it becomes ice its now in a different state simarly when you wed you both become a different 'state of relationship' (If that makes sense).

ਧਨ ਪਿਰੁ ਏਹਿ ਨ ਆਖੀਅਨਿ ਬਹਨਿ ਇਕਠੇ ਹੋਇ ॥

dhhan pir eaehi n aakheean behan eikathae hoe ||

They are not said to be husband and wife, who merely sit together.

ਏਕ ਜੋਤਿ ਦੁਇ ਮੂਰਤੀ ਧਨ ਪਿਰੁ ਕਹੀਐ ਸੋਇ ॥੩॥

eaek joth dhue moorathee dhhan pir keheeai soe ||3||

They alone are called husband and wife, who have one light in two bodies. ||3||

btw theres more pics of bhai shaib ji on flickrnow

ohh veerji i only got to see him not tlak to him or anything....i know this for sure that he lives in toronto, canada and he works in some type of factory...on the day of the program bhai sahib ji left because at that same night he had to go for duty at the factory.. the flight form LA to toronto is about 4 to 5 hours and his flight was at 2 o'clock pm in LA

Thanks.

Acha Oh ok no worrys, vaheguru did hear he lived in canada, does he ever travel to punjab? because its odd that no one else see's him?

whats wrong with wanting your dhari to look neat?

When you tie your pug don't you take time to ensure its neat? Whats so wrong with wanting to do the same with the dhari?

Brother its not against rehat (as far as im aware) to have an untidy dastar (its good to have it tidy tho) gursikhs do not dwell on these things look at bhagat puran singh he only spent a few minutes tying his dastar straight after that he would rush out and help the needy because thats the key underlying thing seva, we may spend hours trying to get a dastar to look the best but we miss the key point.

But unfortunately tying your beard is only permitted if for example you cannot do your job with a flowing beard because of health and safety issues with machines etc however day-to-day has to be flowing, this is Guru Gobind Singh maharajs hukam:

ਸਾਬਤ ਸੂਰਤ ਸਿਧਾ ਦਾੜ੍ਹਾ ॥ ਕਾਠ ਦਾ ਕੰਘਾ ਕੇਸੀਂ ਚਾੜ੍ਹਾ ॥

"The complete form of man is with a beard, which is left untied (flowing down). With a wooden Kangha (comb) the Kesh should be combed."

Please read this article tying beards was popularized by sher singh because the british believed it looked 'better'.

http://www.panthic.o...2008-01-10.html

Can someone up the link pls

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

We have now uploaded The Brit Asia debate Heres the link

http://www.youtube.c...F7CDB5E848CAF38

For the previous debate on sikh channel visit

http://www.youtube.com/user/KhalsaPanthMovement#play/user/E8933F591AFF41E5

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

If the links are slow just go to the main site

Some briliant veechar by kuljeet singh- in seven parts

http://www.youtube.com/user/KhalsaPanthMovement#play/user/126BAB8070828DEB

Beautiful kirtan by Bibi Kirandeep kaur - in five parts

http://www.youtube.com/user/KhalsaPanthMovement#play/user/7EC1FF68C61CF330

Also the brilliant Broken silence debate-in five parts

http://www.youtube.com/user/KhalsaPanthMovement#play/user/8F7CDB5E848CAF38

Cheers

Edit: Not the one I was looking for, but Thanks for the effort gurumukho. If you can, try get the simran in my previous description. Couldn't thank you enough for the videos you've uploaded so far!!!

wjkk wjkf

Yh khalsa ji the mp3 was only uploaded because three people requested it, Singh next time its on let us know:)

Personally, i have never seen so many positive comments about Sikhs (by non Sikhs) in the British media:

I wasn't sure what to expect when I read the headline but they look incredibly smart and are very good representatives for ethnic minorities within the armed forces. It is nice to see young men standing up for their country whils still retaining their religious integrity. It's good that this is able to happen.

- gsdowner, Caerphilly, Glamorgan, 31/7/2009 15:56

Sikhs have always been a noble people and excellent soldiers. A great many have fought and died for this country. HMQ will be in safe hands.

- Robert, Worcester UK, 31/7/2009 15

The Turban has been the official headress of fine soldiers who have fought for this country for at least the last 200 years, including two world wars. I am sure it is good enough for the current Royal family. "Let traitors plot and cowards sneer, they'll wear their Turbans proudly here!"

- PJ, Ballymena, UK, 31/7/2009 15:41

It's good to see this. My father was brigaded with the 1st/2nd Punjab Regt. for part of WWII, and held them in high regard; "You'd have to be up early to get past a Sikh!" was his verdict.

- Helen, Kent, 31/7/2009 15:31

Excellent effort, I think they look most distinguished. Sihks have long served alongside us and it's nice to see they are still so willing to do so!

- Chris, BRISTOL UK., 31/7/2009 15:18

"They are not quite what the tourists might expect when they come looking for a snapshot"

But it is right and proper and I am pleased to see them.

- Adrian Smith, Southampton, 31/7/2009 15:12

and many more.... Good stuff... thanks for topic.

These are excellent quotes. We should be holding Singh's like this in very high esteem for helping breakdown barriers.

Vaheguru, Absoloutly

The show will be uploaded on youtube fully tommorow.

satpunga singh ji, pls give the source of this, ive also heard this that ppl say guru sahib will pull his gursikh out of narak by the kes.

Ooohhhhh exciting!

Long hair huh! How can you grow hair? I mean list some good shampoos and all that. If I land in this unwanted place guru sahib will pull me out too from my lonnnnngg hair. I mean thats the only reason to have long hair so guru sahib can pull on them. So Shampoos? Dahin works? :umm:

My brother no where in satpunga veer jis post did he say 'long hair' he said 'kes' uncut hair no matter what the length because some amritdharis have uncut hair but it nots long because of complications with their molecular structure in the hair, it makes sense if Guru Gobind Singh Said:

Ehe mor agia suno he pyare,-Listen my beloved

Bina teg kes divo na didaro.-Without uncut hair and weapons do not come forth to me.

Guru Gobind Singh

Humble benti is to think before mocking someone And Satpunga ji do you have the pangti please.

Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji Hukamnama stating not to consume meat or fish.

"maas machhi de nere nhi aavna"

Thanks brother been looking for this for a while now!

Amazing seva keep it up guys!!