aeroo

Satgur Purakh Millay Nau Paiyae Har Naamae Sadaa Samai

By meeting the Guru in person, Naam is received. One becomes one with God via meditation of this Naam.

yes i do believe in dasam bani hence

Jab Jab Hote Aristh Apara, Tab Tab Deh Dharat Avtara": Whenever there is injustice in the world, God takes form of a human

fateh

LOL thats a typical answer what the british said. not surprised as many sikhs were loyal subjects of the british (puppets)

dhan satguru ram singh ji

fateh

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਨਾ ਆਵੈ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥

My True Guru, forever and ever, does not come and go. (Ang 759)

Gurbani rejects human guru. One who himself is in the cycle of death and birth cannot save others. One being born in a human body is the clear proof that he is not mukat and therefore cannot give muktee. Shabad always lives on. Shabad is the spirit of Akal Purakh and embodiment of Guru Sahib. It is the power of Shabad that transformed depressed and oppressed people into saint-warriors.

singh saab you have misinterpreted this completely. in gurbani this is refearing to akaalpurakh as the true guru. akaalpurakh where mool mantar describes him can be related to this tuk. gurbani cvan not reject human guru. who wrote the gurbani ? OMG damn it was a dhedhari guru. and if they did write against human guru theil be writing against themselves. now who did the gurus pass the gurgadhi to (im refearing to ad granth sahib ji the gurus who contrabuted as not all gurus contrabuted) pass the gurgadhi to. e.g guru guru angad ji passing gurugadhi to guru amar das ji. they passed the gurgathi to human dhedhari gurus so your statement is incorect and does not support singh saba granth guru concept.

you stated this tuck ਬਾਣੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਬਾਣੀ ਵਿਚਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਸਾਰੇ ॥

baanee guroo guroo hai baanee vich baanee anmrith saarae ||

The Word, the Bani is Guru, and Guru is the Bani. Within the Bani, the Ambrosial Nectar is contained.

10 Nat Guru Ram Das

ਗੁਰੁ ਬਾਣੀ ਕਹੈ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਜਨੁ ਮਾਨੈ ਪਰਤਖਿ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਿਸਤਾਰੇ ॥੫॥

gur baanee kehai saevak jan maanai parathakh guroo nisathaarae ||5||

If His humble servant believes, and acts according to the Words of the Guru's Bani, then the Guru, in person, emancipates him. ||5||

when refearing to gurbani your must read the whole paragraph in this case the tuck carries on about what the guru is talking about. note partakh guru nistare this is the refearing to dhedhari guru.

and even if you say that human gurus wore not guru then why are you refearing them to guru. shouldent you say baba nanek baba angad baba ram das and so on.

what about jithe jayee bahee mera satguru

again refearing to partack guru where the guru goes where the guru sits down.

fateh

no such person as GURU Ram Singh. He never actually called himself the Guru.

first i would like to ask you in sikh history never have any of the gurus called them selves guru. this becomes tu tu mai mai hankaar. the guru is being this.

secondly if you read the origional hukamnamas of satguru ram singh ji you will find no where satguru ji refearing that he is not guru and the granth sahib is guru. this is a clear fabrication made by dr ganda singh who published a book and started this whole guru ram singh ji said this and that. he has misinterpreted and added his own versions of satguru ram singh jis hukamnama. once again the singh saba have failed and have gone so low by editing guru ram singh jis hukamnamas. if you wish to read these hukamnamas you can get a gutka which has all of satguru ram singh jis hukamnamas from a namdhari darbar.

so rhe namdharis are creation of the british ? i thought were a creation of the rss and goi ? lol make stories up as much as you want. your theiries of namdharis being bla bla bla are a flaw within itself.

i dont think i should even bother to answer the mastana question you asked. the guru is beind being mastana as he has direct contact with akaal purakh.

the namdharis have not declared anyone to be their guru. notice once again in sikh history the guru is send by akaal purakh. the guru creates his sikhs and the sikhs fall at the feet of the guru. nowhere will you see the sikhs crfeating their guru except the singh saba where they claim 5 pyare sikhs to be the guru. how dare you say this. this is a physical challenge and a first degree insult to all our gurus. fabricated stories state that guru gobind singh ji had no choise but to accept the hukam of the 5 sikhs as they ordered their guru. think about it you can get not only 5 sikhs i dare you to get 10000000000000 sikhs and go to guru granth shaib ji and give guru granth sahib ji a hukam direct prder from yourself in form of guru roop 5 pyare. you would never do this let alone give hukam to guru gobind singh ji. what nonsense. this is an invention of the singh saba "christian formed" movement to support the ad granth guru. but we have our differences ill tolorate it but please dont insulkt guru ji by saying you can give a hukam to guru ji.

satpunga singfh show me proof that namdharis have added bani to ad granth sahib ji or dasam granth sahib ji. im not bothered to argue about this its clearly your own namdhar bashing ideas.

fateh

LOL so what is more important some puratan nihang maryada or gurbani which clearly goes against parts of this so called nihang maryada ? isent bani your guru or is nihang jatha your guru ? if you believe in ad granth sahib ji being a guru then stick to it and follow it by every akhar and i garentee you you will never go wrong. namdharis follow gurbani of dasam and ad granth and have their satguru

"Karan Kaaran Raam Chand. Kaaran Vas Hoya Dehdhari" bhai gurdas ji

"Satgur Purakh Millay Nau Paiyae Har Naamae Sadaa Samai"

"Bani Guru Guru Hai Bani Vich Bani Amrit Saray. Gur Bani Kahey Sevak Jan Maanay Pratakh Guru Nistaaray

it is clear that we have our differences learn to accept tolerance.

"If these Namdharis have such a problem with Nihang maryada, please encourage them to visit their local Dal and tell the Nihangs to their faces. "

namdharis in india get along with many nihangs and katha has been done against meat eating bhang chatka and all this nonsence. namdharis dont need to go to buda dal instead if you go to sri bhani sahib many nihangs come there and have done darshan of satguru jagjit singh ji. instead of creating conflict namdharis have tried to create unity within the sikhs panth satguru partap singh ji held a large scale confrence where all sikh leaders from al jaths including nihangs had attended. in the morning asa di vaar 12 guru ardas was done by namdharis and in evening guru granth sahib ardas was done by mainstream sikhs. this confrence was a great sucess of unity within the sikhs panth. if you nwish to cut out namdhari inventions totally then why do akhand paath as this was a namdhari invention.

when all sikhs unite togather and acceot everyone as our brothers and sisters then i garentee you no one will be able to touch sikhs in any way that wil be the true "khalistan" until then weil have akj bashing khalistanis nihangs bashing koke sgpc bashing nihangs and all this khitcheri

fateh

neel vasathr pehir hovehi paravan ||

Wearing blue robes, they seek the approval of the Muslim rulers.

Nīl basṯar le kapṛe pahire ṯurak paṯẖāṇī amal kī▫ā.

Men began to wear blue robes and garments; Turks and Pat'haans assumed power.

Kal kalvālī sarā nibeṛī kājī krisanā ho▫ā.

In this turbulent age of Kali Yuga, Muslim law decides the cases, and the blue-robed Qazi is the judge.

blue is not an unlicky colour the reason kooke dont wear it is because it was the turks muslims uniform colour.

the sakhi of guru gobid singh ji going thru machi wale where he then adorned blue clothes and dressed as a muslim peer was a war tactic used to go through the mougal armey. he adorned blue clothes because this was the mougals colour and when they went passed them he ripped these blue clothes off. he would have kept them on if blue was a khalsa colour but obviously it wasent. white is satjug da bana and blue and black is kaljugs bana.

Mal jū▫ī bẖari▫ā nīlā kālā kẖiḏẖolṛā ṯin vaimukẖ vemukẖai no pā▫i▫ā.

The faithless baymukh sent out his faithless servant, wearing a blue-black coat, filled with filth and vermin.

kooke do have the kirpan however it is symbolic in form. guru ram singh ji made a hukam to keep kirpan in kanga due to political reasons and the main reason of all is that in satjugs time naamsimran is the biggest shastar of all. hence kooke carry malas and do naamsimran with. in history each guru has been sent by akaal purakh for specific taskes. the sikhs follow the hukams of the present guru in time. satguru ram singh ji also said that the same mala has so much shakti it can withstand cannons. and this happned where the namdharis bodies were shaheed however they became shaheed by singing shabads of gurbani and doing diwan. their hands wore not strapped behind their backs but they stood bare chested infront of the cannons shouting jakare. the video you posted is of a mastana. i wont go into this again as it is pointless talking to bemukhs who like taking the piss out of sants so thats a dead end.

if this is a case of general arrogent ocnflict i can ask you many questions regard you nihang traditions and what not.

why do many nihangs eat from kfc?

whats the reason for todays day and age for carrying pigs tooth in your dumala? lol a nihnag recently told me that the dangling payal is used to distract the attacker by making ching ching noises. LOL what a bunch of clowns.

the dumala showed in your dp is it practical in todays day and age ? do u realy think our gurus wore such huge clown looking turbans?

why are so many nihangs abusing shaheedi degh and taking driugs such as cannabis?

what <banned word filter activated> is this chatka? when chatka clearly goes against ad granmth sahib ji and our gurus teachings. eating meat is also mentioned in panth parkash and many other historical granths.

its ironical how mainstream sikhs say namdharis have their backs against their gururs and ad granth sahib ji when the mainstream people cant even decide if meat eating is hukam or not. and the ones who are engrosed in gurbani and naamsimran and kirtan somehow have their backs towards the gurus and gurbani

from what ive seen a lot of you nihangs are a show piece its all looks and talk. youre a chela of nidar singh nihang then why is it that he gets along with namdharis ? is your gurudev a papi pakhandi for teaching shastar vidiya in bgham namdhari gurudwara. are your going to stop learning shastar vidiya after knowing these facts he has with namdharis ? or are you going to say yh he takes weed eats meat n dat but im just there for the vidiya now ?

learn how to accept people and have tolerance.

fateh

lol no i am not offended by being called a kooka because i know what history we hold and am proud of it.

and gurbani also mentions this form of "kook"

oochae kookehi vaadhaa gaavehi jodhhaa kaa veechaar ||

They shout out loud, and sing epic poems and heroic stories.

so no i am not offended.

so lets come back to the dirty pigs tooth huh. a nihang told me that muslims stay away from nihangs with pigs tooth in their dumala. seriously how thick can some of these nihangs get. how would a muslim know what that dangling stuff in your twin tower sized turban is ? you lot are right clowns.

go and play with the pigs tooth in your pugh satpunga singh

ਜਿਨ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਤ ਪੁਰਖ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਤੇ ਭਾਗਹੀਣ ਜਮਿ ਮਾਰੇ ॥

jin dharasan sathigur sath purakh n paeia thae bhageheen jam marae ||

Those who do not obtain the Blessed Vision of the Darshan of the True Guru, the True Primal Being, are most unfortunate; they are destroyed by the Messenger of Death.

totally disagree with this statement. the deep negative impact the British have had on sikhi is commonly underestimated. one must educate themselves and read and understand the history of what the british had done to sikhs. without this understanding and knowledge the usal will just say "yes sikhs would have been better off if the british had stayed as what habve we gained from an independant stae from the indian government".

yes the hindu government has and i would say is still attacking sikhs in a clever way however i would find it insulting for sikhs to say that we would have been better off if the british stayed.

fateh

ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਬੋਹਿਥਾ ਵਿਰਲੈ ਕਿਨੈ ਵੀਚਾਰਿਆ ॥

Saṯgurū hai bohithā virlai kinai vīcẖāri▫ā.

The True Guru is the boat, but few are those who realize this.

i think what jujhar singh is trying to say is if dhan sri guru nanek sahib ji gave his pavan pavitar darshan in partack dhedhari form would genral sikhs be able to recognise guru ji.

if guru gobind singh ji gave you darshan and you saw guru ji physically you wouldn't ignore him and think or say erm guru ji i dont need your "dhedhari darshan" because your jot is already in gur granth sahib ji. do uunderstand the point i am trying to get across ?

fateh

wof wof CHATKAAA

bare religious .... lol

make sure you start to do naamsimran from now (itl be great if u already do)

basically the reason for this is because to sum it up our soul is like a bowl. we might have done bad karam this life or previously. so we need to do naamsimran to clean our inside up. so when we take amrit our inside soul atma whatever you like caling it is pure as we take amrit. and we carry on maintaining doing bani and naamsimran to keep our bowl which has amrit in it clean.

fateh

las vegas

i think that if a friendly protest was done in mombay it would be effective as media attention would be gathered easily and spread because mombay is the centre of these film industry acts.

LOL

edirol

jab jab hoth aristh apara tab tab deh dharat avtara

dasam pita bani in dasam granth.

fateh

sikh channel is trying to eliminate raag vidiya

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we should all sighn a petition saying ban the namdharis in the uk

what right does that jathedar have to say who is sikh or not ?

so the whole panth is following what this jathedar is saying which makes him like a so called mini guru as he controls the panth ?

1. Page305 Line 16 Raag Gaurhee: Guru Ram Das

ਗੁਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਜੋ ਸਿਖੁ ਅਖਾਏ ਸੁ ਭਲਕੇ ਉਠਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥

gur sathigur kaa jo sikh akhaaeae s bhalakae outh har naam dhhiaavai ||

One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru the True Guru shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord's Name.

is the akal takht not controlled by sgpc ?