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LOL what does the sgpc control who is sikh and not. are the people controling the sgpc now gurus just because they give out so called hukamnamas out. so i guess nihnags are not sikhs now because they dont agree and arent controlled by the sgpc.

why is the topic named guru ?

"these people can realise how ignorant and stupid they are and how they are stopping the growth and promotion of Sikhi." LOL what total bull crap. if it wasent for the namdharis raj academy wouldent exist. if kooke are so ignorant in stopping growth and promating sikhi we wouldent have tought these lot raag vidiya and kept it to ourself. instead we are teaching everyone who wishes to learn raag vidiya and the puratan saaz of our guru sahibs to preserve our history rather than the local gurudhwara playing bollywood tune shabads which is "major beadbi" i guess kooke launching santhiya cds of all of ad granth sahib and dasam granth sahib is stopping the growth of sikhi as well. the namdhari who did katha on guru gobind singh ji strictly on sikh channel is also attacking sikhs by giving them knowledge about guru gobind singh ji strictly ...but chalo everything happens according to akaal purakhs hukam.

yes i noticed tht as well. why is the sikh channel playing stupid games. you either ban the namdharis from coming to your show alltogather or allow them. why go so low and and make a fool out of yourself by acting so ignorant by doing stupid acts. it would be interesting to here what the sikh channel has to say about this.

dharam yudh you really are a clown after your post slanering namdharis. carry on enjoy. gourree || Gauree: inMdau inMdau mo kau logu inMdau ] ni(n)dho ni(n)dho mo ko log ni(n)dho || Slander me, slander me - go ahead, people, and slander me. inMdw jn kau KrI ipAwrI ] ni(n)dhaa jan ko kharee piaaree || Slander is pleasing to the Lord's humble servant. inMdw bwpu inMdw mhqwrI ]1] rhwau ] ni(n)dhaa baap ni(n)dhaa mehathaaree ||1|| rehaao || Slander is my father, slander is my mother. ||1||Pause|| inMdw hoie q bYkuMiT jweIAY ] ni(n)dhaa hoe th baiku(n)t(h) jaaeeai || If I am slandered, I go to heaven; nwmu pdwrQu mnih bsweIAY ] naam padhaarathh manehi basaaeeai || the wealth of the Naam, the Name of the Lord, abides within my mind. irdY suD jau inMdw hoie ] ridhai sudhh jo ni(n)dhaa hoe || If my heart is pure, and I am slandered, hmry kpry inMdku Doie ]1] hamarae kaparae ni(n)dhak dhhoe ||1|| then the slanderer washes my clothes. ||1|| inMdw krY su hmrw mIqu ] ni(n)dhaa karai s hamaraa meeth || One who slanders me is my friend; inMdk mwih hmwrw cIqu ] ni(n)dhak maahi hamaaraa cheeth || the slanderer is in my thoughts. inMdku so jo inMdw horY ] ni(n)dhak so jo ni(n)dhaa horai || The slanderer is the one who prevents me from being slandered. hmrw jIvnu inMdku lorY ]2] hamaraa jeevan ni(n)dhak lorai ||2|| The slanderer wishes me long life. ||2|| inMdw hmrI pRym ipAwru ] ni(n)dhaa hamaree praem piaar || I have love and affection for the slanderer. inMdw hmrw krY auDwru ] ni(n)dhaa hamaraa karai oudhhaar || Slander is my salvation. jn kbIr kau inMdw swru ] jan kabeer ko ni(n)dhaa saar || Slander is the best thing for servant Kabeer. inMdku fUbw hm auqry pwir ]3]20]71] ni(n)dhak ddoobaa ham outharae paar ||3||20||71|| The slanderer is drowned, while I am carried across. ||3||20||71|| Ang: 339 Bhagat Kabir Ji has shown that the slanderer has only done well for the one they slandered. Although the slanderer has put their reputation low, their spirituality has increased. The slanderer only helps us but they curse their own life. pr inMdw pr mlu muK suDI Agin k®oDu cMfwlu ] par ni(n)dhaa par mal mukh sudhhee agan krodhh cha(n)ddaal || Slandering others is putting the filth of others into your own mouth. The fire of anger is the outcaste who burns dead bodies at the crematorium. Ang: 15 And inMdw kir kir bhu Bwru auTwvY ibnu mjUrI Bwru phucwvixAw ]4] ni(n)dhaa kar kar bahu bhaar out(h)aavai bin majooree bhaar pahuchaavaniaa ||4|| By continually slandering others, they carry a terrible load, and they carry the loads of others for nothing. ||4|| Ang: 118 The slanderer can only be saved if Guru Sahib wishes. Any work that the slanderer does will bare no fruit.

ofcourse he dosent beieve in guru nanek. he was a dhedhari guru how dare u believe in a dhedhari guru!!!!!!!!(sarcasm)

"namdharis dont take amrit" is a huge misconception. i would like to state that this is incorrect and that namdharis do take amrit both men and women with the blessing of guru gobind singh ji and guru ram singh ji. we read the same 5 banis and do the same nitnem including chandi di vaar da paath. we also follow the same gurmantar of waheguru given by satguru nanek dev ji. it must be noted that to be an amritdhari is essential in the namdhari panth as guru ram sigh ji had created the sant khalsa and started a revolt against the british known as the kooka movement. during the time period of 10 years guru ram singh ji had created 700,000 amritdhari sikhs. fateh

harjeet singh does your question even deserve to be answered. i strongly suest you think before you post such comments. yes the guru is perfect in everyway as e is merged with akaalpurakh itself. serously what a stupid commentto say "But if you guru is perfect then why has he got so many wrinkles?". in that case would you say that guru harkrishan sahib ji was not a gurur because he had smallpocs. would you say that guru tegh bhadur sahib ji was not a guru because he ;eft the world by letting his head seperate from his body. the guru is beyond materialastc things not to say that this body is a materialistic object as well. if you have noticed our gurus have come in the human form therefore areplaying by the rules of nature e.g aging they do not stay yound=g forever or do not let their kes turn white. however never underestimate the guru as in certain circumstances they will defy the logics of science or whatever u want to call it such as guru arjun dev ji clearly showed. fateh

fateh harjet singh as i made clear in my previous post ofcourse namdharis and i believe the tuk to be valid. it is gurus bani. i know what you are getting at so i will explain. Without the True Guru, there is no Guru at all; one who is without a Guru has a bad reputation. ||13|| (SGGSJ, Ang 435) If a hundred moons were to rise, and a thousand suns appeared, even with such light, there would still be pitch darkness without the Guru. ||2|| (SGGSJ, Ang 463) this is refering to the guru in the human form and no its not refearing to the shabad in the form of guru becausethe next guru guru ram das ji wouldent have been given the guru gadhi it would have been the shabad e.g bani of guru baanee guroo guroo hai baanee vich baanee anmrith saarae gur baanee kehai saevak jan maanai parathakh guroo nisathaarae ||5|| The Word, the Bani is Guru, and Guru is the Bani. Within the Bani, the Ambrosial Nectar is contained. If His humble servant believes, and acts according to the Words of the Guru's Bani, then the Guru, in person, emancipates him. ||5|| when u quote this say the full line and read PRTAKH GURU the guru in person is the 1 who can guide u to sach khand. fateh

fateh harjeet singh i accept your views and am tolerant to what u believe in ad grath sahib ji to be the living eternal guru. however even thou namdharis do not concider ad granth sahib ji be given the guru ganthi i assure u that namdharis do not consider it a mere book. we believe in ad granth sahib ji and dasam granth sahibji and hold equal respect to both. and do believe in 100% of al the banis contained in them including raagmala. to call gurus bani a mere book is a great insult. we believe that the granth is pavitar bani of the gurus who have contributed towards it, and even akaalpurakhs words himself. if there is any namdhari who makes such irational statments my pm is open and i will deal with this. i don't think you know harbhan singh in person and therefore cant say if his maryada or is following sikhi. i don't need to eplain th namdhari belief on thisforum as there are many internet websites you can get information from. i suggest if u do want to know about kooke you research upon them first then ask questions on whatever you dont understand and is not stated. i will not list the websites on this forum as i will probably end up getting banned for doing so but searching in google inset that hard. i find it pointless debating on weather namdaris are right or wrong because you and me are not the first ones to do so tere have been many scholars wh have done in the past and have got to no conclusion. nothing is ogin to change the namdharis from believing in the continuation of the guru gathi and we believe our present guru satguru jagjit singh ji to be the akaalpurakh satguru presently. vice versa nothing is going to change the mainstream sikh from believeing in "shabad" guru. lets all be tolerant to what people believe in. humanity is the way forward. these pointless discussions are not helping our karanm and our jeevans. instead id be more than happy to discuss on how we can improve ourselves and what naamsimran techniques and experiances one has achieved. now that will be produtive wouldent it. fateh

the sikh panth is full of hatred today. there is no sence of ekt at all. this is kaljugs true face that when someone does a kata o guru gobiond singh ji and talks about dasam granth he is being slandered left right centre. instead people dont appreciate how kirtan ( kaljug me kirtan pardana) and katha vichar is going to help the youth fight against kaljug. people are more concerned about namdharis, nirmale nihangs akj, bla bla. we are traped in jatha bashing. when will the day comewhen a namdhari can sit along with aakj and have full pyar and respect eachother as waheguru recides in all. wasent the sikh chanel created to promote sikhi if whatever harbhan singh said was anti gurmat even i as a namdhari would go aginst him. i believe more kahs on gurur gobindsingh ji and dasam granth should be encouraged as people are now openly questioning the sources of our fathers beloved mithi bani. the same bani which is read in ourdaily nitnem and in amrit sanchars. lets stop slandering people for a change and encourage the mnisison of guru nanek. the day all sik jathas come togather i garentee yo tat no one wil be able to discriminate sikhs. that is when khalsa raaj will happen. fateh

oh chak de fateh singh saab you have so much gyan and are in so much chardiklaa that you have the autherity to comment on who is a sikh or not. oh yh your an anterjami as well as you know that kooke are bad and evil inside even if they do parchar of dasam guru and dasam grath (sorry if the word dasam granth ) offended anyone if you dont consider it bani. why dont we for a change follow what ad grnth sahib ji says about who is a sikh o not. 1. Page305 Line 16 Raag Gaurhee: Guru Ram Das ਗੁਰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਜੋ ਸਿਖੁ ਅਖਾਏ ਸੁ ਭਲਕੇ ਉਠਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਵੈ ॥ gur sathigur kaa jo sikh akhaaeae s bhalakae outh har naam dhhiaavai || One who calls himself a Sikh of the Guru the True Guru shall rise in the early morning hours and meditate on the Lord's Name. only akaalpurakh and the guru can decide who is their sikh or not. fateh