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From this topic and others, one thing is clear... we need to EDUCATE - but before we educate others, we need to become educated ourselves. Please see the names of a number of books and publications that EVERY SINGLE person who has posted on this topic needs to read - it might take some time, but we need to arm ourselves with knowledge, because this has become our biggest failing. Lets not counteract with opinions, lets do it with FACTS - if anyone would like more info, or is looking to do some research on the events on 84 - or has a databank of factsl, please PM me - it would be useful to have either an online/offline library of information. Fighting for Faith and Nation: Dialogues with Sikh Militants (Contemporary Ethnography) by Cynthia Keppley Mahmood (Paperback - 1 Nov 1996) The Gallant Defender by A R Darshi When A Tree Shook Delhi: The 1984 Carnage and Its Aftermath by Manoj Mitta and H.S. Phoolka (Hardcover - 1 Jan 2007) Issues of Manushi Gangster Rule: The Massacre of the Sikhs in 1984 Issue: 25; Date Nov/Dec 1984 Organised Riots Against The Sikhs: Petition To the Supreme Court Issue: 25; Date Nov/Dec 1984 The 1984 Elections: United We Fall – Into The Trap of Manipulators Issue: 26; Date Jan/Feb 1985 A Ray of Hope: Prabhu Dayal: A Martyr who Died Saving Others Issue: 26; Date Jan/Feb 1985 Those Who Remain: Nagrik Ekta Manch Volunteers Report Issue: 26; Date Jan/Feb 1985 The Struggle to Make Government Fulfill its Promises: Volunteers Report On Government Relief and Compensation Issue: 26; Date Jan/Feb 1985 Lest We Forget Issue: 26; Date Jan/Feb 1985 "From Day to Day, Envisioning Tomorrow" Issue 36 Date Sept/Oct 1986 Changing the Rules of Political Game: Tribute to the Memory of Prabhu Dayal Issue 39; Date Mar/Apr 1987 Need to Re-establish Links: Discussions with Sikh Communities in North America Issue 41; Date Jul/Aug 1987 Violent Deaths and Enforced Disappearances During the Counterinsurgency in Punjab, India - Romesh Silva, Jasmine Marwaha, Jeff Klingner - Jan 2009 Protecting the Killers - Human Rights Watch 2007 Twenty Years of Impunity - Jaskaran Kaur 2004 Sikh Struggle: Origin, Evolution and Present Phase by Ram Narayan Kumar & Georg Sieberer A complex denial: Disappearances, secret cremations, and the issue of truth & justice in Punjab by Ram Narayan Kumar

From this topic and others, one thing is clear... we need to EDUCATE - but before we educate others, we need to become educated ourselves. Please see the names of a number of books and publications that EVERY SINGLE person who has posted on this topic needs to read - it might take some time, but we need to arm ourselves with knowledge, because this has become our biggest failing. Lets not counteract with opinions, lets do it with FACTS - if anyone would like more info, or is looking to do some research on the events on 84 - or has a databank of factsl, please PM me - it would be useful to have either an online/offline library of information. Fighting for Faith and Nation: Dialogues with Sikh Militants (Contemporary Ethnography) by Cynthia Keppley Mahmood (Paperback - 1 Nov 1996) The Gallant Defender by A R Darshi When A Tree Shook Delhi: The 1984 Carnage and Its Aftermath by Manoj Mitta and H.S. Phoolka (Hardcover - 1 Jan 2007) Issues of Manushi Gangster Rule: The Massacre of the Sikhs in 1984 Issue: 25; Date Nov/Dec 1984 Organised Riots Against The Sikhs: Petition To the Supreme Court Issue: 25; Date Nov/Dec 1984 The 1984 Elections: United We Fall – Into The Trap of Manipulators Issue: 26; Date Jan/Feb 1985 A Ray of Hope: Prabhu Dayal: A Martyr who Died Saving Others Issue: 26; Date Jan/Feb 1985 Those Who Remain: Nagrik Ekta Manch Volunteers Report Issue: 26; Date Jan/Feb 1985 The Struggle to Make Government Fulfill its Promises: Volunteers Report On Government Relief and Compensation Issue: 26; Date Jan/Feb 1985 Lest We Forget Issue: 26; Date Jan/Feb 1985 "From Day to Day, Envisioning Tomorrow" Issue 36 Date Sept/Oct 1986 Changing the Rules of Political Game: Tribute to the Memory of Prabhu Dayal Issue 39; Date Mar/Apr 1987 Need to Re-establish Links: Discussions with Sikh Communities in North America Issue 41; Date Jul/Aug 1987 Violent Deaths and Enforced Disappearances During the Counterinsurgency in Punjab, India - Romesh Silva, Jasmine Marwaha, Jeff Klingner - Jan 2009 Protecting the Killers - Human Rights Watch 2007 Twenty Years of Impunity - Jaskaran Kaur 2004 Sikh Struggle: Origin, Evolution and Present Phase by Ram Narayan Kumar & Georg Sieberer A complex denial: Disappearances, secret cremations, and the issue of truth & justice in Punjab by Ram Narayan Kumar

Paaji, maybe you should check out and speak with the Young Sikhs team.. seems like it would better to join with an already established organisation who have a VERY SIMILAR mission statement/aim, rather than setting up a whole new organisation? ...?

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Sant Baba Randeep Singh Khalsa Babbar Bhindran Ju Kaay Lister ex Star Double Glazing Bouncy Castle London Road Wale. WANZLEDEEEEEEEP Happy Burfday again bro!!! Hope Maharaaj keeps you in chardeekalla... you're still the best keertanee on the planet!!!! (Yea, better than Laddi, Nij and possibly even Hari Singh lol!!!) Rolllllllllll on 6th Sept - PAAAAAAARTAAAAAY! Hope you have a wonderful day lil bro, may our beloved Satguroo continue to be your guiding beacon, blessing you with naam, baani, sevaa simran and saadhsangat!!

Absolutely 100% spot on! I think it is about time some "Sikhs" on this forum took a good look at what it means to be a "Sikh" - if Bhai Kineyaa Jee could see the light of Akaal Purukh in all, what happened to todays "Sikhs"? Its obvious that the Sikh federation has been instrumental in yesterdays outcome, and a true reflection of their motto "never flinch from performing righteous deeds". This case will not only assist Sarika Singh, but also the hundred (if not thousands) of school children who are discriminated against because of their RIGHT to wear the Kara - I know immediately, schools in Leicestershire are revisiting their policies with regards to the Kara and PE lessons! If Sarika Singh needs advice, help and guidance on Sikhi - I suggest she avoid this forum! Individual organisations (Young Sikhs UK, KAURAGEOUS etc) can welcome her with open arms - for Guroo Jee says: "charan saran gur EK penda jae chal, satgur kot penda agae hoe laith hae" - in my view, she has taken the first step - now Guroo Jee will do the rest! Finally... five years ago, I was a monee who was supported by the Sikh Federation... today, with the blessings and guidance of Guroo Granth Saahib Jee and the assitance of many brothers and sisters who saw me as one of them, I walk the Guroo's Amrit laid path, for the third year... think of what the same love, appreciation and respect for Sarika Singh could do to change her destiny. Well done Sarika and well done SF UK!

How easy do you think it is organising an event like the one in Trafalger Sq. The youth are being told NOW that there is no event - as explained in the posts above, this is less to do with the fact that SF "wants to play games" and more to do with the fact that the FSO wants to take control of the event. As also mentioned in the above posts, SF UK only have 1/7 of a voice when it comes to making the decisions; so they're decision to not take a lead was almost inevitable. SF UK have pushed the Youth to take the lead immensley over the past few years, this has transpired in a number of events beginning with Sikhs in The Square 2005. (incidentally, Khalistan_Zindabad, the barrage of text messages and e-mails from SK UK co-ordinators is proof of their promotion of the April event in Bedford!) It's very easy in the last minute to huff and puff, blow a lot of hot air, and let your anger out at the SF, BUT you know who the real culprits are, you know the names of the people who have failed to organise the event and you know what you have to do to make a change. It's up to each individual to have an input into an event like this and each person has to have the heart and mindset that they are going to have an input because of the event rather than the name. I think it's vitally important that you read the above posts clearly, see who is at fault and speak with the organisations concerened, rather than focusing your anger towards the one organisation who has taken the organisational, promotional and financial lead for the past few years - Trafalger Sq Freedom Rally was a hugely successful event, organised by youth which the FSO wanted to take control of - perhaps words need to be had ith those who felt they needed to take over, not because they can do a better job, but because they would get the better praise! Bhul Chuck Maaf. Forgive me for my many mistakes.

Se Kineya is a must read. This book wil change your life, forever. The price of the book says it all £Read, Contemplate, Act.

Incidentally, the USA sangat will also be celebrating Baba Jee's barsi (in livingstone I think) anybody able to confirm the details?

I come from a family who have been immensley blessed with the darshan and seva of such an amazing Mahapurukh. One such occasion comes to mind, when Baba Jee blessed my grandfather with their pavitaar darshan over 25 years ago... My grandfather was a mona, as was the rest of the family... When Baba Jee met with my parivaar, they asked my grandfather why they had cut their kes after coming to the UK. My grandfather responded with the same excuse that many of their generation did, they needed to fit into this country and they had to work and live amongst these people. Baba Jee, full of nimerta and pyaar responded to this excuse saying "Pyaraa Singh Jee, the British ruled over India for so long, they lived amongst us, they worked amongst us, not once did they adopt our way of life, they didn't give their heads.. and they ruled over us for years upon years.. you have been living here for such a short space of time, and already you've adopted their indentity, this is not right" My grandad listened to Baba Jee and said satbachan... with the kirpaa of Dhan Saahib Sri Guroo Granth Saahib jee Maharaaj, and Baba Jee's Bachan, they kept their kes first, began to keep rehet and eventually they were blessed with Amrit... Thanks to the seva of such a soul, our parents, and extended family were also blessed with Amrit, and my baba jee who at one time was a mona with no pyaar for Sikhi has been blessed with Guroo Jees kirpaa time and time again. This is the virtues of such an amazing soul... the book, SE KINEYA is life changing, everyone should read it.. inside it, it has the price listed as "READ, CONTEMPLATE, ACT" this is truely a heavy price to pay.. but once paid can only improve a persons jeevan. The book will act as a guide to all the questions a person has. Furthermore, those who have not yet been to Rampurkhera Saahib, you must take on this yatra.. the atmosphere is so amazing. The barsi in India will leave your batteries recharged, and a special love for Maharaaj that you will find no place else.

Looks like a great turnout of Sikhs. Looking forward tyo next year, we should all attempt to make a bigger impact - particularly as we will also be celebrating the 300th gurgaddi divas of Guroo Granth Saahib Jee... perhaps start getting some young Sikhs together to plan it...

Ditto. I have tried to post a response on the Daily Mail site three times in the past 24 hours, just checked the comments board and none of the comments have been approved.

George Mudie MP Leeds East has been contacted, as yet no response, but contact has been made by a couple of individuals so we hope to meet him there. Also, facebook event created for those who want to keep up to date via it... http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=6265672737&ref=mf

I've not posted on here for a very long time but seeing these pictures brought back some fabulous memories. I visited the home of Bhai Saahib Bhai Harjinder Singh Jinda two years ago... upon walking into their living room, I saw a picture much like the ones above... I couldn't stop staring at it, mesmeriesd, thinking I have seen him somewhere before, but couldn't quite make out where. Mata Gurnam Kaur (Bhai Saahib's mother) asked me if I knew who the picture was of... I stared a little longer before answering, "Is it Bhai Saahib" Mata jee smiled.. of course it was him... they went over the the picture, removed it from the wall and handed it to me. It sits in my room to this day. The pic I have is of Bhai Saahib at a time when they were working in --- BOLLYWOOD! Mata Jee said, they used the fact that they were monae to their advantage; they worked for the biggest Indian industry and even had a picture of Indira Gandhi with them, they would dupe their colleagues by putting a mala around her pic and putting dhoof (incence sticks) nearby. This was all part of their master plan. Even at the time when the above pics were taken, they knew that they were going to keep their kesh and becomes our Guroo's own. Everyone should draw inspiration from these Mahan Shaheeds.. they (Harjinder Singh, Sukhdev Singh and Baljinder Singh (Rajoo)) did sangat of Sant Jee long before their mission started and the intensity and love for Sikh came along before even then. When Mata Jee returns to the UK (shortly) all should do sangat with them, and realise the beauty of prem which took these souls to walk the saffron coloured battlefield of shaheedi.