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  1. Well, I only have one thing to say to JGill it is “Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt (in this case write on a forum), I can not believe that somebody could be this stupid.
  2. This is déjà vu all over again for the Sikhs. Let’s see recent Sikh history: Most of the so called Sikhs called Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindrawale congress or GOI agent; only after Operation Blue Star (and his death) some Sikh people changed their mind. Yes, other issues were that taksal has different Rehat than Akal thakat, so he must have an agenda. Now our favorite thing is “Oh! he doesn’t believe in Dasam Granth”, so that person cannot be a Sikh. These same people were calling Baba Monochal GOI agent and Black cat, and his only crime was that he was still alive when most other Sikh freedom fighters have already died. One day I asked this Sikh - what Baba Monochal has to do to prove that he is not a government agent- to my surprise, his answer was if he get killed then we will know he is no an agent. I can repeat this story for every good Sikh (e.g., General Labh Singh, Sukhdev Singh Babbar, just put any Sikh shaheeds name here). Sikhs just cannot believe that any good Sikh can be alive. That is just such a shame. I will not even try to defend Bittu here because unless he is killed by the police we are not going to believe that he is a good Sikh. All I am saying is that at this point he has done more for Shaheed Singh’s family then anybody else I know. He has gone to their (i.e., shaheed families) houses, organized akand paths at their houses, and provided them monetary help. If you cannot see anything good in his tasks then I am not sure what you think is good. I am not trying to say that I know everything about Bittu, maybe you guys are right. However, that does not change the fact that at this point not body is doing more for shaheed families' than he is. Now, we have one person who is trying to stand up for Sikhs’ right and we are calling him traitor. Well, that is what we Sikhs do, and I don’t think this missive is going to change anything.
  3. To call Bhai Bittu a govt agent is very insulting to most Sikhs. If he is a government agent then what is Badal? So according to your theory now Indian government has arrested Bittu because he is their agent (this doesn’t even make any sense). Last time I checked he has spent more than 10 years in jail (I guess that is how government treats its agents now). I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish here, but you are definitely not helping Sikh cause; however, you are definitely helping Indian government propaganda.
  4. Why every Indian from India says this to us? Is there some kind of jealousy that we adopted other land as our country instead of India? When one wants to debate then he/she should take good lessons on "How not to get personal by name calling and using degrading language." I read many of your posts in the past das_nimana and posted good but however lately you got frustrated with sangat residing abroad specially on the issue that most of us balaitey do not support bittu. Even if we have difference (except religious), we can find the common ground and have a civil discussion without name calling each other.. Yeh? Because you people without knowing the facts keep dubbing Bhai Bittu as govt agent. If Bhai Bittu is a govt agent then why have Babbar Khalsa,United Khalsa Dal(UK) and many Sikh organisations strongly condemned the arrest of Bittu and openly supported him ? Do you consider them also govt agents ? If Bhai Bittu is a CIA agent then why has the same CIA arrested him like a dreaded criminal and are holding him in iron chains? It is only Bittu who has remain unfazed and unchanged despite the odds and up & downs the Sikh movement has faced.He reminds us of those days when every Sikh used to feel proud of having beard and wearing turban despite the fake encounters of Sikhs and the terror unleashed by the govt.That was something amazing to see.He reminds us of the "anakh" of Sikhs and he is the only one representing it at the moment.Other so called panthic parties wake up only during the election times. Bhai Bittu is the single biggest threat to the badals at this time.That is why the giddar badals are holding the lion Bhai Daljit Singh Khalsa in "iron chains". Govt,police media dubb every person who talks for genuine demands of Sikhs as anti national.At the same time these 3 try to tarnish their(true Sikh's) image in the minds of people by dubbing them as govt agents.In this way doubts are created in people's minds.They did this by branding Sant Jarnail Singh as a Congress agent and at the same time calling him extemist.In this way they try to isolate a true Sikh and then strike at him.They did this with Sant Bhindranwale and are doing the same with Bhai Bittu and they seem to be succeeding as is evident from the comments in this forum. Moderator S1ngh please answer by above questions.You have accused me of personal attack It is you has been personally attacking me by giving me un neccesarry warnings without any valid reasons.You need some lessons in how to do moderation in a group. we are not in politics. I do not eulogise politicians. The role of this forum is to promote religion. We are here to learn about religion from each otehrs experience. This is not a propaganda forum for a particular politician. So learn something about your religion here. If you have any misunderstanding about sikhism and you seem to have a lot please discuss here. At this point, Bhai Daljit Singh Bittu is doing more for Sikh Shaheeds than anybody else. He has spent more than 10 years in jail, and I can not believe that some people are calling him govt agent. I guess if you are not supporting Bittu, then who are you supporting in punjab (I will like to know).
  5. Only Sikh I know who captured Lal Quila/Delhi (multiple times) is Sardar Bhagel Singh. Please provide me some historical references for Sardar Jassa Singh Ahluwalia and Akali Phola Singh (I am not doubting that they captured Delhi, I will just like to have some references). Interestingly, Sardar Bhagel Singh left captured Delhi, so he can celebrate Diwali in Amritsar, this shows that Sikhs at that time did not think that capturing Delhi is a big thing.
  6. Thanks for the clarification. I didn't know that. Were the civil authorities moving against him? (Was this the reason he was going to the courts?) Yes, hindu authorities always move against Sikh killers, which world you living in. Just remember tytler, sajan, kps.
  7. My understanding is that Santji and Babbar came together in June 1984 to fight the Indian Army. I am not sure if they were communicating with each other before the Indian Army attack.
  8. Khalsa ji, how do you know there anti sant ji? :umm: Yogo Bhajan was good friends with saint ji there is also pictures on the internet. Also they are very fond of bhai fauja singh and the tera shaheeds. Also, is there a linkt that we can see about akall securities. Much apreciated Bhul Chuck Maaf Sorry, I should have elaborated more, I thought everybody (i.e., most Sikhs) know that Sikhnet/Yogi do not support (I think, I should have used the word support instead of anti) Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindrawale. You are right, they had close relation with Bhai Fauja Singh ji, but I don’t see that in any kind of action by Sikhnet or other Sikhs who are influenced by Yogi Bhajan. Sikhnet has this article about the martyrdom of Akal Takhat on their site, but they don’t mention Sant Ji (if they do, it is not in any good way, I will try to put that link here too). There is also this Sikh lady form Sikhnet who talks about the martyrdom of Akal Takhat, and she never mentions Sant ji (she is on youtube, and you can listen to her on the site I am providing here about Akal Takhat article). I don’t think it is right to mention martyrdom of Akal Takhat without mentioning Sant ji. [/size] I still don’t want to be very critical of them because in many ways they are better Sikhs than me. I also realize that many of then come from hippie background, and talking about violence is taboo for them (also they don’t want to be controversial, but as a Sikh they need to stand for what is right, and money should not be the only concern). So in some ways I do understand where they are coming form, but I have the right not to give them my money. Moreover, if you read their discussion board, most to the discussions are anti shaheeds (I am talking about recent shaheeds). If you try to write something pro Sant Ji, it gets rejected. Here is the link about Akal Securities: http://www.sikhnet.com/news/american-sikhs-run-billion-dollar-security-firm This is the link about Akal Takhat, I am not saying it is all bad, but they need to come straight up and say Sant ji was right and Indian govt. was wrong. Also listen to the Sikh lady on this site she is talking about martyrdom of Akal Takhat, and she never mention Sant ji. http://www.sikhnet.com/pages/akal-takhat-martyrdom
  9. They are anti Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa Bhindrawale, so I don't donate any money to them anymore. Moreover, they run Akaal securites for the US govt(not sikhnet per se, but same individuals work for the both organization), which have more than 1 billion dollars in revenues, and their policy is not to hire turbaned sikhs.
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