jgill

for the khalistanis who died, they were real soldiers and ive said that many times, i havn't bin driven away from sikhi by hypocrites cause i was blessed to find gursikhs in my life who inspire ppl around them to come closer to god, but what does anger me is when you see those guys who try to scream the loudest in the gurdwara and pass judgement on others who drive many youth away from sikhism by angering them and we are running low on gursikhs who inspire others and don't judge others its gotton so bad that alot of these hypocrites who say your a bad sikh or not a sikh cause you do this and that are begining to be attacked, i guess that might be god's way of trying to shut them up, but for true gursikhs they do nothing but inspire others yes we shud not pass judment on who is sikh and who isnt, i agree these ppl needto shut up and i know wat kind of ppl u are talking about and i can think fo a few in my head i can't believe your the only one who got my point

as well you guys already defined to me what a sikh is, this thread isn't a debate about whats a sikh or not but from some of your guys post you should be able to just say no these guys were not sikhs what i want to do, is stop the hypocrites who go around judging others

Great post Bhenji THat's what I have been trying to explain to jgill. I know I am paapi and what I do wrong will not be jusfied by using SIkhi. Because it is wrong no matter wha,t and what I do will be judged hear after, but if i know I am doing wrong then it's better to find out now so we can correct ourselves and move forward in SIkhi. That's what we have to get away from; our vices. IN every breath we have to work toward being a better Sikh, not look at someone else's downfalls and say I don't do that so I'm a SIkh. Bhenji i was trying to get jgill to look at how Guru Shaib defines a Sikh and then follow that instead justfy his wrong doings by others and then call himself a Sikh. Sorry you had to get into this whole mess. I know you probably had better thing to do. Your input was much appreciated and if us moorakhs still want to argue about this just let us till one of us gives up and slanders the other. It's a heated arguement that is already over, but just let it keep going. sorry i mistaked you for inder singh, i guess i saw your name with his post and had it mixed teh whole time, my apology for that but guys im just asking a simple question, im not trying to change the definition of a sikh i just want to know if you guys think these guys were sikhs or not, very easy question yet you guys are to scared to answer it, is it cause you may be exposed as being hypocrites if you can't answer the question then thanks for proving my point

why have non of you guys answered the questions see ill explain the reason i posted this question, cause we got to many so called hypocritical sikhs judging sikhs who want to come closer to god, and i know judging someone is just as bad as drinking cause only god can judge, and i want to know the reason behind their hypocritical behaviour me on the other hand i work every day to build a closer relationship with god, and one day i will take amrit but i havn't grown to the point i am ready but please answer the questions were these men sikhs or not

ive read the reply's, could you answer which question has bin answered out of the 6 i just posted these questions i just posted are things like how your going to get khalistan, with half the youth being on drugs, you can't have a revolution or get a country with half the youth on drugs cause they are driven by money to by their next hit, which means punjab is getting worste for corruption and crime and if its getting worste then how do khalistani supporters plan on turning these problems around to get khalistan, cause without turning the problems around you arn't going to have a revolution, as well you can't solve any problems if you want to play victim and blame the indian govt for the youth getting hooked on drugs, cause if you believe the reason youth are hooked on drugs is cause the indian govt then i guess you guys don't have a solution on stopping drug addictions and which means no khalistan were as independent groups who are trying to come up with solutions are taking the accountable approach, and asking questions like why are the youth hooked on drugs and rather then playing victim and blaming the indian govt their looking at ppl's paranting skills in punjab and looking in areas parants are failing to educate their kids on the conquences of drugs and were parants are failing to keep their boys busy to keep them away from drugs and noticing how many boys are spoiled which ive seen in punjab which is giving boys free time to run around and do what they want and on top of that when you mix in their parants money you got a bad combination cause the money time they have and lack of education on drugs lead to youth getting hooked on drugs and leads them to experiment with drugs, so we come up with questions as how to educate parants on how to keep their children away from drugs and how to make youth aware of the consquences of drugs, but biggest thing is getting a message to parants my question is once agian how do khalistanis plan on getting khalistan with huge drug addictions, its impossible cause theirs to much corruption and crime and its just about to explode cause of the drug addictions, and how do you guys plan on solving the drug problem by just blaming the indian govt, cause by blaming the indian govt your not getting to the root of the problem hence why you can't solve the problem cause i can't figure out how you are, it just sounds like you guys are stuck in a circle and thsi may explain why in punjab ppl are falling away from sikhi, while you guys just chant khalistan, hence why ppl like me believe their isn't going to be khalistan, and why ppl like me say rather then wasting energy on chanting khalistan to invest that energy in solving commmunity problems, but you can't solve community problems by playing victim and blaimging others, cause no one puts a gun to anyonce head and makes them do drugs so tahts why you can't blame the indian govt but if you want to blame the indian govt for the drug problem, with a drug problem how you going to get a revolution going and get khalistan, with so much crime and corruption and with it about to get worste with so many youth who are going to be running the punjab and with so much of the youth being drug addicts which is a breeding ground for crime and corruption, especially just blaming the indian govt, cause you can't get a revolution started with these type of problems, and you can't solve the drug problem by playing victim and blaming the indian govt but if you believe you can solve the drug problem by blaming the indian govt tell me how do khalistanis plan on doing it cause the drug problem bin getting worste while you guys chant khalistan????

for the khalistanis who died, they were real soldiers and ive said that many times, i havn't bin driven away from sikhi by hypocrites cause i was blessed to find gursikhs in my life who inspire ppl around them to come closer to god, but what does anger me is when you see those guys who try to scream the loudest in the gurdwara and pass judgement on others who drive many youth away from sikhism by angering them and we are running low on gursikhs who inspire others and don't judge others its gotton so bad that alot of these hypocrites who say your a bad sikh or not a sikh cause you do this and that are begining to be attacked, i guess that might be god's way of trying to shut them up, but for true gursikhs they do nothing but inspire others

no insults no nothing I ask these questions cause many will say, if your not a gursikh you cannot be a sikh, if you don't follow sikhi has hard as you can, you cannot be sikh yet they'll say these men were, which to me sounds hypocritical, cause ppl who say you need to be gursikh or follow sikhi hard as you can to be sikh, say its cause gurbani says you have to follow sikhi hard as you can or be gursikh to be sikh, i just want to know how ppl can say these guys our sikhs and others arn't who cut their hair or drink, but if you don't believe these men were sikhs thats alright cause itleast your not being hypocrites and arn't judging others but truly believe this is what you have to do to be a good sikh just answer the question, were maharaja ranjit singh a sikh, even though he drank ate meat and had many wives and mistresses was he a sikh YES or NO and why were ment like kartar singh and udham singh sikhs who cut their hair YES or NO and why For ppl who say these men were not sikhs, then you can't say sikhs ever had an empire that the empire was a punjabi empire under ranjit singh and ONLY FIVE, i would love to get you to answer some questions on this topic cause you believe that these three were sikhs yet you judge others who cut their hair or drink and say they cannot be sikhs, and you say this cause you say gurbani says these ppl can't be sikhs cause of these actions, so if gurbani says this then why would you say ranjit singh udham singh kartar singh are sikhs???

no whats sad is all the so called gursikhs who drive sikhs away from the gurdwara with their hypocritical behaviour i know in sikhi judging another person is bad as drinking is cause only god can judge but you have guys like ONLY FIVE, who go around judging non gursikhs, its guys like ONLY FIVE who are are begining to get attacked and are driving ppl away from the gurdwara Reason i ask questions like do you think ranjit singh udham singh kartar singh are sikhs is cause a so called gursikh will say yea they were, but these same so called gursikhs will judge others who drink and say their not sikh, or who ever cuts their hair is not sikh but a question for guys like ONLY FIVE if kartar singh and udham singh cut their hair how can you call them sikhs yet others non sikh, you see how hypocritical your being by doing this or saying ranjit singh is sikh but saying others arn't if they drink or participate in pre marital sex or what ever What i believe is dumb and i don't believe you need to love keertan to love god, so tell me if someone is willign to die for god, but has a problem connecting spiritually to god say things through kirtan, then how can you say they don't love god?????? and ppl rather then just ask questions answer mine and ask questions, ONLY FIVE i answered your question but your avoiding mine, cause i just exposed you as the hypocrite you are, go look up the definition of a hypocrite, practise what you preach and for everyone else, if you can call men like ranjit singh udham singh kartar singh sikhs, yet say someone else isn't cause they cut their hair, then see ranjit singh needed to drink and have sex, he loved hunting and eating meat, yet he loved god and sikhi, so how can you say if someone else can't be a gursikh can't love god, here's a man who did more then any other sikh but if your going to say this person or that person isn't sikh cause they cut their hair or drink then you might as well say then you might as well say punjab never had a empire, cause according to alot of your guys definition of sikh then ranjit singh isn't a sikh and that sikhs never had any famous freedom fighters cause udham singh and kartar singh cut their hair, heck udham singh time to time would say he was sikh hindu muslim and change his name to follow these three names, but their so called gursikhs like ONLY FIVE who tries to tell others a definition of a sikh yet udham singh doesn't fall into your definition of a sikh and you call him one, which shows how big of a hypocrite your kind our Honestly theirs alot of ppl at each gurdwara in every city around the world and on these forums who are so called gursikh and yet judge others and say this person isn't a sikh or this person is a bad sikh cause these guys say they don't fit the definition of sikhi yet they'll call guys like ranjit singh udham singh kartar singh sikhs even though they don't fit into the definition of sikhi which shows, they are insecure judgemental low confident human beings Once again ONLY FIVE, can you tell me when kartar singh udham singh and ranjit singh don't fit into the definition of what you say gurbani says is a sikh, then why call them sikhs yet judge others and say this person isn't a sikh and a warning ONLY FIVE, if you judge the wrong person out in the world, they might physicall attack you cause human nature is ppl hate being judged and get angered by it, hence why so called gursikhs like yourself drive ppl away from the gurdwara

it was pretty bad how i replied but just answer the questions, cause those questions arn't the same, those questions are for example how you going to get khalistan by blaming the indian govt (who i don't believe are at the root of the problem) for the drug problem in punjab just take the drug problem alone, long as its their and grows, their ain't ever going to be a khalistan your going to have a growth in crime and corruption cause these junkies going to need money to get their hits as well, how you going to solve a drug problem by giving the typical khalistani response as blame the govt

chall i didn't repeat any questions, see my last id got deleted by the moderators like i said earlier, but you are to dumb to understand that, your just to stupid to relize those questions are different from the others, and the last question i just posted was how you going to fight drugs and youth dropping out and get khalistan if your answer to all problems is blame the indian govt lol and you couldn't answer this hence why khalistanis are wasting their time chanting khalistan yet have mad 0 progress and khalistan grows to be more distant every day as more ppl are falling away from sikhism and falling into things like drugs and falling out of the education system i mean khalistanis like you and im assuming you must have a khalistani family just like to waste time chanting khalistan while hiding like cowards in canada england were ever you live see you can't even explain how you plan on solving these problems cause khalistanis havn't solved a problem?? tell me which problem have you guys solved or plan on solving and how, i never asked these questions but your a stupid cowardly khalistani whose father must chanted khalistan in the 80's with no guts to fight but just stayed overseas away from canada like a coward talking about how he wants khalistan just answer the questions or don't post again cause your doing what khalistanis do best now a days, just cry, and you guys have to stop crying cause even gora who watch you guys on tv ask why didn't you guys ever go fight for khalistan or go fight for it

and if the questions i posted are to hard for you guys, cause they havn't bin answered, tell me which question has bin answered and post the answer and ill shutup and say im sorry, i won't even defend myself promise but i don't want a dumb answer like blame indian govt for everything cause by blaming the indian govt lol hahahaha how you guys going to get khalistan, (plus kerelas youth are christians have far less oppurtunity's and i just proved punjab is the best state in india i posted articles showing its ranked best state and second richest yet the christian youth in kerela with less oppurtunity's are getting educated in far greater numbers while punjab's numbers shrink, which shows you can't blame the indian govt, as well why isn't indian govt destroying youth in kerela then) but yea blaming the indian govt isn't going to bring you closer to khalistan, cause you ain't solving anything blaming the indian govt, and its impossible to get khalistan with half the youth on drugs and dropping out of school while you waste your time chanting khalistan and blame indian govt, cause their are far far far greater amount of drug addicts now and boys dropping out of school compared to 80s and 90s and khalistan didn't happen then and drug addictions lead to more corruption and if half the use aare getting hooked on drugs that means half the youth will do anything to get their next hit of drugs and they need money to get that and will resort to corruption and crime to gget that money which means punjab is headed towards real trouble so answer the questions so i can see what you guys plan on doing to solve the problems to get khalistan, cause you can't get khalistan with these problems unless your an <banned word filter activated> but yea if youcan't answer this question all it shows is your no different then the cowards who use to hide in canada in 80s and 90s saying they want khalistan but just wasted time and energy chanting khalistan and continueing to waste time and energy chanting khalistan

could you tell me which question is the same, just tell me point to one or just tell me which question has bin answered point to one out of the once i just posted, like number 2, here ill make question 2 more simple, if you believe the indian govt is the cause of the drug problem in punjab, then how you goign to get khalistani how are you going to fight the drug addictions to get khalistan, cause punjab will get worste in corruption with drug addictions or is the solution to getting khalistan all talk and no walk, just like all the current khalistanis who were or are members of babbar khalsa sikh youth federation screamed in the 80's and 90's but never went and did anything to get khalistan cause they got scared and just wanted to hide in the west?? actually its the non khalistani and indo canadian groups in canada who are actually workign on comming up with solutions, but if im wrong on this then answer me this, what have khalistanis done to improve the state of the sikh community what are you guys investing your energy on, like drug problem in punjab you know its non khalistani organisations working on handling the problem while khalistanis just blame the indian govt for everything, i talked about this in another forum but group i get to volunteer with want to use events like nagar kirtan to raise awarness of the problem in punjab and to get money donated to be used on telivision comercials to scare youth, its a big goal now and may take few years but theirs enough of us who can't sit back and watch the problem get worste, while khalistanis waste their energy chanting khalistan cause all i see is the same guys who were to scared to go fight in the 80's and 90's just crying about the same stuff but offering no solutions like i said tell me which question has bin answered, or just answer one of the questions, or be a typical khalistani who would rather hide and scream khalistan rather then do anything or think of ways of getting khalistan, just like all the old cowards did who use to hide in canada and england chanting khalistan to scared to fight or do anything to get khalistan as well i had to change my account cause the moderator deleted my other account cause of my comments regarding khalistan, i think me saying 99% of khalistanis don't have the guts to fight for khalistan <Edited> them off i mean all the khalistanis who wanted to fight for it went and died fighting but their army's were extremely small cause majority of khalistanis were to busy hiding scared in country's like canada and chanting khalistan

why did shere punjab leave, they were a good group

read the whole thread, every single thing has been answered numerous times. which one of these questions have bin answered, could you copy and paste answers to questions 2 and 6 for me or just 2 or just 6 or any of the other questions

never have run away when things have gotton thick, could you tell me were i have or are you just being dumb again look at what i highlighted from your post, but yet you call kartar singh udham singh and ranjit singh sikhs even though they cut their hair had many wives and affairs drank achole ate meat but others non sikhs if they cut their hair or drink or whatever tell me why call these guys sikhs and others non sikhs who drink or cut their hair and so on this shows how big of a idotic hypocrite you are do you know the definition of a hypocrite Your still running man. Whether I or anyone else calls themselves a Sikh or another Sikh is not the discussion here based on a certain criteria. We are discussing how Guru Sahib, the Shabad Guru describes and defines a Sikh. Status and fame of owning anything is trivial and does not hold up in Guru Sahibs court. Devotion and dedication is looked at as virtues. You seem not to get this so this is why your bring others names up in this arguement, which is again irrevelant. Again we are defining a Sikh by Gurbani not looking at anothers downfalls and then justfying and find the definition of Sikh. And this is only done to make ignorant people realize Renu bakishis intentions on writing the article you presented and praise in so many ways as if it is the final word of God. This is getting old and if your unwilling to answer the questions I put forward then in the next 2 or 3 post you won't get a response from me. Not going to waste my time with a person that only likes to rant and bring up baseless arguments. now im going to answer your question, but you in return have to answer mine, i don't want to hear anything else accept an answer to my questions, is that fair, if not tell me why and i believe a sikh is someone who loves his sikhi and works towards building a relationship with god, and someone who would die for god, but it doesn't mean someone has to be gursikh to want to die for god cause i know alot of ppl who find keertan boring and just can't connect spiritually yet still have a love for sikhi and god i believe a sikh is a student of god and that to be a sikh you must grow in life and grow your relationship with god i believe sikhi means learner now my questions since i answered yours, im not insulting you or anything but don't run away from this question you said that anyone who drinks or cuts their hair isn't a sikh yet you call men like kartar singh udham singh ranjit singh sikhs why do you believe kartar singh udham singh ranjit singh are sikhs and why do you call them sikhs yet anyone else who cuts their hair or drinks a non sikh and a punjabi cause by your definition of sikhism then we never had an empire it was a punjabi empire god didn't want to give any sikhs an empire it seems like then their are no famous freedom fighters the sikhs produced by your definition of sikhism