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  1. dass wonders why k_z post which has no concrete evidence is allowed? Isnt his post a personal attacks on others who are not forum users ? hence, unable to reply back to his allegations. its obvious this is a "taksal" forum and has no place for regular sikhsangat.....any AKJ bashing thread is allowed to prolong.....if a thread related toTaksal's "claims" & idelogy are questioned(even they stand on MERE STORIES)...moderators come running to lock and discard it away! look like the name of the site needs to be changed from sikhsangat.com to taksalsangat.com am done with this place...... There is no problem with finding out what happend or requesting for the audio - but why makes statements such as "Nindya of DT & Mahapursh" (as K_Z did to satrt off this topic) when you havent even heard it yet or were not there? That's the problem - we hear/or see something on the net and we belive it. Lets stick to the facts and not hearsay or other peoples opinions - they become hearsay and chinese whispers....and ultimately nindya, which is anything that is not a fact!
  2. That is exactly what we need - but the sad part is when our jathedars are chosen by anti-pathic leaders/people - they will not allow the true scholars to come forward into the debate forums. We need a committee of scholars set up - who know about the topic in order to come to a resolution and present that to akal takht without becoming personal. This is what SGPC and dhram parchar comittee should be doing - but unfortunatley it looks as thought they are being puppetted also by Badal!
  3. thats true though aint it!!! its about time we stood up to these people who are trying to divide us from the inside if people cant see that those named above are agents and are trying to kill sikhi as we know it then there blind as hell!! So does that statement in bold include the likes of Bhai Randhir Singh who did not belive in Raag Mala? Even Sant Jarnail Singh, who believed in Raag mala scolded a singh for reading it at Akal Takht when he read it there and the marayda said otherwise. This shows that Sant ji had more respect for the Guru roop sangat's decission than his own belief. It's sad that we are all fighting about his when the Akal Takht could so easliy give some direction for all Sikhs to follow. But until Badal & his goons are running the show that aint gonna happen. Lets do something practical to eliminate the root cause rather than sit here fighting about the reprocussions. i dont want to turn this into a raagmala debate.....but my views on this are clear cut and i fully agree with wat was said....no exceptions with regards to sant jarnail singh ji.....if wat u said is true (because its the 1st iv heard of it) that shows that they had the upmost respect for guru hargobind sahibs thakht and didnt in anyway want to show it in a bad light...not anything else......in the same way they didnt matha tekh within the actual harmindir sahib because the akaal thakht stated guns could not be taken in there....it was out of respect for the thakht!! I do not wish to turn this into a Raag Mala debate either, but was just commeingting the post which was posted earlier. My personal view is that whoever said/wrote that statement is not a sikh himself! Guru sahib made us Lions not sheep, so don't follow what we have been told or what we read on internet forums, or even conferences for that matter. There is no point of slating other jathebandi who have different marayada - this is what our enemies want, we are giving it to them on a plate - so carry on if that's what you want! If you believe in Raag mala/SDGS then good - but how many of you have read the preceding 1429 ang of SGGS, or all of SDGS? Are we too lazy to do our own research with the mat, the brain that guru sahib has given us? Are we just saying what we are told to say? Do your own research before judging anyone else. If we don't agree with what a particular jathebandhi has said/done - lets approach them like brothers and sit down and have a logical debate, rather than holding conferences too engage in jatha-bashing!! It's going to get us nowhere! And I bet even this post is going to fall on deaf ears - I doubt anyone will be bothered to do anything another than what we have been already doing in this post and others!! Ask yourselves really will it benefit you in anyway? is your post going to change anyone else's opinion? Are you psoting just to get one over someone? We are all here to help each other thorugh the journey of life, if you can;t do that and its your ego speaking then please - benti to keep your opinions to yourself. But if you want to dicsuss issues logically and in a civilised way without getting personal then by all means, I look forward to your posts.
  4. thats true though aint it!!! its about time we stood up to these people who are trying to divide us from the inside if people cant see that those named above are agents and are trying to kill sikhi as we know it then there blind as hell!! So does that statement in bold include the likes of Bhai Randhir Singh who did not belive in Raag Mala? Even Sant Jarnail Singh, who believed in Raag mala scolded a singh for reading it at Akal Takht when he read it there and the marayda said otherwise. This shows that Sant ji had more respect for the Guru roop sangat's decission than his own belief. It's sad that we are all fighting about his when the Akal Takht could so easliy give some direction for all Sikhs to follow. But until Badal & his goons are running the show that aint gonna happen. Lets do something practical to eliminate the root cause rather than sit here fighting about the reprocussions.
  5. What is in you mind veer ji? What does your heart tell you? He is doubting charitropakhayan.He has not even read it and believes in hearsays. Charitropakhayan is cautionary and not entertaining as these perverts try to propagate. When you want to caution others about moral degradation or ill effects of unbridled kam ( sex) you have to write in that language to make people to understand. He does not know that one of our bajjar kurehit comes from charitropakhayn.That bajjar kurehit is not to indulge in extra marital affair. i am not from Damdami taksal.I do not know what they do. But i can say that this is bani of tenth master and its manuscript of 1720 is still preserved in Punjab university library.Those who condemn this writing may have to find a new religion. Now you are changing your tone.A few posts before you were saying per directive of akal takhat this is not from tenth master. Need to say before spreading such malicious propaganda remember that no one has liberty to disown bani of our Gurus. That was something I read - Ialready told you I didn't write it - The reason I posted it was because I wanted to know your thoughts on it!
  6. I do not celebrate my birthday. We celebrate our gurus birthday and it had been a tradition to do do so since guru period. Moorakh ji wrote We get so many things from internet.we need to use our mind also before forwarding such lies especially when they concern our scripture.So you do not have the refrenece of what you posted . You should say that you were wrong as no such letter exists.It is a propaganda by kala afghana forces and atheists. Charitroplahayan is a writing of tenth master and purpose is to caution khalsa from moral pitfalls. it is for gurmukh jogis and not manmukh bhogis. Khalsa has been reading it and had mainteined an examplery character especially during wars. they were praised for their character by enemies. Detractors of this bani like kala afghanas was sentenced by a canadian court for moral turpitude at the age of plus 75. Shame on such heretics who have no character themselves , indulge in moral turpitude when posted as a granthi in a Gurudwara and yet have the face to write against bani that tempers character of a sikh. Well Same can be said about what you are saying - because I am getting this from the internet too? You didn't answer the questions I asked : No one has a problem with bani of Dasam granth! Just that it Guru granth is our only Guru! Before you say no-one is saying SDG is not given gurgaddi, then why have I seen so many adverts such as Sri GURU DG path...? Also when santhiya of Charitropakhyan is done at DT, why are women not allowed to participate?
  7. Who celbrates divali here? I thpugh we only c;ebrate ABndhio Schor You cannot compare the gurpurab of a guru to recent history event! All recent history is done to the western calendar..always has been done! Why can you not stay on point - You know what they mean!! That's still an event in history!
  8. We are discussing issues here and not personalities. Bhindrewale has done a wonderful job for the glory of khalsa panth. He is a great hero of ours. The thread on hand is not make of fun of him as his detractors are doing here. His detractor proving himself to be a stooge of the same RSS forces by writing derogatory about sant Bhindrewale whom he is condemning. Let us focus on the issues and not personalities. Inder Singh - You have been the one targeting personalities and making this personal as well - If we discuss the issue and facts then maybe we can have a civilised discussion. No need to get personal as you have said!! I agree - focus on the issues and facts! Do not equate Gurus birthday to that of yours. Gurus birthday dates have to be when they were born. You have not understood what i tried to convey.When guru nanak dev ji was born moon was full. By fixing his birthday on a date when moon is three quarter is foolishness. Moorakh ji wrote Where is the letter you were touting. Produce that or apologize.Ask your friend from kala afghnaa school to help you if they can. No one is comparing themselves to guru sahib - we are talking about calender dates! Where was the moon when you were born? Do you celebrate according to this? As I said I didnt write that paragraph I got is from somewhere!!Lets stikc to the questions and topic - you have not answered my other questions yet!! Stop avoiding them!
  9. Gurus birthday are histroical dates and are observed per lunar calender.No religion on earth follow solar calender. Bikrami calender is calender of Punjab and not of Hindus.Saka calender is a Hindu calender. Just as day ,night and evenings are not Hindu, in the same way lunar calender is not Hindu. Guru Nanak dev ji was born on full moon of kartik. You cann't fix a date for his birthday as done by Purewal as his birthday should fall on full moon. Bikrami Samvat calender was of Iranian origin and adapted by militant tribes of Punjab who made their mark in world history by putting a strong resistance against Alexander the great. They adopted it in 57 BC. This was known as Malva calender. History states that its name was changed to Bikrami calender in 858 AD. History also states that Raja Bikramidittaya was a mythological figure only. Bikrami calender is followed both Indian and Pakistan Punjabs. So why not start celebrating yours like that then? before you proceed further with your bukwas, may i know what is essence of charitropakhayan and what is wrong with it.Are you wiser than Guru sahib who wrote charitropakhayn. Some persons are writing bukwas here without having any knowledge of sikh history and are dishing out propaganda tales.They need to know saroop compiled by Bhai mani singh ji was a composite one consisting of SGGS ji and dasam Granthn sahib. You didn't answer my question mr spokesperson for DT? You didnt answer my other questions? Just answer the ones that suit you??
  10. I didn't actually write that - I got it from somewhere! Why don't you prve to me that GGS wrote Charitropakhayan ??
  11. In the early 1970s, Santokh Singh (a Sikh scholar) from Chandigarh wrote a letter to the Shromani Gurudwara Parbandak Committee (S.G.P.C.) quering the authenticity of the Dasam Granth as being of Guru Gobind Singh ji's hand. On 3rd August 1973, he received a reply from the S.G.P.C. stating: 'Chritter Pkhyan which are entered in the Dasam Granth, they are not the work of Guru Gobind Singh. They are ancient mythological stories of Hinduism.'('Dasam Granth Bareh Chonveh Lekh' by Principle Harbhajan Singh, P.122-123) The above reply was sanctioned by the then S.G.P.C. Jathedar (commander) of the Akal Takht, Sadhu Singh Bhaura, Chet Singh (Head Granthi of Golden Temple), Kirpal Singh Granthi and Sohan Singh (Granthi of Golden Temple). Gurus birthday are histroical dates and are observed per lunar calender.No religion on earth follow solar calender. Bikrami calender is calender of Punjab and not of Hindus.Saka calender is a Hindu calender. Just as day ,night and evenings are not Hindu, in the same way lunar calender is not Hindu. Guru Nanak dev ji was born on full moon of kartik. You cann't fix a date for his birthday as done by Purewal as his birthday should fall on full moon. Bikrami Samvat calender was of Iranian origin and adapted by militant tribes of Punjab who made their mark in world history by putting a strong resistance against Alexander the great. They adopted it in 57 BC. This was known as Malva calender. History states that its name was changed to Bikrami calender in 858 AD. History also states that Raja Bikramidittaya was a mythological figure only. Bikrami calender is followed both Indian and Pakistan Punjabs. So why not start celebrating yours like that then? before you proceed further with your bukwas, may i know what is essence of charitropakhayan and what is wrong with it.Are you wiser than Guru sahib who wrote charitropakhayn. Some persons are writing bukwas here without having any knowledge of sikh history and are dishing out propaganda tales.They need to know saroop compiled by Bhai mani singh ji was a composite one consisting of SGGS ji and dasam Granthn sahib. You didn't answer my question mr spokesperson for DT?
  12. When you celebrate you birthdays - do you do that by Bikrami calendar? When you celebrate you anniversary's - do you do that by Bikrami calendar? So why do it differently for Gurpurb's? Why follow brahmin ways according to the moon, sun, stars???
  13. Is that all you have to say!! Typical diverting tactics when you don't know what else to say!!! keep to the topic!!
  14. I agree with what Stoppropan. Comments made by individuals are not necessarily the views of all that were there, so to the hero's behind their PC's stop spreading lies and doing nindia of panthic organisations. You are doing nindia about 'someone doing nindia'.. wow that makes you soo much better! nindya!!!! Lol! Dont play games and try to turn this around....i see you've learnt well from your "so called" leaders!! As i explained above about wat they been doing for years...you've become just like them! Why didnt you get up and do something about it then if you were there... try and live up to ur name - even if it is a fake one!! lol
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