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  1. 'What is 'egg white' and can we eat products that contain 'egg white ?
  2. Balwant Singh cannot be executed until Jagtar Singhj Hawaras case has been completed, that is what the President said in his reply to the clemenct appeal (i.e. stay on execution). What is more dangerous is Professor Bhullars situation. His clemency appeal had been turned down, so my understanding is that he could be executed anytime
  3. The problem we have in the UK, is that most people want to be at the forefront or come up with ideas and 'run' with them, rather than thinking them through strategically. There are people and organisations within the Sikh community that have a lot of experience in dealing with the UK political system, we should make use of their skills and networks as well as the 'fresh ideas' that those that have not been so involved bring. My understanding is that the Sikh Council Uk was supposed to be act as a co-ordinator in bringing all this together, however if no-one contacts them with their ideas or projects, how are they to know
  4. I was watching the Sikh Channel programme on this, unfortunatley missed the Sikh Sangat one. Must say i was disappointed in the performance from so called panthic leaders of so called panthic jathebandis. If this is what we have as leading our so called newly formed jathebandis, IPD and Dharm Yudh Morcha, GOD SAVE US. Maybe SFUK and AKJ were the same on Sangat TV.
  5. The above is spot on and is exactly what has happened. Hopefully the Sangat and especially the youth can also understand this and only support any positive work that is being carried out, irrespective of which organisations is leading on that piece of work.
  6. Watched Sikh Channel last night, was suprised to see some of the people know working together, supporting the new Jatha, although they were all, the old federation Singhs. Was told that the split was due to some in the SFUK supporting Baba Dharm Singh, who was sent by Baba Harnam Singh to collect funds for the 84 memorial being bulit by the Akal Takht. The splinter group does not support Baba Harnam Singh and has no time for Singh Sahib Bhai Jasbir Singh Rode. So was suprised to see IPD senior members supporting this group. This is factionalism based on egos and plays into the 'hands of the Indian Intelligence agencies to discredit the Khalistan Movement. It is a shame that the Unity that Baba Taker Singh ji, inspired and created by his 'bachan' to all the Singhs supporting the Damdami Taksal to work together has been destoyed. Not sure who is to blame but differences could have been worked out, by creating seperate projects and project teams rather than create an new organisation. Hopefully all panthic organisations can still work together.
  7. The mysteries around the 'Dasam Duar', gateway / channel to an another dimension, where the soul journeys ending up in 'Sach Kand'
  8. Both Baba Harnam Singh ji and Bhai Amrik Singh have the interest of the Panth in their hearts, their approach to panthic work is different. Where both have strengths they also have weaknesess. What we must realise is that their is a power struggle within the Damdami Taksal for leadership, Baba Harnam Singh ji is the official mukhi of the Taksal, a decision that Bhai Amrik Singh ji does not agree with. Unfortunatley Baba Baljit Singh ji is seen as an opportunitist, by some, thus not taken seriously in Punjab panthic circles (not saying l agree with this). We should focus on the positive work they and all Gursikhs are doing and not on the negative, unless the negative has an adverse impact on the panth (i.e. total gadari with evidence, i.e. agreement with GOI on settlement of Sikh grievancies aganist the state, like Sant Longowal).
  9. Hold protests and highlight the wearing of the Kirpan, so the media can have a field day. My understanding is that this issue is being resolved through dialouge with the Met police, by the family supported by the local Gurdwara and sikh organisations, like United Sikhs and Sikh Council UK.
  10. Sikhs will be allowed to wear their Kirpans to the Olympics. It is up to LOCOG to respond. Lets not fall in the trap of engaging in conversation with the media on this, by defending ourselves and thus highlighting further. We have a right to wear the Kirpan at the Olympics, full stop.
  11. The reality is that the Sikh Channel is legally owned by Bal. He found a niche market and went for it. He is providing a free service to those that are not supporting it, but others are supporting his channel by paying for it. It is up to any individual if they want to support or not. Unfortunatley, people have a tendency to not pay for a free service. If he had done his market research he would have known this and thus had in place, alternative ways of funding this business venture. Expecting the Sikh community to drop all other financial support to other causes and automatically support the SC, and thus gain sustainability was a bit naive and not what one would expect from an intelligent Business Plan. He is providing a service, that is of great benefit to the Sikh community, however he has no right in demanding support for this service or holding the community to ransom, in that if they do not support SC will close. If he is not getting the support he thought he should have got, he needs to ask himself why not. If the channel is for the community, i.e. the peoples channel and is owned by the community, then why not legal ownership to a board of trustees nominated by those that pay funds to SC, i.e. direct debit payers. Or the very least a say in the management of SC. In relation to dedication to the Sikhi, he actually owns Brit TV, nothing wrong with that, its audience is those intersted in Anglo/Punjabi culture. SC was an extension of his business to cater for a religious audience. But how can a person be dedicated to the values of Sikhi and still promote values that go against these principles. He is a business man and i say good luck to him, to hold him as a saviour of Sikhi, i would question that. One really needs to analyse both positive and negative aspects of the Media. Unfortunatley due to poor and mis-management, the Sikh community is more divided now than before, so rather than uniting Sikhs, it has created divisions. However if this is accepted by the Channels, then it could be turned around with proper governance.
  12. Can we get it clear, Akali Dal Badal is not a 'panthic ' party. They have declared themselves as a party for all the people of Punjab and a Secular party. Being a secualr party is aganist the whole notion of 'miri and piri'. Secular means not aligned to any religion, thus cannot be panthic.
  13. Its our own fault, we always promote the Religious aspect of Vaisakhi as well as the cultural, i.e. harvest time celebrations etc. What No 10 through its advisors has done is combine the 2 together, hence the guy from Alap (Channi) and his daughter singing and the dancing. The main advisor for this event would have been Paul Uppal MP (tory) from Wolverhampton.
  14. It has been amazing to see how all Sikhs have been working on Bhai Balwant Singh ji's campaign and Lobbying from Panthic jathebandis, Sikh Council UK, Youths, Media and Individuals in the UK. What we have achieved from a European perspective is: Matter raised with the Foreign Office through MPs (letter writing and directly by SFUK) Matter raised in the European Parliament and EU Commmission (pressure on MEP;s and direct approaches) Letter from Amnesty International and Human Right Watch Matter raised with the United Nations Human Rights Commission, by delegation of Sikhs from Switzerland, France, Italy support from UK via briefing. Demos in UK and Europe Media coverage on mainstream regional TV and national press. The role of especially Youngsters, in terms of 'facebook, twitter, youtube' has been excellent and bought us up to date with modern communication methods. This has been great, but learning curves for this has been the need to co-ordinate all events so that the messages are similar. This has happened to a certain extent by the Federation of Sikh Organisations, SFUK and Sikh Council taking the lead or rather coordinating. With SOPW and Khalsa Aid supporting. The Media has played a great role in raising awarness but have failed in that they did not communicate what was happening and how it was being coordinated, simply because those that were coordinating happened to be from panthic jathebandis and the dis trust of them from Sikh Channel (fall out from Dastar day) and them being on Sangat. This all despite regular communication by them with Sikh Channel. However it was great to see Sikh Channel cover the Panthic meeting in Wolverhampton and this masks my earlier comments. What is also required is more mature and responsible people appearing on Chat and Discussion shows on both Channels. However there still seems a gap between the Youth and these organisations, in terms of communication and coordinating. It was great to hear that the Youth got together, what should have happened or needs to happen is that the youth need to get involved in decsion making and coordinating. The Sikh Council UK can play its role in ensuring that this happens as a bridge between all.
  15. Nawab Kapoor Singh was selected a jathedar as in the term of a leader, not the Akal Takht Jathedar. What we must realise is that the Akal Takht Jathedar is not the leader of the Sikhs. See below for selection of Nawab Kapoor Singh. What is required is for all Sikh Organisations both in India, i.e. SAD Mann, Panch Pardani, Dal Khalsa, Sant Samaj etc and those abroad to recognise him as a Jathedar of the Quom/Panth not just Akal Takht. The title of Nawab In 1733, the Mughal government decided, at the instance of Zakarya Khan, to revoke all repressive measures issued against the Sikhs and made an offer of a grant to them. The title of Nawab was conferred upon their leader, with a jagir consisting of the three parganas of Dipalpur, Kanganval and Jhabal. After a Sarbat Khalsa, the Sikhs accepted the offer. Kapur Singh was unanimously elected as the leader and chosen for the title. He was reluctant, but could not deny the unanimous will of the community. As a mark of respect, he placed the robe of honour('Siropa') sent by the Mughals at the feet of the Panj Piare - amongst whom were Baba Deep Singh, Bhai Karam Singh and Bhai Buddh Singh (great-great-grandfather of Maharaja Ranjit Singh - before putting it on. The dress included a shawl, a turban, a jewelled plume, a pair of gold bangles, a necklace, a row of pearls, a brocade garme
  16. The role of Sant Ranjit Singh is to be greatly applauded. He has been instrumental in the campaign playing a very positive leadership role. The Government dare arrest him as they know he has the most following amongst all the Sikh sants and leaders. Let him play what role he can and appreciate that.
  17. Let me put some points across regrading Bhai Balwant Singh ji and appointing him Jathedar: If it is to save his life, then what will we do with Bhai Jagtar Singh Hawara and any others know or in the future who face a similar situation, appoint them all Jathedars of the Akal Takht ? If the Government can attack and destroy the Akal Takht as in 1984, then surley they will not hesitate to execute the Jathedar, after they have controlled and assessesd the possible reaction. Bhai Balwant Singh ji is a leader of the freedom movement, by being Jathedar of Akal Takht, he will be drawn into the current system (it cannot be changed overnight), of being paid and reporting to the SGPC, and then as that is elected under the constitution of India, will be under that system, which he is fighting against. If Bhai Sahib ji speaks out as he is doing, then the SGPC, under the influence of SAD Badal (they have most members), he will be silenced like Bhai Ranjit Singh ji and displaced, thus from HERO to Zero. As Jathedar of Akal Takht he has a responsibility for all SIKHs, like it or not that includes those that do not support Khalistan or are linked to Congress etc, something that is against his principles. The Akal Takht jathedar has to be able to do bothe MIRI and PIRI, he has to have a lot of Knowledge about Gurmat and Gurbani, which is i suppose some type of course or Santhi etec at Damdami Taksal. To be leader of the Sikhs does not mean you have to be Jathedar of Akal Takht, look at Sant Jarnail Singh Bhrindwale ji. By appointing him as Jathedar of Akal Takht is actually going to silence and control his voice. He is a natural leader of the Sikhs, let him be that. Great Leaders like Nelson Mandela became President of South Africa, recently Aung San Suu Kyi, who was released from Prison, recently won in the elections in Burma. Being a poltical leader of a freedom movement has much more impact than Jathedar of Akal Takht, who is actually only a custodian of the Akal Takht on behal of the Panth. Just some points to ponder on.
  18. My reading of the situation is that, intially SAD had lobbied and assumed that the Jathedars would force Bhai Balwants Singhs family to put an appeal on his behalf. If you look at the interview of sant Samaj, on Sikh Channel, Bhai Jasbir Singh Rode, states that they have told the jathedars that they should tell the family, via his brother to appeal, if not the second option would be tell SAD to pass a resolution in the Assembly. The jathedars under pressure did not agree with this, but threw a 'lifeline' to SAD, by directing them to work out a solution for the uncondiational release of bhai sahib. By doing this they have played a political game, by ensuring that Badal, can the say, i have listened to the panth via the jathedars and taken action. As he could have done this without the jathedars telling him to do so. They will not 'hang' bhai sahib, as Badal has stated that his will do everyting to kep peace and communal harmony in Punjab. This means they will lobby to make sure he is not 'hanged' anywhere in India, as the troubles will still happen in Punjab. All panthic jathebandis, especially in Punjab, need to keep up the pressure, even if Bhai Sahib is not' hanged', as the Akal Takht Adesh, states and asks for his uncoditional release from Prison and this needs to happen. What has come out of this is that the Sant Samaj and its crony organisation in the UK, International Panthic Dal, carry no 'weight' in Punjab and have sold out. On the IPD website, it states that all panthic jathebandis should come under SAD. Not realising that SAD has declared itself as a Secular party, that go against the principles of Miri and Piri.
  19. Sikh Channel is the peoples channel and panthic jathebandis are not part of Sikh people, so they did not advertise, but turned up at the Demo to save face. The Media is not playing a sensible and responsible role, they are dividing the Sikhs and giving an impression that the Sikhs are not co-ordinated nor unified. I would think that the Demo/protest proved that this is not the case. Similar protests in other countries, letters to politicians (with coherent messages), demo outside European Parliament Brussels all happening shows a lack of unity and cordination, l forget the only problem is that it was the panthic jathebandis doing their job and not Sikh Channel and especially DS Bal leading, so it cannot be shown that, yes Sikhs can work together.
  20. The thinking is to send a message to panthic Sikhs, that if you want justice then like previously . the Police will give it you, so its recruited those Polce officers most suited to giving Sikhs justice the Indian way to do so. Sant Samaj, DDT and the Rode family have been outplayed and outsmarted by the Badals.
  21. Remember this is a survey, so it was about asking a sample of people and then using maths and stats to come up with a figure based on the sample surveyed. There is a growing tendancy amongst some Sikh born or educated in the UK, going towards being non belivers this is a fact. The reality is that the problem in the UK regarding our Youth and drugs and drinking, clubbing etc is much greater than in Punjab. The majority of our Youth have no interest in Sikhi, other than having to go to the Gurdwara because its the right thing to do, occasionally. This si to be expected as the culture in whcih we live encourages drinking. However thoes that do get into Sikhi are more committed. More Parchar and funds need to be spent in the UK, rather than sending everyting to Punjab to get people out of these habits. Money to punjab should be sent to help the poor and needy.
  22. I am afraid that SAS are similar in that they are radicalised 'Sikhs', who blame all Muslims for all the faults in the Sikh community. Would it not have been better to engage in conversation with respected Muslim Organisations, making them aware Sikh community feelings on this issue and working with them to identify the culprits and isolate them, that is the 'radical islamist youth'.
  23. This just shows that if you have the proper evidence and proof, that would stand up in court, justice may be served. Sikh Oragnisations may raise awarness within the community, but never have a startegy on how to tackle this issue by involving statutory agencies, current laws and involvement of mainstream communitites. Lets hope they learn.
  24. This and the recent programme on Sikh Channel, should actually be aired on 'Brit Asia', the audience that watches this channel are the most vulnerable, i.e. going to gigs etc. Surley DS Bal can get his brother, who owns this channel can get him to do so.
  25. Some of the contacts of the Slideshow are bordering on 'racism and total attack on Islam'. Quotes taken from any scriptures or writings of religious prophets, out of context and without any understanding could lead you to taken a negative view of all faiths. For example, taking quotes from the 'Dasam Granth', as many have done (i,e. Proff Darshan etc), without the full context and understanding of what Guru Gobind Singh ji is trying to say, you could come up with a very negative portrayl of 'women and Sikhi'. opposite to what is writen in the Guru Granth Sahib. This is a very dangerous game to play. There is a problem with grooming etc, all communities need to get together and tackle, including many in the Muslim community who are ashamed of the actions of a minority from their community (fanatics).
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