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Real story is entirely different. Sangat of Malaysia was to hold seminar on bani of Sri dasam Granth sahib about two months back. This so called tabloid in unison with a new outfit of kala afghana followers named global Sikh council did not want it to be held . The premise was that Sikhs should only follow SGGS Ji. They failed miserably as sangat did not agree and very successfully seminar was held.

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Dhundha should learn these traits in his school and then start preaching. Why he is being opposed because he is a conman without knowledge of gurbani. Give me a break if someone says there is no soul and he is appreciated by a person like you. Do you believe there is no so ਬਿਰਧਿ ਭਇਆ ਜੋਬਨੁ ਤਨੁ ਖਿਸਿਆ ਕਫੁ ਕੰਠੁ ਬਿਰੂਧੋ ਨੈਨਹੁ ਨੀਰੁ ਢਰੇ ॥ He grows old, his body and youth waste away, and his throat is plugged with mucous; water flows from his eyes. ਚਰਣ ਰਹੇ ਕਰ ਕੰਪਣ ਲਾਗੇ ਸਾਕਤ ਰਾਮੁ ਨ ਰਿਦੈ ਹਰੇ ॥੭॥ चरण रहे कर क्मपण लागे साकत रामु न रिदै हरे ॥७॥ Cẖaraṇ rahe kar kampaṇ lāge sākaṯ rām na riḏai hare. ||7||He feet fail him, and his hands shake and tremble; the faithless cynic does not enshrine the Lord in his heart. ||7|| ਸੁਰਤਿ ਗਈ ਕਾਲੀ ਹੂ ਧਉਲੇ ਕਿਸੈ ਨ ਭਾਵੈ ਰਖਿਓ ਘਰੇ ॥ सुरति गई काली हू धउले किसै न भावै रखिओ घरे His intellect fails him, his black hair turns white, and no one wants to keep him in their home. ਬਿਸਰਤ ਨਾਮ ਐਸੇ ਦੋਖ ਲਾਗਹਿ ਜਮੁ ਮਾਰਿ ਸਮਾਰੇ ਨਰਕਿ ਖਰੇ ॥੮॥ बिसरत नाम ऐसे दोख लागहि जमु मारि समारे नरकि खरे ॥८॥ Bisraṯ nām aise ḏokẖ lāgėh jam mār samāre narak kẖare. ||8|| Forgetting the Naam, these are the stigmas which stick to him; the Messenger of Death beats him, and drags him to hell. ||8|| ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਕੋ ਲੇਖੁ ਨ ਮਿਟਈ ਜਨਮਿ ਮਰੈ ਕਾ ਕਉ ਦੋਸੁ ਧਰੇ ॥ पूरब जनम को लेखु न मिटई जनमि मरै का कउ दोसु धरे ॥ The record of one's past actions cannot be erased; who else is to blame for one's birth and death?

Jassa Ji , I live in USA . Dhundha comes here. We have tried to get him agree to sit with him and bring to his attention that his preaching is basically misinterpretation of SGGS Ji. He never agreed for a vichar. You say that he knows Guru Granth sahib and preaches that.On every ang of SGGS ji guru sahib advises about nam simian.Then how come dhundha does not know that? Then why he became a preacher? For example he says there is no reincarnation. Whatever is this life only. Only fools will agree with him . Guru Granth Sahib advises about result of karmas. Should we believe him or SGGS Ji. being a wise person you will know that gurbani is not be preached only it is to be lived and experienced. Without nam simran one can never elevate spirituality and experience divine. His above video shows his level of humility. Humility is hall mark of a gurmukh. Sampardaya parcharaks spend 15 years in learning these traits. You will not find their parcharaks displaying deceit, lies and arrogance.

Please reply to my query above. This thread is not about you or others like you. This is about heretic missionaries. can you tell us how we should nam simran as Dhundha says nam simran is tota rutten. dhundha says there is no soul , karma etc. is he right ? And do not divert it this thread to sggs vs dasam Granth. Start a new thread on that and you will be taught basics of dasam Granth sahib as I have read it in totality. Have you or have you not?

bani of 10th master is a deep treasure of spirituality, a guide how to lead a life avoiding pitfalls of immorality pervading this world and tell us how we should sacrifice for welfare of humanity. only an insane devoid of compassion and humility will raise finger on such sacred writings.

"Now in the above video posted he questioned Hemkunth Sahib with a quote from Guru Granth Sahib that which has a word to word meaning ke Paharan te sidh beth ke apna janam gawa rahe hai te guru Gobind Singh kiddan pahar te beth ke bhagti kar sakde hai. What would be its better reply to answer him based on Guru Granth sahib bani or shut him up and abuse him ?" Response jassa need to understand that in Guru Granth Sahib there is spiritualism. Dasam Granth sahib apart from spirituality has history and autobiographical parts. In Sikhism history and spiritualism go together. History is our body and bani is our soul. Dhundha was a truck driver before he did two year course of missionary. He does not understand the difference . Had he he would not done comparison. What does he know whether guru sahib was there in physical form or in subtle form.

Jassa, let us be specific instead of beating about bush. You wrote " To be short today my take on Dhunda has great knowledge of Guru Granth Sahib we have to agree with it. He speaks about social evils derawad. In one of the video he talks about show me any gurudwara dera sant baba which does ardas for baby girl. It hit me in my brain." my response Essence of Guru Granth Sahib bani is naam simran. Dhundha calls it parroting. Sikh tradition lays down procedure of nam simran and it is also given in rehat maryada. that proves Dhundha does not do nam simran. Pl tell us how he can call himself a Sikh

There is a video in this link.please see this to know conduct of such con self made parcharaks http://www.punjabspectrum.co/misc/sarbjit-dhunda-gets-angry-inside-gurdwara/

And he claims to be a Nihung singh who are custodians of Bani of Dasam pita.What marayada he is talking about.This married has a shortened chapai sahib and Nihung sings and all sampardayas follow full chaupai sahib.

Jassa these rogue missionaries not only violate maryada on dasam Granth sahib but also misinterpret teachings in Guru Granth Sahib as well. For instance they say nam simran is tota rutten , what is your take on this!

Jassa Ji in my view you should apprise yourself of Akal takhat maryada yourself and then ask this question. He violates it in deed and action

Panthpreet missionary was not allowed to do katha program and his further program canceled by Italy Police. see attached video IMG_3083.mp4

Can someone enlighten why baba Ji joined nastik missionaries cult. He is following many of their dictates like not allowing sangat to gather for amawas and puniya. Broke from panth to be with missionaries to follow puréwal calendar. In a very recent katha he degraded respect for sarovars. Certainly that lowered his respect among Sikhs in USA . When it comes to defend dasam pita bani baba Dhumma is in front line unlike other so called sants.

Dhumma is aligned with badal. But to call him Hindu is not right. He is the one who got shaheedi Yadgar for bhindrewale. He is the one who got bikrami calendar restored. Thank him for getting this done. His biggest blunder is that he joined nastik missionaries. See his speech above it is full of ego.

http://sikhism.about.com/od/history/a/Golden_Temple.htm 1699 to 1737 - Bhai Mani Singh is appointed curator of Harmandir Sahib by Guru Gobind Singh.

Chatanga ji, marayada of Harmandir sahib was put in practice by bah mani singh ji in 1699 when he was sent by Guru Gobind singh ji after creation of khalsa.He did away with Hindu practices there and baptized many sikh around countryside. Please read two separate sources of reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhai_Mani_Singh In 1699, after the Khalsa Panth was created with the famous Amrit ceremony and Rahit Maryada (Code of conduct of the Khalsa) was ordained, Guru Gobind Singh sent Bhai Mani Singh and five other Khalsas to Amritsar with instructions to take possession of the Harmandir Sahib. Bhai Mani Singh was appointed Granthi of the Harmandir Sahib and Jathedar of the Akal Takhat.[23] Mani Singh thus became the third Granthi of the Harmandir Sahib, after Baba Buddha and Bhai Gurdas. Mani Singh did away with all the Hindu practices that had crept into the Harmandir and restored all the traditional ceremonies of the Khalsa which became a regular daily feature. Apart from Kirtan Singing of hymns from the Granth Sahib, Bhai Mani Singh used to do Katha (Exposition of Gurbani) which became a very popular daily feature. Rahit Maryada was propagated and arrangements were made for administering Pahul (initiation) to new converts to the Khalsa fold. As a result of Bhai Mani Singh's efforts, a large number of Jats (farmers) from northern Punjab were initiated as Khalsas, whose numbers increased day by day. Many of them, when they went back to their villages, persuaded others to take the pahul and become Khalsas. Periodically, Bhai Mani Singh used to go to Anandpur Sahib to pay homage to Guru Gobind Singh and keep him informed of the affairs and happenings at Amritsar.[24] unquote Earlier source posted was from book of Surain singh dhanoa ' Raj Karega Khalsa" Surain s dhanoa is a retired chief secretary of punjab. Minas had lost control Harmandir sahib in 1699 and code Bhai mani singh established in 1699 is in written form and is being followed till today.

You may not be knowing the fact that singh sabha did write to British against allowing Maharaja dalip singh to claim Punjab.That was a treacherous act as they wrote a letter to British siding with them. Singh sabha did some good works but also did bad things as well. Nihungs do not harbour casteism among them. I agree they should have sided with low caste sikhs as when one takes khande bate dee pahul caste system is eradicated. But if you analyze the incident at Harmandir sahib it may be termed as symbolic protest.Singh sabha did nothing to eradicate caste system in Punjab villages as low caste sikhs were not even allowed to sit inside Gurudwaras.They used to have and still may be having langar sitting in a separate pangat in village guru ghars.I have seen it with my own eyes as late as late 1970s.

I agree Bhai mani singh was not at harmandir sahib in 1698. He reached there in mid 1699 at Guru sahib's command and took control from minas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhai_Mani_Singh#Leadership_at_Harmandir_Sahib Bhai Mani Singh who was under the presence of Guru Gobind Singh in 1690s had taken over the Harmandir Sahib at Amritsar in mid-1699 from Minas.[3

http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Amir_Singh AMIR SINGH, an AKALI or Nihang who was a veteran soldier, joined the band of Bhai Maharaj Singh, leading a popular rebellion against the British in 1848-49. When the British deputy commissioner of Jalandhar, Vansittart, raided Maharaj Singh`s camp near Sham Chaurasi on the night of 2829 December 1849, Amir Singh attacked him with an axe but was himself wounded by a pistol shot fired by Vansittart. He died three days later

http://patshahi10.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=245:sri-dasam-granth-beerh-1698-ad-takhat-sri-patna-sahib-&catid=62:historic-beerhs&Itemid=106 Contents from the rare handwritten beerh of Sri Dasam Granth compiled in 1755 Bikrami (1698 A.D.), one year before the formation of Khalsa. The date when this historic beerh was compiled is given in the introductory paragraph. This beerh is preserved at Takhat Sri Patna Sahib. It is noteworthy that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib’s bani "Zafarnamah" which was written in 1704 A.D., six years after this beerh was compiled, does not feature in the main index of the beerh as is evident from the picture below. The last composition in the main index is "Hikayat". Also noteworthy is the name of the granth that appears on the top, “Patshah Dasven Ju Ka Granth” (The Granth of the Tenth Master). The year mentioned on this handwritten beerh is also significant because Bhai Kesar Singh Chibber too in Bansavalinama records that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib had himself compiled the Granth in 1755 Bikrami (1698 A.D.), and this Chhota Granth[1] was very dear to him. Evidently this is one of the oldest beerhs which Guru Sahib himself compiled before the formation of the Khalsa. Later compilations of the complete banees of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib is attributed to Bhai Mani Singh. ਛੋਟਾ ਗਰੰਥ ਜੀ ਜਨਮੇ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਸਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਕੇ ਧਾਮ। ਸੰਮਤ ਸਤਾਰਾਂ ਸੈ ਪਚਵੰਜਾ, ਬਹੁਤ ਖਿਡਾਵੇ ਲਿਖਾਰੇ ਨਾਮ। ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੂੰ ਸੀ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਹਥੀਂ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਖਿਡਾਇਆ। ਸਿਖਾਂ ਕੀਤੀ ਅਰਦਾਸ, 'ਜੀ ਅਗਲੇ (ਭਾਵ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ) ਨਾਲਿ ਚਾਹੀਏ ਰਲਾਇਆ'। ਬਚਨ ਕੀਤਾ, 'ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਹੈ ਉਹ, ਏਹ ਅਸਾਡੀ ਖੇਡ ਹੈ।' ਨਾਲਿ ਨ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ਆਹਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ, ਕਉਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਭੇਦ। ਸੋ ਦੋਨੋ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰ ਜਾਨੋ। ਵਡਾ ਹੈ ਟਿਕਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਟਕੇ ਪੋਥੀਆਂ ਪੁਤਰ ਪੋਤਰੇ ਕਿਰ ਪਛਾਨੋ (ਬੰਸਾਵਲੀਨਾਮਾ, ਭਾਈ ਕੇਸਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਛਿੱਬਰ) [1] Kesar Singh Chibber calls the granth as Chotta Granth (small granth) in relation to the status of Sri Guru Granth Sahib The first paragraph is transcribed below: ੴਸ੍ਰੀਵਾਹਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ ਸ੍ਰੀਭਗਉਤੀਜੂਸਹਾਇ ਤਤਕਰਾ ਸੁਚੇਪੱਤ੍ਰਸ੍ਰੀਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਜੂਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹਦਸਵੇਂਜੂਕੇਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਕਾ ਸੰਬਤ 1755.ਮਿਤੀਅਸਾੜਬਦੀ1 ਕੋਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਲਿਖਿਆ: ਤਵਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਸ੍ਰੀਮੁਖਵਾਕਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ10 Picture Courtesy: Sant Sipahi Magazine Contents from the rare handwritten beerh of Sri Dasam Granth compiled in 1755 Bikrami (1698 A.D.), one year before the formation of Khalsa. The date when this historic beerh was compiled is given in the introductory paragraph. This beerh is preserved at Takhat Sri Patna Sahib. It is noteworthy that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib’s bani "Zafarnamah" which was written in 1704 A.D., six years after this beerh was compiled, does not feature in the main index of the beerh as is evident from the picture below. The last composition in the main index is "Hikayat". Also noteworthy is the name of the granth that appears on the top, “Patshah Dasven Ju Ka Granth” (The Granth of the Tenth Master). The year mentioned on this handwritten beerh is also significant because Bhai Kesar Singh Chibber too in Bansavalinama records that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib had himself compiled the Granth in 1755 Bikrami (1698 A.D.), and this Chhota Granth[1] was very dear to him. Evidently this is one of the oldest beerhs which Guru Sahib himself compiled before the formation of the Khalsa. Later compilations of the complete banees of Guru Gobind Singh Sahib is attributed to Bhai Mani Singh. ਛੋਟਾ ਗਰੰਥ ਜੀ ਜਨਮੇ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਸਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਕੇ ਧਾਮ। ਸੰਮਤ ਸਤਾਰਾਂ ਸੈ ਪਚਵੰਜਾ, ਬਹੁਤ ਖਿਡਾਵੇ ਲਿਖਾਰੇ ਨਾਮ। ਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੂੰ ਸੀ ਪਿਆਰਾ ਹਥੀਂ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਖਿਡਾਇਆ। ਸਿਖਾਂ ਕੀਤੀ ਅਰਦਾਸ, 'ਜੀ ਅਗਲੇ (ਭਾਵ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ) ਨਾਲਿ ਚਾਹੀਏ ਰਲਾਇਆ'। ਬਚਨ ਕੀਤਾ, 'ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਹੈ ਉਹ, ਏਹ ਅਸਾਡੀ ਖੇਡ ਹੈ।' ਨਾਲਿ ਨ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ਆਹਾ ਪਿਆਰਾ, ਕਉਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਭੇਦ। ਸੋ ਦੋਨੋ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰ ਜਾਨੋ। ਵਡਾ ਹੈ ਟਿਕਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਟਕੇ ਪੋਥੀਆਂ ਪੁਤਰ ਪੋਤਰੇ ਕਿਰ ਪਛਾਨੋ (ਬੰਸਾਵਲੀਨਾਮਾ, ਭਾਈ ਕੇਸਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਛਿੱਬਰ) [1] Kesar Singh Chibber calls the granth as Chotta Granth (small granth) in relation to the status of Sri Guru Granth Sahib The first paragraph is transcribed below: ੴਸ੍ਰੀਵਾਹਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹ ਸ੍ਰੀਭਗਉਤੀਜੂਸਹਾਇ ਤਤਕਰਾ ਸੁਚੇਪੱਤ੍ਰਸ੍ਰੀਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਜੂਕਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹਦਸਵੇਂਜੂਕੇਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਕਾ ਸੰਬਤ 1755.ਮਿਤੀਅਸਾੜਬਦੀ1 ਕੋਗ੍ਰਿੰਥਲਿਖਿਆ: ਤਵਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਸ੍ਰੀਮੁਖਵਾਕਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ10 Picture Courtesy: Sant Sipahi Magazine

You need to read book of Randhir singh SGPC research scholar. Book name is "shabad moorat"". He has seen manuscript of Dasam granth in toshakhana of Harmandir sahib patna. That beer is dated 1755 Bikram samvat.That comes to 1698 AD. If it was 1765 as you mention then it comes to 1708 AD.

There was a dual control of Harmandir sahib complex. Akal takhat was under control of Nihung singhs whereas Darbar sahib was under control of mahants. Not allowing karat parsed is condemnable.But that does not give right to jhabar gang to attack akal takhat and then become instrumental in shortening chaupai sahib at Harmandir sahib. Of course Bhai maharaj singh was both a religious person heading Hothi mardan khalsa jathebandi and also a nihung fighter. He was fighter and revered in Punjab as a saint or messiah. He was caught from dear of Baba Bir Singh Nauragabadi.Need to read literature of that period especially role of Nihungs after Britsh annexation of Punjab.There is novel based on life of of baba Tega singh by Master Tara singh.He was one and some other nihungs who fled to Iran instead of laying down arms.Baba Hanuman singh Nihung was another famous Nihung who laid down life for sikh cause. Nihungs guru maharaj dian ladlian faujan who did remarkable job in extending empire of sikhs were not reduced to collaborators of anti sikh mahants.They were charred kala sings and still are.