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The refrence to ancient caravan routes reminded me of something. Are there not a group of Gypsies in Western Europe who have been there for many centuries and claim they are originally from Northern India? I think they are called Romas or something to that extent. (Not that this observation is in any way linked to what is being discussed here, just in light of the hypothesis, it may suggest that routes further into Europe possibly did exist.)

Does your second line mean some people would mind if the Gurus refferred to themselves as God? Sorry, just curious, it was hard to understand what exactly you meant.

I agree totally. This first-person system allows a real bond between the Guru and the true devotee. The devotee is able to put themselves in the picture of a relationship with God, and therefore the basis of the relationship of a true devotee is made clear ( Not sure if that makes any sense outside of my own mind lol). Also an excellent point about application of the Guru's words to your own life. It's seems crazy that by merely hearing/reading the shabads we get a sense of superiority of mind than others, and we look to criticise their actions. In reality, having knowledge of the words of Guru Ji without applying them to our lives leaves us in a worse position than those who we like to think of as ignorant of the Truth. The same pitfalls exist for all of humanity, and knowledge of these pitfalls is useless unless something is done to adress the actual issues they raise.

The rather unconventional writing styles appear to be identical. For instance no spaces after a full stop. Yey another member of the re-name themselves and return after saying they'll never post again crew. Really, the system is getting quite tiresome. You know, after this thread, I've gotten into this Osho thing, and have been doing quite a bit of reading. It was suggested we should not judge him on this extract but rather do some wider reading etc. That I did, and perhaps as suggested it is a matter of style of communication, but the guy's works do absolutely nothing for me, although it is amusing the way they display a distinct air of "oooh, look at me and how better I am than everyone else" Quite bluntly, the guy seemed to be a right annoying git, always bigging himself up and putting others down, and thinking everyone in the world wanted to worship him. What a T*****, I'd tell him to his face, but he's kinda dead innit, so guess I can't. Darn how i yearn for the darshan of this fellow, he could EVEN teach me a thing or two about being egotistical.

Maybe you should use the left hand thingy as an excuse for your driving! 136991[/snapback] you shut up mr! emi! i drive with my right actually because left one is always on gear stick plus most times i use my legs to steer 136994[/snapback] I am aware of that- thats what i mean- u have to use your weaker hand to drive. or leg when that too is unavailable. Get one of those American cars with the steering the other way around. Get a Dodge Viper or something.

Maybe you should use the left hand thingy as an excuse for your driving!

great we got extermist on this site inciting violence here... ! 136953[/snapback] We have all sorts of extremists spouting filth in all sorts of places. Its part and parcel of life. Just as violence-inciting extremists would be of concern to you, similarly there are other types that are of concern to other people.

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ur spelling of ridiculous kinda proves a point abt canadians :lol: 136904[/snapback] What would that point be?????

Wow!!! That is truly an amazing jeevan.

Its not my fault people don't getssssssss it, is it??????? I'm gonna run some interpreting Harps' sarcasm lessons direct from the research academy. Any takers??

Thanks, I did read the article you know. 136879[/snapback] I know U know!! its for the others that were having difficulties! i mean it cant be that hardto work it out.. Gur blown 25ft in the air - obviously he is gona be done over by something !! come on people!! cnt be that hard! lol 136881[/snapback] I know u know I knew. I just thought I'd state the obvious for no apparent reason. HA HA your post got edited.

Thanks, I did read the article you know.

OHHHHH, but boo hoo hoo its sooo wrong to use a bomb, innocent shady Punjab Police coppers could have got killed, this is sooo bad. I demand an apology from someone for this riiite now. Guru Gobind Singh Ji never ever ever ever ever used any bombs against the moghuls, so history tells us the actions of these people were wrong. 136747[/snapback] PAJJI SORRY IF I AM SAYING THIS WRONG BUT DID THEY HAD BIG BOMBS LIKE THESE DURING GURU GOBIND SINGH'S TIME. THEY ONLY HAD CANNONS. THE GUUY LIKE GOBIND RAM WHO RAPED WOMEN KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE AND BHAI TOOFAN SHOULD NOT HAVE PUNISHED THIS DUSHT. I DONT GET YOUR POINT. PLEASE EXPLAIN MORE. 136789[/snapback] Hmm, you know, I never thought about that. So this guy killed innocent people, raped women and I also read the articles now where it says he he used to make Amritdhari people drink his urine saying you have tasted Gobind Singh's Amrit, now taste Gobind Ram's amrit. Hmmmm, maybe the Singh's who stopped this meanace from continuing his deeds were right. BTW, has anyone got any clue who the pig-nostril faced guy is yet. He looks an interesting chappie. 136852[/snapback] Maybe the singhs were right? Obviously they were right and what are you talking about Guru ji would have never used bombs, did you excpect rhe Khalistani Singhs to firht armed police forces with kirpana? and the "pig snout guy" is the tyrant gobind ram 136861[/snapback] You people have all got some mental deficiency or something refer back to my fisrt post please and look at the OVERTLY sarcastic nature. Perhaps I need to elaborate with some examples: "OHHHHH, but boo hoo hoo its sooo wrong to use a bomb, innocent shady Punjab Police coppers could have got killed, this is sooo bad" Is this a serious statement?? Innocent shady Punjab Police coppers??? "Guru Gobind Singh Ji never ever ever ever ever used any bombs against the moghuls" What does the use of 4 evers suggest to you??? I think what I'm trying to say is develop some analytical skills before you go making a fuss about everything.

OHHHHH, but boo hoo hoo its sooo wrong to use a bomb, innocent shady Punjab Police coppers could have got killed, this is sooo bad. I demand an apology from someone for this riiite now. Guru Gobind Singh Ji never ever ever ever ever used any bombs against the moghuls, so history tells us the actions of these people were wrong. 136747[/snapback] PAJJI SORRY IF I AM SAYING THIS WRONG BUT DID THEY HAD BIG BOMBS LIKE THESE DURING GURU GOBIND SINGH'S TIME. THEY ONLY HAD CANNONS. THE GUUY LIKE GOBIND RAM WHO RAPED WOMEN KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE AND BHAI TOOFAN SHOULD NOT HAVE PUNISHED THIS DUSHT. I DONT GET YOUR POINT. PLEASE EXPLAIN MORE. 136789[/snapback] Hmm, you know, I never thought about that. So this guy killed innocent people, raped women and I also read the articles now where it says he he used to make Amritdhari people drink his urine saying you have tasted Gobind Singh's Amrit, now taste Gobind Ram's amrit. Hmmmm, maybe the Singh's who stopped this meanace from continuing his deeds were right. BTW, has anyone got any clue who the pig-nostril faced guy is yet. He looks an interesting chappie.

LOL, I tend to agree.

Who is this guy? I can't read what it says. Why does he have a pig snout for a mouth? Thats some ugly fella, bet his mum didn't even love him.

OHHHHH, but boo hoo hoo its sooo wrong to use a bomb, innocent shady Punjab Police coppers could have got killed, this is sooo bad. I demand an apology from someone for this riiite now. Guru Gobind Singh Ji never ever ever ever ever used any bombs against the moghuls, so history tells us the actions of these people were wrong.

.....me tooo.......................... :TH:

Did you mean lotus?

Very sorry to hear about your loss, and I hope the posts above have gone some way in helping you make some sense of something which is undoubtedly going to be difficult to come to terms with. Ultimately, at times like this, we are left solely with the knowledge that the master puts us on this Earth, and he in his own wisdom decides when he wants us to return to him. I pray you are given the strength to deal with this, and can eventually come to terms with the loss.

That would only matter if you understood Chinese. Don't get bogged down by these technical details, rather loose yourself in the artistic flair of this masterpiece.

In response to my comment, I meant that it has been argued that not all the Sakhis are from Guru Nanak Ji's time, as some could have been distorted throughout history by the British, Namdharis etc. In this manner, the Sakhis as we see them today do not neccesarilly date to the time of Guru Nanak if we are to espouse the forementioned notion of changes.

Some say that a few of the Sau Sakhis were created as tool for the British to manintain the loyalty of Sikhs, and in response to this tool, counter Sakhis were created by Anti-British forces. In this way, it can be argued that some of the Sakhis are merely propoganda forwarded by both British and Anti-British elements. I guess the suggestion is that if you give people hope, they tend to lose their instinct to be critical. Interestingly, Namdharis often use the some of these dubious Sakhis to back their belief in a living Guru.