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We are letting dumb Hindus make joke of us. It doesn't happen in my life, because Hindus know they don't stand a chance.

"Now in 2018 every single country USA, UK, Russia, Canada, France, Germany, Japan, etc even including China and Pakistan are sucking up to Modi because they care about the financial benefits of trading with a 1.3 billion population multi-trillion economy as opposed to the human rights of the thousands killed in the years from 1984 in the Congress Genocide of Sikhs unleashedby terrorist Indira Gandhi and her wretched son." Answer, sort of: As I mentioned before, I respect what you are doing and saying. However, that being said, read Sikh history ( which I am sure you have), Sikhs have never moved forward without taking revenge or justice, I am open to you providing me some examples from the Sikh history, where that has not happened. You might think that odds are against Sikhs, but read Sikh history, I will take these odds any day compare to what Sikhs have been through in the past. I have full faith that Sikhs will get justice, no matter what the odds are. As you know, what I am saying and what you are saying are not mutually exclusive, we can do both. I will pm you, just because I believe in your cause, I will either either match or double the donation to your Sikh charity although they are not the one I donate to.

We cannot even get justice for our raped sisters after 35 years, but let's shoot for stars!

This site has been taken over by Hindus and Hindu lovers. India has killed thousands of Sikhs and raped our sisters and daughters, and none of those Hindus got punished, but let's stay with our rapist overlords. Also, let's blame how incompetent Sikhs are ( and of course they deserve it). Keep on blaming the victims! Khals Raj was one of the best run countey in it's time, but according to these Hindu lovers, Sikhs are capable of nothing!!

"Educate me on how you propose to fix the disease so I can learn". I am not necessarily disagreeing with you, you have very good intentions, and I can respect that. Also, I am not doing anything constructive either. You mention that more Sikhs were killed during partition, but Sikhs took revenge/justice, we were able to keep our turbans. Similarly, in all other genocides, Sikhs fought back, and we have something to be proud of. Sikhs were very small in numbers even then, but that didn't stop Sikhs from dying for Justice (think about Garja Singh). There was a time when Muslims (some Muslims) said that there is no Sikh left in Punjab, but Sikhs fought back and were able to form Khalsa Raj. Sikhs in those times didn't think how small their percent is compare to the majority. There is only one answer: as mentioned by Guruji and Sant ji; when there is no other way to get justice then the use of sword is the most pious thing to do. Answer: Either we get the justice or we die fighting for Justice.

I agree, presently there is no easy way to create our own country, but that should be the only goal. What you are mentioning are just some of the symptoms not the disease! Did you ever think why certain communities have drug issues and other social problems (e.g., black and native American community). Main reason is that they have nothing to be proud of and they don't see any future. Similarly, at present, Sikhs are not proud and don't see any future. Tell me what will you do if your Sikhs sisters have been raped and brother and sisters been killed, and the killers are roaming free and they tell Sikhs not to even stand up (in other words, they are kicking our turbans) Put yourself in those shoes, then only thing left is denial, which can only achieved by drugs! Unless we get justice, and get our turbans back, the issues you are mentioning are not going away!

You also think that Hindu don't kill Sikhs! Go back to your Hindu lovers.

You are saying, Hindus, who probably have killed as many Sikhs as Muslims, are peaceful!! For your information, Hindus like you are still killing Sikhs!

You got that right, Hindu

Yes, Hindus like traitor Santo and his followers. Now you have a new devi called Indira

Dushera is for Hindus like you. And for the traitor Santo!

No, we should call it coming out of dumb Hindu India. Why don't you take your dumb stuff to Hindu site, where you belong

Santu traitor is called "baba santa Singh" now! Interesting

Why are we still arguing with this Hindu?

I enjoy reading your posts, and I can see where you are coming from in your analogy about Bhai Kanhaiya. I can see how helping rohingya is aligned with Sikhi. However, your analogy is not very applicable here, if Sikhs/khalsa aid were in Burma helping Sikhs, and if they don't help fellow Muslims in the same position then that will be going against Bhai Kanhaiya and Sikhi. In this situation, it is different, we are not helping fellow Sikhs in Punjab, but going out of the way to help Muslims, when Muslims are in much better position to help. It is like Sikhs going out of the way to help Palestinians get a country when Sikhs cannot even get their own country or Bhai Kanhaiya giving water to dying Muslims soldiers even when hundred of Muslims can give them water, but nobody is giving Sikhs soldiers any water. Presently, Sikhs are helping fellow Sikhs and everyone else who needs help in Florida and Texas (after hurricanes) and you can see in the videos that Sikhs are helping everyone who needs help, as Sikhs are there, and that is what Sikhs do. I think that is Bhai Kanhaiya and Sikh philosophy, and not the analogy you gave. At least, in my view.

You don't even understand the concept.

This is exactly the same thing which Muslim Kings and army was saying about Sikhs a few centuries ago. In fact, these Muslim rulers were saying that no Sikh is left, however, Sikhs did become rulers of the land after couple of Genocides. I am not saying it is going to be easy with Hindu India, but you are under estimating Sikhs.

Let me get this right, btw I agree with you. Hindus raped and killed sikhs in 1984. Thousands of Sikh mothers and daughters were raped and killed in 1984, and they still are! Thousands of Sikh were killed in 1984 and they are still being killed by Hindus without any problem. Point I am making is, why those sikh father's should care, we have nothing to be proud of as being Sikh in Hindu India However, as a Sikh I do think we will win in the end. At this time if you want to rally sikhs up, all you have to say is Dasam graranth, they don't care that sikhs are getting killed and raped every day, however, they wanna fight about Dasam garanth or meat because they are not ready for the real battle!!

You do realize that the other state industries get subsidized by the govt (eg, Himachal), so even if Punjab has the best industry it cannot compete with products from states which are subsidized. All I am saying is that everything is not equal in Hindu India

Why should Sikhs be happy for Hindu Independence? Sikhs are still getting killed by Indian govt !!

Why is this Hindu on a Sikh site!! Khalsa fight for righteousness! Who define Dharam yudh

You have a point or you just like to complain!! White Christians ruled Punjab for 100 years, and they were not able to convert us to their religion, even though they had all the control. If you cannot be proud of your religion then keep your mouth shut!

Saad dhumma is disgrace to Sikh religion!

As a Sikh, I think we just lost some battles, and in the end we will win the WAR (it might take some time, but we will win)! However, that being said, I don't agree with you. Yes, Khalistan movement produced some of the great Sikh Shaheeds of all times, and as you, we all are proud of that. You are right, that it brings lot of Anakh/Pride to Sikhs in diaspora and in some places in Punjab. Still, we cannot deny the fact that we lost, and Hindus make fun of us and remind us that they have killed the "Sikh Spirit". Airport in Delhi is named after Indira, that is akin to naming airport after Massa Ranghar, and one big road in Punjab is named after Jagat Narain. Just a year ago, the DGP of punjab was Saini who killed more innocent Sikhs and raped Sikhs mothers, daughters, and sister than anybody else, even present DGP has innocent Sikh bloods on his hand. Nobody really got punished for Sikh Genocide in Delhi and other parts of India, I personally heard one hindu saying that it seems like you Sikhs have forgot Delhi 84. Many Sikhs who fought against India are still in jail, you get the picture. The point I am trying to make is that because of these past and present injustices, many Sikhs (especially in India) feel no pride and that is reason for the following things: Less and less Sikhs are keeping turban/kesh Drug use among Sikhs. Look at any kaum who has lost they have issues with drugs (native americans, black, etc). Fighting about meat, Dasam Granth, Raag malla, etc. At this point most Sikhs will fight on superficial reasons instead of realizing we are slaves in Hindu India. Hindus are enjoying these stupid Sikh fights. Anyway, I am realizing that I am taking this thread on a different tangent, and I will stop here. Maybe one day when I have more time, and I will start a new topic on this issue.

The reason we are talking about "lessons to be learnt from Khalistan movement" is because Sikhs lost (yes it is obvious and everybody here knows this), if we would have won there would have been "no lesson" even though some things were done wrong, but I will say, those were symptoms and not the real reason/disease for the Khalistan movement to fail. Let me explain: As many of you know, there was a time in late 80s when it seems like Khalistan was going to become a reality, in fact, Indian PM Chander Shaker was ready to make a deal, which was close to demand of Khalistan. However, one external reason (not really external, but out of Sikh control) that killed everything was building a wall between India Punjab and Pakistan Punjab! This wall is the sole reason for the Khalistan movement to fail. Israel provided this information to India that unless India build a wall, insurgency will never end, and sooner or later Khalistan will come into existence. As you know, Israel is also surviving because of the wall between palestinian and Israel land. Of course, Banazir providing the names of Sikh freedom fighters to Indian intelligence didn't help either. Additionally, Pakistan never really wanted to help Sikhs with regard to Khalistan they just wanted Sikhs to create violence in India. Insurgency is still going on in Kashmir because India cannot build a wall there for many reasons, and unfortunately kashmiri muslims don't know how to fight, if Sikhs were in that area Khalistan would have come into existence. Anyway, I digress, what I am trying to say is that in late 80s many Sikh freedom fighters realized that Khalistan might not become a reality. Just to clarify, it is not that they explicitly thought about that, but all the news was very demoralizing (killing of leaders of Sikh movement everyday with impunity). That is when social reforms, some non justified killing, some wrong deals were made. Yes, we can learn from them, but in the end we lost for different reason. I will address some other issues later.