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Unfortunately getting people 'into' Sikhi has become a business. Getting people into Sikhi means big donations from sangat, big buck contracts with media organisations such as t-series etc, television/media appearances, backing from politicians, fancy clothes & accessories not to mention flash cars with flashing red light! All expense paid trips around the world to do 'parchar' (it's actually panjab & rest of India that needs most parchar right now)! Parchar should be done with daya & gyaan on bani, explain the importance of naam, the 'spiritual' significance of kes, how rehit helps you build a deciplined lifestyle around naam. Naam has to be the root of all parchar, indepth athmic gyaan veechar on bani should then back that up. REAL historic facts & events should be discussed by the aid of puratan historical Granths such as Suraj Prakash, panth pracchin etc. Bani and gurmantar should be explained and their importance highlighted. Simply telling people to stop eating meat & grow your hair is not Sikhi parchar in my opinion. The Guru's never used emotional blackmail to spread Sikhi/dharam, they used daya and 'sat-naam'

Emotional blackmail of sangat & little sings with dholki & chimta backing have become 'Sikhi Parchar' ...... No wonder the panth is in this state! Muslims would be proud of this kind of 'parchar'! Barking at the sangat & telling them they will go to hell because they have cut their hair is not 'parchar'. Look at how taksal/nirmale mahapursh did Sikhi parchar, how Nihang Dals travelled all over holding Amrit sanchars after giving indepth katha on actual Sikh history etc that is 'parchar'

Your 100% right, mahraj has indeed said that plants, tress etc also are living beings. It is also written in panth pracchin Granth that Banda Singh Bahadur could talk to plants & communicate with them.

Scientific study carried out indicates that plants are indeed 'alive' http://www.in5d.com/amazing-singing-plants-phenomenon.html

so the truth is obtained from 'wikipedia'?i and not puratan granths written by highly respected Gursikhs?!! The Jathedars of Baba Bhidi Chand Dal have all been 'direct' descendants Of Baba Bhidi Chand himself, the bloodline of Baba Ji has been blessed with leading that Dal to this very day, they still uphold the Akali Nihang Singh Maryada of Shaheedi Degh but I guess they must be wrong aswell as you obviously think Rattan Singh Bhangu, the grandson of Mehtab Singh who with Sukha Singh beheaded Massar Rangar must be. 'Jinda Shaheed Baba Nihaal Singh must also be wrong! Wikipedia is right but all the above plus countless others and other written sources are wrong! I refuse to waste my time argueing with some obviously intellectualy of a basic level, so will not post again. Anyone who seeks the truth should read puratan sources for themselves and learn for themselves. Akaaal

I am not fond of any drug, the only thing I am fond of is the truth, which is best obtained from realiable sources such as Puratan Granths written by people like Rattan Singh Bhangu ( Grandson of mehtab Singh) and not by reading 'wikipedia'! As for Balbir Singh he tried everything and still is trying everything to pass himself off as the real Leader of Budda Dal! And that piece of rubbish you just pulled of wiki after about 30 seconds of research on google clearly says only Balbir agreed to shun Shaheedi Degh, Baba Santa Singh and '20' other Jathedars refused to do so, but I guess ALL '20' were wrong and one power hungry sellout must be right. Nihang Singhs never say that Shaheedi Degh is for all sikhs, most Nihangs do not even consume it but still accept that during puratan times it was and still is part of 'Akali Nihang Singh Maryada' (not civillian maryada) and is available to those who which to use it as it was used by Singhs from puratan times as clearly recorded in puratan texts by Gursikhs of a much higher calibre then any of us. Do yourself a favour and take your wiki research to the easily fooled and guliable

I never said Sikhs needed drugs to go to the battlefield, Rattan Singh Bhangu wrote it in Panth Prakash Granth! but I suppose to you his veiws are 'pathetic' aswell?! I suppose the views of 'jinda shaheed' Baba Nihal Singh are also pathetic in your eyes?! Countless other evidential proofs from puratan granths written by well respected and accepted Gursikhs must also be 'pathetic'! But your views MUST be right because they are yours or your jathas? Intellect levels within the kaum really are a disgrace

Jathedar Akali Baba Surjit Singh Nihang, Budda Dal 96 crore with Bhai Balwant Singh Rajoana after Bhai Balwant Singh had recieved khande bhatte de pahul

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So now Sikh are being treated badly in panjab you want Nihang Singhs to do something? Maybe the 'Panth' should have thought about that before they allowed the british and the britsh created SGPC to remove them as custodians of Akal Takht and as leaders of the Panth in 1921, you reap what you sow. The british had a shoot on sight policy for any Nihang Singh that was seen in panjab, and asked those people to come forward to take over the takhts that were willing to go againt the Nihangs, out of this was born the true sell out sakari dog the SGPC! With a bounty on thier heads and thier own people turning thier back on them the Nihangs either went back into the jungles, were put in jail or were in exile and went to Hazoor Sahib. Look at what has happened to sikhi in punjab under the rule of SGPC. Naujavan are not into sikhi, majority cut thier kes, take drugs/alcohol etc. Compare that to Hazoor Sahib were Nihangs are incharge. No one from a sikh family, whether amritdhari or not cuts thier kes. No one dares smoke tobacco within a 5 mile radius of Sachkand Hazoor sahib incase they are seen by a Nihang as they know a beating will be the least they get! A few years back muslims from a local nagar roughed up a sikh naujavan, he didnt go home and tell his parents or go and tell the police, instead he went straight to the Nihang Singhs at Hazoor Sahib. They heard what happened and about 10 of them instanly made thier way to the muslim dominated nagar and gave a beating to any muslim male they got thier hands on as a warning against troubling sikhs again in the future, compare that to SGPC panjab! You think real Nihangs have it easy in panjab? the real Jathedar of Budda Dal, Baba Surjit Singh Ji is in jail thanks to the SGPC and thier attempts to pass of one of thier own puppets as the real jathedar of Budda Dal! Someone mentioned Bhai Balwant Singh Rajoana. hes actually in the same jail as Budda Dal jathedar Baba Surjit singh! below is a picture of the two of them togther after bhai Balwant Singh recieved amrit!

Karkoo why don't you research the subject yourself instead of asking me, I know what I believe thanks to not listening to any Singhs with biased views based on thier jatha and instead reading puratan granths that were written with the sole purpose of recording our true and genuine historical facts and practices. Singhs from Taksal mostly all read and do katha from Pracchin Panth Prakash or Suraj Prakash Granth and others. Obviously Baba Jarnail Singh didnt do jatka but as for Guru Sahib read Panth Prakash and learn for yourself. Giani Thakur Singh got his vidiya at Taksal as everyone knows, he was Baba Kartar Singh Ji's garvai and also very close to Baba Jarnail Singh, if you listen to part 25 of his viakhya on Asa di Vaar at http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio, right at the beginning Giani Ji explains how the maryada of jhatka was given to Nihang Singhs by Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself and how Nihangs perform the maryada of jhatka in the present day, he also explains how this maryada is ONLY for Nihang Singhs and not for civillians/gristi jeevan sangat Akaal

The reason Singhs from Dal Panth and Taksal do not drink tea is because tea leaf grows in the same fields and plantations, usually right next to tobacco leaf.

The only pathetic post on here is yours! Luckily Nihang Singhs are made of stern stuff and our belief, maryada, intellect and faith in 'actual' recorded historical facts about our shaheeds and our Guru's is not easily swayed by speeches designed for the pappus and pinkys of the panth! You have all the modern luxuries of a modern life yet I wonder how 'intoxicated' your are with naam and bani, yet you deny that Shaheeds who lived in jungles may have been blessed by mahraj with a medicine that would put at ease thier physical pains/injuries! Next time you reach for the painkillers or run off to your doctor remember what you wrote above! Bani is the ultimate supplement and source of strenght for our athma, and I have no doubt that it is also perfect for our mind and body but that doesnt mean when I get hungry I dont eat and just recite bani instead! Read the excellent post put up by 'caveman', it is From 'Pracchin Panth Prakash' by Rattan Singh Bhangu and it is clearly stated that Baba Gurbax Singh and others consumed Shaheedi Degh as preparation for battle but also as part of thier rehat! Aslo listen to the katha by Baba Nihal Singh posted above. I know your response will be that Rattan Singh Bhangu must have been a druggy thats why he wrote that, he was the grandson of Mehtab Singh, the same Mehtab Singh who along with Sukha Singh beheaded Massar Rangar, I'm sure he knows what he's talking about as does 'Jinda Shaheed' Baba Nihaal Singh! As for the Katha by Baba Gurbachan Singh, listen carefully to whom bhagat Kabeer Ji is referring to! Baba Gurbachan Singh took amrit and grew up in Budda Dal and no doubt knew the difference between 'bhang' and 'shaheedi degh'! NO taksaal jathedar has ever said shaheedi degh or even jhatka are wrong practices, on contrary they say that these are specific aspects of Akali Nihang Singh maryada that only the Nihangs Singhs have ageya to carry out and that the rest of the panth should avoid these as it is forbidden for them as it serves no purpose in thier way of life! Go to India and actually live with, talk to and learn from Nihangs and Guru Ji's Taksaal's, then you will realise the deep level of love and respect between the 2 and acceptance of eachothers practices, akaaal.

Sant Gurbachan Singh clearly says Kabeer Ji is talking about those in kansi who call themselves bhagats but eat/drink bhang, Shaheedi Degh is not Bhang, the same way medicine containing traces of alcohol is not shraab. Baba Nihal Singh clearly gives the maryada and history of shaheedi degh in his katha. Before people start saying stuff about his credentials he's been given the title of 'jinda shaheed' ( living shaheed) after he was shot liberating Paonta Sahib Gurdwara from the corrupt mahants that were in charge. During 1984 Baba Nihal Singh was Right Hand Man of Sant Jarnail Singh, and had many altercations with the Indian Army and Politians. The police raided a camp and caught Baba Ji and his Singhs, and tied him upto a jeep and dragged him around the villages on a rope,tearing his skin apart and painstakenly broke his arms and legs. They tied his beard up with his "nala" from his kachera and beat him continuously. But baba ji , never gave up. I'm sure such a gursikh jinda shaheed knows more about maryada and the meanings of gurbani then all of us put together!!! Won't be posting on this topic again, akaal

Most medicine contains alcohol but how many of you take medicine when ill?! Alcohol on its own is not allowed and no Sikh would drink it but when small dosages are added to other substances if forms part of a medicine which is then allowed? Lol Bhang on its own is not allowed, in that state it is usually mixed with tobacco and smoked I believe. When preparing shaheedi degh it is rigorously grinded and then added to various other ingridients such as almonds, black pepper, lacche etc It is not consumed as an intoxicant the same way medicine containing alcohol is not. And besides I don't believe anyone just looking to get high can put all that time and physical effort into preparing shaheedi degh! A better source then me, Baba Nihaal Singh Ji ( close ally of Sant Jarnail Singh during Dharam Judh Morcha) explains the puratan history and legitimacy of shaheedi degh

I won't be posting again. To the original poster I suggest you try and read historical sources rather then wasteing your time on here. Pracchin panth Prakash Granth is good source of info on 'actual' history and practices of Khalsa and not made up bull you hear from lovey dovey soft gutless preachers. Suraj Prakash is excellent to. Read rehitnameh but above all read Gurbani then decide for yourself, happy learning brother, Akaal

Those who are not educated enough or do not have genuine knowledge should not make public statements based on their own views which may then hinder the learning of someone attempting to learn as the original poster is. Yes Baba ji is a Nihang but how can his views be 'biased' when all he is doing is reading from a historical Granth written by mehtab singhs grandson Rattan Singh Bhangu???!!

As for our sixth master Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji you need look no further then Bhai Gurdass ji vaars ( vaars which Guru Arjan dev ji described as the 'keys' to understanding adh bani). 'Earlier Gurus remained seated and taught others to be content, this Guru keeps dogs and goes hunting.' (Vaar 26, Pauri 24) Read the rest of the vaar, Bhai Gurdass ji writes that many amongst the sangat doubted Guru sahib as being the 6th Nanak because they spent all their time with the Akali fauj, never settled in one place, went hunting and kept a fauj with them at all times! Seems like those same doubters are born here again today! Giani Gian Singh describes the Gurus hunting trips; 'Around midday the Guru would again bathe, dress in new clothes and adorn themselves with various weapons and armoury. They would take a hawk in their hand, gather their soldiers together and set off. They would hunt various animals, race their horses and perform many other such deeds. They would often stay for a few days and then return to meet the congregation. When the Guru was not hunting they would have their warriors wrestle and indulge in other such martial activities.' (Tvarikh Guru Khalsa, Part 1, page 441) Akaal

In relation to my above post I know there will be some who will find it hard to stomach what is being said in that katha and will no doubt knock the credentials of author of the pracchin panth Prakash Granth, Rattan Singh Bhangu. Rattan Singh Bhangu was the grandson of Mehtab Singh, the same Mehtab Singh who along with Sukha Singh cut off the head of mahadusht Massa rangar! I'm sure the doubters and those made of weak stock will still doubt and do nindiya never the less.

#2singher23 Guruji hunted because he could give the souls of the animals mukhti and release them. We don't have that power, so unless we are starving and dying, no hunting Where is the source of your information? I am in no way doubting mahrajs ability to liberate the souls of the animals, but what is your source of evidence that proves Guru Ji only hunted for this purpose??!! This is what happens when people make up their own stories rather then reading historical granths or rehatnameh!!! Listen to the above katha, it's only a few minutes long. The source of the katha is 'pracchin panth prakask

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh Sangat Ji the total raised now is £63,600. We would like to thank everybody that has contributed so far, the response and love we have received from the sangat worldwide has been amazing, the greatness of Guru Sahib's sangat is beyond words. I would like to do a humble bentee to the worldwide sangat to continue supporting and donating however much they can, for those who have already donated we ask that you spread the word to family and friends who may not know about the situation and ask them to donate as much as they can, no amount is too big or too small. We would also like to thank all the Sikh media that have helped in this cause, Sikh TV, Sikh Channel, Sangat TV and Sikhsangat have all shown a desire to help and contribute towards saving our true mothers home. I would like to bring to the attention of the worldwide sangat that the children of 'Mata Sahib Kaur Sikh Academy' will tonight be taking part in a live broadcast on Sikh Channel sky 840 from 8.00pm till 9.30pm. All sangat are requested to watch, for those who do not or have not had the chance to attend the academy this will be an opportunity to see first hand what the children of the academy are like. Once again please please keep up your support, this is your academy as it is named after YOUR mother. Akaal

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh It is amazing to see how much pyaar there is in the sangat, the amount raised in such a short time testifies to this fact. However there is still a long way to go so I ask please please lets all make a final push and do whatever we can, no amount is too big or too small. I was at the academy last night for the self defence class and as usual the place was alive and buzzing because of all the young Singhs and Singhnia (most of whom had come straight to the academy after school). Before the self defence class started a few Singhs like myself who are in our 20's were sitting with the head granthi and the santhia teacher in darbar sahib listening to katha by Giani Thakur Singh Ji on Rehras Sahib. A few young Singhs in their teens were also sitting with us and listening and anything we did not understand the head granthi explained to us. Some Singhs were sitting and reciting Rehras Sahib, some kids were doing santhia and some were in the computer room getting help with their school homework. As all of this was going on more and more kids were turning up. The head granthi then recited Sri Rehras Sahib Ji and anyone who had not recited it already or listened to it was told to sit and listen in darbar sahib whilst those who had already were told to go do santhia in the computer room or start their school homework. Everybody then took part in the self defence class, with Singhs and Singhnia aged from 5yrs old up to those in their 20's all taking part. Everybody then participated in sukhasan seva and accompanied Maharaj Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji up to sachkand. All sangat then sat and had langar togther. By now it had gone 9 o clock and everybody started to make their way home. Now I ask all the sangat that are reading does the above happen at your local Gurdwara even once a week let alone EVERY single day like it does at the academy??? Please donate as much as you can, this place really is the home of OUR mother Mata Sahib Kaur Ji, her love and warmth can be felt as soon as you step foot inside the academy, so please make a donation, any amount is appreciated : Payee Details: Account Name: SCYS Ilford Reference: The Academy Sort Code: 01-08-15 Account Number: 53596595 Anybody wishing to visit or wanting to make a donation in person can do so, the detail for the academy are below: 8 Oaks Lane Newbury Park Ilford Essex IG2 7PL The seva team can be contacted on 07540 646 982.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Below are the bank account details for those members of the sangat who which to make a donation towards saving the academy: Payee Details: Account Name: SCYS Ilford Reference: The Academy Sort Code: 01-08-15 Account Number: 53596595 There will be an urgent meeting being held at Mata Sahib Kaur Sikh Academy on Wednesday 12th January at 8:00PM. This will be to discuss the financial situation and for the sangat to ask any questions they may have, the meeting is open to all sangat, below are the Academy details for those wishing to attend Mata Sahib Kaur Academy 8 Oaks Lane Newbury Park Ilford Essex IG2 7PL Akaaaal

Waheguru Ji Ki Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh I received an official statement from 'Mata Sahib Kaur Sikh Academy' regarding the financial situation and structure, I have pasted a copy of the statement below. Guru Roop Saadsangat Jeo The following is a short summary of the financial situation that the Mata Sahib Kaur Sikh Academy is currently experiencing : Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Ke Fateh In July 2008 a loan of 1.2million for two years was taken out with Natwest bank, in conjunction with the purchase of the Mata Sahib Kaur Sikh Academy. With the grace of Akaal Purkh Waheguru and thanks to the Saadsangat not only across the UK, but Worldwide, all the Quarterly repayments to Natwest bank have always been made on time and over 200,000 has been spent on the total refurbishment and additions of the Academy since it’s purchase. This loan agreement expired in July 2010, with the bank (Due to the worldwide financial climate/recession and restructuring of banks) calling in the whole of the outstanding amount of 1.2million. With continous negogiations the bank then extended the deadline for full repayment of the outstanding debt to the end of September 2010. However, with the continous help of the Saadsangat an improved business plan with the addition of a pre-school nursery was submitted to Natwest bank, and thankfully the amount required to restructure the loan agreement was agreed to be 300,000; incorporating a deadline of 31st December 2010, with which the bank agreed. With Guru Maharaj’s beant kirpa a sum of 150,000 has been arranged and this leaves a shortfall of just 150,000. Although the deadline has once again expired, the idea is to forward all the outstanding amount to Natwest bank ASAP, as it is collected, hopefully within the next 14 days; before the case is passed to the Bank’s Recovery Dept, which would make it virtually impossible to secure a deal on the previously agreed terms. This is a humble baentee to all Saadsangat that today on the day we celebrate the pavitar avtar divas of Dhan Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj, please, please, please look inside ourselves and with the Guru’s kirpa be brave and give any amount you can to save our true mothers house, always remembering and rejoicing in the thought that our amazing father gave their all for us. Dhan GURU , DHAN GURU PYARE Waheguru Jee Ka Khalsa Waheguru Jee Ke Fateh Update: You can now donate online, go to http://www.sikhacademy.co.uk/ scroll down and click on the yellow/gold 'Donate' button which will lead you to paypal. Below are the bank account details for those members of the sangat who which to make a donation towards saving the academy: Payee Details: Account Name: SCYS Ilford Reference: The Academy Sort Code: 01-08-15 Account Number: 53596595 There will be an urgent meeting being held at Mata Sahib Kaur Sikh Academy on Wednesday 12th January at 8:00PM. This will be to discuss the financial situation and for the sangat to ask any questions they may have, the meeting is open to all sangat, below are the Academy details for those wishing to attend Mata Sahib Kaur Academy 8 Oaks Lane Newbury Park Ilford Essex IG2 7PL Akaaaal

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh The sikhi parchar being done at the academy is amazing, locally and dare I say nationally there is no where that even comes close! On a personal note I started to attend the academy about 9 months ago, I had only just started keeping my kesh. I was so impressed and inspired by the kids there, some as young as 2-3 years old that I started going there on a regular basis. Because of the academy I am now learning gurmukhi, shastar vidya and have be shown how to do seva of maharaj Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Kids are taught kirtan, panjabi, gatka, gurmat principles, self defence, seva of maharaj, the list is endless! The kids there literally run the place from chaur sahib seva to sukhasan seva, they prepare the deg and help with langar preparation aswell, take Hukamnamas and perform ardas and also Sri Japji Sahib Ji raol during Akand Path Sahibs. Anyone who has not been to the academy should come and see it for themselves, it will leave you speechless. A 13 year old buchanghi at the academy recently said to me I see you as my cousin, hurry up and take amrit so we can be brothers!!!!!! This place has to be saved! best of all............theres no committee