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Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh,

Paneer Monster, Great great posts!!!

Thanks for taking the time to type up your posts, it is not time wasted!!!

May the eternal soul and light of the 10 Guru's, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj, bless all the Gursikh Piyare who posted on here to help the Sikh Sangat not get tied in with the occult Rhadasoami club.

We all get very tired of these Rhadasoami brain washed robots coming onto this site looking for justification of their occult Rhadasoami club (because they actually haven't got true faith in it themselves. They are just brain washed). Because we are so tired and bored of their absolutely ridiculous beliefs and arguements on here, we don't always have the energy to even reply. However, you, and some other Gursikhs did, so Vaheguru Bless you.

And by the way, to Mand5, you are NOT a Sikh, you're a member of the Rhadasoami occult club. If you do want to befriend us Sikhs, you can help us by letting us know which Sikh Gurdwara your Rhadasoami mates, and that comedian you call a Guru, are going to knock down next?

Surely somebody must know this mans name?

Does anybody actually know the name of this man who dresses like a Sikh and impersonates Sikhs and then burns the American flag at the request of anti-humanitarian agencies in the hope that some Sikhs will get attacked or murdered as a result?

Knowing me, Alan Partridge, knowing you, Nihal. A-haa.

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Paaji I think you underestimate mr nihal! He is a pretty intelligent guys, unfortunately his intelligence is used for bad deeds I.e. to defame Gursikhs and Gursikhi and that's intentional for sure!! (let's just call him a brown, modern day Mark Tully - same instintitution pulling the puppets strings!)

Actually Paaji, you're probably right. It's just that alot of what he says is so predictable and school boyish it lead me to under estimate his intelligence. Some of the stuff he says makes me cringe. I get the same feeling listening to Nihal as I do when I happen to catch an episode of Alan Patridge.

Now there's an interview I'd pay really good money to watch, or even just hear.... an interview between Alan Patridge and Nihal. That would be hilarious!!!

I love the way you think (i think like that too! ).

It could be true, but he wouldn't admit it and if he were to see this he would bottle him his emotions and throw it into a deeper corner of his heart and come out saying something that attempts to convince others (and himself) otherwise.

Either way, we shouldn't mind him covering us so long as we have well versed Sikhs getting on air to talk about the Sikh issues at hand. What I know for sure is he's very curious as to see what the Sikh beliefs are and deep down I know he respects Sikhs.

I totally agree, the Solution is to get well versed Sikhs onto other channels and shows to let the non-Sikhs learn about Sikhi from practising Sikhs.

Who is Nihal?

He does shows on BCC Radio for Asians and usually tells us Sikhs how we should deal with our affairs. I think he means well but usually does more harm than good for our reputation and image.

I don't listen to Asian network just because of him.

Can't blame you. However, sometimes it's worth listening so that you know what the 'damage' is that needs undoing following one of their shows.

I think he may possibly got one too many wedgies from Singhs in school and now the blood flow to his brain aint the best!

That's one theory (I just think that he doesn't realise the damage that he does to us).

Does anybody else ever get the impression that Nihal wants to be a Sikh? If you notice he can't seem to leave us alone. I'm sure Nihal would tell us it's just his job, but I'm not convinced???

It's almost like he wants to tell us that being a Sikh is basically the same as his own personal beliefs. However, because he can't embrace Sikhi (for whatever reasons) his envy shines through in his unrelenting aim to keep on taking the Separate identity of the Sikh Religion, and therefore the Sikhs, away from the Sikhs. Nihal will never accept Sikhs as a stand alone religion in its own right. I wonder if Nihal accepts the Christians and Muslims as stand alone religions in their own right, or does he think they are just a mixture of Judaism and something else!

Does anybody else think that Nihal simply thinks that Sikhi is simply the best religion, but, because he can't join it, he chooses to offend our religion, and therefore us Sikhs instead???

Other that what a few 'hand picked' people on his show, who call themselves Sikhs say, (and they probably all cut and shave their hair, but as it's radio, we, or others can't see that fact) I have never met a single Sikh who doesn't think that Nihal does more harm than good to our Religion by saying the stuff he says out of ignorance. However, it's a free world so he can carry on saying what he likes. I suppose as long as it keeps him in a job, he can carrying on offending us Sikhs, it pays his bills! Fair play to him!

Good example.

Another example. If you are in a cafe, having tea, and on another table theres a chap having his breakfast and tea. This other guy runs off without paying, should you pay his bill. of course not !!

Why should we pay for something which we are not responsible for.

If saying Sikhs are not Muslim saves Gurdwara and our people, then so be it.

You're absolutely right!

People like Nihal from the BCC make us feel guilty for trying to save our fellow Sikhs from being unfairly discriminated against i.e. sworn at, or spit at, or threatened, or beaten up, or even killed (as there have been many cases of Sikhs being killed due to being mistaken for Muslims). He tries to tell us that we are wrong for letting the world know that we are not Muslims. However, I dare him to even look at one of the Sikh relatives in the face whose relative had been seriously attacked or killed as a result of being mistaken for a Muslim, he wouldn't have the Guts!

I say we leave it at this....

Muslims are proud to Muslims, and to be known as Muslims, and NOT Sikhs!

We Sikhs are proud to be Sikhs, and to be known as Sikhs, and NOT Muslims!

If anyonw in the world Let's the World know they are who they are, then that does not mean they hate anyone, they are just stating a truthful fact, and not denying their identity.

Sikhs are not Muslims, just a truthful fact!

Sometimes I think it doesnt need us to go into too much detail. All we need to say is 'Sikhs are not Muslims', period.

If all us Sikhs went on as many sites as they could around the world ie Sikh websites, facebook pages, chat sites like this, twitter etc posting the simple words 'Sikhs are not Muslims' everything would be fixed overnight.

I'm sick of the fact that Muslims commited the 9/11 acts in America and the 7/7 acts in England and we Sikhs are taking all the flack!! Just as an individual needs to take responsibility for their own actions so do religions need to take responsibility for their own actions and history. Otherwise their is no incentive for that religion to sort out the mess it created or apologise for the mistakes it's made. It's up to the Muslims to sort out their own mess. SIkhs didn't commit 9/11 or 7/7, Muslims did. Nothing bad us going to happen to the muslims if we make it clear that we Sikhs are not Muslims as most Muslims don't wear turbans or have uncut hair anyway. So, we are not even doing the Muslims any favours by living a lie by effectively joining in this whole facade of not making it clear that we Sikhs are not Muslims.

This is key. All too often over the years, I have heard our own brothers, uncles etc say to the cameras that Sikhs are not associated with the Taliban. We are not terrorists and are not fundamentalists. But this is still not making it clear we are NOT MUSLIM. And by saying this, it does not mean we are saying it is ok to attack muslims but we are just making it very clear we are not muslims. I don't get the political correctness here.

I couldn't agree with you more Kalsingh! We go on our own channels and non-Sikh channels and keep mentioning Taliban, terrorists, fundamentalists associating those words with our image and name when in fact we have been proven to be the most helpful religion for all of mankind. All we need to say is we are not Muslims, Sikhs are not Muslims!

this guy was in military intelligence! He clearly knew about Islam, probably had in-depth understanding of Sunni/Shia, as he served in Iraq. This could not have been mistaken identity.

What you forget esingh is that this guy (crazy gun man M Page) had the worst case of mental illness you can have. You have to be really really, chronically mentally ill to start firing at unarmed people. Forget white supremecy this poor cowardly soul showed the dark depths of human inferiority. Every right minded white person is embarressed by what he did and is trying to disassociate themselves from this poor derranged coward. This crazy gun man demonstrated the lowest form of intelligence, the worst case of cowardliness, the darkest form of evil, depths that even hyenas have never been able to sink to. Whereas, the White American Police Officers who took bullets from this coward and shot him dead are at completely the other end of the spectrum. These American Police Officers showed the hieght of courage, selflessness and great intelligence. If there is supremacy it lies with all those beings that demonstrate courage, intelligence and selflessness (which the crazy killer gun man possessed none of).

Brother, you'd be surprised at how incredibly dumb and stupid people can be. Even if he knew Sikhs are not Muslim directly, sometimes ignorant people don't want to know. They think in their heads, 'they look the same, i don't really care about the difference in their beliefs, they're all the same to me'. Stuff like that.

Also, the fact he was military doesn't mean he knows who Sikhs are. You would think it would mean that, but it doesn't always. In the UK, there was a policeman who called a Singh a 'Muslim Sikh' whatever the hell that is.

Again, Kalsingh, agree with you totally. We (the Sikhs) have to let the World know who we are, or, how can we (the Sikhs) then not be held responsible for further innocent people dying just because they wear a beard and turban, All the terrorist in the 9/11 attacks in America, and 7/11 attacks in England were Muslims who DID NOT wear turbans or have uncut beards. The terrorist responsible for 9/11 and 7/11 were Muslims NOT SIKHS and they did not have uncut hair like Sikhs or they did not wear turbans like Sikhs. Even any media that causes confusion leading people to believe Sikhs are Muslims will have the blood of innocent Sikhs on their hands. Media staff, News readers, reports and interviewers should think very carefully before they deliberately, or by mistake or ignorance, tell the lie that Sikhs are associated to Muslims.

http://www.cnn.com/v...inder-singh.cnn

Great interview by Narinder SIngh from the Sikh coalition.

Yes, Good interview. But, again, what the bald interviewer says at 3.38 does not really help this interview at all. We do need to get the message across that Sikhs are not Muslims. i.e not only are Sikhs are not associated with the Taliban, Sikhs are not associated with Islam or the Muslim religion, period! (or full stop as we say in the UK.)

We have nothing against the Muslims at all, but we Sikhs want to be known as Sikhs. Why are we Sikhs so scared of simply sayings 'Sikhs are not Muslims' Why? The Muslims are not stupid or daft, they are big enough to justify their own religion. They {the Muslims] do not need, or want, us Sikhs to patronise them, by lying and making the world think they [the Muslims] are associated with our religion. Just like us they are proud to be a part of their religion and to be known as stand alone religion with their own separate beliefs and principles, in their own right. Accepting every religion to be different, and knowing what makes them different, is true acceptance! That is co-existence! Our Gurus stood true to their beliefs and let others follow their beliefs. We Sikhs should stand true to our beliefs and let Muslims follow their beliefs instead of standing back and letting millions and millions and millions of people around the World believe the lie that the Sikh Religion is not a stand alone religion, but instead is associated to either the Hindu or Muslim religion.

I think the fact that the nut case, and extremely cowardly gun man, had a 9/11 tattoo on his arm should tell us Sikhs that we still need to let people know thatwe are not Muslims. If we fail in letting the world know this now we could be indirectly responsible for the deaths of further Sikhs who get murdered due to slow minded people not knowing Sikhs are not Muslims. The Mosques are safe due to there being a bigger number of Muslims around the world to proctect the Mosques. Also, the many, many Muslim nations around the world can put pressure on countries like America and England to protect the mosques and muslims in these countries. However, which country do Sikhs have as a Sikh Nation to put pressure on these Governments to protect the Sikhs and Gurdware in western countries??

I think the American Law Enforcement Agencies did a great job in this case. But we don't want further American officers being nearly shot to death because we have not been able to let the Western World know that Sikhs are not Muslims. If the Western media also wants to prevent further innocent officers from being nearly shot to death while stopping white neo-nazis in their tracks then maybe they too should make sure that they make it clear that Sikhs are not Muslims!

If you do not know how big this problem of mistaken identity is for us then I ask you to go and ask any white westerner if the Sikh Religion is part of any other religion, and just see what answer you get !!!!!!!!!!!

I appreciate that this is late. However, if we had let the world know that Sikhs are not Muslims from 9/11 onwards... maybe what happen in wisconsin a few days ago may not have occured at all !!

To the person who started this thread (and anyone else who wants to know why we keep our hair).....

As said before we keep our hair because God made us that way. To cut it is to say God got it wrong, and instead of following God, we then follow the person who first cut their hair and started off the man made trend of cutting hair. If a man cuts his hair including his beard he deforms his face. It's just like drinking, smoking, herion, cocaine, they are all man made pass times that some people choose to follow, however a Sikh never should !!!

You're probably doing this for a woman or women. Alot of women are drawn to more feminine features, like flowers, make up, jewellery, flowery dresses and skimpy little sandals etc etc. A male face with the hair scrapped off it does look more pretty and feminine and therefore women are more likely to be drawn to a pretty little lady like face, as it fits in well with all their other feminine collection. Especially as the media reinforces this!

I put the question back to you:

All 10 Gurus didn't cut their hair, drink alcohol, smoke or commit Adultery. So why would we do any of these things including cutting our hair? If anyone can answer this question I'd like to know????

I need someone to confirm whether Satwant Singh and Beant Singh who assassinated Indira Gandhi were from lower caste. As well as Bhai Jaita Singh who picked up Guru Tegh Bahadur Singh's severed head and brought it to Guru Gobind Singh Ji and later gave up his life for Guru Ji was from lower caste. Along with 4 of the 5 pyare's were from lower castes. I dont even know how one caste could claim that a certain religion only belongs to them. Its absurd. No wonder we won't see Khalsa Raj during our lifetimes. It will probably be someone from a Western country who would get influenced by Sikh religion and then later on try to establish Khalsa once again.

@jsinghnz

I don't think dasgurka is acknowledging caste above. I think, dasgurka is saying that even though some people, who still call themselves Sikhs but instead follow brahaminvaad i.e. the caste system, may see the above great great great Singhs as lower caste, the above Singhs we in fact greatly elevated human beings because of the actions.

I think dasgurka is saying that after getting rid of their castes by taking Amrit, and carrying out amazing actions for the good of humanity, the above Sikhs are looked upto by us as the highest of the highest Sikhs of the Guru. Proving your previous caste is truely be wipped out once you take Amrit.

It's what inside you that counts, not the man made caste label given to you

(Like I say that's what I think dasgurka is saying).

@DasGurka - sorry if I have misunderstood you, or offended you by trying to say what you meant.

The Messiah Is Here ... and It Is Us

For a Sikh always has two roles to play: our own personal journey on the path laid out by Guru Nanak, and that same journey as a member of the Panth.

These are not two paths - only the one.

There is work to be done.

We should never forget the Master who has given us our bodies, our every breath.

With this body, with our own hands, let us complete our work ourselves.

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Great article!!

As you say, our saviour is always here, Guru Granth and Guru Panth!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Suspect he meant "mona".

I used to be very critical of those who cut their hair or worse, cut their kids hair. I've come to realise God is in your worst enemy just as he is within you.

I do feel there is a difference between Sikh and Singh and the latter should definitely have dastaar/pagh and beard.

But in limiting saroop, you limit those who may progress to full saroop and these are the people you need to help. Stomping on them isn't going to help.

Got my answer! Brilliaint !!!

There was no opinion in my question, I use wanted the Sangat's views.

Thanks to everyone who replied!

We all know that the ultimate Sikh male will have uncut kesh/hair with a full flowing open beard and where the 5k's and obviously do nitnem. However, please could the Sangat let us know if any of following 'inbetween' states, from a point of view of adopting the Sikhi Saroop, are actually better than being a munar (a shaved and hair cut sikh):

A) wearing a turban or patka whilst shaving and cutting your hair, and still drinking in pubs

B) wearing a turban or patka whilst shaving and cutting your hair

C) wearing a turban or patka with earrings, and still drinking in pubs

D) wearing a turban or patka with earrings

E) wearing a turban or patka whilst not cutting the hair on your head but keeping stubble or a trimmed beard, and still drinking

F) wearing a turban or patka whilst not cutting the hair on your head but keeping stubble or a trimmed beard

G) wearing a patka with the joora at the back of your head with an open beard

H) Doing everything the ultimate Sikh male does but keeping your beard tied up

After SinghStah's recent post (re the poor soul who smoked whilst being in Sikhi Saroop) I thought it would be good to know if some 'half way' attempts at trying and adopt the Sikhi Saroop are actually much more damaging and humiliating than just simply remaining a munar/hair cut and shaved Sikh.

Please do reply. It could save some people, who are thinking of doing just one of the above, from do more harm than good

Great Job SinghStah,

I could never do that. I haven't got the energy to speak to such moorrakhs. I just think these 'so called' sikhs are totally deviod of any self respect, knowledge or intelligence, and so I would never have the courage to try and even start to climb such a steep mountain.

The worst is, these people keep the sikhi saroop to buy themselves some respect by attaching themselves to the image of the Sikhs. However, they just bring disrespect to the rest of the Sikhs. As long as these selfish people can get the respect they gain from the Sikhi Saroop, they're happy. The don't care how much they insult our Guru!

Full respect to you though !

I don't think this happened..

A family bought a house built on a very old cemetery. The arial came off the telly and the little girl of the house was pulled into the telly while there was no transmission. Then a lady came and pulled the little girl out the telly with a long rope, and then said "this house is clean".

I think the above is just fiction though.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh,

For those of you in the Midlands, there's still a couple of dates left. Then it's back to London way with a final date in the Midlands to finish off. At least this way more people can get to a Gurdwara near them on the dates.

Don't forget to note the dates of when the Gurdwara is nearer you !!!

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

As an Amritdhari your father has a choice on whether he wears a helmet or not.

Millions of people around the world, who are not Amritdhari, ride a Motor bike without a helmet.

Some Sikhs wear a helmet, others, like you Veer Ji, can only wear a Dastaar and not replace it or cover it - RESPECT !!!