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£18K LOSSES ONLY GOD KNOWS HOW MUCH BEFORE THAT....NO BUSINESS RATES OR TAXATION TO PAY ON TOP FOR 20 YEARS OF WHICH FOR 3 YEARS THE PLACE WAS ACTUALLY A VERY NICE GURDWARA.....AND YET PEOPLE STILL THINK THERE IS NO connection between the 2 buildings...

NO LETTER SIGNED BY THE COMMITTEE TO ACCEPT CONDITIONS AGREED AT MORCHA...

Amritdaries no longer welcome by the dudley sangat

LOOKS LIKE THE DEFIANCE IS STILL STRONG

lets get one thing straight the freehold was purchased by the gurdwara purely out of gurdwara golak funds........yes the building itself was built from other sources.......including a contribution from the nishkam sevak jatha and baba ji himself laid the first brick.....all these are facts!!!

guru ji's property/land has been used for immoral purposes...end of!!!

what we should be talking about is the woman spokesperson for the centre how dare she call mahraj da saroop...a book......further beadbi here to a national audience what a total disgrace!!!

omg the community centre actually made a loss of £18K!!!!

don't worry the gurdwara will bail it out again :ipunchyou:

Dudley will be defiant they have another 2 days to send the letter to satkaar and the akal thakt..........i personally don't think they will sign it then we are all back to square 1........like the idea of maybe closing both buildings the gurdwara and centre giving all the money to sikh charaties and call it a day...plenty of gurdwara and comunity centres in the surrounding areas and all the booday have free bus passes....don't think it would be a great loss to anyone......in another 10 years no one will be going to the gurdwara or the day centre anyway....

Agree with Dudley Singh you can never condone violence and thuggish behavior and the law will take whatever action takes place.....

But again when looking at who to blame for this entire fiasco it must be the Gurdwara/Centre comittee

Why on earth did they decide to hold this party and put innocent people at potential risk...

They knew there where going to be potential issues here especially when they cancelled the protest....it was antogonostic behavior to hold this party people where already angry when they got there......you can't say anymore than that....

The committee put there own families lives at risk over the thirst for what??? meat and sharab at a community centre....they must have little value for there family shame on you!!!!!

great debate but we losing track on the central issue..........has the minds of the comittee wale or dudley sangat changed???

listning to the nihal programme a trustee of the gudwara came on and it don't seem the case..........the bloke on the picture of the sun and the mail is still a comittee wale of the sikh cultural centre and the gurdwara simultaneously...have the committee signed the letter and sent it to the akal thakt??

i hear that the dudley sangat now wishes to ban all gursikhs from the gurdwara.....and turn the gurdwara to the first mona only gurdwara?? is this true

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3607664/Militant-Sikh-mob-wreck-Sikh-Cultural-Centre-in-Dudley-in-booze-row.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1392108/Militant-Sikhs-trash-OWN-community-centre-bid-ban-sale-meat-alcohol-private-party.html

i'm a celebrity please get me in here ;-)........

Gosh great debate and i Think the Akal Thakt sandeesh was the winner!!

However the callers forgot to mention that the Centre was actually a Gurdwara for 2 years and that 99.9% of the users are the same users and which community centre has had the Bhai Sahib of Soho Road and Panj Piara lay the founding stone??/

Hmmm smells a bit religious to me...I'm sure Channi from alaap was a Icon at the time and he would have been happy to lay the first stone :-)

I will be unbiased as possible I arrived at the gurdwara around 12.15 and found that the car park which belongs to the gurdwara having a barrier on it and members of the gurdwara/centre committee directing people into the car park for party users.

At the gates of the centre those attending the party where standing and watching

At the bottom of the road singhs started to come and were told by the police not to go near the carpark that meant that the singhs increasing in numbers had very little space the singhs then started to do simran and chaupi sahib in the road...this carried on for a good hour by this time the party people had also started to arrive which meant that more of the party people (some who did matha taek at the gurdwara first) went towards the party hall.

All was peaceful.....then out of the blue 5 party goers lead by "Sangha" came up provocatively towards the singhs and said "Ajo singho changi photo kitcho"...this incensed some of the singhs and they chased them towards the centre.......thats how it all kicked off!!

The Protest is back on thanks to Dudley Committee Wale.......You have just showed your true colours :-)

Yes I have heard the same thing should be a good watch but would have preffered them to come on the Sikh Channel's Youth Show as I reckon Kam Singh would have got vexed again and the programe would still be on air :-)....it was a good one last week.

Back to the point we will hear today that the centre has never been part of the gurdwara, not one penny has been spent from the gurdwara on the centre etc etc etc.....you can speak as much as you like the facts speaks for themselves the gurdwara has always been the custodian for the centre the foundation stone of the centre was laid by the Panj Piaray, Sant Baba Pauran Singh the original founder of the Nishkam Sevak Jatha made a personal donation to build this centre...I wonder if they told him meat and alchol was going to be served on these premises when they asked him for cash??

This commitee cannot be trusted even the mice have managed to shut down the gurdwara's kitchen I hear .........so i guess the langar is now being prepared at the building formally known as the Sikh Cultral Centre opposite the road maybe thats a question they could answer live on the show!!

Yes we must remember that this job is not complete its a good job but until anything changes and the centre refers back to the gurdwara this problem will still exist.....think the best thing should be that a kabzaa on the centre should take place with immediate effect....the jathia bandia leaders will have a lot to answer for when this situation arises again...as i'm sure it will and the fun and games will begin again!!

Still think the protest would have had the best end result...even if it meant the uk sangat did simran in the gurdwara!!!

Good news that the family have come to the senses and cancelled the party.......

BAD News: Dudley Committee have not changed there minds on this issue and will continue to be defiant on this matter infact from what I have heard there position and popularity within the "sangat" has actually increasd......

Nothing has actually changed?????

What will happen when we have no time or noticethat a party has been arranged ie if they got one on the 5th June when they know it maybe safe to do soo????

Has anyone actually resigned or been sacked from the committee.......NO

I personally think cancelling this rally is not the right thing to do as nothing has actually changed by having a 1000 people there with full TV coverage and media will mean that we are actually serious in changing attitudes even if people come and visit this gurdwara once this will never happen again...other gurdwara will also see this and the campaign will flourish

As stated before they have already disrepected Guru Ji, the Jathadars of Siri Akal Thakt and lied to the West Midlands Jathia Bandia Leaders Lied and mis informed the whole world on the ownership of the Sikh Cultural Centre and got off scott free....Its a total disgrace....Mark my words they will re name the centre Asian Community Centre and in a couple of years all will be ok to resume parties there as the Satkaar campaign will have ended!!

You are dealing with the lowest form of sewer rats please do not just feed them with a little poison and then walk away!!

gut feeling tells me that the party will be cancelled as it was never really going to take place but was seen as a test on what the reaction would have been but the committee are hoping that by next year the satkaar campaign will die out so maybe next year once the 5 member committee has got its feet under the table made the centre more "Asian" and then all will be ok.....

from previous history this committee cannot be trusted and has been seen to be one step head of the 8 ball....Be AWARE very AWARE....

Guru Ji is actually being robbed of its future sangat who are disallusioned and confused by inept gurdwara commitees like this one.......where as other gurdwara in the area have thriving community centres dudley has a party hall with no youth activities or support network for people who have just left school college or are returning from university......or need help.......information from individuals who live in dudley say that this centre serves a few old people who play cards during the weekday and some ladies fitness sessions and they get a free meal which they could easily get at the gurdwara......young people and those who have children are not allowed to go near this centre so do not go to the gurdwara as wel.....you surely can't be that blind to see that this is a ego driven self interest committee/agenda....the average age of the sangat is 65-80 years old whats gonna happen when they all start dying....who will look after the gudwara and centre then ?? actually i have a good idea why don't the commitee sell the centre to the muslims for £2 they will make a 100% profit and the dudley mosque issue will be resolved!!!

Actually Mr Mandare you were not present at the gurdwara on sunday satkaar sevadars peacefully approached the sangat and talked to the "elders" with respect........inside the gurdwara these very elders where calling them kuthay etc and apparently it was the wife of your very respected financial sevadar mr anokh mandare that called one of the singh's a "bas**d" to his face......she was then politely told to go in the gurdwara by a local singh!!!

facts about the party........its organised by the gurdwara committee/centre committee (same thing) local people received texts to come to the party for £20......no takers then reduced the price to £10 15 takers after the committee members went to there houses and now its now free!!! making another loss for the gurdwara to pick up!!

it is a deliberate attempt to provoke the uk sangat as was the lies told by the committee re the gurdwaras ownership of the centre....if the general secretary of the gurdwara writes in the punjab times the centre has never belonged to the gurdwara why did they have to seperate transfer ownership of it for a £1.... if i asked you to give me your shop for £1 would you not be angry??

you don't live in dudley and haven't for 20 years things and people change but the sikhi agenda does not.....The West Midlands is cleaning up its act with regards to this matter and we wll unite peacefully on saturday!!!

Watch the sikh youth programme repeat on sikh channel and see what is going on in Dudley and the words by a none turbanned singh and you will start to think deferently...on this committee and the continous lies and beadbi they are doing.

For someone whose arguments for the centre are based solely around income generation i'm totally astounded that you don't check the figures before you write your words my friend......if you where on apprentice you would be fired for this....as for you identity being public and your grandfather being a decorated soldier my grandfather was also a soldier so no brownie points for that mate.....please check your facts before posting your ideology on business economics to the sangat....as you are probably a novice to the business world and also sikh principles so i advise you to do a bit of research first you don't look like a fool then!!

you donate to the gurdwara or the centre?????.......................ooops until recently they were the same thing until the gurdwara sold the hall for a £1 to a 5 member committee all of whom bar 1 where members of the gurdwara committee :-)....as for being jelous of "our" hall check last years accounts and see how much the parties actually made.....and compare that with "our" centre and also the facilities we have and you have and you will see its better to have a vibrant home than a massive building with nothing in it :-)

Just asked my cousin who lives in dudley the only madares he knows in dudley is *personal info edited* who is one of the main "stakeholders" of the sikh cultural centre..so i guess *edit* is related to him and has a interest in this matter......for all his views on income generation can he expalin why a gurdwara like edward street in west brom where i am from is smaller than the dudley one and has a community hall smaller than the dudley one and runs adequately without maas sharab......also he needs to go to sedgely street and see there centre as well.....no wonder he lives 120 miles away from dudley!!!

Fantastic show on sikh channel last night.....highlighting the Dudley issue think this should be followed up...next week after the rally!!

Sounds like Dudley Committee Wale once again flexing its muscles and endless resources to promote there agenda.....I wouldn't be suprised if they bring the heavies in at the rally.....the lengths and determination they are going to side step any rules to satisfy there thirst and hunger for maas and sharab and to keep both the gurdwara and the centre in there control is amazing!!!

Was a great show as usual.....can you confirm that this sunday's show will be about the continous beadbi and anti sikh stuff happining on our very doorstep at Dudley Gurdwara???

Yes meat and sharab will flow at the Sikh Cultural Centre like the waters of the punjab............will rai,purewal,sandhu and atwal be there is the big question.....they have in there own minds beaten the uk sangat and told the midland jathadars and even the akal thatkt jathadar what they think of them and where to go!!

Maybe someone can arrange for the akal thakt da jathadaar to come to dudley would love to see him take on these guys......my £1 is on dudley to win :-)

A good update and reflection on whats going on the defiance of the Dudley "Sangat" is amazing if only a similar lust for sikhi existed as there is for maas and sharab we would rule the world......does anyone know where the funds go to the gurdwara (or the un accountable managment commitee of the centre) ...when you have a tea at the centre before the wedding??? I hear about £300 is charged for this privilage which is a good earner!!