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  1. Sab Sikhan Ko Hukam Hai, Guru Maneyo Granth. One does not become a Sikh by bowing down to Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but following the ORDER of Guru Gobind Singh Ji Kalgidhar, that they believe in Guru Granth Sahib Ji as their Guru. A person who bows in front of Guru Maharaj on Sunday could bow down to the Bhagavad Gita on Monday, and the Quran on Tuesday....who is their Guru? What is their faith? If you don't see Guru Granth Sahib Ji as your Guru and you don't follow Sikhi, you cannot marry in a Gurdwara. Guru-dwara. The house of the Guru.
  2. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-17117530 Men 'plied girls with drink and drugs for sex' A group of 11 men plied girls as young as 13 with drink and drugs so they could use them for sex, a court has heard. The offences are said to have happened in and around Rochdale, Greater Manchester, in 2008 and 2009. Liverpool Crown Court heard how the men, aged between 22 and 59 and from Oldham and Rochdale, "acted together to sexually exploit the girls". All deny conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child under 16. Rachel Smith, opening the case for the prosecution, said one 13-year-old fell pregnant to one of the defendants and had an abortion. She said another girl felt flattered by the attention but that she quickly became regularly heavily drunk, depressed and "incapable of getting herself out of the situation". Another teenager recalled being raped by two men while she was "so drunk she was vomiting over the side of the bed", she added. Miss Smith said: "No child should be exploited as these girls say they were." 'Raped and assaulted' The court heard that some of the girls were raped and physically assaulted and some were forced to have sex with "several men in a day, several times a week". Miss Smith said the girls were given alcohol, food and money in return for sex but that there were times when violence was used. The court was told that some of the defendants also took payments from other men to whom they supplied the girls for sex. The girls involved were not in school regularly and often "drank and smoked and hung around with little to do". One of the men worked at The Balti House in Heywood, which is now under new ownership Miss Smith said they were the "sort of children who were easy to identify, target and exploit for the sexual gratification of these men". The court heard the men knew each other and two of them worked in takeaways in Heywood, Rochdale, called Tasty Bites and the Balti House. Both takeaways are now under new ownership. Four of the men worked as cab drivers at local taxi firms, one was a student and four were jobless. Kabeer Hassan, 24, Abdul Aziz, 41, Abdul Rauf, 43, Mohammed Sajid, 35, Adil Khan, 42, Abdul Qayyum, 43, Mohammed Amin, 44, Qamar Shahzad, 29, Liaquat Shah, 41, and Hamid Safi, 22, have all pleaded not guilty to conspiracy to engage in sexual activity with a child under 16. A 59-year-old man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, also denies the same charge. Trafficking charge He also denies two counts of rape, aiding and abetting a rape, one count of sexual assault and an allegation of trafficking within the UK for sexual exploitation. Mr Hassan, of Lacrosse Avenue, Oldham, and Mr Shahzad, of Tweedale Street, Rochdale, also deny rape. Mr Aziz, of Armstrong Hurst Close, Rochdale, denies two counts of rape and one allegation of trafficking for sexual exploitation. Mr Khan, of Oswald Street, and Mr Rauf, of Darley Road, both in Rochdale, have also pleaded not guilty to trafficking for sexual exploitation. Mr Sajid, of Jepheys Street, Rochdale, denies trafficking, two counts of rape and one allegation of sexual activity with a child. Mr Amin, of Falinge Road, Rochdale, denies sexual assault. Mr Shah and Mr Safi, both of Kensington Street, Rochdale, each denied two counts of rape and Mr Safi has also pleaded not guilty to trafficking. Mr Aziz, Mr Khan, Mr Safi and the 59-year-old are currently in custody. Mr Qayyum, of Ramsay Street, Rochdale, and the rest of the defendants are on bail. The court heard that on one occasion the 59-year-old man met two girls at a takeaway where they were given food and vodka. He demanded sex from one 15-year-old, saying: "It's part of the deal because I bought you vodka, you have to give me something." Miss Smith said the girl refused and he raped her. The jury also heard that in about August 2008 Abdul Aziz "took over" from the 59-year-old and started taking girls to various locations where they would have sex with older men. One of these locations was a flat in Jephys Street, Rochdale, where Mohammed Sajid and Mohammed Shazad lived, where a "group of men" would always be waiting to have sex with them. The trial continues.
  3. WJKK WJKF I know this may sound very unimportant in comparison to the topic of all the other threads, but i wanted to ask if anyone could advise me where i could buy dastaar material of different colours from, in Handsworth or Smethwick or Wolverhampton, or surrounding areas. Thank you WJKK WJKF
  4. The following is an update of positive goings on in Dudley in relation to Sikhi. The following quotes are taken from "Dudley Sikhs" Facebook page - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003392675972 1/2/12: "Had a meeting with the Dudley Gurdwara committee last night. After throwing up unreasonable demand after unreasonable demand the talks were called off. They seem to be putting up obstacles on purpose to slow down the energy of the youth and have no interest in furthering the teachings of our Guru's. Internal politics have ruined the Gurdwara we were brought up in. We have a meeting with the second Dudley Gurdwara on thursday to talk about moving the youth movement there with a rough date of the second week of feb for our first Gurmat Camp there which will have the presence of either Sangat TV or Sikh Channel. We wanted to be peaceful and help turn Dudley Gurdwara around, it is with a heavy heart that we are now going to base our youth group away from the home we were born into." 7/2/12: "After a meeting between Dudley Youth and Guru Tegh Bahadur Gurdwara, Dudley, we have agreed to create a Gurmat Camp during half term, more details will be available over the coming days. This has only been possible thanks to Guru Ji's kirpa and the help and support of our brothers and sisters." Please can all of you try your hardest to come and support this. Especially after the bad press our town and its people were subjected to for events that occurred. We are trying our hardest to make amends for the complacency of ou r community leaders over almost the last two decades, leading to countless members of our community (especially youths) not being given the priceless gift of being educated about Sikhism. CAMP ADVERTISEMENT VIDEO!!!!!!
  5. Lol.k. Im obsessed with Mr thakar, he is my hero, and sangat tv is "my" channel and it wasn't "one of my trustees on the flight, i AM that trustee!! Will that explanation suffice? Now carry on and close the thread if you wish. And just for the record, im not asking for this to happen because it "backfired" on me lol....(where your paranoia comes up i have no idea!), i gave my opinion and said how i felt. I don't really understand what backfired. i asked for the thread to be closed because of the outrageous post by the one member, which i stil feel is totally out of order. It can stay on if they don't feel the need to close it, I've got no problem with my opinion being left on here! Finally, in regards to the ticket agent issue....you're actually wrong. There were two other independent agents who had sold tickets too. also, although i wish this doesn't happen, i doubt that this airline will last even a few more months. what'll really be funny then is tethat people will say one ticket agent closed down an airline. smarter people will see the reality.
  6. JasSinghKhalsa.... You are totally right about the silence of sangat tv about the khalistan issue. my personal opinion is that Sikh channel made their view known about their position regarding this issue in theire reply to the ofcom letter....stating that they had got rid of the presenter who had used the "offensive" things against india and its government, and that his views did not reflect those of the channel. ain't heard nothing about khalistan since that. you speak of news and sangat tv not reporting worthwhile stories that need coverage. again, i agree with you. but again, i also think that this applies to both channels. Sikh channel news is on now. I've been watching for half an hour. Their feature story is about a land issue between father and son where the pind members had to intervene......groundbreaking. i viewed your pics of the 3ho stuff. totally wrong. reminds me of the time the nirmala guy was doing the same kinda stuff at his house....the day after he had presented his programme on Sikh channel. lol. lets be fair hear.
  7. Thanks for your opinion and very wise words singh135. lol. HSingh, ive read your post many times and i cannot believe a moderator on this site has sent such a disgusting message. I hope sikhsangat exercise some sort of damage limitation and not only close but also delete this thread that i started. i am not the biggest fan of Sikh channel and its my personal opinion that their decision makers have had poor judgment in the past resulting in dire consequences (just ask the UK naujawans for a start) but i would never dream about saying such derogatory words about the channel, as you have said about sangat tv, as its still a channel in existence to promote Sikhi, i cannot believe your words im curious to know whether you are from uk or if you are a moderator from abroad. Because it really seems inconceivable how you could say all of those things about a channel if you actually watched it on a regular basis. the youth thing for example. have you not heard or watched sangat kids? have you asked Sikh youth project why they left Sikh channel and appeared on sangat tv? thatwant to example's just one example....idon't want to counter your other remarks as i really want to exercise some form of damage limitation and ask you to kindly delete this thread.
  8. Erm, im a little confused. I dont remember saying anything about who broke the story and who got there first or anything like that.....why does it always have to be about who won the race?! Lol, i was speaking of the quality of coverage. Where Sangat TV had the travel agent, Sikh Channel just spent the majority of their air time cursing the guy...respect to the guy for calling in the Sikh Channel studio and saying his piece and made himself heard. In my personal opinion, Sikh Channel need more skilled presenters who dont jump on the bandwagon and curse people....like what the presenter was doing in regards to the agent. Its not professional. Agreed, let the people calling in say what they want, but the presenter should be the voice of mutuality. Its not even a fact that the airline in question had released a statement, so how can a television presenter take a stance against one party when BOTH parties hadn't even been spoken to?! Lol. I refer to such statements like; "If the agent is honest, why is he hiding? Why does he not answer calls?" Erm...maybe because he's appearing live on the other channel and explaining himself mate!
  9. Just wanted to big up Sangat TV for their coverage of the Comtel/Vienna flight fiasco. They actually got the main travel agent in question on their show, who addressed the audiences appropriately... Our friends in the Sikh Channel also in my opinion showed their stupid tactics again, by basically berating the guy....with stupid presenter bias and calls from stupid people making stupid claims against the agent before asking his version of events. Lol, the presenter actually accused the agent of hiding and not addressing the issue and letting the general public know anything....when the reality was that he just went to Sangat TV instead! So bitter these guys are... Big up also the the agent in question, who rang into the Sikh Channel show to tell his side of the story.
  10. Porsche911, I respect the passion that you have and with which you speak about your Gurdwara sahib. Its nice to see and the institution would benefit from having people that think like you in its committee. Regarding the Gurdwara being perceived as a museum....im not from that area, so if you say its not the case then i suppose youre in a better place to make that judgment, as you know your Gurdwara sahib better than me. In regards to speaking to this committee member one to one, i have no interest in doing so. I know not all committee members of Gurdwaras are the same, but this individuals badly planned remarks and decisions lead me to believe that i can imagine how the conversation would go if i did speak with him. Im sure he would think of Banda Singh Bahadur as the greatest warrior that ever lived. Im sure he would think of Mai Bhago and the greatest wariorress that ever lived. Im sure he would think of Beant Singh and Satwant Singh as the greatest shaheeds that ever lived. Ive been around committees, done it, and got the tshirt, and i can safely say that from my experience, people with judgment like this particular individuals have more faces than the clock and will swap opinions and stances depending on the person they are talking to...APART from the time they get wound up and hot headed, leading to a remark made out of anger, which is when their true feelings come out....ring any bells? I come on here to give my opinion. Im not interested in talking to him in the slightest. He's not accountable to me. He is accountable to his committee and the sangat who have given him the status as a committee member. But mostly, and ultimately, he is accountable to guru maharaj. And for people like this committee member (if he is the kind of person i am speaking about) i often wonder.... ...Daran raa-ey jab lekha maagai kiya mukh leh keh jaahega? - When the righteous judge of Dharma calls for your account, what face will you show him then?
  11. Guru Panth Khalsa, I must admit that i believe you are telling the truth. The way you come across and the details you give seem very truthful and another thing that makes me believe you is the fact that ive seen this scenario time and time again with committees and their "sunday sermons" to their local sangat members, albeit NEVER directly related to putting down Shaheed Singhs like these people have done. I would also like to say that although it is interesting how many singhs from outer areas came and addressed the sangat today, if history is anything to go by, normal service will sadly resume next week onwards, when these people will have an extra vendetta to spread hate about local sangat today who supported the Singhs from outer areas. Until singhs dont start going to these places week in week out until change occurs, nothing will happen. I believe it should be the duty of the BSC to do this but lets not kid ourselves... Also, the first thing i think of when someone mentions the Leamington Gurdwara to me is (apart from its grand design) the amazing art work...the massive photos of Banda Singh Bahadur and Mai Bhago (in the stairwells)...i have not seen such grand paintings with attached timelines in any other Gurdwara in the UK....so, what message are the committee members trying to give, when they say that there is no way they will allow anyone to speak about anyone but the Gurus? To me, the message is that they built this Gurdwara Sahib as a tourist attraction. Almost as a museum. As a gallery. As a picture of sikhism to the mainstream. Forgetting the very meaning of a Gurdwara sahib....that it is our Gurus house. End of. What a very bad judgement that committee member made who said no one but the Gurus would be spoken about...
  12. This is either a case of someone starting a complete lie, or its a case of bad intentioned committee folk acting as though butter wouldnt melt in their mouths, for the purposes of media only. From what i have heard of this Gurdwara Sahibs committee, i would be lnclined to believe (and i hope i am wrong) that they are covering up. What these people need to understand is that yes, saying something on TV to the world on one occasion will mean the message will get through to people, and it will enable the committee to have an extent of clearance on the issue, HOWEVER, what they preach on stages on any given sunday, the bullying they do to sangats on any given sunday, is something that in the long run they will not be able to cover up, and they will get their comeuppance from Guru Maharaj. So just to clarify, i DO hope that it was all a fabrication, and that no group of people managing a Gurdwara sahib would utter such vitriol, but i do get the feeling that if anyone was to attend any institution on a weekly basis that causes controversy like this, they would see the true picture for themselves, and i do not for a second believe that this is the last we will hear of controversies arising from the Leamington Gurdwara...
  13. My friend, i didnt mean to imply that all Sikh Channel do is spread hatred. I would not have used those words myself, but Paneer monster seems to think that i am spreading hatred about Sikh Channel in my post above. Now, is posting a link in which there is a print screen of hate being spread by the official Sikh Channel facebook page evidence of me spreading hate?! I merely stated fact. And in relation to D Day, you either havent been watching their live shows on the channel or you dont understand punjabi. The way they degraded respected individuals and jathebandiya with taunts of "i know their history, i will tell their whole story on here, there was a time when they were begging me and calling themselves dogs" (or words to that effect)....now, that is what i would call spreading hate. Somewhere along the lines, their tactic changed from positively promoting the D Day through dialogue, to belittling and slandering the people who were not supporting it. I.e. Sikh Council UK, Sangat TV, Sikh Federation, and all other Jathedandiya..... Its nice to see so many Sikhs have used their own initiative and attended today. There is a fairly good turn out. However, i see hardly any youth. In comparison to elders and mostly bibiya. This just makes me believe more firmly that what Sikh Channel did regarding Satkaar Campaign and the Dudley saga and the Youth show has really alienated them.
  14. ^^^ Old skool, the hatred Sikh Channel are spreading on national & international tv is affecting a lot more people than mine on an internet forum.
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