DustOfTheSaintsFeet

^^ :stupidme: Ahh, how culture still defines us fools....

1. What will you do? Serve the needy- the starving, the downtrodden, and the ill. Serve truth to whoever will listen. 2. What major positive or negative changes you will plan to bring? Help the poor get into work, provide shelter for the poor, feed the hungry, help them get established- whether they are white black, chinese or red. 3. What will be your 4 major policies or your signature ideas 1. Call on the Sangat worldwide to step forward and donate to the poor and hungry. 2. Call on the sangat to step forward and help the needy to get jobs, get shelter and grow or make own food etc. 3. Disregard all rituals and teach all to purify the heart, of the importance of silencing the mind which in turn gets rid of the 5 theives and to embrace all as One as per Gurbani. 4. Provide shelter for the downtrodden in the gurdwarras, every extra room to be filled with those who have no place to stay until they are established. 4. What changes will you prefer or plan to bring in SGPC? (Some facts: There are 175 members, mostly voted by rural folks. They are official holders of annual 600 crore budget). Outlaw corruption, bribery, theivery etc, alcohol and taking advantage of others, jadoo etc within the membership. 5. Create your own question and answer it by yourself !! Why is there a shortage of Brahmgyanis? Because people have no idea how much they procrastinate or are lost in trishna(ego of seva, seva for glory of self, not for god).

Yes the world is an illusion, all that really actually exists is nothing- God is of no image, no colour etc, 'Na roop na rang na rekh'= Nothing Do naam simran, attuning yourself to thsi truth, remember this gyan day and night and you are remembering Him. I used to sit in lectures attuning myself to his name(truth/Him) and everytime I stopped, even when writing notes etc, I felt I'd fallen, Truth/God was a nasha(still is). Now I sit at work doing it, stand doing it, walk doing it, go to sleep doing it, it's no chore, it's a privilege. If we are able to attune ourselves to Him, to the truth that is Him throughout everything and every situation and apply the gyan of gurbani to the same, remembering gurbani's truths- letting them take on the false of maya, we have passed His greatest tests- no matter what we see, hear and feel, we remember its all just him and we remain calm and in truth- how can the theives conquer us when we have this gyan? Get past the imagery, dont be fooled by it, people may slander and spit on you while your living in truth, attuning yourself to him/his frequency but remeber, theyre just him teaching you a fault still exists so work on it- With this gyan, you just keep going on the path, nothing can stop you, you're just flowing through his love, fearlessly accepting that it is all Him no matter how good or bad your eyes delude you into thinking it is.

This is great :happy2: It'd be great if everyone posts a smiley face when they click so we can see how many cups are donated.

If we think of illusion as everything with an image, we come to understand that the possibilities are limitless. Dreams are real- thoughts can be manifested from thought to physical reality- which is actually false- just like a dream. When we understand that dreams are just as real as real life, we begin to understand samadhi, astral travel etc. The physical realm(or 3rd world) is parallel to the spiritual realm, it is the astral projection of the 2nd world that Guru Nanak Ji mentions in gurbani(he mentions the 3 worlds.) But we are not here for all of that, we're here to discover for the 1st world, or the Nothingness which is Truth- our true nature- form, as we are formless beings. This is the most humble energy as it is devoid of maya(illusion of image/ ego) and is is the balance. The more we accept the nothingness/truth/god as reality and God as everything, the more we detach from the illusion and see all as one, good and bad, heaven and hell, pain and pleasure, the rest really doesn't matter, everything else happens according to hukam.

Like gurbani says, nirboah and nirvair, He is One and so are we. If we read mool mantar with an open heart, we would realise this. There is no good or bad, no true or false, just hukam, karam. Some are led to truth, some are led astray. We each partake in the game he has written for us of self discovery, all eventually discovering that we are all one and the same- we had just ignored and became attached to certain aspects of ourselves, suppressing the others(satan is god, he just supresses/ignores parts of himself(darkness/ignorance), does not embrace nirboah and nirvair- he is the whole of creation and beyond as are we and anyone else), so he fed us dukh, he hit us in the form of bad people and slanderers, only to get us back to the balance again through our bhagti, it is all fearless love(Nirboah, nirvair) on His part, he knows we may harbour ill will against him but he does it for our own benefit and ultimate joy. When we embrace and accept the whole, the good and bad, pleasure and pain as One, as simple, fearless and pure love, that is when the One, our true natures are discovered again. Nirboah and Nirvair, it's simple, it can't be twisted. Disregard everything I've wrote and do naam simran on these two simple words with an open heart- truly feel what they are.

How very dare you even in your wildest dreams ever think of me as someone disregarding the very first line of gurbani as simple romanticism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In the 54 years of my little life, this is THE MOST STUPID, UNINTELLIGENT, FALSE, AND RIDICULOUS ACCUSATION anyone ever made of me! Well my friend let me quote you again "romanticist, theologically faulty, and hot potch preach on the omnipresence of God and how everything is ultimately His game when the issue at hand ". Nirboah and nirvair have everything to do with this issue, as does it have everything to do with every single moment of our lives in this khel. Living Nirboah and Nirvair or striving to live in Nirboah and nirvair are the aims of sikhi, it is the only way we are able to not think of, but to actually Feel truth in every single situation, whether it is on a forum whilst dealing with angry posters or establishing whether or not one is committing a beadbi. If you are not living Nirboah and Nirvair in a moment, your judgement cannot be trusted for the judgement of a deluded man living the mindset of a demon(ie. no nirboah or nirvair) is not reliable and not accepted in His court. The psychology of Kalyug as confirmed in Gurbani is demonic hence we are in the age of hell on earth. Until we physically begin to live in truth instead we cannot possibly move forward and face our karams head on with a balanced mindset as our Gurus did- instead we get angry when he feeds us dukh through others, we forget that it is Him Himsel feeding us the dukhi. Even Guru Gobind Singh Ji said that God himself sent the Moghuls as the messengers of death in the Kalyug, they were simply karam. We can take a stand against beadbi, I never spoke against that- however if we are to act properly and fairly it is imperative that we live in nirboah and nirvair throughout this situation, or else we are simply demons acting in delusion without recognising the truth that these people are god himself. Sajjan thug was not murdered by Guru Ji when he made an attempt on his life, instead he was reformed. This is living Nirboah and nirvair- recognising divinity within one and speaking Sat to remind that being of their true nature. Guru Gobind Singh Ji asked his sikhs to kill their enemies quickly to avoid excessive pain- regardless of their horrific misdeeds against his sikhs and their families, i.e murder of their families, rape of their women and murder of their children. His army fed water to the image of the enemy. This was true love, regardless of the image of the enemies in the khel and no matter how much pain god fed through the ignorant ones, he still recognised and accepted them as god. Our gurus spoke truth to the good and bad alike, they recognised that the goodness and badness is illusion, that there is no such thing as good and bad, they recognised Him everywhere in everything and saw enemies and friends as alike. This is truly beautiful, this is why the gurus were so incredibly amazing. In sikhi we never move forward without living nirboah and nirvair, we never make Gurmat decisions without living nirboah and nirvair it is not only relavant, it is crucial to this path,it is god himself and living his virtues brings us closer to his truth. I am no member of a sect or cult, all I spoke of was the first line of gurbani which is relevant every second to everyone every where and to every situation. If you think it is not relevant to this situation, then so be it, but Nirvair and Nirboah is God himself, it is truth, and as Truth is omnipresent I'm not sure how it could not be relevant. In fact, you can scrap this whole post and just read these words if you want, this is what I've been trying to say: "Nirboah and Nirvair"

And I will repeat this my friend, when one disregards the very first line of gurbani as simple romanticism, I will not continue to listen to that being, to me, your first line in your last reply was beadbi. Also I was not angry, just slightly confused as to how a student of truth is able to shun the very first line of his Gurus teachings as romanticism. All I spoke of was Niroboah and nirvair, of the first line of gurbani, nothing more, nothing less. If you don't like to read my posts then do not read them, it is that simple, i'm not putting forward my own knowledge in any way, it's all there in gurbani.. In no way did I tell anyone to get up and clap on stages etc, however I did state that a sikh does not follow guidelines blindly, I said when respect is due it is given, I.e taking shoes off as a mark of respect etc, I wasn't aware that you would not understand my answer on this issue from the post you replied to. As I understand you feel I went off on a tangent, let me update my last two replies, if you have a problem with it, there is really no more can say because they are not my words: 'Nirboah and Nirvair.' The two most powerful most truthful principles in existence, that apply to all situations and people- applying it, one begins to truly understand true, fearless love, and the true nature of creation and not live in ignorance.. Nirboah and Nirvair is Sat and Sat(Truth/God) is Nirboah and Nirvair....

I stopped reading your post after the first line because of the negativity and ignorance of the First line of Gurbani it exuded. However if you wish to describe Nirboah and nirvair and hukam romanticist I suggest you read mool mantar again... Any sikh who doesn't read it and take it into a account cannot possibly be called a student of truth. Everything I said is what I felt needed to be said, I cannot bite my lip when false, manmade ideologies are being put forward. The reality is Nothingness, everything Is hukam and karam. We do not follow rules for the sake of following them, rather we understand the meaning of guidelines, and show respect when it is due whether it's taking shoes off to honour the great master or cleaning shoes outside the gurdwarra However in His court, a striving for 24/7 service is the only True respect, this is what a True sikh strives for, whether we are in dreams or awake, you can call this goal whatever you want, however we do not become khalsa without 24/7 service ie. remebrance. "Day and night, he worships the Living Light. He does not entertain any thought of duality. Perfect Love and perfect conviction adorn his personality. How can he follow fasting (rituals) or, even by accident, pray to an idol or a grave? His pilgrimage will be Daan (giving), mercy, self-discipline of tolerance, and self-control. He sees only the One, One God everywhere. Only when the Perfect Light fully illuminates his heart, can you call him khalsa. Otherwise, he is not Khalsa." (DG, p.712) If you cannot accept this fact, that is fine, but I will not write something unTrue to please a single person who is comfortable living in part time service and not recognising that 24 hr service is the aim of life.

lol damn right, who and what isn't!

It may happen with other desis but there is definitely still a hugely cultural mindset within the majority of the 'sikh' community. When we become sikh, culture should go out the window- why put your false culture(illusion) over your status as a sikh(real sikhs have no identity, they see all truth seekers as of the same- no identity). Many sikhs are reluctant to allow their children to marry white, black or chinese sikhs, but this is the very thing Guru Nanak Dev Ji strived to abolish. Do we think our gurus would have denied one of their childrens marriage to a sikh who was born into a different culture? The answer is no, of course not, to think that would be absurd. But not to worry, there are sikhs out there who see all truth seekers as brothers and sisters. In fact they see the universe as a family, and speak the truth to the sinners and the saints, the good and the bad, the black mc, the chinese takeaway man and the big tough russian- they'll even speak truth to the angel, the deluded demon, the alien and the ghost, the hindu demi god, because we are all Him, we are all totally equal in His eyes, we are just playing out the karma he has written for us- all is simply karma in this khel. We can't do anything on our own, he drives us every moment- we are all One, made of the same stuff(nothing, no image), we just haven't realised it yet.

who cares about right and left, that is ritual. Every part of SGGSJ is perfect and pure and can only be beneficial to read and apply to our lives.

That is beautiful, thanks.

"Everything in life is a risk" Everything in life is hukam i.e God's will. If you are to get married, you will, if it is written that you will be killed tomorrow, then that will happen. Gurbani says death can come knocking at any moment so be ready for it. We all procrastinate with attachment to worldly affairs, but gurbani needs to be applied 24/7. Gurbani is simple, God has no image, no form, he is nirboah and nirvair, he discovered truth after many ages of discovery, now he is truth 24/7. We just need to discover what he did and merge with him, taht we are truly nothing and that all within the 6 senses are false.

Slavery to god is 24/7, not stepping in a Gurdwarra and acting one way and indulging in maya once we step outside. Yes sargun and nirgun are one and the same, however god has many faces through the khel, One who is everything, the slanderer, the saint, the gurmukh, the manmukh, the reality is that we are all just an amalgamtion of each other, pleasure and pain, light and dark, heaven and hell- we are the balance/nothing/truth/god himself. We are all god(Nothing, no image, no nothing, but the greatest nasha and treasure), we just don't acknowledge it 24/7 and we do not apply this truth to our lives. Taking shoes off, covering the head for a gurmukh is not a ritual act, as Truth is not confined to rituals..when a gurmukh steps into the gurwarra nobody need lay down any rules saying don't wear shoes. Everybody likes to quote the story of Satguru Nanak Ji's visit to mecca and how when his feet turned, so did the kaaba, but nobody likes to take the gyan of this story and apply it. If a gurmukh takes shoes off as a sign of love respect, because of a feeling that god is telling them they should(all hukam) then they will do so- they will understand the meaning behind the act, remembering every moment that their beautiful lord is all pervading even in the greatest sinner, the peadophile, the rapist, the serial killer, the toilet, the temple, this is the message that Babaji in form wished to portray. Nothing in this khel is real, that is what we're here to discover, this is the only treasure- the gurdwarra is a false place in the khel. But it's imagery is there as a place(false) for the sinners(us) to relax and apply the truth, (so it is respected) and discover that it along with everything else is nothing. Once we understand this, we begin to live in hukam 24/7- going to the gurdwarra is simply hukam, all his own will, if we encounter a sick person on the way and need to take them to a and e, its also hukam, we live in truth on the way and in the hospital, (truth never changes, our state remains balanced) and if we're killed inside, thats also hukam(we live truth then also)- it is all a learning experience and a test of fearlessness and true love and acceptance, life is one great game we have been put in to discover truth and to live it in every single scenario we're placed in(the unbreakable state of truth, the real chardi kala), to recognise every darshan we're given as him whether its an angel or a demon- that is the sole reason we are here. Our gurus clearly stated that heaven and hell, pleasure and pain is exactly one and the same to the gurmukh- hence the state of mind of the gurus did not change in their experience of either one. Pain is seen as a great blessing to the gurmukh- All here is temporary and the greater the pain, the greater the detachment from the false. A thathi tavi was embraced by our beloved Guru ji, it was not just accepted, it was embraced. He is all pervading, he is the gurdwarra he is the thathi tavi, he is the torturer, the cross, he is Guru Nanak Dev Ji, he is satan. When one understands this and applies this gyan to their lives and quits the attachment to the false rituals and arguments(ego/ all sense of I, mine, and self is totally false), one is able to move forward with bhagti, regardless of their surroundings, or what happens to them(all hukam/his will)- there is nothing to hold them back physically or mentally- they will see themselves in everyone and everything and realise that they actually Are the entire creation and all else, they are no different to anyone else- That their sole purpose is to live(apply) this truth themselves 24/7 and to serve it to others. This is when the khalsa will rise, when nirvair and nirboah is truly applied.

I'm not arguing about shoes etc, but we'd all do well to remember that God is all pervading in Nirgun Saroop(Nothing/ No image) so to never do anything bad/ think bad thoughts(silence the mind with naam ie. attuning oneself to his frequency of Truth). This is the true, most beautiful slavery- living free from maya and being nothing but a slave at his feet 24/7(by His Grace) regardless of the different images he takes on around us(all images being false as it is just all him in nirgun saroop). God says his slaves are pure and remember him always- we should all make efforts to live up to this including eradication of the mind, and let the Actual Khalsa(the 100% pure ones with a silenced mind, living in truth 24/7) add a few more members to it.

'The ones who have Lord's Name within their mind. They alone are blessed; O Nanak, they are the perfect saints' (Guru Granth Sahib Ji, 319). No point in doing anything without naam- She may as well be an axe murderer if she's forgetting god- Abstaining from whatever is no use if you've still got the mindset of a demon(Ego- thinking its you doing everything, not Him).

Please excuse me for any offence caused, the word was not used in the literal sense, just an expression of emotion. But language is limited, it can never portray the power of Sat- of Gods indestructibility- words mean nothing, they are a prisoner of maya, of image(all illusion), just like our consciousness, it is the imageless emotion behind the words that matter. It is feeling and emotion only that matters- I hoped the love I hold for Him would seep through to the reader, not the maya image of the word.

Well obviouslyy! . The greatest and most beautiful Truth Guru of all Time to be exact.

Who cares if self proclaimed sikhs want to marry whites, blacks, chinese or red indian, we're all equal in the eyes of god, coz we're all god. Like I've said in other posts, most of the girls you call sikhs are not even Sikh(Students), and are not on the path, they may drink, take drugs, indulge in lustful actvities etc. You cannot call a bunch of punjabis sikh just because their ancestors were students of Truth, or becuase they were born in a certain region- there is culture and there is the path of divinity, there is only 1 path- not a path in which the focus is deviated the majority of the time by giving in to the seduction of maya. So many people on here are so caught up in culture that they fail to see that a bunch of Punjabi people with brown skin who may attend the gurdwarra a few times here and there are not True seekers/ students. A true sikh will make the right decisions according to hukam, whether they choose to marry a typical punjabi guy, a chinese sushi chef or a white tramp living on the street. They would see you as a a true sikh, so why all the negativity, ideas of control and irritations? A false sikh will probably make the wrong decision based on their own ego and ideas, as a bhagat(devotee) you can educate them of the true path and in practicing they will gain the humbless to recognise you as a bhagat/true sikh, instead of just seeing your image. Why not live and let the true sikhs live, let the bhagats make their own decisions, focus on your own path to Nothingness. Its not you driving them, its god, do ardas and trust him. If a sikh flows with His hukam to marry another true student of Truth then so be it, if they decide to marry a previous athiest interested in sikhi then so be it, if the hukam is to marry a total <banned word filter activated>, then so be it. Human attachment is false anyway, we all walk this path alone in total unattachment, we are only attached to Truth which the bhagats and sants live, but even that association need not be physical, it is spiritual in all aspects- for the bhagat does not live in the maya energy. If we marry a great slanderer, what a great blessing for the best slanderers are the ones in our own homes, they lead us to detach from the foolishness into our masters arms, to bring total dependency upon Him, upon applying Truth to our lives and living in it. Running away from the company of bad people day and night is not physical for we are surrounded by scum(it is Kalyug, the age of hell on earth)- if it meant physically the tuk wouldn't say run 'day and night'- it means 24/7 detachment- practicing Truth/detachment every single second of the day. It is detaching from them and rising above, raising our energy to be attuned to Truth, that is true detachment. The energies which we react with are up to us, they all come from within- we can remain detached or lower ourselves back into the scum- it is all dependant on our own psychological state of being. Do we judge and react in anger and irritation towards another(maya/5 thieves) or do we see that God himself is that person testing and teaching us and rise above the illusion. Spread the education to all, you can preach a maya principle(that girls are not attracted to singhs) or you can teach the truth so that the people will become Sikhers and you will be recognised beyond your image.

There is no dharam: "No Hindu No muslim"- Baba Nanak. Only Truth which is Nothing which is the only treasure which is everything and anything which is God. It's so simple, yet we wage wars in our refusal and lack of humbleness to accept it. Take away all the worldly bullsh*t, image including religion and what do we get- Nothing. Thats him, most humble(To be nothing), all loving and fearless. He continuously feeds us pleasure and pain even if we end up hating him(Hes fearless- doesn't care, its for our own benefit in the end), so we accept this simple fact- all out out of love. Wipe away what society has told you, there is only 1 path because theres only 1 Truth- it cant be changed or made up, it remains the same and infinite throughout eternity. You cant f*ck with Truth and change it to your own liking, its too simple, humble and pure to care or change.

The fact that the bullsh*t of this khel is overcome by the one simple fact and gyan that actually Nothing exists is so indescribably Beautiful. We are all One in the nothingness and Nothing is the only treasure when the deluded folks think only Something can be a treasure- this is the only Truth in the entire universe. So simple, yet most Powerful and all pervading- pain and pleasure are just broken pieces of Truth/Balance- they hold no value alone, attached to pain or pleasure is just ignoring God in the other- Amazing. My Prayer to the Only One who is everyone and everything that Is, was and will ever be: Please let me never let this Truth go, whether I am slandered to the ground, praised by the majority of the universe, crowned as a ruler or tortured and killed by you yourself in the disguise of another my most Beautiful All Loving Lord- please free this soul from the illusion of pleasure and pain, of darkness and light, of heaven and hell, of the falseness that is every single Image and associated with the 6 senses- and let us(You and I together God) embrace All as One and One as All- let us bow in our heart to every darshan you give us, whether its a murderer, our slanderer or a Saint- For all is you, for you are Truth and Truth is All.

Of course God will listen to our ardases- He sees all and knows all. If we truly believe hes listening, then he is, if we have any doubts at all, that is not true fearless love- when there's fear/doubt, the love is not True. The Tati Thavi was embraced because the Guru had no doubts, the love was pure and true- and the recognition that He is everything, everywhere- that he was both the thavi and the torturer, that the khel was in play and everything was Perfect/Hukam/Nirvair- was there. True love can only be fearless, Nirboah and Nirvair, just like him as described in Mool Mantar.

No not all guys just want one thing. Humans all want love, but we look for it in the wrong places, in an image. Image is illusion, take that away and thats where we actually find love, in Nothing, which is Truth, which is Him. It is so simple, yet we lack the humbleness to accept this simple fact and cause drama and indulge in the thieves instead. To the poster, your answer is Simple, the gurmukh doesnt rise to slander or praise, they are one and the same to the gurmukh. We have no image, that is the truth- We are Nothing just like god, we just haven't realised it yet. So what is there to be proud about, what praise is there really to listen to? Who cares what your false body looks like to others, a true gurmukh would see you for what you really are, Nothing with no image.

You are on the right path, that is absolutely spot on- and is very very deep. Keep doing naam simran on Truth(Satnam) and the gyan will unfold before your eyes- you will experience this gyan all around you. Gurbani says God sat for millions of years/many ages discovering Truth. He lives in Truth 24/7, he has Become truth, so Truth became his Naam. The reality is that there is no image, the form of Truth is Nothing. It is the balance- between light and dark Imagine an invisible heart(sumbolic of God, the truth) which is cut in two. Both halves become visible. One half is black, and the other is white(symbolic of positive and negative/ pleasure and pain/ good and evil). The halves separate do not allow the heart to beat, they are worthless and may as well be thrown in the bin. However when put together again the heart beats and there is life. Although the truth cannot be decribed, this analogy is slightly symbolic of the value of truth(weak I know as the truth is infinite)- there is no good or bad, positive or negative, attached to one, we deny the other- hence we deny that half of ourself i.e one half of God himself- hence we live in ignorance, not Truth. When we live in truth/balance/naam(simran), we are embracing the whole, we are embracing All of God, All of ourselves, always, not just ignoring one part of god. Hence the Gurmukh sees plesure and pain as one, as God/Truth is everything, and is also nothing as the Truth is that there is Nothing(the primal void in gurbani from which everything and everyone(all image) was created)