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  1. So what’s the solution?  Something that very few people on this forum are brave enough to whisper!

    Keep living your lives as slaves and make sure you never talk about what has been happening to Guru Nanaks Sikhi from the very beginning to this day. 

    Time to pick your side!

  2. 1 hour ago, Big_Tera said:

    Would you call attacks carried out by pakistan based groups as ' Muslim terrorists'

    Or call attacks by Burmese army as 'Buddhist Terrorists'

    So why Call them Hindu. Sureley terrorists have no name or faith. Maybe you should educate yourself. 

    People like this girl should be named and shamed. Especially if the have Kaur or Singh in their name. Stop defending these people. Looks like you have sympathy for them. 

     

    Simple answer ‘YES’ 

    If the act of terror is committed to suppress a community based on the religious lines and to further ones own religious agenda, then ‘yes’ I would attach their religious identity to ‘terrorist’.  

    So ‘Hindu Terrorist’ is the only term that should be used to describe the RSS/BJP Hindu fascists that are pushing for a Hindutva state where minorities are killed and oppressed in the persuit of a Hindu Nationalist State.

    Stop bashing minorities and and defending Hindus.  Looks like you have sympathy for them!

     

  3. On 8/21/2019 at 2:31 PM, Big_Tera said:

    In the article its says they all commited numerous other offences. Alos keeping someone hostage is not a big thing to you? Who know what is she has done apart from this. Seems like an unsavory character. 

    In the last 2 weeks we have seen Hindu Terrorists put boots on the ground in Kashmir and reduce those inhabitants to living their lives within an open prison, looking at the end of barrel.  We have seen the same Facist Regime destroy a 600 year old Bhagat Ravidas Mandir and lastly witnessed the deliberate flooding of Punjab via the Bhakra Dam, to punish the the only state that stood up to the oppression the Indian government has committed.  I haven’t seen you start a thread about these issues which are real ones that affect the lives of Sikhs in Punjab.  To me the crime that girl has committed is hardly worth mention especially on a Sikh forum!

  4. I have been reading some the posts over the last week and all I have seen is the constant squabbling and negative judgemental attitude towards each other.  

    Whether we like like it or not we are a community made up of people from all walks of lives.  Our temperaments are different, some hot and some cold.  Some of us want to do things for now and some for longer term goals.  Some want to take a militant approach and some diplomatic.  This is not unique to us this has been the case for all communities trying achieve goals in a struggle.  Malcom X’s ideology was different from Martin Luther Kings but ultimately the goal was the same.  Bhagat Singhs ideology was different from the All India Congress but the goal was ultimately the same.  Nelson Mandela was hot blooded when he was young but later switched to more diplomatic solutions for South Africa.  The same can be observed from figures throughout all of history and never has everyone collectively agreed upon one single method of achieving community goals.  

    Just pick the organisations, groups and temperaments that you feel you can gel with and quit the bashing of each other.  I’m sure by doing we would be more united, be more powerful and achieve so much more than ultimately searching for the one miracle pill to solve our issues. 

  5. 2 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

    Hardly the crime of the century!  Definitely not worth starting a debate over.  Considering we have professionals, labourers, business people and all types of people representing our community,  it’s hardly shocking that we are going have a few criminals amongst us.  What’s the big deal?

  6. 1 hour ago, GuestSingh said:

    look my post was based on history. real life events, geopolitics n cold-truths. u can c the aforementioned oppression online for urself.

    n my support is for gd sikhs bk home in panjab. so neither side here have my support given their history aganst sikhs. both have been n still r against sikhs. so whose side r u on? wats ur reason for pickin hindus over muslims?

    as a hindu bahman, we expect u to favour these ppl. maybe even try to defend em, play dwn their atrocities n deflect any negative attention away from it. tht explains y ur post sounds exactly like wat a pro hindu nationalist wud say commenting on something like khalistan. uve either learnt well or ur one of em urself?

    we knw wat happens to minorities on muslim land. its the same as minorities livin on hindu land. violence, oppression n murder in different ways. 

    seein as both countries like to either rip their land apart or join it together by force, the earlier post tht suggested j&k be partitioned wiv each country claiming their majority populations region sounds like the solution.

    'india' hasnt got much face to save anyway given their past. if the hindu elite couldnt defend themselves then they begged to their masters for benefits/jobs. like a little puppy on a leash for a treat. embarrassing.

    This forum and countless forums are littered with Hindu RSS Agents.  They are infiltrating multiple Sikh platforms whether they be online or in the physical world.  Call them out challenge their lies with factual information.  If you encounter one in the real world, give them ‘Chittar Parade’ that will make their future generations chant ‘Khalistan Zindabad’ into the 22nd century.

  7. On 8/5/2019 at 9:08 PM, JSinghnz said:

    Great step taken by Modi to finally resolve the Kashmir issue by scrapping Article 370. Hope this brings peace to this area and ends the killing of so many innocent lives. Pakistan has to behave now and stop interfering and stop providing moral and military support to the terrorists.

    Great step taken by Gurpatwant Singh Pannu to finally revive the Khalistan Independence issue by pushing forward the Punjab Referendum 2020 campaign. Hope this brings peace to this area and ends the killing of so many innocent Sikhs lives. India has to behave now and stop interfering and stop providing moral and military support to the Hindu terrorists.

  8. 23 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

    For those short-sighted people  here

    1. Kashmir jammu and ladakh  are all parts of the greater sikh lands so India haveno rights to claim them as an integral part of Hindia.

    2. This bill was revoked without a vote which is illegal under the constitution

    3. Centre will have direct control over the state , remember this is how they destroyed local poltical powerand voices

    4. This also affects sikhs of those regions as we have already seen by the killing , rapes and illegal evictions by kashmiri pandits with army\police help

    5. This is just a measure to set up the bloodbath and denial of citizenship of ordinary lawabiding muslims and sikhs

    6.this sets an evil precedent which means we will see fascists throwing down all sorts of evil  laws at minorities to steal their livlihoods, homes and lands . They are already preparing to oust all sikhs from power positions in guruwara committee in India and abroad .

    Fantastic post!  The kind of thoughts that should automatically enter every Sikhs mind unless of course they have been infected by ‘Brahminsm’ (ie Mad Cow Disease)!

  9. 20 hours ago, KhalistanYouth said:

    Somebody should wipe out Shiv sena firstly, secondly does this  referendum have any actual politicans or lawyers?

    Or is it just a group of nostalgic sikhs and monas who have absolute 0 idea on how to govern a independent state/country.

    Tell me about the economy, the money, the military, etc

    At this point  just go somewhere in Africa and basically make a Sikh Rhodesia.

    1. The Referendum has been organised by ‘Sikhs For Justice’ who are a Human Rights Organisation made up of ‘Lawyers’ based in America.  The group is led by Gurpatwant Singh Pannu who ‘Yes’ is a Lawyer, so that answers your question.

    2.  Politicians can only be selected once the ‘Independent Sikh Homeland’ comes into existence and the formation of any Government are questions that should be answered once this becomes a reality.  Remember India prior to Independence never had any Political Candidates, Structure or Experience of running a country, so this question should not arise with Referendum 2020.

    3.  Questions regarding Economy, Military, Defence etc.  Once again when India came into existence what was the projected GDP?  No one asked or answered this question and if you are asking this then clearly the only problems you see are Economic in Punjab.  The creation of a Sikh Homeland is to primarily preserve and protect our Faith from being assimilated into Hinduism, protect our people from future Genocide and most importantly stop the bedbi of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj.  All of which we have seen systematically since the creation of India.  

    The economy of Punjab is all ready broken and the future under Indian control will push the Punjab further into drought, famine, drug dependency and terminal illnesses.  Defence budgets and military lstructure will be for the Government to decide and the purpose of the Military will be to protect the borders, not suppress and murder its own citizens as the Indian state has done to Sikhs in India.  These questions should not exist in any Sikhs mind.

    Lastly ‘Shiv Sena’ is protected and funded by the Indian State so to eradicate this disease is not a possibility for the people of Punjab whilst they remain under Indian occupation.  Once we are Independent only then we can met out the correct punishment on a level playing field. 

    I am not affiliated to ‘Sikhs For Justice’ or ‘Referendum 2020’ but I support any group or movement who works for the betterment of our Panth.  I urge everyone to support this movement and think of the consequences of another 70 years of Hindu rule in Punjab.  Wake up and smell the coffee!

     

     

  10. 7 hours ago, kcmidlands said:

    Exactly, I don't care what he does with his money in his own time but if he wants to do good for Sikhi then any money that goes in the pot has to be scrutinized.

     

    Harry Baweja had a dream from his early days in film making that he wished to make a movie to tell the story of Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s ‘Chaar Sahibzade’ to the audience in India and the wider diaspora.  He took his project to many Producers but was knocked back by all them and was discouraged from making the movie which they said was too risky to finance.  After numerous setbacks Harry Baweja took the project to ‘Ponty Chada’ a well known smuggler in Punjab.  Ponty Chada agreed to finance the Movie without hesitation as he felt this would be a great Seva to his Faith and single handily put up the cash.

     

    I have given this example to show that good things can be achieved when we put our prejudices aside work together as a community for the betterment of our Panth.  

     

     

  11. 5 hours ago, kcmidlands said:

    I think if you're going to use your wealth to support a religious purpose then you need to show where the money's coming from, the amount of time I've seen people launder money through Gurdware is ridiculous.

     

    There’s a place for people from all walks of life in our Panth.  Remember Baba Bidi Chand?  Guru Sahib never turned him away.  I’m not condoning money earned from dishonest means but if anybody wishes to share their wealth for the betterment of Sikhi then I have no problem with that.  To flip it if one earns his wealth from honest means but uses it in ways which damage the Panth is that person better than someone doing the opposite by using wealth for good causes?  Also you cannot audit the Golak as it’s open for everyone.  I understand what you are saying but I don’t think a good cause should be shot down.  Money laundering through a Gurdwara is a strict no but I think this is a charitable donation not money laundering.

  12. 3 hours ago, kcmidlands said:

    I used to go to the same secondary school as him (he was the year ahead of me), his younger sister was in my class. His parent's ran a chip shop by the school, they were a normal family, he disappeared for a while and then came back a multi-millionaire, to this day i find it amazing that he never talks about his younger years in all his interviews or how he made his money, i could tell some stories but i'm not like that, I've got nothing personal against the guy but to say that all the stuff he does is above board would be a little rich.

    I don’t think his wealth or how he acquired it should be under scrutiny.  The fact is he obviously has Sharda as he is willing to financially support causes for Sikhi.  He is the same guy who made the City Gurdwara project possible by financially supporting the Gurdwara Committee.  I also like the fact he supports a Dastar proudly and has a long flowing beard and hasn’t let that hold him back in success.  

  13. On 5/14/2019 at 8:19 AM, mahandulai said:

    Just art in general, museums, paintings, movies, interesting photos .... is it considered maya or does it have a place in Sikhi ...?

    If viewed in moderation I can’t see a problem with Art.  We are not meant to hide away close our eyes and withdraw from the world like Yogis or Monks.  Art is a brilliant medium for communicating with people who are more visually inclined.  Children learn from visuals far easier than written words.  Art has an important role in Sikhi just as long as we do not start to worship or misuse it.  Maya can be suppressed but not completely taken away and as long as you use Maya for the betterment of oneself and others around us then there isn’t really a major issue.

  14. 6 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

    She's a nice person so far, since more than a month in marriage.

    And she makes nice food too , but I find it bizzaring how she wants to feed me all the time , not during usual breakfast, lunch and dinner , but inbetween lets say we having panjeeri with milk and if she feels i am not partaking of it, she assertively tried to feed me , as if i am a child. She fills the spoon and brings it near my mouth and says "chalo now eat it. " Even if I repeatedly say I don't want to , she gets upset and keeps insisting. Then she does more cleverness. If we agree I will have only one spoon of it , she gives me one spoonfull and soon enough brings another spoonful.

    Is this seemingly sweet act an insidious passive-agrressive way to take over

    I think she wants to fatten you up in time for the Vaisakhi Mela!  

  15. 13 hours ago, puzzled said:

    I agree, don't know how but the governments seem to benefit from these social divisions. Even in the west you can see these divisions. Notice how the inner cities are super rich and expensive while the outer sides of cities are normally middle class people and rundown, London is a perfect example. I live in a very middle class run down town just outside greater london and the pavements are worn out and cracked and have been like this for over a decade, but you won't see pavements and roads looking like that in the rich inner parts of london.

    But i think this whole caste issue is very deep routed. Its part of the culture. People of higher castes genuinely think they are higher and have a superiority complex, its not just the culture but their mindset too.  It will take a long time imo     nothing to do with khalistan but just a observation i made while in Punjab 

    You’re right the Government does benefit from social divisions!  Direct result is vote bank politics which keeps various political parties and representatives in power.  Unfortunately our very own Sikh Political Party (Badal Akali Dal) on the other side in Punjab completely ignores the sentiments of Sikhs and succumbes to the majority Hindu voice of the Center Government.  This is why I always say our future within the union of India is difficult because the majority will always enforce its agenda upon us.  

    Like you said Khalistan is not the miracle pill to eradicate cast divisions, alcohol culture, female infantacide, poverty, negative people mindset etc.  Law and Enforcement is the miracle pill but this has to be inspired by our own Faith and Beliefs.  If the will of the Government is genuine and uunishment for breaking the Law is severe a lot the negatives in Punjab can be solved.  

    I don’t see how this can happen in India because in order for this to happen the Centre Government will have to give Sikhs self autonomy within India to almost Federal State privileges but this will weaken the Center Governments hold on Punjab and the rest of India as others will wish to follow.  We have already seen this with the ‘Anandpur Resolution’ as this was the closest model to Federal State proposal for Punjab and we saw how that played out.  India is its own enemy and it really needs to look at the United States model for inspiration if it wishes to progress into a first world but in the meantime Sikhs will also be dragged down because of India’s stupidity regarding its own citizens.

  16. 18 minutes ago, puzzled said:

    I don't know. I'm neither for or against khalistan. 

    Would sikhs stop discriminating against sikhs of lower castes and social status?

    If khalistan was made and all the sikligar and dalits sikhs decided to move to khalistan how would they be treated by the Punjabi sikhs? 

    Good question!  I know this for certain that cast discrimination could be eradicated from India within a very short space of time if the Government wishes to do so.  As you are aware Cast is a big thing within the Hindu belief system.  The Brahmins control the top Governmental and non Governmental positions in India and therefore they have no wish to put a stop to this, as this is the very system that ensures them power.  

    The only way to stop this is by editing the Constitution that divides the groups by Cast and criminising the practice of this system.  Then a new means based social welfare system needs to be introduced which is available for all.

    This can never happen in India but as Sikhs we would have our own Constitution and Laws which are in line with Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji’s message.  If this is bound by Law and the Law enforcers act upon it, I do feel Cast discrimination would disappear over time in Khalistan.  As for the Dalits and Sikhlihar Sikhs they would be welcomed by the Punjabi Sikhs.  Remember we are not part of the Hindu Cast system but unfortunately it is thrown upon and we are lumped in this system within the Indian Constitution.  Most of our internal problems are inherited from Indian culture not because of our own belief system.

    The reason why the Indian Government denies us self autonomy is simply because they know we have better belief system than them and we would excel at all levels of self governance.  

  17. 11 hours ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

    as you said with majority hindu population and a "secular democracy" , it would take only a couple of decades for it to turn into a "hindu country" . 

    The culture of a nation lies in its history , but even more so in its present !! And that means what majority follows , thats how you define culture. 

    Rather than daydreaming khalistan , sikhs need to salvage whatever is left of punjab before hindu migrants/christian missionaries/growing muslim demographics make us even more irrelevant !

    More scare-mongering!  The Mughals couldn’t wipe out the Sikhs even when the numbers were reduced to so few and you think Hindus could make Sikhs irrelevant.  You have obviously bought into the India hype.  If your genuine I truly feel for you guys as it must be really difficult to live with the burden of constant fear and cowardice on your shoulders.  I mean seriously if all Sikhs had your mindset then you certainly are doomed.  You are the complete opposite to a Chardi-Kala mindset.

  18. 32 minutes ago, Punjabiwolves said:

    The Indian government will not just hand over Punjab even with the referendum. The alternative is to go to war with them? Going to war with a nation that invests heavily in armed weapons is not a good idea not to mention it's a nuclear-armed nation. Many innocent lives will be lost. 

    If Khalistan does happen The RSS , BJP, Hindu extremists, Congress govt will make sure Sikhs that live in New Dehli, Mumbai etc are killed etc it could like like 1947, 1984 all over again.  The Khalistan supports in the west will be ok. it will be the Sikhs in India  that will have their lives on the line. 

    what are the boundaries of Khalistan? If only Punjab can it survive on an agricultural economy.  

    The route to place Punjab back on track is to expose the state government for its corruption, negligence to its people etc then move on to the Indian government and expose them. The other States were also joining before it becomes a national movement. An uprising against the Indian government. 

    We don't need to be against India just the Indian government. Khalsa Raj just not mean Khalistan.it could be much bigger than that. Khalsa raj could be all over India. Khalsa raj could bring equal rights, prosperity, elimination of poverty, for the people of India. 

    So you feel Sikhs should just remain silent like tenants as the landlord could get angry and punish them.  What kind of existence is this?  Sounds similar to how the Hindus used to live at the time of the Mughals or how the Maharajas used to conform when the British were there.

    We should expose the Indian Government to whom?  The same people that colluded in the distruction of the Akal Takht and genocide of Sikhs in Delhi and neighbouring states.  Where were those people you want uprise against the state when Sikhs were being singled out and butchered.

    Why does the Punjab only survive on a Agricultural economy?  Possibly because the Central Government denies investment into alternative industries in Punjab.  Do you really think that diaspora Sikhs are not capable of establishing other Industries in Punjab when they brought so much prosperity and development with their skills in their adopted countries.

    You make Khalistan sound like it’s all doom and gloom but you fail to see that Punjab benefits zero from being a part of India.  The only way to expose India is by gaining independence and showing the people of India how a neighbouring Sikh State operates with the success and equal opportunities for its citizens.

    All this scare mongering about Khalistan is becoming boring.  People are far too clued up to buy into the bs.

  19. 10 minutes ago, Punjabiwolves said:

    I do know religious Sikhs that don't support Khalistan. does not make them less of a Sikh.  I could be wrong in supporting a united India or I could be right  But it does mean I am a bad person,  a sellout, a member of RSS or whatnot. I remember speaking to you on this subject in another thread a while back then I justified myself for my reasons. bottom line is your not going to agree with me and I am not going to agree with you. 

    Would you care to elaborate?  

    Why do you not support Khalistan and try leaving the other wild conspiracy theories regarding Pakistan/ISI asside.  Also why do the other religious Sikh and his mate you mentioned not support Khalistan.  Do you and your fellow Religious Sikhs walk out during Ardas when Khalsa Raj is mentioned.  

    Why would you not support such a massive change that Punjab and Sikhs are craving for or do you want the people of Punjab to continue suffering from religious persecution, economic persecution, further depletion of the water table, drug abuse, unemployment, cancer from uranium in water etc etc the list goes on.

    Explain how you fix this in a Punjab that has hostile State government who is hell bent on destroying the land and it’s people.

    Now tell me why sovereignty and Sikh aspirations are so bad for the people of Punjab?

  20. 4 minutes ago, Punjabiwolves said:

    LOOL why the hostility ? its just a question about our history and what could have happened etc? why do I need to collect intel? let me guess I am a raw agent. hahaha. love the wild conspiracy theories.  

     

    As for India, I would fully support the welfare of India and all its citizens. I do not have support for The Indian govt or Modi. If i could i would happily install toilets for the poor in India and for that matter any country. 

    In my experience the only people who are against Khalistan are the ones who are ultra hippy Sikh types, are alligned politically to the Congress or Badal Akali Dal,  secular cultural almost atheist type Sikhs, ultra nationalist Hindus or families who have a bad taste in the mouth from Kharku justice and of course RSS/BJP/RAW agents.  What’s your story?

     

  21. 8 minutes ago, Punjabiwolves said:

    I do not support Khalistan but if  I had been presented the above I would accept Khalistan.  1947 was the best chance for Khalistan to come to a reality. I still feel within India, Punjab can be great again. just need to right people to come into power at the state level to get things started. 

    If you do not support Khalistan then why are you wasting your time asking people about how a state which do not support would play out.  Collecting intell maybe?

    You should be working in the field and making your Bharat Mata great just like the glossy travel ads.  I think your job should be installing toilets in every village in India just like how Mr ‘I’m ard Modi’ promised. 

     

  22. I’ve never really met anyone who has enquired about Sikhi and been put off by it.  They generally agree with our teachings as being beneficial for all of society.  

    The bit that most people struggle with is taking the time out to study Sikhi to get a broad understanding of the faith.  Let’s be real you cannot sell Sikhi to someone in a 10 minute Parchar session like the Christian Preacher or Muslim Dawa man.  It’s not as simple as pray 5 times, accept Mohammed as the messenger and do Hajj and all sins are washed away with a one way ticket to Heaven.  The same goes as Christianity,  believe in Jesus as the son of God, visit Church on Sunday and you will not burn in hell.  It’s easy for lazy and dim people to flock to faiths that reward heaven in exchange for conversion.

    Sikhi on the other is nothing but the Truth and shows people a path that requires discipline in regards to what you eat, wear, think, do, meditate, selfless service, studying of Guru Granth Sahib Ji.  With all this you are still not guaranteed and easy way to Mukhti as you need to connect to Waheguru in order to cross the ocean.  This is way too much hard work for people wanting quick rewards just for subscribing to a new faith.  

    The Truth is what Sikhi is and the road to seeking Truth can be a long one and not many people are cut out to do the leg work.

    Maybe this is why we are in small numbers because we understand something that the others do not.  We are on our individual paths seeking the truth and there are no shortcuts and rewards to selling our faith to others.  

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