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1 hour ago, chatanga1 said:
It seems that some Sikhs are not reading up on their history. And that's a shame as this particular history is only around 80 years old.
In 1944, H S Mailk also produced a map of Panjab and outlined it as a Sikh country, to the British. Muslims were asking for Pakistan, so why couldn't the Sikhs have their own country as well. Seems a fair argument.
But the map Malik produced and presented to the British would have only showed a Sikh population of some 20%. The British asked him on what grounds would you claim this as a "Sikh" country? Both the other communities could outvote your community individually. Malik had no answer.
Lesson learnt?
Which HS Malik is this? Hardit Singh Malik..? The WW1 fighter pilot who became a Indian diplomat?
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The facts of the matter are, when the jatts were busy in the pubs and barbers, it fell upon non-jatts to fight every turban campaign in the UK.
This forum seldom likes facts but hey ho, there you go.
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14 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:
I have, plenty of times.
Yes of course. But I was quoting TigerForce. It's not my opinion
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6 hours ago, TigerForce1 said:It was and always has been those who are alpha that followed that line of work or gang culture. I have never seen anyone who wears skinny jeans and speaks the Queens English engage in that lifestyle. I have also never seen a Punjabi Shaheri Bhapa, Kenyan Tharkhan, Delhi and Bombay da Bhapa stand strong with any Morcha for Sikhi or Punjab. Note that I did not mention Punjabi Tharkhan Sikhs or Majbi Sikhs, because they have given there fair share of heads. It’s your struggles and the people you look up to that make you Alpha not the latter that follows ie mindless violence and the crime. Sometimes if channelled for the right reasons this can be a positive.
"I have also never seen a Punjabi Shaheri Bhapa, Kenyan Tharkhan, Delhi and Bombay da Bhapa stand strong with any Morcha for Sikhi or Punjab" - TigerForce1.
Who led the turban morcha in the UK which led to case law being redefined in the UK and stated that Sikhs are a separate ethnic group in the House of Lords? Outcome being that Sikh children were able to wear turbans in schools and the workplace. I give you a clue - it wasn't the "group" that form the numerical majority of the mona brigade aka so called alpha males.
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2 hours ago, TigerForce1 said:Maybe because Jats are the only remaining group who are still actively alpha amongst the Sikh community. We could also ask why are Jats the only group to aggressively take on Delhi in the protests. You can’t knock a group of people who still possess the hot blood needed to take risks.
According to you, therefore, the exponential knife crime in black kids in South London, Birmingham and Manchester is because they are alpha males?
I had no idea that drugs + mindless violence = the new definition of alpha male
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100% agree
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7 minutes ago, puzzled said:Whenever you mention the dreaded J word on this forum the thread just turns volatile.
Puzzled, please put the violin away, it doesn't suit you. Personally, mention the dreaded J word all you like - but as long as you mention the M word, the R word, the C word, the T word, the A word....you get the drift. For far too long, an inaccurate one-sided narrative has been propagated and its all BS. Primary sources must be consulted.
Meanwhile, lets not forget, why these Jaats ended up in an Indian State called Haryana in the first instance. Ever heard of the Punjabi Suba? In the swinging sixties. Anyway, what was the position of these Jaats on their mother tongue?
Let's all stop this myopia and engage in constructive, evidence-based debate, not "Jat this, Jat that" as if we're at a 1980's daytime bhangra gig in Hammersmith. This forum is better than that.
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34 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:Yet you neglected to mention misls that weren't led by jatts (Ahluwalia, Ramgarhia, some also say that the Shukerchakia chieftains were not jatt)
You also neglected to name the traitorous Phulkian "misl" that was led by jatts. They can now stake claim to multiple centuries worth of traitorous behavior. The least you could do is not forget them.
Thanks californiasardar1.
The problem is Puzzled, and maybe puzzled is more suited to you than you realise, but the problem is, you're pushing the same narrative that other lazy observers have pushed for the past few decades at the expense of truth.
Who was responsible for the diminished Rangrehtta Dal? I give you a clue...it's the same chaps that californiasardar1 mentioned in regards to Phulkian "misl".
One of these days Puzzled, you will pick up a history book and actually study who stood shoulder to shoulder with Guru Gobind Singh, who was given a kalgi at Chamkaur, which Dal went AWOL in the mid-eighteenth century despite commanding control posts at Peshawar and the kept the quarrelsome Pathans at bay?
For the vast majority of the time, the misls that you mention spent more time fighting each other and actually, the Bhangi's took Lahore strategically (nothing wrong with that by the way) and crucially not due to superior military prowess.
Who formed the majority of the Nishaanvali misl or Dallewalia misl not to mention formed a significant proportion of the Sukerchakia misl?
All I can say is, isn't it fascinating that those communities who have a 5 century history of sacrifice for Sikhi are now told to live in "chamaarlis", prevented from taking Amrit from the same thaal as jats but hey, lets preach to jaats from Haryana in the hope that Sajjan Kumar's clan, a chap who was responsible for a genocide in Delhi, embrace Sikhi.
Wonderful. Absolutely fabulous.
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23 hours ago, puzzled said:y 1760-ish most of Punjab was ruled under the Sikh misls who were mainly jatts. Bhangis(Dhillon), Kanheya(Sandhus), Singhia(Dhaliwals) etc .. They also held the Afghans at bay.
You forget to mention Bir Singh Ranghretta, who prior to the Misl period, ie Dal Khalsa, commanded one of 5 Dal's of the Dal Khalsa. What became of him? By the way, isn't it interesting that the original poster didn't suggest that we should appeal to so-called lower strata's of Hindu society to consider Sikhi as a path? What does that tell us?
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On 11/21/2020 at 11:35 AM, indersingh1313 said:do you think guru ji believed in caste system or support caste system?
Sikhi was the biggest rebellion against the caste system.
"Sikhs" from a certain caste are the biggest fans of the caste system and will do whatever it takes to promote/propagate it.
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This year there was a South Asian Heritage Month, a few months ago.
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4 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:You must be from some lower strata of the varna system that is why you never say what you are. If you have nothing to be ashamed of, tell us what you are.
lower strate of the varna system?
Good god, what did i just read there? No wonder the Ravidasia community are pushing for caste discrimination to be part of the Equality Act 2000, because of uneducated Hindus like yourself.
Seriously, how did we end up with people like you?
I'm being serious. How much did your RSS masters pay you to write such an anti-Sikh sentence? Crikey. We need another Singh Sabha movement and yes we have our work cut out if this is the crap we're dealing with.
This entire thread has turned into why rural Sikhs are specialists in Punjabiat and manu-smitri. There's no Sikhi there at all. Most of you are still confusing being a Punjabi and living the Sikh way of life. Being in touch with Punjab has got you guys no where in Sikhi - nowhere. You want to see a mona? Go to Punjab. You want to see a Singh? Go to Delhi, Jammu, Bangkok...I wonder why?!
The love for Sikhi is clearly inversely proportional to being a Punjabi. Worked it out yet? No? Get your RSS masters to solve that one for you.
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1 hour ago, californiasardar1 said:
You are absolutely right in making these points. I can only speak for myself, but I should have been more clear that the "westernization" that the East African Sikhs brought, in my opinion, had to do with women behaving less "traditionally" than they might in families that recently arrived from Punjabi pinds. I apologize for my mistake.
But you are right, "rural" (I'm using the term "rural" to stand in for something else, but I'm sure you know what I mean) Sikhs are absolutely pathetic when it comes to keeping kesh. I say this as someone who comes from precisely this background.
I'm not holding any other group responsible for "corrupting" rural Sikhs. As we see in modern day Punjab, rural Sikhs are quite adept at corrupting themselves. I just was noting how the further the time-distance from India, the further various Sikh communities have moved from traditional Punjabi cultural practices in various ways.
That's all good and I agree with you entirely regards to the women being less traditional. However, being "twice immigrants" it's not a surprise. Today we see the same rural Sikhs, some have barely seen Chandigarh and they've changed their appearance sitting in the pind.
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5 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:Yes you are correct on rural Sikhs less likely keep kesh.
But a lot of the East African Sikhs also cut their kesh and wear their paghs on top and have 5 o'clock shadow.
You mean have hair cuts and wear turbans? Really? I've literally never seen a single case. That's for your Sukshinder Shinda's, Diljit Dosanjh's of this world - and their certainly not from Nairobi. More importantly, the rural Sikhs are doing this in 2020 - not in 1955. Why?
Yes we know many East Africans trim their beards - entirely wrong of course. But no headteacher or employer refused admission/employment based on beard length. It was the turban that was always the issue.
East African Sikhs arriving from mid-60's seemed to have little issue obtaining jobs while keeping the turban whilst a Sikh from rural Punjab arriving at the same time would consider it almost obligatory to cut his hair and blame British employers. I'm not saying there weren't any issues but we've overlooked language barriers and skill-level when looking at the turban case.
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It's a strange discussion thread.
The East African Sikhs are being called out as being too "westernised" and are held somehow largely responsible for corrupting rural Sikhs.
However, as the world knows, it was the same East African Sikhs who spearheaded the turban campaigns in the late '70's - early 80's all the way to the House of Lords to ensure we can wear turbans in schools and lets be honest, as part of any uniform (because had they lost the legal fight then other institutions would have implemented no turban policy too).
All this whilst these rural Sikhs from India were busy sitting in pubs with haircuts - maybe the East Africans weren't so bad after all?!
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21 minutes ago, californiasardar1 said:
I remember a conversation 20 years ago with a friend of mine. Somehow the topic of the UK Sikh community came up.
My friend said (I'm paraphrasing): "They are going on their third generation there. Imagine what the girls are like these days. Their community is going to hell."
That was from a conversation that took place 20 years ago!
Now, that statement wasn't 100% correct. I am actually surprised that some young British-born Sikhs are into Sikhi (and in some cases, more into Sikhi than their parents).
But here are some things that are VERY common in the British Sikh community that I basically never (or very rarely) saw in the American Sikh community:
1. Girls drinking openly at Punjabi wedding receptions and parties
2. Aunties drinking openly at Punjabi wedding receptions and parties
3. Aunties with haircuts
4. Aunties wearing revealing clothing
5. Clean-shaven "babay" (grandfathers)
6. Boys and girls in their 20s or 30s who live with their parents but come and go as they please, going out partying, wearing revealing clothing and getting drunk and coming home in the middle of the night ... and somehow not having to hide any of this from their parents. It seems like this kind of behavior is very widely tolerated.
7. Boys and girls with tattoos
I could go on and on ...
It's interesting that you say this because our impression of North American Sikhs is that with the exception of asylum seekers from the post-'84 years, generally the auntie's and uncles all have a haircut and the kids have lost the plot.
It's true that the drinking culture in the UK Sikh community is crazy but North America has caught up.
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15 hours ago, puzzled said:
Ok i apologize
Thanks
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2 hours ago, puzzled said:You can definitely see the Jew in the nose.
Puzzled, you make a great contribution to this forum, however, this statement is unbefitting of you and more importantly, beneath the standards of this forum.
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On 6/28/2020 at 7:42 PM, puzzled said:
If it wasn't for Singh Sabha Sikhs would of merged into Hinduism, they literally saved the panth from dissolving into Hinduism!
This is probably the most profound statement on this website since I joined it many years ago - because it's true.
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43 minutes ago, proactive said:
Because they started to implement the teachings of the Gurus such as equality among Sikhs and against the hereditary claims of Guruship that many Sodhis and Bedis were making. They also attacked the blurring of boundaries that meant that a Sikh would go to a Mandir and a Sufi shrine without feeling in any way that he was being a hypocrite in going against the teachings of the Gurus. They also understood that many attitudes that had become ingrained into the Sikh population were instrumental in making people move away from Sikhism to other religions. Many Sikh Sardars and landholders kept many Muslim mistresses and the children born to them would invariably be bought up as Muslims as Sikh society did not accept them as legitimate and Muslims were eager to accept them to boost their own numbers. I remember reading about Giani Ditt Singh who bought over 200-300 descendants of a Sikh who had been banished by his village because he had married a Muslim woman and he had had to set up his own village separate from the Sikh village. Over time his descendants were worshippers of Sakhi Sarwar, the Muslim Sufi which was a half way house to Islam. There's no doubt within a few decades these person would have become Muslims and lost to Sikhi forever. Yet the tenacity and the preaching skills of Giani Ditt Singh led to them becoming Sikhs.
Can you remember which book this was? The one mentioning Giani Ditt Singh.
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Hard Kaur's father was killed in the 1984 riots. Hence this cause is personal for her.
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Major General Sir Henry Havelock, whose statue stands in Trafalgar Square, had Sikhs in his Army when they helped crush the Indian Mutiny in 1857 and finished off the remnants of Mogul Empire and gave a bloody nose to the Purbias who had fought against the Sikhs in support of the East India Company only a decade earlier.
Ironic therefore that a Gurdwara be located on Havelock Road.
Today, there is a cemetery and a betting shop on this road (and there used to be a pub).
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It is true that some Black and Asian communities are at greater risk but what isn't clear is why that is so. For example - how about the Indian and Pakistani communities in India and Pakistan - why aren't they suffering a similar mortality rate? Therefore, is UV light and vitamin D a bigger factor here?
The latest report from the ONS state that Indian men are 30-40% more likely to die from Covid-19 and for Pakistani/Bangladeshi men it is as high as 60% (compared to white men as a benchmark).
The NHS will have to act on national guidelines produced by national institutions such as the ONS, rather than any particular NHS Trust.
Around a month ago the Nursing and Midwifery Council already advised all of it's members regardless of ethnicity that they have the right to not work unless adequate PPE is provided.
The BMA crucially, did not. Whether individual NHS Trusts (regardless of proportion of BAME members) issued local guidance, I do not know. I suspect not, however.
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On 4/13/2020 at 12:23 AM, Guest Jigsaw_puzzled_singh said:
Sorry . Daily Mail brother, missed your message. Yes. You're right. I see my mum in every Kashmiro Kaur, Kulwinder Kaur and Karanjit Kaur. They are all my auntie and mum. Just as my mum always knew I'd always be her voice I will always be their voice. Truth, whether it is about nihangs finally teaching Punjab Police that it's not OK to ridicule people by making them roll on the dirty ground as punishment or pointing out inequalities is all about using our education for good.
But....on a different level.....you say you're a doctor. That's interesting. I'm not gonna lie to you Daily Mail. I'm good with the ladies and last week after volunteering at a hospital I managed to make a few doctor friends who all happened to be ladies. I got close enough to one or two of them to have some conversations and one of them that worked in ICU told me that the ventilators are killing patients that would otherwise be dead and things like Bhuddist / Hindu yoga (i.s Sikh...but she didn't know anything about Sikhism) breathing techniques would have kept them alive. What say thee Doctor ?
I am not aware of breathing techniques but it has been reported that ventilators may be doing more harm than good. Intensive care medics are increasingly using nasal oxygen or something called PEEP (positive-end expiratory pressure) ventilation, basically non-invasive oxygen therapy and are only using traditional ventilators (intubation) as a last resort. The usual biological parameters which determine the threshold at which ventilation is required is being looked at again because many patients aren't responding to ventilators as well as one would normally expect.
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Some home truths for Ravi Singh Khalsa Aid
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And this forum has many aforementioned fudhoos. There are threads on that very topic. At the time, I mentioned that Sikhs who are absolutely solid in their Sikhi, eg Sikhligar Sikhs, have been looked over and abandoned. But the caste-enabling and caste-promoting jatts ignored.