RebelSingh

i kno im gona sound horrible and controversial, but ill say it, maharaja ranjit singh, when he ruled his empire, shudda forced sikhi down ppl's throats. im not sayin forcefully convert, but make sikhi SO dominant all over his empire, that every1 wudda succumb 2 the continous exposure of sikhi and its promise of spirituality , oh and the warrior thingy too! When afghans used 2 kidnap hindu women,they used 2 kidnap panjabi muslim women too, and the fact that it was the 12 0 clock sikhs that got em back, it wudda been perfect tool 2 show non-believers wat they r missin out on! we had our chance, and we blew it! the hindu/british changed sikhs mndset that we r not a missionary religion, wen in actual fact, sikhi IS as much a missionary religion, as christianity/islam, but we r dumb at parchar! Guru amardas, in his very 1st duty as the new guru, was to send all his missionaries all over asia. Also lets not forget, guru nanak visited turkey-middle east-india-himalayas-burma etc, and he didnt go there 2 stretch his legs did he? During the 1900's-1947 in panjab, Sikhi WAS THE HIGHEST GROWING RELIGION, by this i mean our population rate was higher than muslims/hindus/christians. This is coz we were encouraged 2 have loads of kids, which is sumfin we need 2 get bak 2 now! Also during this period in panjab, Sikhs also had THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF CONVERTS into our religion, more than islam/hindu/christianity! It jus shows u wat effect that dirty indian govt has done 2 our ppl's mindset after partition

these channels NEED 2 b in english, FULL STOP! thats y youth r stupid n dumb regarding their knowledge in r religion! Its no coincedence, that Kam singhs youth project show was the highest viewed programme on sikh channel last yr, and wat happened? the <banned word filter activated> channel cudnt handle the "khalistan zindabad" slogans, idiyaaats! so they took it off. im telling u right now, when OLD-arse uncles with long white beards come on the sikh/sangat channels, n bust out old panjabi, ppls brain jus switch off, EVEN my mum too. if ppl like BHAI sukha singh had his own show, he'd be the don of dons, he is wicked. Its a shame gagandip of sikh tv was murdered, coz he was lookin like a genuine leader, thats y his death hit ppl around him hard! He was giving money 2 rajoanas' sister (kamaldeep), before anyone had even heard of her!

Well how come there are loads of reports of sikhligars/vanjaras/nanakpanthis then? those researchers cant all have been dumb? these southern sikhs r sed 2 outnumber us, personally i reckon they shud b transferred 2 north india, then outnumber these hindus in haryana/panjab areas, but it will never happen, coz r leaders only care for themselves! These southern sikhs r very loyal 2 sikhi, some of them r sooooooooooo poor its unreal, yet even after being targetted by muslim/christian missionaries, they've given em "2 fingers", straight up

first of all YES i do kno Himachal is 95% hindu, BUT, it only has 5million or so inhabitants for starters. Also u say on wat basis should we be given haryana, well the fact that wen the british were offering sikhs khalistan on the table in 1947' discussions, the borders that were drawn up were, from nankana sahib, all of present day panjab, and about 70-80% of haryana, (not sure bowt himachal tho), and we wernt the majority then either, were we? Would u have complained in hindsight if we had b given that? Also places like jalandhar were majority muslim, even after we ethnically cleansed areas of jalandhar, n massacred muslims 2 the max, yet they still were majority, but had 2 hop on 2 pakistan, so r u sayin that jalandhar shud hav gone 2 pakistan too, and its unjustified for us 2 have it now? sikh leader of 47' like baldev singh , wen invited 2 london, along with jinnah/nehru etc was asked 2 stay behind, for further time, to discuss sikhs needs and demands, this is also the meeting where jinnah warned sikhs of the possible slavery and backstabbing the hindus will inflict in the future. Shockingly many ppl dont know, but jinnah, actually NEVER wanted partition initially, but wen he saw n realised wat nehru/gandhi wud do in a united "hindustan", then thats wen he had 100% made his mind up, and warned sikhs, but our dumb leader were sooooooooo short sighted, its embarrasing. Recently indian politican jaswant singh released a book praising jinnah, which was subsequenlty banned (what a suprise)! To this day i still cant get my head around WHY sikhs didnt just say yes to the british and accept their offer! Before the british came, we had arguably the greatest empire in the world (Eff the british empire), yet wen british were goin, didnt it occur in the heads of our leaders that west panjab is goin 2 pakistan, shudnt we jus get wat we can? IDIOTS, even tho baldev/master tara singh, later on regretted it on their deathbeds, we shud throw eggs at their pictures!

WAIT A SEC! i thought most sikhs AREN'T panjabis anyways? the vanjaara/sikhlighars outnumber us right?

that gurdeep singh jagbir is fool man, the way he talks, puts EVERYONE 2 sleep! HE LOVES the sound of his voice, did u guys see when he was interviewin the homeless sikhs in west london? pathetic

SSA WestLondonSingh, in ur opinion wat are the borders of the future independant panjab/khalistan going to be? coz i cant even b asked 2 reply back to sum of the mugs on here sayin, that demanding haryana/himachal/Northern Rajastan is ridiculous etc blah blah... This is what was given 2 us when the british buggered off, jus coz sum behsharam census form filling hindus disgustingly wrote hindi as their first language, doesnt mean that all of a sudden that land dusnt deserve 2 b given back! i agree with u regarding hindu panjabis, ive sed it before, they r backstabbers, always have been, how many of them stood up for us during the last 30+ yrs? They jus all stood there n watch their sikh neighbours get battered n butchered, they hardly ever put their neck on the line for sikhs like apnay have done for them. The panjabi suba movement in the 60's was for PANJABIS, but they made it into a sikh v hindu thing, so then r dumb leaders decided 2 make panjab even smaller, o well

bro look @ wat i wrote on the previous page, i too hate the crappy "we can't run a Gurdwara, how are we going to run Khalistan?" rant

cheers mate, i suppose its kinda like "Vekh" and "Dekh", the V becomes redundant . As u may well kno in the olden days (Before Partition n after i suppose), if u wanted 2 work on the radio, u HAD to be from LAHORE/AMRITSAR, because mahji panjabi is/will always b considered as "Posh" n perfect panjabi. U tend 2 find most Lahori/Amritsaris sayin "vekh" as opposed 2 dekh

bro jus watch it again on iplayer - http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01g6gf1/The_Story_of_the_Turban/ also u sed on another thread that baisakhi or vaisakhi is pronounced dependin on the dialect, wud u specify which areas pronounce it in certain way

hey WLS bro, after watchin this vid, ur love for the delhi sikhs may go up even more, i kno mine did . its quite shariaam too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z825RWIzfw8

Happy Vaisakhi to all peeps on here, and the non-believers.

i had always thought that this world never started, and never would finish! or am i confusing that with god? also since u seem more intelligent than most ppl ive encountered on this forum (no shame in that), can u tell me, wen the world did begin, wat r sikhs beliefs on whether we were monkeys, then developed slowly into humans, and did we all originate from africa? and lastly wen will kalyug finish, and the nxt phase begin? coz this world is DISGUSTING paaji! in the Dasam Granth, it clearly says in the worst period of kalyug, family members will start havin sex together (joseph fritzel/all those sexually abusive uncles).

yea gud show i reckon

thats THE MOST CRAPPEST ARGUMENT, Muslims run their mosques well, yet their countries r terriblly run, so where is ur argument going? so your/indian ppls argument is crap, simple! I WILL TELL U GUYS ALL STRAIGHT NOW, id rather have khalistan now, full of corrupt leaders, rather than just b a part of india. atleast in khalistan we can have a arab-spring type of revolution n kick the leaders off their perch. But in india, if we try a revolution in panjab now, WHAT HAPPENS? BRAHMINS come poking their noses in, and bring their tanks/artillery. Atleast in our OWN country WE CALL THE SHOTS!! end of. if badals were the prime ministers of khalistan, they'd have been assasinated by now! there wud b no brahmins in delhi for them 2 suck up too. dera babas like ram rahim/noormahelia etc who currently have brahmin backed z-list security wud of been ak-47'd long time ago, any sikh here who thinks we can flourish as a part of india in the nxt 20-40+yrs is havin a laugh.

but guys, then wat about kalki avtar or the possible return of guru gobind singh (i think) that ppl talk bowt. also when will there b 96 crore (960m) khalsa in the world? any ideas gang? Also i dont understand, so we DONT believe in the world ever ending or do we?

dont u mean BURQA broadcasting corporation? since monday, all the topics have practically centred around muslims, thats all they friggin talk about!

Well WLS, its a fact that a lot of the khalistani militants were monas, sum took amrit later on too, but quite a substantial amount were cut hair like u and i. Regarding the name of the land, i have discussed this on another thread under my previous name, that "khalistan" has been SO dirtied/attatched to "terrorism" by nazi india, that its better to name it something else now, i would prefer Panjab or Azaad Panjab too. BTW wat was maharaja ranjit singhs country called? was it "sarkar khalsa" or simply "panjab"?

my dads name is guru gobind singh, hes the king of kings u know!

WOW bro ur 100 % correct, cud u imagine WLS if the £20m havelock gurdwara was sittin where the park avenue was instead? Oh Lord, the tourists wud have a field day! Plus, i didnt kno that haveleock gurdwara was 1st to b built, so i apologise there mate, gud points, this is why u r the stand out poster on this site, straight up.

Well the common thing is coz they dont understand the following things (in my crappy opinion): 1)Panjab/Sikhs were/was/is of a seperate country before british annexed it (and we wud like it back) 2)They dont understand the lies told 2 sikhs by nehru/gandhi, and how sikhs cudda had khalistan in 47', but were sold out by "our" leaders 3)They dont understand panjab has been bullied and discriminated since 47' 4)They dont know that Indian Govt was planning 2 invade Harmandir Sahib TWO yrs b4 it happened, n jus think that bhindrawale was a "terrorist" coz he had weapons inside there (So did Guru Hargobind)! 5)They think it wont survive, coz it doesnt have coastal/sea ports (NEITHER DID MAHARAJA RANJIT SINGH, IDIOTS), but there r various khalistan maps drawn up (look below) 6)THIS IS FUNNIEST ONE - It WONT have a military 2 cope with pakistans invasion! LOL!! i aint even gonna go here, such is the dumb nature of the question! (But read the statement below) http://storerooom.wo...e-mighty-sikhs/ 7)They think ALL non believers (hindus/christians/muslims) will be removed from our lands! When in history (apart from partition) did we EVER EVER ethincally cleanse ppl out of our hoods'? 8) Khalistan wud be poor economically coz india will "refuse" 2 trade with us?!? Well 400m ppl in india live below poverty line, is it me, or wud khalistan (with its beautiful food producin lands) actually call the shots on the price, not its starvin neighbours http://www.sikhiwiki...f_Khalistan.jpg - This is the most likely Map of khalistan (Panjab/haryana/Himachal/Northern parts rajastan) http://republicofkhalistan.com/images/WEBSITE%20FRONT%20copy.jpg - This is one that i like, but unlikely (includes jammu/gang doab?/western Gujarat/Rajastan) (I apologise if i dont come across intellectual, im jus a person whos still learning)

Seen, well there are more than 40,000 sikhs livin in southall, plus all the illegal faujis der too, so yea it makes sense 2 have few gurdwaras, but its a shame sum hav been named after their tribes (ravidassi,ramgharia) and even afghan gurdwara too, sad. i always remember wen growing up n goin southall park avenue gurdwara, n bein towered by the Sant jarnail singh bhindrawale photos, the gurdwara may aswel hav been named 'Khalistan park avenue gurdwara'. Would be sad if its true

yea tru 100%

create awareness at 11:20pm? come on mate, typical of bbc 2 make us as 2nd class, yet an islamic hour long programme was on the other day at 9pm ish.

ive already put a link up for anand karaj act, as if u care anyways "AjeetSinghPunjabi", every1 knows ur a RSS agent