Khalsa_Girl_1

It's true. It has nothing to do with ritualism. Baba ji gave bachan on this, and bachan of a bhramgiani always comes true.

Umm.. There is no introductory line in your post.

I am confused what you are referring to, as being "true" and it(?) having "nothing to do with ritualism. Additionally, which baba ji are you talking about, and which bachan? :umm:

Am I missing something here, or am I missing something? :6

VAAAHIGURUUU _/\_

How did you conclude they were Hindus ? Usually in Mumbai it is the muslim youth who misbehave with foreigners and use the crowd or mob as a cover for molesting vulnerable girls.

this had already happened during New Year's Eve as well. Mumbai also has a huge floating and resident muslim population.

From all my years in India, and for all their sins, rarely have I seen ordinary hindus misbehave with women when in a group or by themselves. Usually one of the positive features of India and it's hindus are that even in an urban setting they are more or less respectful towards women. The only exception to this is noticed in Western UP or Delhi which are an exception though only to a degree.

Western UP and Delhi happened to be centres of the Mughal Empire and thus it is natural that those who lived in these parts didn't usually get their women treated with respect and neither did they bother to return those favours to anyone else.

uhh no

....i can name five of my immediate friends who were " taken advantage" of by hindu men, married men at that...

one of them was a dentist :S

Err... Sorry, but.. What does dentistry have to do with that? :6 :6

WJKK WJKF,

You know Guru Granth Sahib Ji, what were the base of the Bhagat that were in there?

e.g. bhagat ravidas, bhagat kabir etc. why were they allowed to;.... you know, i dont want to say it, its a bit disrespectful?

sorry if i hate hurt anyone saying this, i know ive used wrong words..

Guru ji's would NEVER outcast spiritual people when they provided teachings to others as well.

Guru ji does not tell us to reject other religions, and their morals etc.

Guru ji encourages us to respect others and take in the positive, and leave out the negative..of ANY human being.

not only is sexism prevalent in the doctrines and scriptures of Hinduism and hindu culture, there is also a severe undercurrent of racism and bigotry...

the words aryan and swastika are used in vedic/bhraman scripture in reference to a master race. It is accepted in hinduism that only a bhraman is divine and capable of bestowing divinity upon others...

all others are considered inferior and incapable of attaining freedom from this life and oneness with God...

this is the same ideology that was exploited by hitler in reference to his version of a master race.

Hinduism is an exploitative and oppressive religion like all other religions....

only Sikhi preaches love and equality amongst mankind and has empowered its adherents to stand against tyranny and oppression.

Yes... Well.. What more can we expect from a religion that preaches inequality amongst people of the same nationality, race, culture, AND religion?!?! Yes... I am talking about the caste system that is a RELIGIOUS HINDU 'way of life'.

I'm really so in love with 'SIKHI'. I thank God I'm not anything else.

The religion that is closest to 'SIKHI' when it comes to gender equality would be Buddhism. Don't get mixed up with the teachings of a Buddhist priest, regarding sexism, in Thailand today..because the TRADITION has CHANGED SO MUCH, but the RELIGION is the same.

Buddha had actually said that females were blessed beings, and that they could reach enlightenment easier than men. (I believe Sikhi teaches this too..)

Buddha also encouraged women to take part in the same religious duties/practices as men, and Buddha had not discriminated against/oppressed women in any way. HOWEVER.. Culture, yet again, throws a punch at the religious teachings in Buddhism, therefore resulting in the various types of sexist acts/rules in Buddhism communities (especially Thailand).

'SIKHI' is, by FAR, the greatest religion in the world.

THANK YOU GURU SAHIBS!! :') :D _/\_

'Jag_Singh' post='422726' date='Jul 7 2009, 10:28 AM']wjkk wjkf

Please look up Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji's definition of Sikh (in the later years of life).

It is not 'one who learns'. The Punjabi word 'sikh' means 'to learn'. However, in Sikhism, the (spiritual) definition of 'Sikh' is not the same.

Let me ask you why is the common definition of the 'Punjabi word' always referred to as 'learner/disciple/follower'? Why isn't the actual definition of Shri Guru Gobind Singh ji used commonly?

Bhul chuk maaf Khalsa jio

wjkk wjkf

Why is the common definition of the 'Punjabi word' always referred to as 'learner/disciple/follower'?

Actually.. The common definition of the 'Punjabi word "sikh" does not refer to a Sikh person.

TO ANSWER QUESTION 1: The word 'sikh' means '(to) learn'. This word is a VERB.

.. Whereas the the spiritual word 'Sikh' is defined as a disciple/learner. This word is a NOUN.

So one is a verb, and one is a noun.

TO ANSWER QUESTION 2: The verb is, of course, more commonly used because it is a part of sentence structure. The noun is obviously less commonly used because it is a noun, therefore, not a part of a sentence structure.

Therefore, having different definitions.

Sorry.. That's the best way I can explain. Hope you understand.

the ghost of xmas cast ??

or a cast related shoe??

Huh? :6

Please answer my question before I get even more confused.

now look at us:

"i cut my hair, but i love Sikhism so i were a Kara" (SLAP)

"i wear a Dastaar and trim my beard im a Sikh" (SLAP)

"my boyfriend (SLAP) is a paki (SLAP), i got highlights in my (cut) hair" (SLAP)

"my dads too strict, he wants me to go Gurdwara" (SLAP)

"i'm a {insert cast}" (SLAP, SLAP)

I laughed at all of them!!

This is the best:

"my boyfriend (SLAP) is a paki (SLAP), i got highlights in my (cut) hair" (SLAP)

"i'm a {insert cast}" (SLAP, SLAP)

Applause, applause!

And as for Sikhism/Sikhi.. It is just really annoying when my spell check highlights words it doesn't recognize, so I just put in 'Sikhism'.

typical jaat-boot / punjabi culture which needs to be put to a stop.

What does jaat-boot mean?

http://www.hindustantimes.com/StoryPage/St...ill+loves+India

There is another thread on this forum about hindu mob sexually harrasing a CNN reporter. Well, here a Danish Girl is groped in a bus in the presence of 3 dozen bharat mataaians.

That is disgusting! Thank God I have never been on a public bus before. ESPECIALLY in a country like India.

And about the girl.. Umm... Since he was telling her to keep quiet about it, he was obviously being secretive about it.

That is when you take the mans arm, pretend to be kind, and twist his hand/wrist. Problem solved.

She didn't mention trying to help herself. She just kept mentioning the men around her who didn't help. :umm:

Krishan has been called a KEET (INSECT) IN Dasam Granth Sahib Jee. Krishan used to pick up the clothes of young girls while they used to take bath. If such a person is considered to be God, what do u expect from the followers ?

Ram left his wife just on the heresay. When such person are called God or avatars of God, the followers try to emulate the deeds of such persons and as a result the character of the "avatar" becomes a part of the character of his followers.

This is what I am trying to tell Raju to read for him/herself. Although we are not to entirely discuss dasam granth on this forum, I am trying to encourage Raju to read holy Hindu scriptures. Many Hindu gods took advantage of being the male rulers. Many male Hindu gods disrespected the female Hindu gods just because of they were females. I do not wish to post links or whatnot to prove the existence of sexism in Hinduism because there are young visitors browsing this site.

Raju, please read the religious Hindu scriptures. You will find the proof you are looking for, regarding the existence of sexism in Hinduism.

I'm not quite understanding the Chinese (majority) plan. :umm:

I know that they basically want to wipe out the minorities..butt...

What is the Han community?

Is the Uighur community Muslim?

There was a reporter who said that the Chinese are cautious, concerning the activities within Muslim communities (especially one large area, predominantly Muslim, western part of China) because they suspect the Muslims in that area are planning a massive terrorist attack.

(The reporter mention that 'After these brutal attacks started last week, discussion about this suspicion is being put aside.')

Khalsa_Girl_1, thora shaant ho jaoo lol. Well all this is thanks to our so called Desi Jatt/Punjabi culture.. 100% of these honour killings amongst Sikhs are comitted by Sikhs of Indian Punjab. There are atleast 5 million Sikhs outside Punjab, some that are Punjabi other that are non-Punjabi Sikhs, they have NEVER been reported to take part in these shamefull acts.

Punjab hardly has 5% Sikhs, believe me... These people are greedy moorakhs that know nothing and are giving a bad name to the Sikh community... I don't want us to be known alongside Sullahs as honor killing people. And your right, this is all the Hindu and <banned word filter activated> influence in our culture..

WJKK WJKF

No one should be shaant about this. The reason why it frustrates me so much is the utter confusion I'm left with. Just where DO people get these ridiculously insane ideas?

I just can't seem to understand ONE ("good") reason why honour killings exist.

The population of men is already far greater than women. They already rule countries like India etc.

...WHY kill a girl for doing something like having a boyfriend, but only beat a boy for doing drugs, and later have him marry a girl that has to go through his drug-life?

Good to know.

how about when people who do kirtan use these bollywood tunes to do kirtan in, is that ok though?

Hell no. It is so annoying. It's the same thing as using the tunes/beats from a rap song. (No, I'm not despising rap. It's my fav form of music...just an example..)

Using bollywood tunes and rap tunes for Kirtan shows the same disrespect.

You know what, the best part about your messages is that they are colorful :D

AND

they make sense :D

Why thank you. This one is more colourful: http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=422645 :lol:

if you cut your HAIR you are NOT a Sikh.

LOL. Everyone's learning through life, that makes everyone a sikh.

Please look up Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji's definition of Sikh (in the later years of life).

It is not 'one who learns'. The Punjabi word 'sikh' means 'to learn'. However, in Sikhism, the (spiritual) definition of 'Sikh' is not the same.

wow alot of hypocrited on this forum..

alot of people go on like no you shouldnt wear a kara if your not fully a proper sikh, yet your the same ones who go on about muslims taking away apparant 'sikh' girls..

question i pose to you is, if your not a 'practising' sikh and you cant be classed as a sikh if you only wear a kara, why do you lot consider these girls 'sikhs' when associating them with getting influenced by muslims boys??

I'm not directing this comment at 20legend..but....

People need to stop calling these girls 'stupid' 'dumb' 'not sikh' 'despicable' etc....

your comment cant be directed at me because what im saying the same point your making about sikhs and karas you should make about sikh girls and muslims, because unless you have taken amrit you cant be a sikh thus the girls that everyone seems to refer to are not actually sikh are they???? unless the muslims are converting singhnia these days...

Yes, I was aware of that. I was just trying to prevent people from posting such false and sexist statements on this thread.

Approximately 20 years ago, in cities AND villages, most of the people were not aware of the proper way to get married (Anand Kaaraj) at a Gurudwara. Most people did not do the Parkaarmaas! They would sit through the entire ‘Anand Kaaraj’.

Even today, that still happens…. Not to mention the fact that the lower castes are usually not allowed to even marry in a Gurudwara…even if they ARE amrit-dhari!!

hmm to be honest I think it would only be what SGPC consider to be proper anand karaj. I would say not even the "proper" anand karaj introduced by the anand karaj act (which was last century right?) is the traditional way of marriage. I think the style of anand karaj would depend on how much someone follows SGPC, and less to do with how much one follows Guru ji.

Hmm.. SGPC is not always correct, yes. I agree with what you're saying.

What I was specifying though, was the absence of Parkarmaas itself.

While you are at it you might as well ban Mothers Day and Fathers Day and your own birthdays, many may agree with this but AkaalPurkh gave us these relationships and there is nothing wrong in celebrating them, to an extent. There is nothing wrong with a birthday celebration, as long as it does not involve partying and booze, if we celebrate these relationships with AkaalPurkh in mind, that He has granted us a daughter whose birthday we are celebrating or another year of my life has passed with Gurus grace, or I celebrate my brother / sister relationship then there is nothing wrong here.

I'm not saying you are wrong for your opinions, but I must point out:

Mothers Day, Fathers Day and a birthday do not have any sexist reasons behind them, like Rakhdee does. Unlike rakhdee, there are no ideologies attached to birthdays, Mothers Day, and/or Fathers Day.

How does sangat feel about reading bani on iPhone while on the toilet. There is bani on the phone regardless if it is being read or not and I right now I use the phone to read news while on the toilet, would it be fine if I read bani instead? By the way I'm on the toilet right now

Reciting GurBaanee off by heart is no problem. Please don't take Gutkaa Sahibs, Phones, iPods, any types of PDAs, Laptops etc near the washroom.. LET ALONE IN IT.. AND DEFINITELY NOT WHILE ON THE TOILET.

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I use the phone to read news while on the toilet, would it be fine if I read bani instead?

Would you read the newspaper in a Darbaar Sahib???

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I hope this question wasn't a joke cuz your last statement was very immature.

By the way I'm on the toilet right now

>> I am not trying to be offensive. I'm just stating facts

sorry, I am yet to see any facts. What you stated was your opinion.

matrilineal societies are a fact. In fact the only other matrilineal society worshipping women and women goddesses exists in Ireland/Wales apart from South India. There are a lot of links between dravidian cultures with those of Irish/Basque cultures, and primary among them was the primacy that they gave to women and worship of female deities and feminine rituals. The cultures that oppressed women and were t ypically 'sexist' were the 'Indo-European' cultures and the Germanic tribes and Arabs/Semitic cultures and the religions descended from these cultures. Sorry, but I do not see any homogeneity in Christianity and Hinduism here.

the 'religion' called Hinduism seems to be sexist now/today/here because we seeing effects on this religion post various traumas like Islamic invasion, British misrule etc. If the Hindu religion was 'sexist' before these, then you need to show with concrete examples of such during times before Mughal period.

If you would like to see these facts, then please go read the RELIGIOUS HINDU scriptures. There, you will find the sexism that spreads through the minds of Hindus. The concrete examples which you are asking me for are in the religious Hindu scriptures.

Christianity, along with Hinduism and Islam have countless set of restrictions against women for no reasons. These rules are sexist.

I am not talking about the Hinduism TODAY.

I am not the one who is stating my opinions. Please do your research on the Hindu religion. (NOT CULTURE..RELIGION)

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but I am not at all disrespectful to make things up about a religion.

Again.. Please do your research. The PROOF etc you're looking for are the Holy Hindu Scriptures.

this is also shown in the shastar vidiya paentre.

Really????

Well, duh.. :lol:

But..seriously? In shastar vidhiya pantrey?

FOR EVERYONE: PLEASE READ THIS POST

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?s=&amp...st&p=179740

Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj REJECTS any rituals / thread cr*p.

And then why the hell do we "sikhs" accutally i'll call them panjabis, why do they do rakhriya?

They believe the brother protects the sisters, Guru Granth Sahib Ji tells us that male and female are equals, then why can't the sister protect the brother? mostly, what the hell?

I need evidence to stop this ritual which many panjabis do!

this is the truth

can anyone provide me with quotes that Guru Granth Sahib Ji has said?

and please state which Ang reveals this...

and lastly,

did the RSS created this image, to weaken Sikhi (which Sikhi will never be weak). ^^^^

I was looking through the archieves of sikhnet and found this post!

"My second cousin got married to a white guy recently. Her grandfather (my father's uncle) is a staunch baptized Sikh. The white boy had to become Sikh to marry her. They got married in a Gurudwara."

Does anyone know any case where a non-sikh became a sikh in order to marry a Sikh?

Van80crimsfu

Yes. Many.

but some girls use equality to do things against punjabi culture, such as girls drinking!!!

It doesn't matter. Equality is equality. Besides.. I was relating equality to money put into marriage plans etc. Marriage is far drinking.

And I don't understand the big deal in a girl drinking anyway. <_< It's wrong for anyone to drink, so why do people point out an alcoholic female? (not people who were raised in Punjab..not older people etc.) Why do Sikhs TODAY, in developed countries, pinpoint the GIRLS..when Guru ji teaches us equality. Same for drugs etc..

It's wrong.

Dowry is a big NO-NO in Sikhi!!

Most GurSikhs (outside of South Asia) don't follow the DOWRY RULE. They are living happy lives. In fact most of them are happier than those who follow the dowry system..cuz really now.. What does the dowry do? NOTHING!

THE IMPORTANCE/SIGNIFICANCE OF DOWRY (not applying to today though):

Since it is a 'cultural thing' for a girl moves into the boys house right after marriage, a new bride would obviously feel uncomfortable moving into a strangers house. In most cases, the 2 families lived quite a distance from each other. Individuals from nearby villages were rarely hooked up for marriage. She didn't know anyone from the village.

Soooooooooo...The parents would give her items from home..the things she was familiar with. The lists includes:

- Bed/that manjaa thingy

- Homemade blankets/quilts

- Clothes

- Kitchen utensils

- Photos

- Other furniture

And so on...

These belongings were given to the girl so she could feel 'at home' when she moved in with the 'strangers'...

But NOWWW..

What are people doing now?!?! ASKING FOR MONEY THAT THEY DON'T NEED AT ALLLL!! The used-to-be-good-tradition dowry thing is now a good-for-nothing, maayaa(money)-eating strategy. PEOPLE ARE NOW ASKING FOR CARS!!..not to mention unbelievable amounts of money.

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Thirdly if you don't have money nobody treats you with respect, whether it's your parents, husband or wife so how are in-laws any different ?

How is this related to the girl & boy paying 50-50..?

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Fifthly, "No money - No honey" It's true in school, college, uni (getting a girl friend) same is valid in arranged marriage (no roti - no vohti).

Even if EVERYONE ON EARTH sticks with this mentality..it gives the more reason for BOTH families to provide equal amounts of money for the wedding.

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cuz the guy has to deal with the girl for the rest of his life, might as well pay for the wedding if ur the girls family. lol

It's more like the GIRL HAS TO deal with the guy for the rest of HER life.

Since SHE:

- Has to go through the entire changes...

- Has to move into a new environment that she made not wish to DEAL with

- Has to deal with family members SHE doesn't know

- Has to know all the 'traditional' so-called "female duties" (Which should NOT be the case in 2009, but still is.)

- Does not know the family ways/rules/customs etc in the new household

- Feels alienated

- Has to deal with being separated from her family

I MEAN CLEARLY.. It's the GIRL who has to deal with the guy for the rest of her life... So the GUY'S FAMILY MIGHT AS WELL PAY FOR THE WEDDING.

I see no reason why not.

The GIRL is moving into the guys home. So the GIRLS family is at a loss.

In addition to that, the guys family STILL want the girls family to pay?!?!?!

That doesn't make any sense AT ALL.

So.. Since the boys family isn't losing anything/anyone at all.. The boys family should pay for the wedding etc...and NOT ask for dowry at all!!

Fifthly, "No money - No honey" It's true in school, college, uni (getting a girl friend) same is valid in arranged marriage (no roti - no vohti).