Khalsa_Girl_1

id love to see that happen, no way one earth Britain will turn Islamic!!!!!!1

Buddy.. Do you KNOW how many kids these ppl have...?

How CAN you doubt that...? :6

I know how many kids Muslim family's have but THIS IS ENGLAND! it wont happen.

Well then.. Everyone should learn shastar vidhiya and use it against them..

That would be my plan! :D

id love to see that happen, no way one earth Britain will turn Islamic!!!!!!1

Buddy.. Do you KNOW how many kids these ppl have...?

How CAN you doubt that...? :6

It's a little embarrassing for me to see a person outside of our faith suggest such simple, obvious solutions.

It really is embarrassing..cuz we all KNOW that this is what we must do.

It really does make me wonder, after reading the entire article.. Why do/did the victims of '84 (or parents who knew about '84) not talk about the happenings. :S

FACT: People within our community these days would rather spend time listening to all those messed up ppl... (errmm.. jazzy-b and.. that's all i know of) instead of knowing about the reasons why so many of our sisters and brothers fell.. (let alone actually participate in events to help our community <_< )

I wonder how much energy they receive after listening to those fools sing about hummers and girls.. The energy must be overflowing..

It's probably nothing compared to Gurbaani's and Simran's power right.....? :rolleyes:

Oh and.. The same ppl would laugh at my previous ^^^ comment.. Man, are they missing out.

FACT: Mothers (and daughters who learn it from their mothers) find it more important to powder themselves up, spending THOUSANDS (yes.. thousands is common now) of dollars on 'beauty' products instead of spending a few bucks for kirtan classes.

I mean.. come on people.. Is there any sense in that...?.. I mean really... <_<

FACT: Fathers would rather go to their friends houses and challenge each other to the infamous duel/challenge "Who can drink the most?"

..wow... "Omg.. Look at me. I'm so manly." ...You won't be when you're in the hospital, fighting for your life bud..

FACT: Parents are not willing to educate their children about what is in GurBaani.

I'm pretty sure most of usually witness/go through/have gone through this:

Child: Mummy ji. What did the baba mean?

Mom: Kee-aaa? Chup kar! (What?!?! Be quiet.)

Child: But I don't understand what he's saying.

Mom: Mainuu sunlayn de. (Let me listen.)

C: But then you always say how I don't know anything.

M: Hunn pushan daa time nee haig-aa. (Now is not the time to be asking.)

...On the way home...

C: Mummy. What did the baba mean when he said "____________________"?

M: Tuu sundee nee cee? Othey karan kee jaan-ay-o? (You weren't listening? What do you go there for?)

C: *(w.t.f...?)*

FACT: Grandmas will never stop wearing those tiny Kirpans. Therefore, the reason they provide their grandchildren with when asked 'why not the big Kirpan' is "There is no need to have an actual Kirpan.

Err... Yeah... I'd like to see ppl (try) to defend themselves.. :rolleyes:

FACT: Parents need to STOP saying stupid things just cuz the kids are young.

Saying things like "No. Guru ji did not actually cut off the 5 heads, but showed the blood of sheep (w.t.f...?) instead."

FACT: Parents don't realize what is in those 'story-time books' they buy for their kids.

HOW COULD A SNAKE...(of all animals.. a SNAKE???)...hover over Guru Nanak Dev jis head? :6 .. Do we HAVE to act like we don't know what Sikhi says about snakes, and their karams?

How... How could God let a SNAKE hover over Guru jis head....? PPL=MESSED UP

FACT: Stupid movies, like SUNNY THE PROUD SIKH (hate on me all you want ppl.. but I really disagree with the makers of that movie) need stop being made/distributed!

The grandma in that video, actually, said Dhan Dhan, Guru Gobind Singh ji had the blood of sheep (or w/e) on His sword...

Okay... Yeah.. Dhan Dhan, True Guru Gobind Singh ji really needed to FAKE it to DECEIVE PEOPLE.. ..What is wrong with ppl??????

FACT: Bollywood is "essential" in PUNJABI ppls' lives.

Challenge:

Naming the fav. Bwood movie stars: Passing with an A+ ..listed over 50, and was still going..

Challenge:

Naming 11 Guru jis: Failing at 20% ...remembered Guru Nanak Dev ji and Guru Gobind Singh ji..

Oh.. I'm sure they could name more Hindu gods... :rolleyes:

FACT: Punjabi ppl are lazy.. They think putting their kids in the GURUDWARA soccer club is good enough.

Sullaas are always at the front of the volunteering lines (Hurricane katrina, the tsunami, Burma etc..)

The year I worked as an assistant teacher for an elementary school last year, ALL THE VOLUNTEERS FOR LUNCH SUPERVISION WERE SULLEES!! Each, and every SINGLE ONE OF THEM...

I hate it when ppl think we are sullees cuz of the same clothes. DISGUSTING!!!

IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER: When kids are playing on the Gurudwara soccer team, it does nothing. Playing on the Gurudwara team does NOT make it easier for those few players on Rep teams to keep their Kadaas and Kirpans on!! It just shows that those ppl are insecure, therefore putting their kids in Gurudwara teams.

My sister has been playing volleyball for 5-6 years now. She ties a Dastaar, wears the sarab loh Kadaa, and is sometimes asked to remove them. In her 5-6 years of playing the sport...Only ONE referee had not asked her to remove it, before telling her that he understood it is important to a Sikh.

FACT: Punjabi parents think 'attending as many night parties as possible = being western.

...but, somehow, striving to make a country better is all up to the "western goraas".. :6

These idiocy is the Sikh community's problem. Therefore, ridding the stupi.dity within our community is the only solution.

Someone's gonna have to break it to these folks, that..

the fact is.. We can't celebrate about manmohan. He will not do ANYTHING for Sikhs. ... His wife wears a saadee all the time.. FINDS A KADAA TOO HEAVY TO WEAR, but wears the other jewelry.. AND is friends with Ms. GHANDI

Have a sneak peek of their sisterhood: http://www.hinduonnet.com/gallery/0372/037202.jpg

If this is how our community will stay close to the dirt.. I don't see justice coming our way..

Regarding these matters..

Are there only a few Sikhs who think the same?... Cuz that's what it seems like..

Problem: 25years have past but still we have no justice

Proactive steps we should take:

the anthropologist Cynthia Mehmood that wrote the book 'Fighting for Faith and Nation' has listed what proactive steps Sikhs need to take 25 years on

http://www.worldsikhnews.com/10%20June%202...20s%20heads.htm

she writes of 6 proactive steps Sikhs should take:

First, it would be necessary to conduct a series of well-thought-out workshops on the question of how the Sikh religion intersects with Punjabi culture. Sikhism is a universal faith, of course, yet we all know plainly that most gurdwara services are conducted in Punjabi, that Punjabi cultural values permeate everything Sikh. There are so many valuable things about this heritage. But, on the language issue especially, the continued use of Punjabi mono-lingually at events such as this one, at which one is trying to approach non-Sikhs who clearly do not understand the language, cannot be of help to a movement that is serious about its aims. In this age of technology, simultaneous translation running on a screen behind the speaker is easily possible; I’ve seen it among Kashmiris, who are way ahead of the Sikhs in terms of professionalization of a movement.

Second, I think it is time that the community hire on a permanent basis a small team of top flight international lawyers, who can be at the ready for opportunities like alien torts (through which, for example, an Indian human rights abuser could be sued in a Canadian court), who could approach UNESCO on the World Heritage Status of the Golden Temple Complex, who could be called upon on issues regarding the international humanitarian laws of war. This team could proactively work to ensure recognition of Sikh rights in every country where Sikhs live, instead of waiting for individual cases to react to. It could work on what the notion of self-determination actually means, in this 21st century, and explore other options for representation of sub-state collectivities.

Third, the community should hire real lobbyists, professional lobbying firms, in Washington, Ottawa, and London. Not just a few Sikhs with the passion for a cause, but a professional firm trained to advertize and push through an agenda. This is exactly what the government of India has done, and it is what you must do, as well. The sense of mistrust for non-Sikhs is antiquarian, and must be gotten over. Simply expect to hire and pay for the best. They will come to know well the environments of the capitals, know which bills should be supported and how to support them, and be able to think through how the assertion of Sikh rights, or a potential Sikh state, could benefit others.

Fourth, there should be a rotating youth initiative, perhaps set up as internships, to keep track of how the community is being perceived on the internet and to push the Sikh agenda electronically. Likewise, this group of young people, being unattached, could spring into action when opportunities presented themselves such as organizing aid to flood victims in New Orleans. Or, for example, I just found out tonight that the Council of Bishops in the Catholic Church have a firm principle that places of worship are inviolable. Young people, find out such a fact and having grown up here, more familiar with other faiths, could approach the Bishops and find out how to perhaps use this principle to protect the Golden Temple,perhaps to mobilize Catholics around the Sikh cause.

Fifth, the Sikh diasporan community must set up its own academic foundation. This foundation would fund scholarly research and writing projects on the Punjab conflict, human rights, and Sikhism in order to make sure that the tragic episode of the past two decades cannot be ignored in the historical record. It could also conduct workshops to help Punjabi scholars learn the standards of international academic publishing, and perhaps help link Western scholars to Punjabi scholars for entrée into Punjab. Most important, its financial support would enable the subaltern or nonstandard Sikh Studies, which views matters from the ground up rather than from New Delhi down, to continue to function and flourish.

Finally, the community must define and support the development of an archive and museum along the lines of the holocaust museums of the Jews. For this type of enterprise, one must be serious; one must hire a professional archivist and expect to spend money on restoration and preservation of artifacts. But doing this centrally will in the end cost less than every gurdwara having its own little library, as is now the case. Such a central archive and museum can also be accessible electronically worldwide, if the decision is made to locate the original outside of India.

i recommend everyone read the whole article

^^ I rest my case..

That is F'n freaky...

That's a sickening joke...really it is..

Heaven my *ss..

Only fools think of stupid rules please only men.. and to think it's acceptable in the eyes of God.

The women in Nepal who have more than one husband are in heaven as well eh.. :rolleyes:

caveman is known to be an i d i o t time to time., take no offense.

caveman.. I just find the islamic rules/beliefs/practices really f*cked up..

I'm not hating the people. I'm hating the play.

..and for you to even joke about 'the men/women thing'' was a little...surprising..?

I just don't like to hear sexist ideas.. especially coming from a Sikh bro.. and YOU!?!? <_<

..but it's sad this kind of thing is even a joke.

WHERE ON EARTH do they get these RIDICULOUS sexist ideas from????

If mohammad was so great and 'God-like' why F would he make women equal to dirt??

The muslim men treat their flippin DOGS BETTER than their wives...

When I drop my brother off to his school (grade 7), his 2 sullaa friends are ALWAYS there playing outside..

and guess what?

The mothers of those 2 sullaas drop their daughters off RIGHT when the bell is about to ring.

Oh and... the sisters are in grade EIGHT...

That's messed...

One of my sister's friends (grade 10) gets beat up by her dad almost every day with his belt.

Not cuz he think she's acting out..

Not cuz he thinks she's talking back..

Not cuz he spotted her with a guy (would never anyway cuz her YOUNGER (by 2 yrs) brother has to ALWAYS accompany her no matter where she is (except for classes. but he never lets her off school premises.))

Not cuz she doesn't work around the house.

He beats her cuz she gets less than 95(s) in w/e class(s)...!!

Oh but wait..... Her brother can play all day, go out, come home late drunk, not go to school just cuz he doesn't want to, get new game stations for each birthday (while she gets $20. wow...) all while he gets Cs & Ds (around 65% & lower, I'm pretty sure)

She cooks and cleans at home.

She cleans her BROTHERS room.. disgusting!

She's responsible for taking care of her baby brother when her mom doesn't want to.

He physically attacks her with a belt or the wooden hockey stick before locking her up in her room when she receives less than a 95% mark.

She's sooooo skinny so you could imagine.

Doesn't end there...

Here's the worst part...

Lastly...sadly... She is already engaged to a guy from Pakistan who is 12-13 (cant remember.. but in the double-digits) years older than her.. who she HAS to marry as soon as she graduates from high school (age 18)...

After high school, she can't go to school. Can't have a job cuz she can't be "alone" so she can't do anything then.)

I asked her, "What on Earth is the point of making you get 95%s if you're not even gonna attend school after that?!?!"

She said, "So that I don't have no free time for 'normal' things."

Her parents tell everyone that they are SO RELIGIOUS and that they follow the Kuraan as much as possible.

The insensitive father once said that he is very connected to God. :6 w.t.f??

I told her to move out somehow cuz that's all INSANE!

She was BORN IN CANADA.. and she has to go through this...??

What's the point of moving to a country if you're gonna follow the same Fd up rules in your previous country?

Well of course!!!!!.....

It's to spread convert people.

These people have no less than 5 kids man...

Ages are always like 25..21..15..12..7..& Newborn

If her parents are following the Kuraan as much as they can.. I wonder can imagine what stuff it says..

This Afghan girl I used to work with would say the most frightening thing every single weekend I worked with her.

She always says "Honestly. If you read the Kuraan, you'll find who you are. It's so rich and it has the answers to all your questions. You should read it some time. No really, you should."

....... Umm... no...thank you. :6 :6 :6

I'd rather not be associated with people who believe it is okay for men to drag women in dirt.

Don't the stupid, punjabi Sikh girls think about that before eloping with them etc..???

yeah, always have my club/rugra with me for when ever i wish to drink some degh (note : it wasa joke so I hope no one goes off in a tangent with their anti sukhniddan views)

this what caveman looks like when he drinks too much degh!

note : caveman never ties a dastaar or wears a kashera or has his shastar on him ie kara or pesh kabz is caveman going to narak? LOOOOL :rolleyes:

Your hair's better than Homers :lol:

do you guys remember this picture!?!?! LOOOL

It aint funny.. <_<

i said on a post a while ago one of my friends in my business class wanted me to say the ''rasssoul'' thats the bit muslims say when they say mohammed is the true prophit no one else is as good or what ever allah only one etc.

but the reason he wanted to convert me is because i can 'dance' through enemy formations without being harmed and i can merge with weapons! and kill thousands

Real Ques is.. What do they find, in their religion, to be better than others..?

It doesn't make sense. They have nothing to offer to Sikhs, better than what we have.

Why on Earth are they even trying?

I mean.. We're talking about a religion that fits the needs and wants of ONLY MEN.

Their men can have several wives slaves. Their men can wear w/e, while the women must feel total discomfort in those scary-looking costumes. The 60 yr old men can marry 16 yr old women girls.

If we're talking about what sullaas want to achieve and spread... Read 'A Thousand Splendid Suns'. It's disturbing and quite sad..

thats heaven for some guys! LOl sorry for that joke everyone I just wanted people to smile once in a while lol.

indeed islam is the way forward if you want to treat your wife with no respect and have loads of wives. I believe some men do get attracted to the whole case of its ok to have as many women as I want etc, worst case scenario is if some poor sole was reading that he would get so and so many virgins in heaven and goes and blows himself up as a martyr just for that lol

That's a sickening joke...really it is..

Heaven my *ss..

Only fools think of stupid rules that please only men.. and to think it's acceptable in the eyes of God.

The women in Nepal who have more than one husband are in heaven as well eh.. :rolleyes:

Yooooooooooooo!!

WASAAAAAAAAP YALL???

Niiiiiice thread!!

And to whoever said that this brings back memories of the thread where people had to post about the person above.. I agree

That thread was so long ago..

Wow.. I aint been postin on SS for a while lol

Anyway.. that was my participation in this randomness event.. :lol:

greetings, we are known as the off topic people, meet me caveman, anvit, jas,live to love, harsimrat and a few more but i cant remember their names lol.

but all you need to know caveman is the coolest out of everyone here oh yes

Why, Thank you.

So do you live with the flintstones?

i said on a post a while ago one of my friends in my business class wanted me to say the ''rasssoul'' thats the bit muslims say when they say mohammed is the true prophit no one else is as good or what ever allah only one etc.

but the reason he wanted to convert me is because i can 'dance' through enemy formations without being harmed and i can merge with weapons! and kill thousands

Real Ques is.. What do they find, in their religion, to be better than others..?

It doesn't make sense. They have nothing to offer to Sikhs, better than what we have.

Why on Earth are they even trying?

I mean.. We're talking about a religion that fits the needs and wants of ONLY MEN.

Their men can have several wives slaves. Their men can wear w/e, while the women must feel total discomfort in those scary-looking costumes. The 60 yr old men can marry 16 yr old women girls.

If we're talking about what sullaas want to achieve and spread... Read 'A Thousand Splendid Suns'. It's disturbing and quite sad..

Bottom line:Sullaas are SINCERELY, SERIOUSLY, and FORCEFULLY tryin to take over the world.

(No. I'm not being sarcastic or funny.)

It's actually very, very disgusting. So many sullees have tried to make me one of them. blink.gif

Like that's ever gonna happen anyway dry.gif

I'm a girl who ties a dastaar.. If so many of them have tried to convert ME, think about what they're being taught and what they will do.

I thought it was happening mostly in UK (converting Sikh girls to Islam). Has that started to happen in Canada as well?

Errr... I don't know if it's as common in Canada.

What I do know is that, compared to the UK, there's way less 'chaos' and idiocy in Canada.

..and I've heard a fair amount of those stories in Canada.

Then again.. 1 of these stories is fair enough for me..

Another big contributor to this problem is bollywood... Many i.d.i.o.t.s can't live without following the stupidity in those movies.

...peace

i'll be honest and say i only said 'some guys' because i'm such a good outstanding guy.ahem.

thats not what i said. what i'm saying is that it will take something drastic to shake her from the idea her life is perfect now she is 'popular'.

in another thread i had a go at those gurudwara committee members who came here in the 60s, got a haircut to get a job, started drinking/gambling, got a gori girlfriend even if they had a wife back in the punjab etc but then became 'religous' again just to take control of a gurudwara. all of them who did that were men. its just that this thread was started by a girl and i wanted to put across what some so-called religous girls do. but what the bad men get up to is as bad but not identical, so i didnt make it a genderless point.

but i did say somewhere that those of my older mates who got married and now have problems are guys, and the women i know dont seem to have any problems. thats also why i said maybe women dont have these problems or have other ways of dealing with it. but i'm not denying that sikh girls may face the same problems with their husbands.

..but you agree that the "religious-boy-goes-wild-then-pretends-to-come-back-to-faith thing" is equally as common nowadays, right? smile.gif

of course.

Cool. :D

...peace

i agree with everything this bhenji above said and girl better read it out carefully cuz thats the truth right there and it s all in ur face and if u dont like it ..welll too bad cuz the truth always hurts

Yeah.. I'm really hoping she understands her situation and condition.

It's not like her so-called friends who stick by her no matter what will help her anyway..

I wonder if she even thought about that...

If they really DID stick by her no matter what, then why would she ask for peoples' opinions online?

She's asking for help from people she doesn't know ANYTHING about.. and yet says she has these friends who stick by her no matter what

That's F'd in my opinion.

After reading her first 2 posts, I can't believe she was worried about her first kiss.. :6

Request to mods... I think Khalsa_Girl_1 bhenjee has summed it all up for the original poster, so let's close this thread :D

Agreed :lol:

MOD NOTE: At requeset of sangat......Topic is Closed

Mod Note: Khalsa Girl, your response was deemed to be innapropriate and offensive and therfore has been edited. If the picture offends you so much, instead of jumping to conclusions, please get in touch with Gurmustak Singh through his website and ask for clarification on what this picture represents......When you have that response feel free to share that back with the sangat.........consider this a pre warning

...we ignore all the teahings that happen to be a little more difficult than wearing a kara....

Respect

Bottom line: Sullaas are SINCERELY, SERIOUSLY, and FORCEFULLY tryin to take over the world.

(No. I'm not being sarcastic or funny.)

It's actually very, very disgusting. So many sullees have tried to make me one of them. :6

Like that's ever gonna happen anyway <_<

I'm a girl who ties a dastaar.. If so many of them have tried to convert ME, think about what they're being taught and what they will do.

Sikhs in one area of Pakistan are now being forced to pay 100 000Rs if they do not convert.

I thought honor killings are only carried out in muslim families nowadays.

This is a serious question..

Do the males really feel better after carrying out these honor killings?

There should be a lot of guys in Punjab killed this way too cuz of the things they do that girls don't do.

Oh but.. That will never happen cuz of the F'd up mentality that exists thanks to the stupid hindu + sullaa rules that many "sikhs" follow..

Sexism, anyone?

Gold is actually bad for the heart. It's in Gurubaanee. I'll post something proving this when I find it.

Harimandar Sahib has gold on it because it is Harimandar Sahib. <_<

It's the most sacred place. It needs to be unique.

Anyway...

Wear silver. It's cool. Literally

Yooooooooooooo!!

WASAAAAAAAAP YALL???

Niiiiiice thread!!

And to whoever said that this brings back memories of the thread where people had to post about the person above.. I agree

That thread was so long ago..

Wow.. I aint been postin on SS for a while lol

Anyway.. that was my participation in this randomness event.. :lol:

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

Could someone explain the purpose of the Bunga in Dumala's like what do they represent etc please. I would appreciate as much information you could provide about the Dumala's and like Bunge.

Thank you.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ke Fateh

What does Bunga mean?

& what does Bunge mean?

i agree with everything this bhenji above said and girl better read it out carefully cuz thats the truth right there and it s all in ur face and if u dont like it ..welll too bad cuz the truth always hurts

Yeah.. I'm really hoping she understands her situation and condition.

It's not like her so-called friends who stick by her no matter what will help her anyway..

I wonder if she even thought about that...

If they really DID stick by her no matter what, then why would she ask for peoples' opinions online?

She's asking for help from people she doesn't know ANYTHING about.. and yet says she has these friends who stick by her no matter what

That's F'd in my opinion.

After reading her first 2 posts, I can't believe she was worried about her first kiss.. :6

I hope my reasoning can be understood after reading the following.. :|

.......

lol, i said girls (as a plural as there is more than one), and i said all religions. the reason i said that is because muslimahs and catholic/jewish girls do the same kind of thing. some guys do bad stuff as well but what they do is not identical. i hope you understand.

I was pointing out the fact that you came across as a person who believes girls do more inappropriate things than guys.

So I wanted to make clear, the fact that guys and girls equally behave inappropriately.

If you agree to the fact that guys and girls are equally wrong in today's society, then why do you insist on expressing yourself in ways that seem sexist?

I mean.. You did it again in your last post that I'm replying to right now:

"...the reason i said that is because muslimahs and catholic/jewish girls do the same kind of thing. some guys do bad stuff as well but what they do is not identical. i hope you understand."

I mean.. This is exactly what I pointing out in my previous post.

You say "...MUSLIMAHS AND CATHOLIC/JEWISH GIRLS..." and then you say

"...SOME GUYS..."

Hmm.... If that isn't contradicting yourself (yet, again).. What is..?

*****When stating two opinions after another, they should know how to put together/differenciate the two.

If I said:

"Guys are stupid." "Some girls are stupid."

How would people will interpret that? Won't people think I believe that, while guys are stupid, just "some" girls are stupid..?

Saying only the word 'guys', I would be talking about guys in general. Using 'some girls', I would be talking about certain individuals.

Clearly, I'd be stating different opinions on the two subjects.

Like I mentioned before..

If you don't believe girls are worse/more likely to do inappropriate things, then you why do you CLEARLY use different words for the two genders when expressing your views?...

I'm really just trying to point out the fact that you come across as a person who believes girls do more inappropriate things than guys..

I wanted to make clear, the fact that guys and girls equally behave inappropriately.

If you agree to the fact that guys and girls are equally wrong in today's society, then why do you insist on using statements that seem sexist? :6

......

I'm sorry.. but I don't understand why you continue to contradict yourself.

I don't think my reasoning can be any clearer than what you, yourself, stated..

GIRLS ...and then... SOME GUYS

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it is sad, but i've seen this happen to people, and once they lose faith or get greedy, they wont realise what they've done until they crash. one of my friends went completely off the rails once and we all tried to help him. but he threw it back in our faces and was just totally unreasonable. it was only until he realised he couldnt have a bad lifestyle/attitude and be a good person that he changed.

Do you doubt that the original poster can change? :umm:

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...lol, your reply to my post wasnt really going to help her was it? if anything it gives her the excuse to say 'if sikh guys do it (and even if they dont), i can do what i want!'. ...

...lol... That post was just for you, actually. :lol:

It offends girls when someone thinks of us like you do. (Your posts make it seem like you believe girls worse when it comes to 'right or wrong' anyway.. That's what I was trying to point out.)

Clearly, I was responding to your comments.

...

You're prejudging again.

As I mentioned in my previous post.. She didn't give a hint of that thought.

People (girls) in the west don't use senseless methods.. like using that excuse.. to do what they want. That would be ridiculous.

For you to think that I was GIVING her an excuse just blows my mind man..

Please reread this statement I posted earlier:

..The original poster never said she wanted to do things cuz guys do it. She said just said she finds her current lifestyle fun.. :S ..

I think you should have more faith in her. At least she realizes that she's wrong.

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if i had said 'all girls of all religions', then your reasoning would be correct. but i didnt. once again i was not aiming that comment at all girls.

I'm glad to hear that you weren't aiming that comment at all girls.. but.. like I said..

***If you SERIOUSLY don't believe there's a difference between the two, then PLEASE don't express your views by focusing on ONE of the genders. .. You shouldn't have focused on one gender..

(Would've been cool if you didn't) but you DID, therefore leaving an impression that you didn't want left of you; Me thinking you are sexist. I think it's reasonable for one to think someone is sexist when she/he focuses on the negative characteristics of certain individuals of just ONE gender.

***When I read your first post, ONLY read negative comments about GIRLS of all religions.

That made it seem like you view all girls the same way.

It just doesn't make any sense man. As I mentioned earlier...

***If you think girls and guys are equally immature/stupid these days, then your choice of words were incorrect and misleading.

You stated:

"...but i didnt. once again i was not aiming that comment at all girls. ..."

Then you COULD HAVE stated it in a different way.. For example:

"..her attitude is so typical of people (of all religions) nowadays."

However, you didn't.

So please say what you mean, and mean what you say. Otherwise, it confuses people and, in this case, may make some some people think you're sexist.

I'm really sorry if you view my opinion of you being a sexist is incorrect.. but by going over certain statements you made, I hope you understand why I think you are.

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i'm sorry but i really think you need to read things properly. this is what i said: 'i just didnt mention what guys get up to, and trust me i know that some of them are a hell of a lot worse than any woman could be.'

Yes.. Well I corrected myself later:

...After reading your previous post, I'm sure I wasn't the only one who thought you were bashing girls. (Especially after reading your very first comments.)

So it's cool.. knowing that you don't feel this certain way about girls only. (Your previous post, however, was very misleading though.)

Your first post left the wrong impression..and it was your first post I was getting at. (Where you only mentioned negative aspects of girls, while sympathizing with the "poor" guys.)

I think you should reread your first post as well.

You sympathize with what guys go through.. Although girls go through the same things.

So why?? Why use examples that only apply to one gender? :6

That (first) post of yours is the reason why I believed you are sexist.

After reading that post again, you're not seriously blaming for me having that opinion of you; are you? :umm:

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...also i have only posted twice on this thread. so maybe you should be clearer about what posts you are reffering to. ...

I WAS pretty clear about what posts I was referring to.

I know you had only posted once.. and I pointed that out:

...After reading your previous post...

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yes, but when someone asks 'why did you do it?' the answer is usually about blaming guys.

:6 I don't know what kind of community you live in.. but I don't know of ANY girl who used that as an excuse.

That's absurd.

The only place girls use that as an excuse is a place where they have little/no rights.. cuz they are oppressed and feel the need to gain equal rights. That's how all equal rights are given anyway...

However, in Canada and America.. That's NOT the case.

Whoever uses that excuse is an i.d.i.o.t. and needs to get a life..

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... ..........(Why are you relating this sort of thing to her thread anyway???)...

maybe because the religous-girl-goes-wild-then-pretends-to-come-back-to-faith thing is all too common nowadays.

..but you agree that the "religious-boy-goes-wild-then-pretends-to-come-back-to-faith thing" is equally as common nowadays, right?

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I do NOT need to see a counselor.

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I DON'T need counseling.

alright, alright, i wasnt going to force you.

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:|

I'm glad I don't have to be fearful.

Well.. I hope I'm understood now.

Sorry if offended you. I was just responding according to my opinion: Your first post made it seem like you're sexist.

Anyway... I hope that girl realizes that she needs psychological treatment.

all right sister, calm down. firstly it is not titled 'bashing girls'. maybe you should see a counsellor as your post was quite a paranoid reaction. threads about what sikh girls get up to on this forum usually appear at the rate of 2-3 a month - and each time i have said that guys do a lot of bad things as well. but that does not detract from the stuff girls get up to. read my post again. nowhere did i say it was just girls who do it. i just didnt mention what guys get up to, and trust me i know that some of them are a hell of a lot worse than any woman could be. most of my older mates who have problems happen to be guys though. maybe the women just put up with it or go a bit psycho and get their own back on their husband for lying, i dont know. but my point is that sikh girls cant hide behind this attitude that guys get up to it, so i can do what i want. the truth is that most guys dont. its just a handful - but a lot of guys brag about things they have never done. when i was at college there was a bunch of desi girls (i wont call them sikh) who got up to all sorts. and they all went on about how the guys did it so why cant we? the truth is most of the sikh guys didnt do anything like what they got up to, but it was a convenient excuse for them. if you get married and your husband turns around and says 'i lied, i actually had a lot of girlfriends, but you cant blame me, as sikh girls got up to the same things', how would you feel?

Reading your post, it seemed like the bubble you were in at the time most likely had "bashing girls" written on it. Sorry if you think that's absurd.. but the things you said made it seem like you were.. looking down on females.. thinking that they were the only ones to do/go through stupid things/times.

If that wasn't/isn't how you feel, then you should reread your first statement:

...bloody hell, her attitude is so typical of girls of all religions nowadays....

That's your first quote right there man..

Now you tell me.. Isn't that directly pointing at all girls?.. It's kind of right in that sentence. Now if that's not an example of bashing girls; what is??

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all right sister, calm down. firstly it is not titled 'bashing girls'. maybe you should see a counselor as your post was quite a paranoid reaction.

I don't need to calm down. I'm pretty calm.

And I don't need to see a counselor just because YOU think my post was 'quite a paranoid reaction'.

I'm not paranoid.

I'm just quite disgusted and annoyed by the things the the original poster mentioned because she says she wants to get into Sikhi... but then says she wants to continue living the way she knows is wrong. Don't you find that a little sad?

Maybe you don't understand how I feel because I'm an Amrit-dhari girl, just like she used to be.

For me, knowing that she's an Amrit-dhari girl who...

(a.) wants to get back into Sikhi but

(b.) wishes to keep the same no-good lifestyle she knows is wrong,

(c.) thinks it's no fun being an Amrit-dhari

(d.) wants to do all the things girls feel pressured to do in todays society

(e.) disliked being an Amrit-dhari

(f.) thinks it's amazing/cool having guys run after her

(g.) thinks it's so hard to be an Amrit-dhari girl schooling in america...

is annoying.

I'm just being honest, because I don't think her "friends" will be.

My paranoia shouldn't be bothering you anyway, right?

I'm just trying to be honest with the original poster cuz I'm sure the people around her are dishonest.

I'm just trying to help her man..

But if you see my brutal honesty as a sign for me needing a counseling, then I can say that you get affected by things too easily. I don't need to see a counselor.

You think I should see a counselor just because I was being honest in my post to help her out?

Think about that man.. You're not making sense.

Like I said.. I'm trying to help her.

I don't know where you got the idea of me needing help. :S

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read my post again. nowhere did i say it was just girls who do it.

Maybe YOU should read your own post again.

bloody hell, her attitude is so typical of girls of all religions nowadays.

If you didn't mean for it to seem like you think only girls behave this way, then it wasn't necessary for you to say "typical of all girls of all religions nowadays"..

To me, you clearly pointed at ALL girls of ALL religions.

If I were to say "It's so typical for guys of all religions to ____________" , maybe then you would understand how I feel about you saying certain things about girls.. Doesn't make sense.

You used the words 'TYPICAL', 'GIRLS', 'ALL' 'religions'..

I only pointed out what you, yourself, had stated.

But if you think that I got the wrong idea, about you not feeling the same way for guys, then please replace the word 'girls' with 'guys' and maybe you'll understand why I had a "paranoid" reaction.

You're contradicting yourself. If you don't view certain actions as 'TYPICAL' of 'ALL' 'GIRLS' of 'ALL' religions.. Then you should have spoken about people in general.. instead of CLEARLY using those words.

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...i just didnt mention what guys get up to, and trust me i know that some of them are a hell of a lot worse than any woman could be. most of my older mates who have problems happen to be guys though...

Why didn't you mention that guys are the same/worse? (Even though we all know that.)

After reading your previous post, I'm sure I wasn't the only one who thought you were bashing girls. (Especially after reading your very first comments.)

So it's cool.. knowing that you don't feel this certain way about girls only. (Your previous post, however, was very misleading though.)

...but my point is that sikh girls cant hide behind this attitude that guys get up to it, 'so i can do what i want'...

That wasn't mentioned in this thread. The original poster never mentioned anything that would indicate she believes she can do what she wants because guys do it.

You're clearly not familiar with how girls think. Almost all girls who do those kinds of things don't do it because guys do it...

They do it because society does it. In the west, guys and girls do the same thing. It's not about a girl being rebellious.

Girls aren't hiding behind an attitude like "Oh but if guys can do it, so can I." This is the west we're talking about.

The original poster never said she wanted to do things cuz guys do it. She said just said she finds her current lifestyle fun.. :S

...the truth is that most guys dont. its just a handful...

OMG OMG OMG OMG!

Did you know..??? The truth is that most girls don't either. It's just a handful.

Just like guys...

I hope I've proven my (original) point here.

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...but a lot of guys brag about things they have never done. when i was at college there was a bunch of desi girls (i wont call them sikh) who got up to all sorts. and they all went on about how the guys did it so why cant we? the truth is most of the sikh guys didnt do anything like what they got up to, but it was a convenient excuse for them...

Let me narrow that down...

...but a lot of guys brag about things they have never done...a bunch of desi girls / all went on about how the guys did it so why cant we? the truth is most of the sikh guys didnt do anything like what they got up to, but it was a convenient excuse for them.

You're saying that guys brag about doing things that they never did. That's understandable cuz that's how it usually goes. Then you mention how girls do things just cuz guys do them..

You say that the girls are using this as a convenient excuse for themselves..????

And could please prove how most sikh guys didn't do anything like what they got up to?

Were you right there, witnessing what the guys/girls did/didn't do???

Buddy, buddy.. Listen to yourself. You're clearly biased... :|

Besides.. To say that "girls went on about how the guys did stuff, so why can't they" ...isn't really making a point. (Especially in this thread.)

Girls are bragging the same way the guys are..

Everyone's the same man..

|||__Girls and guys__||| They're the same when it comes to bragging about these sort of things. It's what people do when they feel the need to belong, or be the same as the rest.

It's peer pressure, that's all.

Everyone goes through it.. but whether it affects a person positively or negatively, is up solely up to the individual.

As I pointed out earlier.. The original poster never mentioned anything that would indicate she believes she can do what she wants because guys do it.

She's doing it because of peer pressure.

..........(Why are you relating this sort of thing to her thread anyway???)

I can't feel sympathetic towards her though. That's because instead of peer pressure coming directly from her peers.. SHE'S the one who is putting pressure on herself to fit in the crowd. It's just a different way of experiencing peer pressure. (In her case, a pathetic way.. cuz she's the cause of it.)

She feels the need to belong. She feels insecure.

I MEAN HELLO?!?! SHE CLEARLY FEELS GOOD ABOUT HERSELF BEING CHASED BY GUYS AND FEELS BETTER ABOUT HERSELF FITTING INTO THE GROUP OF GIRLS WHO PUT BEAUTY BEFORE MANY OTHER THINGS..!!

That's why I said she needs help. Seriously.. She needs help.

I'm not being rude about it.. I'm not trying to make her feel bad.

I'm simply trying to put it out there in most blunt way possible because a lot of times, people are too caught up in the thought that "everyone's doing the same things as me, so they need help too."

Her situation is a little.. different.

She really doesn't realize the psychological reasoning for her thinking.

She needs to change the way she thinks.

She's mentally stable, but has a weak mindset.

I'm just trying to help her out man.. Cuz she says she knows her way of thinking is wrong.

When a person knows she/he has a negative mindset but still wishes to continue doing things that follow that mindset.. the person needs psychological treatment. It doesn't mean she's psycho.

She just has a weak psychological stand.

And trust me.. I do NOT need to see a counselor.

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...if you get married and your husband turns around and says 'i lied, i actually had a lot of girlfriends, but you cant blame me, as sikh girls got up to the same things', how would you feel?...

I would feel disgusted and beat him up for thinking that it was okay for him to say that.

I'm glad we're on the same page concerning the issue of girls/guys doing things just because guys/girls do.

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Anyway............................

It's obvious that she doesn't want to help herself.

She knows what she needs, but doesn't want to help herself.

She needs counseling because she doesn't know what she wants.

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...Again.. I DON'T need counseling.

...peace

PS..

I don't understand what you meant by:

...maybe the women just put up with it or go a bit psycho and get their own back on their husband for lying, i dont know...

Women go psycho huh?.. but what exactly did you mean by ‘to a bit psycho and get their own back on their husband for lying?

i mean i understand where everyone is coming from but its hard sometimes, i mean being in high school a punjabi kuri and not doin yur eyebrows its hard, and for some reason even though i regret this i still think i will end up drinking again, i dont want people to think i dont care or that i dont want to listen to anyones advice its just that i like this lifestyle, getting my nails done, getting my eyebrows, goin out partying and chillin with friends its fun,

but when i was an amritdhari, i had a handful of friends and i barely had fun on a daily basis, i would only have fun at samagams, now i am one of the most popular girls in ny, i have guys running after me and i have friends that stand by me no matter what and who i can chill with whenever i want..

i guess my outlook on life is really wrong and i want to go back to my sikhi life cuz i think i had less stress then and i was more calm, but i have more fun now...

ive never had a boyfriend..so im not a <banned word filter activated> or anythin...and if i kissed this guy then its my first kiss and it sucks i will never remember it...

i calld the guy and i asked what happened and he said dont worry abuh it...so i ask agn do you guys think we did anything ?

thank you...

I'm being totally honest about this...

You need professional counselling.

If you're complaining about how it wasn't 'fun' when you were Amrit-dhari, then what advice do you want from people?

Honestly.. You're saying you want/need help. The things you say you want contradicts your words man..

Like I said, go seek counselling. Figure yourself out man...

You're disgusting, really. It's because of girls like you, why people think most girls are easy. Here, you're saying that you want to be a better Sikh, but you're saying you enjoy/want to continue doing the ridiculously non-Sikhi things...? Stand your ground, girl. You're so weak, it's despicable.

Yes, yes. It's very hard sometimes to not do your eyebrows and stuff.. umm.. Not!

Girl.. The more you do your eyebrows etc now, the more you're gonna regret it later on.

I've been living in a hick-town for a while, and was surrounded by white people in high school.

I didn't do my eyebrows or nothing. I wasn't trying to be popular or anything, and I was popular. Only the girls hated me. Now think about that man. Be yourself, and you'll be liked. Don't be a certain way cuz you want to be liked.

That's fake and F'n ridiculously idiotic.

The 'F you saying and the 'F you trying to prove?? It doesn't make sense how you're saying you want to get back into Sikhi, but then saying how you like doing those kinds of things.. and even saying how you think you'll do it again. You're not ready for commitment man. Do you have any self-respect or dignity? Guys are gonna come and go man. There's really no need of feeling a sense of pride when there are guys following you... Because really.. It's the ONE commitment in life on Earth that you have to pay attention to.. and that's your future husband... your soul mate.

Then, of course, is Guru ji. That's the one commitment you have to focus on spiritually.

You're insecure man.. You need help. Please go to a counselor as soon as possible.

You're saying that you feel good living that type of lifestyle..??

Ok.. Why don't you get drunk again.

Let's see how cool, popular you are when you get raped by some random guy.

I should mention the part where STD comes in... Right after the above. ^^^

If you like doing all the idiotic things, then continue.. By all means, continue.

Doesn't seem like you're serious about life, anyway.

You're just proving that you're pretty. ...lame.

I pity girls like you.. except with you.. there's nothing to sympathize about in your case. Since you chose to do things like you mentioned cuz you enjoy that lifestyle... Just doesn't make sense man.. Doesn't make sense how you're asking for help, if you're not willing enough to help yourself.

You WANT to get your eyebrows done.

(So what do you want? People hired to tell you that you look gorgeous without getting your brows done?)

You WANT to get your nails done etc. (btw.. Don't include nails in this discussion cuz it's completely different than what you're speaking of.)

You WANT to go out partying.

(So go..? What you telling us about?)

You DISLIKED being Amrit-dhari.

(Clearly, you're not ready to take Amrit again. Start off by reciting 'Wah(i)guru'.)

You BARELY had 'FUN' on a daily basis.

(w.t.f? Clearly, you do not know how to have fun then.)

You have GUYS RUNNING AFTER you.

(..uhh...okay? What's your point? That you're easy?)

You admit that your outlook on life is really wrong, and that you want to go back to your Sikhi life cuz you had less stress. (Good for you.)

But then you say that you say, again, that you have more fun now.. (Good.. for you.... ?)

...SO.. What the hell are you getting at, by posting this bs that no one cares about?...

You called him.. and he said 'don't worry about it.'

So why are you worrying? Didn't you mention your friends that stand by you no matter what?

Why don't you go to them?

AWWWWWWWWWWW I feel so sorry for you.. Losing your first kiss. Damn.. Must be hard.. Are you for real?

... Sis.. You need to understand that missing out on remembering your first kiss shouldn't make you worry about not remembering it.. but should make you worry about what situation you got yourself into. You could have been in a worse situation, and you're worried about a kiss?????

I really can't believe you called that guy. You said he was your friend! So much for the friends that stand by you no matter what, eh? Even if he was a person who acted as your best friend, he wouldn't say much after what happened between you two. (Which is despicable, of course.. cuz of the fact that you're thinking of getting back into Sikhi.. but OH WAIT!.. You want to keep your current lifestyle in motion. Just amazing, isn't it?)

what am i supposed to do now? call the guy and ask him what happened? or just let it go...

can yu answer my ques first and then tell me how to be a better sikh....thnak yu

Why would you even think of calling that guy now?!?! Is there something wrong with you?

You can become a better Sikh by

A.) Start doing Naam Simran whenever you can. Listen to it as you fall asleep.

B.) Deleting the so-called friends that 'stand by you no matter what'

C.) Stop and ask yourself what you're getting out of going out to drink etc.

D.) Get into sports etc.

E.) Start spending more time with your parents.

* F.) Understand that you, seriously, have a spychological problem.

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bloody hell, her attitude is so typical of girls of all religions nowadays. girls like that come from religous families but get bored and start doing all this stuff as teenagers up until they leave uni. after they leave uni after getting up to god knows what, they're a bit older, not as good looking and have to face the problems of being truly independent. at this point they come back into their religion and act as if they didnt know what they were doing and that everyone should forget what they got up to. they become quasi-religious and look down on those who arent as superficial about religion as they are or those who dont praise them for their 'piety'. then they demand their parents (who either had the wool pulled over their eyes or just brush what happened under the carpet) get them hitched to some naive sod who is rich (usually dentists/accountants or sometimes doctors). that poor guy ends up in a marriage to someone he thinks is really great because of what his parents were told by his prospective in-laws who are a 'good family', as they say. after getting hitched he realises what a two-faced, deceitful, 'narinder kaur'-esque nutcase she is. oh well, thats just my two pence from what i've seen happen to people 5-10 years older than me.

Sorry to burst your bubble titled 'Bashing Girls'.. but guys do the EXACT same things as girls. Then, the poor girl ends up marrying someone she thinks is really great cuz of what her parents were told by her prospective in-laws who are a 'good family', as they say. After getting 'hitched' she realizes what a two-faced, deceitful, 'narinder singh' nutcase he is.

oh well, that's just facts that we can't hide from.

Anyway..

I hope the original poster seeks a counselor soon.

...Peace

http://uk.truveo.com/pakistan-taliban-tax-...s/id/3238970794

Something should be done about this...

Ya.. Like maybe the Indian, Pakistan, and American armies should actually stop these f'd up terrorists from destroying innocent peoples' lives, instead of sending their troops to the other countries just to get oil or w/e it is they want/need.

When did Sikhs ever do anything to harm a certain group of people?

Honestly, muslims are very scary.

It's getting scarier and scarier each day. The women in Pakistan are, now, not allowed to exit their homes. Many Sikh families' homes were destroyed, and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they are targeting places of.. (I won't even say it.)

Disgusting, and scary. They're just so disgusting, making their 'many wives' and women cover themselves from head to toe while they go around seeking other women to marry (use as slaves for various purposes). Honestly.. It's just disgusting.

Scary and despicable.

'Untouchable' woman dies after Indian medics refuse treatment

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jcMJnB...uSncrG1Q6M0Aq9g

That's too messed. There are such things as latex gloves that are used when providing medical aid. :6

...honestly...

and I don't mean that they should use the gloves because they are helping someone from a different 'caste'. Gloves are to be used anyway.. I hope :6

What I meant was.. If a doctor is refusing to help the 'untouchables' when in need of medical aid, then who else will go near 'them'? Might as well open "'so-and-so' Hospital"s

This is ridiculous. When a person is following Sikhi, why should anything else matter?

My mother tells me I cannot marry someone from outside ____ because people 'lower' than 'us' have different ways of living. That may be so in India, because of the , already existing, segregation, but when people move to other countries, this thing should not be looked at all.

Even in India, it should change. However, the people living in the 'slums' and poorer areas are more likely to be doing drugs etc. Actually, the people who take care of our houses in India take drugs. but... They are actually Amrit-dhari... Doing drugs etc. Although my parents have tried to stop them, they don't listen because that is what their parents, and their parents' parents (etc) were living like... Which results in my parents telling me that even if I were to marry a person who is Amrit-dhari, he may not be physically 'clean' because of the drugs etc taken. I can understand her point of view, but we can't just leave things the way they are. If people are not given chances to change/do better, then how do we expect prosperous communities/countries?

Plus, even the Jatts are taking drugs now.. So this mindset should obviously change.

Instead of continuing this stupid ideology by keeping/growing the gaps because of segregation, people should realize that every person should be given equal chances and opportunities.

If a person born in a 'lower caste' was adopted into a family of 'higher caste' and followed everything that family did, the person would be looked at differently.. (I hope).

So it really does depend on backgrounds and upbringings within families, that divide 'a people' into 'peoples'.

Just like this, we have:

- Nanaksaree Gurudwaras

- Jatt Gurudwaras (that I just found out about :S )

- Dalit Gurudwaras (that I just found out about...)

- Ramgharian Gurudwaras

- NaamDhaaree Gurudwaras

..etc

Even in countries like Canada, there are Dalit and Ramgharian Gurudwaras.

Meaning.. what, exactly? ..... That people going to different Gurudwaras follow the same, ONE amazing religion, differently than others? That's pretty stupid, and against Sikhi.

I believe it's up to the younger generation to stop the continuation of this idiotic idea, of separating people because of their... 'oooooh Last Name'... Ridiculous, really.

i beleive bhenji's post above has no arguement aainst it

*AvnitK... If your comment was about me/my post, and you think that I am not against tattooing when following Sikhi, please reread this, and my previous post.

Like I had mentioned more than once, please do not judge my statements, (from my previous post(s)) when relating them to (what you believe is/are my) opinion(s) on this 'tattooing matter.' I had asked for people to not prejudge my views, deciding on whether I am against/for/disagreeing, or agreeing with the fact that a person can or cannot get tattooed as an Amrit-dhari.

I had clearly mentioned that:

... (i am not debating about whether her decision was right or wrong. just generally speaking.) ...

... leaving my right-or-wrong opinion out of this, i hope everyone realizes that the above comment should have been thought of before posting. ...

*AvnitK... If you thought otherwise, then I apologize, and please ignore this post. However, if you did think that I am against, or not against tattooing, then please make sure you have read this post.

...peace