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  1. http://www.citysikhs.org.uk/track-record/

    The Journey and Track Record of City Sikhs

    City Sikhs have a strong track record in delivering high-value innovative projects and collaborations. Here is a summary of our work and journey:



    • Onkardeep Singh (youngest south Asian ever awarded) and Jagdev Singh Virdee both awarded MBEs and Krish Raval advisory board member awarded an OBE
    • A historic event celebrating the life of Princess Sophia Duleep Singh held in Parliament and supported by the Women’s Vote Centenary Grant Scheme
    • City Sikhs organise their second Vaisakhi in the Square with the Mayor of London’s office
    • New annual series of ‘Politics in the City’ setup in partnership with CHN
    • Historic launch of an annual Midlands launch of the British Sikh Report
    • Organised 2 events in partnership with the Home Office to encourage more applications from Gurdwaras for the Places of Worship security funding scheme
    • City Sikhs is awarded £10000 to support mental health for the British Sikh community by the National Lottery Fund
    • The British Sikh Report team officially split away from City Sikhs into a separate charitable trust
    • 7000 members and growing


    • Jasvir Singh and Dr Kamel Hothi both awarded OBEs
    • Charity name rebranded to “City Sikhs”
    • City Sikhs becomes a partner in the “Grand Trunk” project launched at the Guild Hall focusing on stories of partition
    • Strong relationship with the Football Association who provide 300 tickets for matches valued at £10,000 to encourage more Sikhs into watching Football
    • City Sikhs become an official partner for the Vaisakhi in the Square with the Mayor of London’s office
    • Sixth Sikh inspired corporate panel discussion in the city in partnership with BDO accounting firm
    • City Sikhs and City Hindus Network organise their second joint general election hustings in partnership with the Chartered Insurance Institute


    • Strong relationships developed between a variety of government bodies and City Sikhs
    • Jasvir Singh becomes chair of Faith Forum for London greatly increasing the profile of City Sikhs in interfaith circles
    • Introduction of a mandatory donation based on income for all ambassadors and trustees to provide a new way to fund the charity and increase commitment from volunteers
    • First evening of Indian Classical music held at parliament in partnership with Raj Academy


    • Successful charity registration with the charity commission becoming a “Voice of British Sikhs”
    • First event in Delhi launching City Sikhs India with mixed success
    • London’s largest general election hustings event in partnership with the City Hindus Network and the Insurance Institute paving the way for strong event partnerships between CHN and CSN
    • Cancellation of City Sikhs Diwali Ball in protest from some Sikh organisations regarding a black Diwali and cancellation of all future social networking events and as a result loss of only revenue stream


    • First flagship Sikh interfaith event in partnership with St Paul’s cathedral discussing women and faith with an all-female panel
    • First lawyer themed event in partnership with the Association of Asian Women Lawyers
    • Fourth and fifth Sikh inspired corporate panel discussions in the city in partnership with Norton Rose Fullbright law firm and UBS bank respectively
    • First corporate panel discussion event in Birmingham


    • Launch of the first edition of the British Sikh Report which gains widespread publicity in Asian and mainstream media and paves the way for rich data on British Sikhs for the benefit of government agencies, charities, Sikh organisations and the British public supported by Dr Surinder Hundal and Kulveer Ranger
    • Second and third Sikh inspired corporate panel discussion events in the city in partnership with State Street and UBS banks respectively 
    • First Sikh organisation to talk at huge faith events including Limmud and Living Islam


    • London’s only cross party political panel debate with mayoral candidates held in partnership with Deloitte paving the way for stronger connections between parliamentarians and CSN
    • First themed panel discussion held in partnership with Herbert Smith Freehills focusing on Asians and Sport

  2. https://www.pressdemocrat.com/news/9845086-181/sikh-priest-says-he-was

    Sikh priest says he was attacked by masked person in Stanislaus County home

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    HUGHSON — A priest at a Sikh temple in Central California says he was assaulted by a masked person who told him to go back to his country, the Modesto Bee reports .

    Through interpreters, Amarjit Singh says the attacker broke two windows, punched him and shouted obscenities about 9:30 p.m. Thursday before fleeing, the newspaper reports.

    It was "country, country, country, go back, go back, country," Singh said without the help of a translator. He said his attacker had something in his hand to break the windows. Singh says he assumes the intruder ran off in the temple's nearby overflow, dirt parking lot.

    Community members in Stanislaus County called it a "racially motivated attack" against the Sikh community.

    Stanislaus County deputies confirm they received a report saying someone came on to the property and broke two windows.

  3. 53 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

    What you see in kaleh is what happens when for decades there is no father figure in the home.

    Decades of fatherless children brought up by their grandmothers ( you will notice they are always brought up by their grandmothers,  their mothers are nowhere to be seen).



    What do you mean exactly by "What you see in kaleh is what happens when for decades there is no father figure in the home." ?

    Also, my observation is the mothers are often seen but less so the fathers

  4. On 10/5/2018 at 3:53 PM, Big_Tera said:

    Its not the place it is the person. If you are not happy right now in this present time. What makes you think you will be happy if you move. 

    If you are happy then it does not matter where you live. As you will be happy no matter where your home is. 

    However if your moving ie for better job prospects/career, housing, then that is different. Nothing wrong in wanting to move to a better neighbourhood. But you have to move for thw right reasons. 

    Bumping this up.

    Am thinking myself of moving from the UK to somewhere in North America as there is more land/open spaces, and some places a lot better weather (I dislike winters in UK). 

    And, weather can have a big impact on mood unless you are a complete Chardhi kala person. 

  5. 12 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

    Testosterone. It needs to be upped.

    Don't fall for the 'toxic masculinity' lie being pushed by society's engineers. They're currently in the process of emasculating the male body, soul, and mind; makes a takeover relatively straightforward when the males of the world -- who should traditionally band together and provide stern opposition -- are kvetching and succumbing to their neurosis on the sidelines.

    Train your mind, too, else you'll be a strong-bodied individual without the necessary mental abilities to discern when you're being taken for a fool. You'll just be a blunt instrument; muscle for hire without the mental prowess to resort to a Plan B, C, or D when the situation calls for it.

    Can you recommend a good, simple book to read more about this - one I can get from a library or amazon

  6. On 6/18/2019 at 10:14 PM, jkvlondon said:

    Truth is they became 'jews' (God only knows how since they don't have an open door policy ) only because the neighbouring russian/european kingdom had been getting violent and forcing conversion to orthodox christianity and the muslim invaders were making moves so they cut there losses and claimed they were jews , worked well for them they are now 95%Of all jews thusthe cuckoo's egg has taken over the nest

    Can you give me a source for this?  thanks

  7. https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/controlling-boyfriend-raped-partner-made-16245095

    A controlling thug made an ex-partner watch Islamic faith videos to 'become a better girlfriend' while subjecting her to rape and regular beatings.

    Mohammed Khan put the young woman through 18 months of sheer torment and was violent towards her within days of striking up a relationship.

    The victim was brutally attacked by Khan on numerous occasions. He once pinned her against a wardrobe by the throat, while another shocking outburst saw him chip several of her teeth after punching her in the face as they sat in his car.

    In April last year, he sunk to new lows when he orally raped her following a violent argument. 

    The 23-year-old also made his ex-partner watch instructional videos on how to conduct herself and warned she faced consequences − including threats of violence against her and her family − should she reject his advances. 

    Khan's sick behaviour was uncovered after the woman's family contacted West Midlands Police after growing increasingly concerned about the drastic change in her behaviour and appearance.


    Specialist officers from the force’s Public Protection Unit worked with Black Country Women’s Aid to offer her immediate help and support and in April, she plucked up the courage to submit a formal police complaint against Khan, of Woodbourne Road in Smethwick .

    Khan was then charged with four counts of rape and two of coercive control and following a trial at Wolverhampton Crown Court. He was found guilty on one count of rape and the control offences.

    On Thursday (May 2), he was jailed for 12 years and put on the sex offenders register for life.

    The jury found him not guilty on the other rape charges.

    Detective Inspector Cate Webb-Jones from the force’s Public Protection Unit, said: “This young woman completely changed her behaviour in order to please Khan; she missed exams, lied about her injuries and stopped wearing make-up. 

    “Fortunately family members spotted these signs and reported it to the police.

    “Part of Khan’s abuse was teaching her she couldn’t say ‘no’ to him; he warned that if she did he’d go elsewhere for his gratification.

    "And such was the control he had over her, she stayed with him and said she still loved him despite the fact he subjected her to awful physical and sexual violence. 

    "In interview, the woman also told our officers that she was made to watch Islamic faith videos as it would make her a better partner.

    “This is one of the worst cases of coercive control we have seen and I’m pleased that a dangerous offender - one that presents a clear threat to women - has been jailed for a long time."


    Interesting article, I had no idea how diff life was in those days 



    The turban-wearing British bus driver who changed the law

    By Riyah CollinsBBC News
    Tarsem Singh Sandhu, wearing his turban with his bus driver's uniform Image captionTarsem Singh Sandhu fought for two years for the right to wear his turban to work

    Fifty years ago, Sikhs working on Wolverhampton's buses won the right to wear the turban at work. It followed a long-running dispute during which one Sikh man threatened to set himself on fire.

    It was a time when racial tensions there were high, with the city's most famous MP Enoch Powell saying the country was "heaping up its own funeral pyre" by permitting mass immigration.

    The Express and Star newspaper reported the turban dispute "could bring chaos to the town's bus services", but it was not just public transport that faced upheaval. 

    Refusing to remove his turban or shave his beard, Tarsem Singh Sandhu sparked a row that spread across the world and saw the nation's racial tensions and identity politics played out on Black Country double-deckers.

    Tarsem Singh Sandhu in 2019 Image captionMr Sandhu said he was proud he took on the bus company 50 years ago

    "I couldn't see anyone in Wolverhampton at that time with a turban," remembers Mr Sandhu, who arrived in the Midlands in his 20s more than 50 years ago.

    Wolverhampton was different back then, he said. He remembers the racism, the teddy boys, and when he plucked up the courage to wear his turban, colleagues wearing crude mockeries on their heads.

    Soon after arriving, he was pinned down by uncles who cut his hair against his will.

    He would never get a job with a turban, he was told.

    At 23, he began working as a bus driver with Wolverhampton Transport Committee which at the time employed 823 drivers, 411 of whom were Indian. 

    All had signed the uniform policy, agreeing to come to work clean shaven and wearing the uniform cap. None of them wore a turban.

    Bus drivers and conductors outside Wolverhampton bus depot in 1960s Image captionSikhs would shave and cut their hair in order to work on Wolverhampton's buses

    After a short illness in 1967, Mr Sandhu returned to work complete with turban and beard.

    Hair is one of the five Sikh articles of faith for the Khalsa - it must not be cut and is maintained in a turban - and Mr Sandhu decided he could not forgo his religion for the sake of a bus driver uniform.

    After one round trip, he was sent home to shave. He refused.

    "I never thought it would be as big a dispute as it was," Mr Sandhu said, "because there was nothing wrong with what I was doing."

    Wolverhampton bus in the 1960s Image captionAbout half of Wolverhampton's bus drivers were Indian at the time of the dispute

    Fifty years on, a young turban fitter, Vikran Jaat Singh, said more young people than ever are wearing the turban.

    Famously, in June last year, Charanpreet Singh Lall became the first Sikh guardsman to wear a turban during the Trooping the Colour parade.

    "Before, everyone used to cut their hair," Mr Singh said, but he now runs a business fitting turbans for special occasions.

    "If someone says 'go to work without your leg', would you?" he asked. "Turbans are part of us - you can't leave part of yourself behind."

    Coldstream Guards soldier Charanpreet Singh LallImage copyrightPA Image captionCharanpreet Singh Lall became the first guardsman to wear a turban in 2018

    What Mr Sandhu did, according to Opinderjit Takhar, director of the centre for Sikh and Panjabi Studies at the University of Wolverhampton, "is so significant to the lives of Sikhs here in the UK".

    The former bus driver, who still lives in Wolverhampton, modestly said his actions, which went on to change legislation about religious expression at work, were "natural".

    "He showed religion shouldn't take a back seat," Dr Takhar said. "As people realised they were here to stay, they realised they no longer had to compromise on their identity."

    Indian bus driver in Wolverhampton in 1960s Image captionWolverhampton bus drivers had to be clean shaven and wear a cap

    After he was suspended in 1967, Mr Sandhu tried to gain the support of his union, Sikh community groups and local gurdwaras. 

    "They only had one thing to say," Mr Sandhu remembers. "No."

    "Some [Sikh] people supported me; they thought we have done something wrong, we have made a mistake [by cutting their hair], but at least there is one young man who stood up for what is right and we must support him," Mr Sandhu said. 

    "Others thought 'we've come to work in this country and he's creating problems'."

    A group of Indian soldiers doing gas mask trainingImage copyrightIWM Image captionSikh soldiers wore the turban while fighting for the British army

    He turned instead to the Shiromani Akali Dal - the principal Sikh political party of Punjab - and the president of its UK branch, Sohan Singh Jolly.

    "He was a very strong character," Mr Sandhu said. He had been a practising Sikh all his life, serving as a police inspector for the British Raj in Kenya.

    During the British Raj, turbans were accepted as normal. Millions of Sikhs fought for Britain during both world wars, forgoing helmets for their turbans.

    A march through Wolverhampton drew 6,000 Sikhs from across the country to the town hall, demanding change.

    The message was also spreading overseas: A 50,000-strong march was organised through Delhi in support of Mr Sandhu and Mr Jolly.

    Sikhs striking in Wolverhampton with sign reading 'Ban on beards and turban is direct attack on Sikhism' Sikhs striking in Wolverhampton Image captionAbout 6,000 Sikhs from across the UK marched through Wolverhampton demanding the turban ban be lifted

    When nothing happened, Mr Jolly heaped pressure by making the ultimate threat.

    "He said he would burn himself to death," Mr Sandhu said, "because it's not worth living in this country where the discrimination is that much."

    Mr Jolly set a deadline of 30 April 1969 - the Sikh new year - for Wolverhampton Transport Committee to lift the ban on turbans.

    "I am not frightened for anything," he said at the time. "I find it my privilege to sacrifice for the Sikh community."

    Newspaper clipping with image of Sohan Singh Jolly Image captionSohan Singh Jolly threatened to burn himself to death for Mr Sandhu's cause

    But those on the other side of the dispute were also escalating their arguments, with one man in particular rallying support for the ban: Enoch Powell.

    On 20 April 1968, moments before likening himself to the Roman witnessing "the River Tiber foaming with much blood", the MP for Wolverhampton South described the turban dispute as "a cloud no bigger than a man's hand that can so rapidly overcast the sky".

    Powell was sacked after the now infamous Rivers of Blood speech, but his words had already had their impact.

    People thought "he's come to this country he should do what this country does", Mr Sandhu said.

    Powell received strong support from the public, with dockers and meat packers marching in support of him, and the local newspaper was flooded with letters supporting his speech.

    Enoch Powell, campaigning in Wolverhampton in 1970Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES Image captionEnoch Powell said the turban bus dispute threatened to "overcast the sky"

    The Wolverhampton Transport Committee had found itself at the centre of a row which had outgrown the council house.

    Buoyed by the public reaction to Powell's speech, the committee remained firm. 

    In 1968, its chairman Ron Gough told BBC News turbans were never likely to be seen on a Wolverhampton bus.

    However, as Mr Jolly's deadline drew ever nearer, the pressure became intense and the ban was lifted on 9 April 1969.

    The following day, an editorial in the Express and Star said the end of the dispute was "hardly a victory for anyone".

    The argument, the paper said, had "made the name of Wolverhampton a sad by word for racial injustice and intolerance".

    Wolverhampton city centreImage copyrightGAVIN DICKSON Image captionWolverhampton is today home to the UK's second largest Sikh population

    Mr Sandhu said the city had changed drastically since he was a young man.

    Now, Sikhs are visible everywhere, he said, "freely going anywhere, doing any job".

    Dr Takhar said Mr Sandhu "really put Sikh identity on the map" and made a "huge difference" in raising awareness of the turban's significance.

    "It's thanks to him we have so many educated people, young people and women wearing turbans," she said.

    Wolverhampton is now home to the UK's second largest Sikh population.

    "Somebody has to take a stand whenever something is not being done right and put it right," Mr Sandhu said. "I was proud I did that."


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  9. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/stories-47562252

    At 27, Minreet Kaur married a man she had met through a Sikh temple in west London. It turned out to be a disaster, and within a year she was back home with her parents. For 10 years now she has been hoping to find another husband, but has reached a bitter conclusion: most Sikh men don't want to marry a divorcee.

    "If you divorce me, you will never marry again," my husband shouted at me before I left him. He said it to hurt me, but he knew it could turn out to be true. And so did I.

    Divorce is shameful in the Sikh community, especially for women.

    To begin with I was ashamed myself. I felt dirty and used. How could I look at another man when I knew he would regard me as used goods? 

    Other people reinforced this feeling.

    My grandma in London told me I should have worked at my marriage, even though she knew what I had been through. My dad's family in India said they were disappointed that I was home; I was a disgrace to them. My parents supported me 100% but I felt I had let them down.

    For five years I hardly went out, but in 2013 I started to look again for a partner.

    When I asked people to look out for a partner.

    When I asked people to look out for a suitable man for me they would often be happy to help. They would start asking questions - how old I was, where I lived, where I worked - but as soon as told them I was divorced, their facial expression changed. It was a look that said, "we can't help you".

    My marriage had been semi-arranged. People kept telling me I was getting old and putting pressure on me to marry, so I asked the temple in Southall to introduce me to someone. 

    After my divorce, when I started looking for a new husband, I went to the Hounslow temple to register in its matrimonial book. I knew the temple would only introduce me to members of my own caste, even though caste isn't important to me. But what I didn't know was that, since I was a divorcee, they would only introduce me to divorced men.

    Once the volunteer saw my details on the form I had filled in he said: "Here are two men who are divorced - they are the only ones suitable for you.

    But in at least two temples I have seen divorced men being introduced to women who have never previously married. So why can't divorced women be introduced to men who have not been married before? It's as though men can never be responsible for a divorce, only women. 

    I asked the man in charge of the Hounslow temple's matrimonial service, Mr Grewal, to explain this to me and he told me it wasn't his choice - it was the men looking for a bride, and their parents, who said they didn't want a divorcee.

    "They are not going to accept divorce, as it shouldn't happen in the Sikh community, if we follow the faith," he said.

    But actually Sikhs do get divorced sometimes, just like everyone else. The 2018 British Sikh Report says that 4% have been divorced and another 1% have separated. Some of those who admit to having been divorced may have remarried, but I'm quite sure that a larger number tick the "single" box even though they are divorced - it's such a taboo.

    As divorce becomes more common, attitudes will most likely change. Younger people have told me it's not such a big issue for them. But in my generation, even people who have divorced sisters or daughters in their own family will still judge another divorced woman outside their family.

    These are the kinds of things people say to me: "You are too old to have kids, you are going to find it hard to meet someone now - you've left it too late. You should just find anyone and marry them."

    (Actually, at 38 I'm not too old to have children. It's just another prejudice.)

    Sometimes I'm told: "Min, it's going to be very difficult to meet someone in the UK, you're better off meeting someone in India."

    When my mum asked one of her friend's sons if he knew anyone for me, he told us I was like a "scratched car".

    I know I have made things difficult for myself by looking not just for a Sikh but for a turbanned Sikh. There are more than 22,000 Sikhs in Hounslow, so probably 11,000 are men. Only a small proportion of them are in the right age group, and unmarried. And of those who are, many don't wear a turban.

    The turban is important to me, though. Faith is important to me - the Sikh faith that says that men and women are equal and that we should not judge one another.

    I don't want to meet men who are just out for a laugh and don't want to settle down. But nor do I want to meet men who want a housekeeper rather than a wife, and ask questions like, "can you cook?" the first time we meet. I am an independent person who wants a partner for companionship.

    Last month I was introduced to someone through a friend. It was a familiar story. He said he wasn't interested in a divorcee. He was in his 40s, but he expected women to come with no history.

    After meeting about 40 different men over the last 10 years, it's only in the last few months that I have begun to think about considering non-turbanned Sikhs, and even non-Sikhs. Some of my friends have already taken this step.

    By telling my story I am hoping I will help to remove the stigma of being a divorced woman. Maybe it will encourage more women to speak up. And if women are trapped in an abusive marriage because of the taboo of divorce, I would urge them to leave. We are human beings, and we deserve to be treated equally.

  10. 15 hours ago, puzzled said:

     That's why they are knighted by the queen. Malkit singh was knighted and it turned out his daughter was a kidy fiddler

    Malkit Singh MBE (not Sir)

    15 hours ago, puzzled said:

    I wouldn't be surprised if some mp or important person is exposed for involvement in those grooming gangs.

    Some mp was recently arrested for running a 10Cstory brothel in Chelsea.

    The 'MP' was actually a conservative party donor, but agree what you say..

    Re. grooming gangs, this is close enough


    Lord AhmedImage copyrightUK PARLIAMENT Image captionLord Nazir Ahmed denies all the allegations against him

    A member of the House of Lords has been accused of exploiting his position to pursue sex with vulnerable women who asked him for help, Newsnight reveals.

    One woman said Lord Nazir Ahmed of Rotherham "took advantage" and began a sexual relationship with her after she approached him for assistance.

  11. On 2/23/2019 at 12:37 PM, Ranjeet01 said:

    Our people have always had a fondness for all things German going back decades. BMWs, Mercs and VWs have always been popular amongst our lot.

    I think that the fact that we have fought against Germans  in 2 world wars, we have developed a respect for them.

    I think it is just the reputation of German cars, and in reality no Sikhs care for World War 2 and the Germans of that time.


    On 2/23/2019 at 7:43 PM, Ranjeet01 said:


    In the UK, having a BMW, Mercedes is not really a big deal.

    This is not true. 

    It is seen as a massive deal to be driving Merv/BMW/Audi/Range Rover in my experience 

  12. On 2/22/2019 at 7:11 PM, Punjabiwolves said:

    1) A Sikh that supports Millwall FC

    2) A Sikh Male doing gymnastics

    3 )A Sikh Family going on holiday to Butlins  


    How many Sikhs live in the millwall catchment area - not many. There are quite a few near Charlton though but Charlton are a small club traditionally so not many Sikh fans.

    Also, you can apply this to most clubs who are traditionally not top flight teams, unlike wolves. 

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  13. 12 hours ago, kcmidlands said:

     something interesting came up on my twitter feed last night, if they can do this to her (she was stripped of her nationality based on her ability to claim the original nationality of her parents) there is a chance  the government can do it to anyone of use brown folk for any reason they like, makes for interesting though.

    I think only if you have dual citizenship 

  14. https://www.easterneye.biz/-16/


    (*On Sky channel 142 on Thirsday this week)

    A high-profile honour killing case of a British Sikh woman who was taken to India by her UK-based family and then killed in Punjab over 20 years ago is set to be revived as a television documentary this week.

    Surjit Kaur Athwal was perceived as bringing shame on her conservative Sikh in-laws from west London and taken to Punjab in December 1998 on the pretext of attending family weddings, where she was killed.

    The 27-year-old’s mother-in-law Bachan Athwal and husband Sukhdave Athwal were sentenced to prison terms of 15 years and 20 years, respectively, for their role in her murder in 2007.


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