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  1. Premi5

    Modern-day singhs being weak.

    Can you recommend a good, simple book to read more about this - one I can get from a library or amazon
  2. How old are you? If you are British and living in the UK, you should be embarrassed to say that
  3. Can you give me a source for this? thanks
  4. https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/black-country/controlling-boyfriend-raped-partner-made-16245095 A controlling thug made an ex-partner watch Islamic faith videos to 'become a better girlfriend' while subjecting her to rape and regular beatings. Mohammed Khan put the young woman through 18 months of sheer torment and was violent towards her within days of striking up a relationship. The victim was brutally attacked by Khan on numerous occasions. He once pinned her against a wardrobe by the throat, while another shocking outburst saw him chip several of her teeth after punching her in the face as they sat in his car. In April last year, he sunk to new lows when he orally raped her following a violent argument. The 23-year-old also made his ex-partner watch instructional videos on how to conduct herself and warned she faced consequences − including threats of violence against her and her family − should she reject his advances. Khan's sick behaviour was uncovered after the woman's family contacted West Midlands Police after growing increasingly concerned about the drastic change in her behaviour and appearance. Specialist officers from the force’s Public Protection Unit worked with Black Country Women’s Aid to offer her immediate help and support and in April, she plucked up the courage to submit a formal police complaint against Khan, of Woodbourne Road in Smethwick . Khan was then charged with four counts of rape and two of coercive control and following a trial at Wolverhampton Crown Court. He was found guilty on one count of rape and the control offences. On Thursday (May 2), he was jailed for 12 years and put on the sex offenders register for life. The jury found him not guilty on the other rape charges. Detective Inspector Cate Webb-Jones from the force’s Public Protection Unit, said: “This young woman completely changed her behaviour in order to please Khan; she missed exams, lied about her injuries and stopped wearing make-up. “Fortunately family members spotted these signs and reported it to the police. “Part of Khan’s abuse was teaching her she couldn’t say ‘no’ to him; he warned that if she did he’d go elsewhere for his gratification. "And such was the control he had over her, she stayed with him and said she still loved him despite the fact he subjected her to awful physical and sexual violence. "In interview, the woman also told our officers that she was made to watch Islamic faith videos as it would make her a better partner. “This is one of the worst cases of coercive control we have seen and I’m pleased that a dangerous offender - one that presents a clear threat to women - has been jailed for a long time."
  5. Interesting article, I had no idea how diff life was in those days https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-47853718 Birmingham & Black Country The turban-wearing British bus driver who changed the law By Riyah CollinsBBC News 30 April 2019 Share this with Facebook Share this with WhatsApp Share this with Messenger Share this with Twitter Share Image captionTarsem Singh Sandhu fought for two years for the right to wear his turban to work Fifty years ago, Sikhs working on Wolverhampton's buses won the right to wear the turban at work. It followed a long-running dispute during which one Sikh man threatened to set himself on fire. It was a time when racial tensions there were high, with the city's most famous MP Enoch Powell saying the country was "heaping up its own funeral pyre" by permitting mass immigration. The Express and Star newspaper reported the turban dispute "could bring chaos to the town's bus services", but it was not just public transport that faced upheaval. Refusing to remove his turban or shave his beard, Tarsem Singh Sandhu sparked a row that spread across the world and saw the nation's racial tensions and identity politics played out on Black Country double-deckers. Image captionMr Sandhu said he was proud he took on the bus company 50 years ago "I couldn't see anyone in Wolverhampton at that time with a turban," remembers Mr Sandhu, who arrived in the Midlands in his 20s more than 50 years ago. Wolverhampton was different back then, he said. He remembers the racism, the teddy boys, and when he plucked up the courage to wear his turban, colleagues wearing crude mockeries on their heads. Soon after arriving, he was pinned down by uncles who cut his hair against his will. He would never get a job with a turban, he was told. At 23, he began working as a bus driver with Wolverhampton Transport Committee which at the time employed 823 drivers, 411 of whom were Indian. All had signed the uniform policy, agreeing to come to work clean shaven and wearing the uniform cap. None of them wore a turban. Image captionSikhs would shave and cut their hair in order to work on Wolverhampton's buses After a short illness in 1967, Mr Sandhu returned to work complete with turban and beard. Hair is one of the five Sikh articles of faith for the Khalsa - it must not be cut and is maintained in a turban - and Mr Sandhu decided he could not forgo his religion for the sake of a bus driver uniform. After one round trip, he was sent home to shave. He refused. "I never thought it would be as big a dispute as it was," Mr Sandhu said, "because there was nothing wrong with what I was doing." Image captionAbout half of Wolverhampton's bus drivers were Indian at the time of the dispute Fifty years on, a young turban fitter, Vikran Jaat Singh, said more young people than ever are wearing the turban. Famously, in June last year, Charanpreet Singh Lall became the first Sikh guardsman to wear a turban during the Trooping the Colour parade. "Before, everyone used to cut their hair," Mr Singh said, but he now runs a business fitting turbans for special occasions. "If someone says 'go to work without your leg', would you?" he asked. "Turbans are part of us - you can't leave part of yourself behind." Image copyrightPA Image captionCharanpreet Singh Lall became the first guardsman to wear a turban in 2018 What Mr Sandhu did, according to Opinderjit Takhar, director of the centre for Sikh and Panjabi Studies at the University of Wolverhampton, "is so significant to the lives of Sikhs here in the UK". The former bus driver, who still lives in Wolverhampton, modestly said his actions, which went on to change legislation about religious expression at work, were "natural". "He showed religion shouldn't take a back seat," Dr Takhar said. "As people realised they were here to stay, they realised they no longer had to compromise on their identity." Image captionWolverhampton bus drivers had to be clean shaven and wear a cap After he was suspended in 1967, Mr Sandhu tried to gain the support of his union, Sikh community groups and local gurdwaras. "They only had one thing to say," Mr Sandhu remembers. "No." "Some [Sikh] people supported me; they thought we have done something wrong, we have made a mistake [by cutting their hair], but at least there is one young man who stood up for what is right and we must support him," Mr Sandhu said. "Others thought 'we've come to work in this country and he's creating problems'." Image copyrightIWM Image captionSikh soldiers wore the turban while fighting for the British army He turned instead to the Shiromani Akali Dal - the principal Sikh political party of Punjab - and the president of its UK branch, Sohan Singh Jolly. "He was a very strong character," Mr Sandhu said. He had been a practising Sikh all his life, serving as a police inspector for the British Raj in Kenya. During the British Raj, turbans were accepted as normal. Millions of Sikhs fought for Britain during both world wars, forgoing helmets for their turbans. A march through Wolverhampton drew 6,000 Sikhs from across the country to the town hall, demanding change. The message was also spreading overseas: A 50,000-strong march was organised through Delhi in support of Mr Sandhu and Mr Jolly. Image captionAbout 6,000 Sikhs from across the UK marched through Wolverhampton demanding the turban ban be lifted When nothing happened, Mr Jolly heaped pressure by making the ultimate threat. "He said he would burn himself to death," Mr Sandhu said, "because it's not worth living in this country where the discrimination is that much." Mr Jolly set a deadline of 30 April 1969 - the Sikh new year - for Wolverhampton Transport Committee to lift the ban on turbans. "I am not frightened for anything," he said at the time. "I find it my privilege to sacrifice for the Sikh community." Image captionSohan Singh Jolly threatened to burn himself to death for Mr Sandhu's cause But those on the other side of the dispute were also escalating their arguments, with one man in particular rallying support for the ban: Enoch Powell. On 20 April 1968, moments before likening himself to the Roman witnessing "the River Tiber foaming with much blood", the MP for Wolverhampton South described the turban dispute as "a cloud no bigger than a man's hand that can so rapidly overcast the sky". Powell was sacked after the now infamous Rivers of Blood speech, but his words had already had their impact. People thought "he's come to this country he should do what this country does", Mr Sandhu said. Powell received strong support from the public, with dockers and meat packers marching in support of him, and the local newspaper was flooded with letters supporting his speech. Image copyrightGETTY IMAGES Image captionEnoch Powell said the turban bus dispute threatened to "overcast the sky" The Wolverhampton Transport Committee had found itself at the centre of a row which had outgrown the council house. Buoyed by the public reaction to Powell's speech, the committee remained firm. In 1968, its chairman Ron Gough told BBC News turbans were never likely to be seen on a Wolverhampton bus. However, as Mr Jolly's deadline drew ever nearer, the pressure became intense and the ban was lifted on 9 April 1969. The following day, an editorial in the Express and Star said the end of the dispute was "hardly a victory for anyone". The argument, the paper said, had "made the name of Wolverhampton a sad by word for racial injustice and intolerance". Image copyrightGAVIN DICKSON Image captionWolverhampton is today home to the UK's second largest Sikh population Mr Sandhu said the city had changed drastically since he was a young man. Now, Sikhs are visible everywhere, he said, "freely going anywhere, doing any job". Living in Enoch’s shadow Listen: The Turban Bus Dispute Guardsman first to wear turban at parade Dr Takhar said Mr Sandhu "really put Sikh identity on the map" and made a "huge difference" in raising awareness of the turban's significance. "It's thanks to him we have so many educated people, young people and women wearing turbans," she said. Wolverhampton is now home to the UK's second largest Sikh population. "Somebody has to take a stand whenever something is not being done right and put it right," Mr Sandhu said. "I was proud I did that."
  6. Premi5

    Terror attack in Sri Lanka

    These incidents all happen only because Authorised by government special services
  7. Premi5

    Most beautiful Women in world?

    What has this got to do with Sikhi?
  8. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/stories-47562252 At 27, Minreet Kaur married a man she had met through a Sikh temple in west London. It turned out to be a disaster, and within a year she was back home with her parents. For 10 years now she has been hoping to find another husband, but has reached a bitter conclusion: most Sikh men don't want to marry a divorcee. "If you divorce me, you will never marry again," my husband shouted at me before I left him. He said it to hurt me, but he knew it could turn out to be true. And so did I. Divorce is shameful in the Sikh community, especially for women. To begin with I was ashamed myself. I felt dirty and used. How could I look at another man when I knew he would regard me as used goods? Other people reinforced this feeling. My grandma in London told me I should have worked at my marriage, even though she knew what I had been through. My dad's family in India said they were disappointed that I was home; I was a disgrace to them. My parents supported me 100% but I felt I had let them down. For five years I hardly went out, but in 2013 I started to look again for a partner. When I asked people to look out for a partner. When I asked people to look out for a suitable man for me they would often be happy to help. They would start asking questions - how old I was, where I lived, where I worked - but as soon as told them I was divorced, their facial expression changed. It was a look that said, "we can't help you". My marriage had been semi-arranged. People kept telling me I was getting old and putting pressure on me to marry, so I asked the temple in Southall to introduce me to someone. After my divorce, when I started looking for a new husband, I went to the Hounslow temple to register in its matrimonial book. I knew the temple would only introduce me to members of my own caste, even though caste isn't important to me. But what I didn't know was that, since I was a divorcee, they would only introduce me to divorced men. Once the volunteer saw my details on the form I had filled in he said: "Here are two men who are divorced - they are the only ones suitable for you. But in at least two temples I have seen divorced men being introduced to women who have never previously married. So why can't divorced women be introduced to men who have not been married before? It's as though men can never be responsible for a divorce, only women. I asked the man in charge of the Hounslow temple's matrimonial service, Mr Grewal, to explain this to me and he told me it wasn't his choice - it was the men looking for a bride, and their parents, who said they didn't want a divorcee. "They are not going to accept divorce, as it shouldn't happen in the Sikh community, if we follow the faith," he said. But actually Sikhs do get divorced sometimes, just like everyone else. The 2018 British Sikh Report says that 4% have been divorced and another 1% have separated. Some of those who admit to having been divorced may have remarried, but I'm quite sure that a larger number tick the "single" box even though they are divorced - it's such a taboo. As divorce becomes more common, attitudes will most likely change. Younger people have told me it's not such a big issue for them. But in my generation, even people who have divorced sisters or daughters in their own family will still judge another divorced woman outside their family. These are the kinds of things people say to me: "You are too old to have kids, you are going to find it hard to meet someone now - you've left it too late. You should just find anyone and marry them." (Actually, at 38 I'm not too old to have children. It's just another prejudice.) Sometimes I'm told: "Min, it's going to be very difficult to meet someone in the UK, you're better off meeting someone in India." When my mum asked one of her friend's sons if he knew anyone for me, he told us I was like a "scratched car". I know I have made things difficult for myself by looking not just for a Sikh but for a turbanned Sikh. There are more than 22,000 Sikhs in Hounslow, so probably 11,000 are men. Only a small proportion of them are in the right age group, and unmarried. And of those who are, many don't wear a turban. The turban is important to me, though. Faith is important to me - the Sikh faith that says that men and women are equal and that we should not judge one another. I don't want to meet men who are just out for a laugh and don't want to settle down. But nor do I want to meet men who want a housekeeper rather than a wife, and ask questions like, "can you cook?" the first time we meet. I am an independent person who wants a partner for companionship. Last month I was introduced to someone through a friend. It was a familiar story. He said he wasn't interested in a divorcee. He was in his 40s, but he expected women to come with no history. After meeting about 40 different men over the last 10 years, it's only in the last few months that I have begun to think about considering non-turbanned Sikhs, and even non-Sikhs. Some of my friends have already taken this step. By telling my story I am hoping I will help to remove the stigma of being a divorced woman. Maybe it will encourage more women to speak up. And if women are trapped in an abusive marriage because of the taboo of divorce, I would urge them to leave. We are human beings, and we deserve to be treated equally.
  9. Premi5

    Hindus attack Gurdwara

    But why?
  10. If we knew about directly about our past lives how different would life be? Would we be more understanding of all the difficult times we face and the lessons we must learn? Or would it be too dangerous for our psyche to know about all the relationships we have had with those close in our lives in the past?
  11. Do you think all the white women who have kids with black men in the UK consider it marrying/'parenting' up?
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    Michael J

    Malkit Singh MBE (not Sir) The 'MP' was actually a conservative party donor, but agree what you say.. Re. grooming gangs, this is close enough https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47245797 Image copyrightUK PARLIAMENT Image captionLord Nazir Ahmed denies all the allegations against him A member of the House of Lords has been accused of exploiting his position to pursue sex with vulnerable women who asked him for help, Newsnight reveals. One woman said Lord Nazir Ahmed of Rotherham "took advantage" and began a sexual relationship with her after she approached him for assistance.
  13. Two examples https://www.justgiving.com/fundraising/geeta-sidhu-robb ; https://www.standard.co.uk/news/how-mother-built-her-life-up-again-from-ruin-to-riches-6852084.html http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcthree/2011/10/cv-tina-daheley.shtml
  14. Premi5

    Muslim Divorce Rate: lessons to be learned

    What war zone? I am not aware of one
  15. Premi5

    Things you never see

    I think it is just the reputation of German cars, and in reality no Sikhs care for World War 2 and the Germans of that time. This is not true. It is seen as a massive deal to be driving Merv/BMW/Audi/Range Rover in my experience
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    Things you never see

    How many Sikhs live in the millwall catchment area - not many. There are quite a few near Charlton though but Charlton are a small club traditionally so not many Sikh fans. Also, you can apply this to most clubs who are traditionally not top flight teams, unlike wolves.
  17. Premi5

    ISIS: Returning to the West

    I think only if you have dual citizenship
  18. Premi5

    Inderjeet singh jeenus

    Meant as a joke He is an embarrassment
  19. https://www.easterneye.biz/-16/ (*On Sky channel 142 on Thirsday this week) A high-profile honour killing case of a British Sikh woman who was taken to India by her UK-based family and then killed in Punjab over 20 years ago is set to be revived as a television documentary this week. Surjit Kaur Athwal was perceived as bringing shame on her conservative Sikh in-laws from west London and taken to Punjab in December 1998 on the pretext of attending family weddings, where she was killed. The 27-year-old’s mother-in-law Bachan Athwal and husband Sukhdave Athwal were sentenced to prison terms of 15 years and 20 years, respectively, for their role in her murder in 2007.
  20. Premi5

    Inderjeet singh jeenus

    I think he should boycott this joker
  21. Premi5


    Can anyone please suggest good books on yoga from a traditional perspective? I mean like with focus especially on breathing exercises/pranayam etc? Thanks
  22. In all these places up north, where predominantly white working class girls were groomed - where were the stereotypical proud northern white working class brothers/fathers/uncles (yes I am aware that maybe they are from families where the father is absent) ?
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    Where were the white males?

    I don't think this is really true. Most goray if they're honest (at least excluding 'millennials' generation onwards) do not want their family members marrying out of the same demographic unless the husband/partner is thought to be a reasonable match. Certainly, I don't think they would put up with their female relatives being abused.
  24. I do feel sorry for many of the white people in the UK. They were not likely descendants of the ruling class whites who ran the colonies and ruled over them. Immigration levels are too high and even in the past 20 years I have seen parts of London transformed remarkably. If you turn this question around and put yourself in Punjab, a Sikh stronghold, and you were to see and “alien population “, like Europeans or Africans with a completely different culture Gradually take over your village or town or city, do you think you would like that?
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    Darshan Singh Rudel

    Found an old article at home and found more info on line. Very interesting story http://wakeupkhalsa.blogspot.com/2012/05/darshan-singh-rudel-frenchman-turned.html?m=1 Darshan Singh Rudel - Frenchman Turned Sikh From Michel Rudel To Darshan Singh DARSHAN SINGH RUDEL Born as Michel Jean Louis Rudel in Montpellier, France, Darshan Singh Ji was a spiritual person by birth. Darshan Singh was born as a Roman Catholic. On asking Darshan Singh Ji, how he became a Sikh? he says, "By The Grace Of God". Darshan singh Ji is a Great Personality and a True Sikh. Darshan Singh Ji holds protests against French Government for not allowing the Sikhs to wear Turbans in France and is currently engaged in Organic Farming. Darshan Singh Rudel EARLY LIFE Darshan Singh Rudel Ji were born in France as Michel Rudel. From the early days of childhood, Darshan Singh Ji were spiritual in nature and didn't like to eat non-veg food. They also didn't like the other common things that happen in the French families like drinking Beer or Smoking. A person who does not drinks or eats meat is considered to be unsocial in France. Darshan Singh Ji also had a great interest in painting, for which they travelled many countries later to learn the Art of those countries. Darshan Singh Ji worked in harmony with Mother Earth, which can be seen in their paintings and hence they were interested in organic farming to save the Mother Earth from the harmful pesticides and fertilizers. The customs and traditions that Darshan Singh saw living in France, made them an Atheist, i.e. a non-believer of God by the age of 16. In their early life, Darshan Singh knew nothing about Sikhism. They hardly knew anything about India except that Mahatma Gandhi was born here and Buddhism was founded in India. Darshan Singh Rudel VISIT TO INDIA Darshan Singh Ji came into contact with Sikhism when they visited India. Although, they knew nothing about Sikhism before visiting India. They were almost 19 when they visited India in 1977. Spending nine months in India, Darshan Singh Ji came in contact with Sikhs. Darshan Singh loved to keep unshorn hair as Jesus and other Holy and Spiritual people kept hair and were impressed by the fact that Sikhs too have uncut hair. Darshan Singh Ji's contact with the Gurudwara Darbar Sahib (Golden Temple), Amritsar and Sikhism restored the belief of God in the mind of Darshan Singh Ji. Although, Darshan Singh Ji knew no Punjabi and could hardly speak English but were very impressed by the Personality and Kindness of th Sikhs. Darshan Singh Rudel Ji stayed for some time at the Guru Ramdas guest house near Darbar Sahib, Amritsar. Darshan Singh Rudel were deeply impressed and loved to listen to the Kirtan (hymns) in the Gurudwara Darbar Sahib. Darshan Singh Ji loved the concept of Langar (Free Kitchen) in which everyone will eat without discrimination of caste or creed. Darshan Singh Darshan Singh Rudel Ji left India with a heavy heart but with a promise to return. Darshan Singh Ji took with them the treasure of knowledge about Sikhism. Darshan Singh Ji believed they always knew inside the presence of God, only their ego kept them away from admitting it. After leaving India, Darshan Singh Ji searched for and worked in Greece, Switzerland and France. When Parents of Darshan Singh Ji knew about the Drashan Singh's approach towards Sikhism they were afraid if their son was adopting some wrong faith but later knew that Sikhism was a great religion and helps a Person to stay away from bad habits like intake of intoxicants. Darshan Singh Ji kept their last name same after they were changed from Michel Jean Louis Rudel to Darshan Singh. They returned to India in 1980, when they had long hair. They started wearing turban after 1980. They visited various Gurudwaras across India and returned to Punjab in 1983. Their was a atmosphere of great tension in Punjab at that time. Darshan Singh Ji met Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale, the man who stood up against the Indian Government. Darshan Singh Ji went to Australia and New Zealand and met some Sikhs there and worked on farms. Later on, Darshan Singh Rudel Ji went to England, where he came in contact with Dr. Trilochan Singh who helped Darshan Singh Rudel Ji learn English and Punjabi. Also, Darshan Singh Ji were happy to get an opportunity to do sewa at the Gurudwara Sahibs in England. Darshan Singh Ji joined the Red Cross society to do some work and also because Red Cross Society believes in helping the Humanity without discrimination. BECOMING AN AMRITDHARI SIKH Darshan Singh Rudel Ji returned to India again in 1991. Darshan Singh Ji visited various Gurudwaras across India and on 10th July, 1991 got baptized as a Khalsa at Anandpur Sahib, Punjab. Darshan Singh Ji consider it to be their rebirth at Anandpur Sahib. Due to the critical situation of Sikhs in India and Indian Government taking actions against innocent Sikhs, Darshan Singh Ji were caught by Police multiple times for no reason but were released later after knowing the reality of Darshan Singh as a Frenchman turned Sikh. Darshan Singh Ji also returned to France and met their Parents. Their Parents were happy for them. Darshan Singh Ji also told their fellows in France that Sikhism is the real Catholic (Universal) religion. Darshan Singh Ji filed an application for changing the name from Michel Jean Louis Rudel to Darshan Singh Rudel in France, but it was rejected even after lot of efforts were put by Darshan Singh Ji. So, Darshan Singh Ji became a British citizen and renounced French Citizenship. DARSHAN SINGH AS AN ARTIST Art by Darshan Singh Darshan Singh Ji is an excellent painter. Darshan Singh Ji have made many great paintings and artwork. Darshan Singh Ji went to Taiwan to learn Chinese style of paintings and Martial Arts. Darshan Singh Rudel Ji also went to Japan to learn Japanese Landscape Gardening. Darshan Singh Ji always loved the Mother Nature. Darshan Singh Ji didn't eat meat and were against the killing of animals since their childhood. As a phrase of Bible stops one from killing the innocent, hence Darshan Singh Ji considered it should apply to the animals too. The paintings made by Darshan Singh Ji are always in harmony with the Nature and the Waheguru. Artwork created by Darshan Singh Ji depicts love for Nature and God. For the respect of Mother Nature, Darshan Singh Ji was always interested in organic farming to save the Mother Earth land from pesticides and fertilizers. Darshan Singh Rudel Ji bought some land (generally referred as Angrez da Farm) in Anandpur Sahib district in Punjab and are currently engaged in doing Organic Farming. MARRIAGE Darshan Singh Rudel Ji, at the age of 40 got married to Malwinder Kaur in Chandigarh, Punjab. They were married at the Sector 34 Gurudwara, Chandigarh in 1997. Darshan Singh Ji currently live with their wife and a step-daughter. "Whatever adversity I face or have faced as a Sikh is insignificant compared to what Sikhs have suffered to defend their faith throughout their history."

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