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Shall I invite them to these forums to give their views ?!

Becoming Christian as has been posted variously here recently has likely more to do with incentives like healthcare and other support for the family. Majha have traditionally provided most of the shaheeds, even in 1980s and 1990s when Malwa had much higher number of Sikhs. As you have said, Tarn Taran Sahib area seems the ultimate stronghold of Sikhs Doabe-wale love bhangra, which I wonder is a reason why went away from Sikhi more than the other regions

@Kau89r8are you in UK Google tells me his family are from Sargodha. Not many Mirpuris in London https://punjabicelebrities.com/raf-saperra/ He had a song 'snake charmer' and that is what 'Saperra' means, it seems https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapera_(caste) Origin[edit] They are a community of snake charmers and one of a number of semi-nomadic communities found in North India which live in camps at the outskirts of most North Indian towns.[4] In Haryana, the community is known as the Sapera Nath. They are further divided into ten sub-groups, some of which are the Brahmin Sapera, Jhinwar Sapera, Soggar Sapera, BihaL Sapera, Nakphule Sapera, and Sandenath Sapera. These divisions are said to reflect the diverse origin of this community, where people of different caste backgrounds took to the occupation of snake charming, and over time evolved into a distinct community. They now have Scheduled Caste status in Haryana.[5] In Punjab, the word Sapela is derived from the word sap, which means snake in Punjabi. They are also known as Nath. The community are as much snake catchers as snake charmers, and are employed by villagers as snake charmers. According to their traditions, the community descend from a Kanipa, a Jhinwar, who took to snake charming. They are nomadic, and are possibly of Dom origin. The Punjab Sapela speak Punjabi and found throughout the state.[6] Present circumstances[edit] The Sapera are divided into two endogamous groups, the Saharpua and the Baiga in Uttar Pradesh, especially the Bareilly district. These are further segmented into exogamous clans, and they maintain a strict system of clan exogamy. The principal occupation of the Sapera remains snake charming, and they wander from village to village, performing with deadly snakes like cobras. They are also expert snake catchers, and are often called in by other villagers to catch snakes and remove the poison from persons bitten by snakes. A small number of Sapera have also been involved in the manufacture of a coarse rope called the munj. As with other nomadic groups, the Indian state has exerted pressure for them to settle down. A few have now taken up permanent settlement and are mainly sharecroppers. They remain an extremely marginalised group, suffering from poverty.[7] The Sapela community in Punjab consists of a number of clans, the main ones being the Marar, Goar, Bhambi, Doom and Ladhu. All these clans are of equal status and intermarry. The Sapela are still largely involved in their traditional occupation of snake charming and snake catching, as well as collecting wild root and tubers, which they use for medicinal purposes. They are nomadic are often employed in the villages to catch snakes. The community are also associated with the playing the gourd pipe, known as a been. Like other Sapera groups, they are extremely marginalised, and have been granted Scheduled Caste status.[8] Most Sapera are Hindu by faith, although a small number have converted to Islam, and form a distinct community of Muslim Saperas. The Hindu Sapera are followers of the Shakti cult and worship the goddess Kali.[citation needed] Also, informative but long interview https://basementapproved.com/music/raf-saperra/

Would be great to get opinions of more UK Bhenjis on this @jkvlondon ?

What? Hindus in India who are 'pro-Muslim' ?! And, I thought Dutt is a Kashmiri name

I emailed SWA and they replied

At a launch event held at The Shard on 21 October, Preet spoke to guests about the physical and mental training she endured ahead of the trek. Equipment she will be carrying with her such as a pulk (a Nordic small sled), cooker, freeze-dried food and specialist clothing were also on display highlighting the extensive preparation she has undergone and the enormity of the challenge ahead. Brigadier Lizzie Faithfull-Davies CBE, Commander 102 Logistics Brigade said: Preet joined the Army in 2008 and has served for 13 years, including supporting the Covid-19 vaccination efforts in recent months. She had never camped or hiked prior to joining, it was participation in Adventurous Training which sparked her passion and drive to complete this incredible feat. Preet has already set her sights higher and plans to also complete a solo and unsupported full crossing of the continent from coast to coast. Captain Harpreet Chandi said: Share this page https://inews.co.uk/news/world/preet-chandi-british-sikh-army-officer-first-woman-colour-solo-trek-antarctica-1381463 The army officer and physiotherapist, who adopted the nickname “Polar Preet” for her blog, spent two and a half years preparing for the grueling expedition. It included crevasse training in the French Alps, trekking Iceland’s Langjökull Glacier and 27 days on the ice cap in Greenland. Ms Chandi named her sled after her nine-year-old niece, Simran, and her skis after her baby nephew, Karanveer, to inspire them. She said: “When I decided I wanted to go to Antarctica, I didn’t know I would be the first woman of colour to do a solo expedition on the continent and people have said to me ‘You don’t look like a polar explorer’.” Congratulating her on the expedition, the Chief of the General Staff of the British Army said she was an “inspirational example of the grit and determination”. Ms Chandi admitted that she “didn’t know much about the continent” when the idea first came about, but was determined to prove that she could achieve anything. “The expedition was always about so much more than me,” she wrote upon completion. “I want to encourage people to push their boundaries and to believe in themselves, and I want you to be able to do it without being labeled a rebel.” Half of the funds raised from the extraordinary feat will go towards an adventure grant for women attempting unique challenges, which she plans to launch next year. The rest will go to Khalsa Aid, “who’s message is to recognise the whole human race as one,” she said. “Hopefully doing something that pushes me so far out of my comfort zone will inspire others to believe in themselves and push their boundaries,” she said.

Men 'age' better. You're peaking ! lol

How much into Sikhi or 'Sikh pride do the mixed race ones have ?

That's sad. Never heard this from any relatives in Ludhiana or Jalandhar before Is situation much better now ?

Where is the Gurdwara Sahib, jee? This Baba jee looks in Chardhikala from my snapshot impression

I think Indians are easily influenced by what the media tells them, maybe less nowadays. I think they believe everything the see in media. Sorry to know you were emotionally abused

They would not share food with them or touched by them. Not wanting to shak Amrit if a 'lower caste' was sharing the Amrit. And just casual remarks generally that denigrate

Is it in a Gurdwara any of the Sangat here would have visited?

@proactive please respond when you get a chance, jee. Also, if you have more info on emigration history of Malwai and Malwains, and even Doabe and Majhe wale to other countries that would be very interesting

How did you come across this ? Do you like the artistic style ?

Another example of Gurdware and NHS Gravesend Gurdwara volunteers deliver hundreds of free hot meals to Darent Valley Hospital workers

Have met many Eastern Europeans in the UK, from various countries. I don't see they are 'more loose' than the people here. If anything, they do have more people who follow religion. Polish especially. Are basing your views on what you have seen on the Internet/TV ? Or have you actually lived in Ukraine or Russia? I think cold climate generally leads to colder people, emotionally and the opposite. Even somewhere like USA

I like @proactivebut agree that to dismiss what you have said is disingenuous. Even in my own close family/relatives, and from what I am aware in general, there is casual discrimination/second class treatment of 'lower castes' by 'jatts'. It's maybe like the type of discrimination we hear about in the South in the US, how racism used to be in S Africa and in Australia.

I went to a talk from him around 2010. I think he was an adult when he came to the UK, like in his 20's. He knew no English. Don't remember any other details about what he did before. I think he is a good man deep down. But his mind and views have been misled, maybe he has poor advisors.

In case anyone can help

Slough ? Conservative Party ?