khalsaman1

Jagara gajave!
Shaheeda de man nu bhave!
Nihal ho jaavai!
Is kute dusht nu joonan vich bhave!
 

Satsriakal.

Sorry to hear this veerji. 

I suggest you read Dasam bani and the background on why Dasam Patshah told the Khalsa to always be tyar bar tyar. 

There's no need to apologize when everything that happens, including this debate, is under Waheguru's will.

All the best.

Again with your Manmat insults towards Daas; when has Daas defended any Mass Murderer? Now it's clear you are making stuff-up.

I entered this thread because I was upset that so called "Sikhs" were calling for the mass murder of Muslims.

You have done nothing but insult me since I made that post.

Your position is very clear here. You too support the destruction of an entire group of people, simply because you do not agree with the religion they were born into.

You hide behind the facades of religion by claiming to be a Sikh of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. You don't have an ounce of Sikhism in your body.

Keep up the good work. Defending the mass murder of innocent people while hiding behind the facades of religion.

With each and every post, you spit on Dasmesh Pita. Take down that picture. You are an embarrassment.

Do you know what Daas means? Daas means servant/slave, by that it replaces the "I", and is now called what is translated to "Servant/Slave", if you see my previous topics "I" used to say "I" instead of "Daas", when Daas took Amrit; Daas has used the term "Daas" as much as possible. Here is the meaning of Daas on this very forum, a true Sikh tries to take way ego; in exchange for building Nirmatta; and I call myself Daas to hopefully let others and myself know the importance of at least trying to be a Sevak. (If you read my blog; you will notice that I've explained the meaning of Daas a few times). http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/23036-meaning-of-daas/

http://gurukisikhi.weebly.com/home/amrit-vela-ambrosial-hours

First time referring to myself as Daas.

Amrit is the first step. Now you must purify your mind. My first suggestion is to log off your computer.

Indulging in meaningless debate with moorakhs does not accomplish anything.

Who are we to slander other religions when our own minds are impure? Waheguru created Islam, as Waheguru has created everything. By slandering Islam, we are slandering Waheguru....how do you not understand this?

You claim to not be an ego-maniac, yet you mentioned "daas" 9 times in that last post.

Why do I even bother...

So your best answer is saying Daas has Haumai? Again it is only you who is misinterpreting Gurbani; and using it to insult others including Daas; for what praising Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji? Anyone who praises Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji immediately is blessed; and you are trying to constantly bring others down with you. If you wish to do Nindak of Daas; do so, but Daas will not tolerate any Nindak of the Guru; which you have been doing with your constant misinterpretations of Gurbani to further promote your Manmat propaganda. "

ਗਉੜੀ ॥

गउड़ी ॥

Ga▫oṛī.

Gauree:

ਨਿੰਦਉ ਨਿੰਦਉ ਮੋ ਕਉ ਲੋਗੁ ਨਿੰਦਉ ॥

निंदउ निंदउ मो कउ लोगु निंदउ ॥

Ninḏa▫o ninḏa▫o mo ka▫o log ninḏa▫o.

Slander me, slander me - go ahead, people, and slander me.

ਨਿੰਦਾ ਜਨ ਕਉ ਖਰੀ ਪਿਆਰੀ ॥

निंदा जन कउ खरी पिआरी ॥

Ninḏā jan ka▫o kẖarī pi▫ārī.

Slander is pleasing to the Lord's humble servant.

ਨਿੰਦਾ ਬਾਪੁ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਮਹਤਾਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

निंदा बापु निंदा महतारी ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Ninḏā bāp ninḏā mėhṯārī. ||1|| rahā▫o.

Slander is my father, slander is my mother. ||1||Pause||

ਨਿੰਦਾ ਹੋਇ ਤ ਬੈਕੁੰਠਿ ਜਾਈਐ ॥

निंदा होइ त बैकुंठि जाईऐ ॥

Ninḏā ho▫e ṯa baikunṯẖ jā▫ī▫ai.

If I am slandered, I go to heaven;

ਨਾਮੁ ਪਦਾਰਥੁ ਮਨਹਿ ਬਸਾਈਐ ॥

नामु पदारथु मनहि बसाईऐ ॥

Nām paḏārath manėh basā▫ī▫ai.

the wealth of the Naam, the Name of the Lord, abides within my mind.

ਰਿਦੈ ਸੁਧ ਜਉ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਹੋਇ ॥

रिदै सुध जउ निंदा होइ ॥

Riḏai suḏẖ ja▫o ninḏā ho▫e.

If my heart is pure, and I am slandered,

ਹਮਰੇ ਕਪਰੇ ਨਿੰਦਕੁ ਧੋਇ ॥੧॥

हमरे कपरे निंदकु धोइ ॥१॥

Hamre kapre ninḏak ḏẖo▫e. ||1||

then the slanderer washes my clothes. ||1||

Again, you are lying to your mann.

A Sikh of Guru Nanak Dev Ji does not slander posters for defending innocent humans.

You have indirectly agreed that it is okay to mass murder all Muslims by taking the harsh stance you have taken against me. How do you not understand that?

The only one spouting hate is you; you are already arguing with 3 posters at the same time; Daas is only praising Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, (something you need to learn more about). What do you want Daas to say, "Don't take Amrit, you can be free just the way you are with your sinful ways and without Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji"? If you are expecting Daas to ever say this, then you are asking the wrong person, as all of Anand Sahib says that all words without the true Guru is false, just like this false idea your preaching. Daas already believes that the set of rules for Mukti apply to everyone; "Take Amrit, and Naam Japna", while you are telling me that the rules for Mukti don't apply. Where has Daas ever spread hate or ego? Is calling Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji true something you find offensive? Daas doesn't bow to liberal Sikhs live yourself, Daas if he bows; only bows to the Guru and the way of real Khalsa.

ਮਨ ਤੂੰ ਗਾਰਬਿ ਅਟਿਆ ਗਾਰਬਿ ਲਦਿਆ ਜਾਹਿ ॥ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹਣੀ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਫਿਰਿ ਫਿਰਿ ਜੂਨੀ ਭਵਾਹਿ ॥

ਗਾਰਬਿ ਲਾਗਾ ਜਾਹਿ ਮੁਗਧ ਮਨ ਅੰਤਿ ਗਇਆ ਪਛੁਤਾਵਹੇ ॥ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਤਿਸਨਾ ਰੋਗੁ ਲਗਾ ਬਿਰਥਾ ਜਨਮੁ ਗਵਾਵਹੇ ॥

ਮਨਮੁਖ ਮੁਗਧ ਚੇਤਹਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਅਗੈ ਗਇਆ ਪਛੁਤਾਵਹੇ ॥ ਇਉ ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਮਨ ਤੂੰ ਗਾਰਬਿ ਅਟਿਆ ਗਾਰਬਿ ਲਦਿਆ ਜਾਵਹੇ ॥੬॥

Let's summarize this thread.

-A poster calls for the mass-murder of all muslims.

-I say that is ridiculously anti-Sikh as we are all human beings and Waheguru lives within us all.

-I'm called a "liberal Sikh" and attacked by posters for defending Islam.

This forum is an absolute cesspool of moorakhs.

Thats right. Mukti can only be achieved through NAAM and this Naam can only be achieved by becoming a sikh of Satguru Ji.

All good and bad actions of this world fall under Rajo, Tamo and Sato Gunns. Only Naam is beyond this trai-gunni Maya.

Correct.

However, calling for the mass murder of all muslims will not give anyone mukti. What part of that do you posters not understand?

If a being becomes one with Waheguru through naam, he does not spout off hate.

Daas already knows Vaheguru is in everyone; however, what Daas won't do is make-up some emotional beliefs just to suit the needs of the world. Daas will not apologize for calling Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji the only way; Daas would rather be banned on this website, then to betray the greatness of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, to make a liberal Sikh happy.

You are lying to your mann.

You are openly saying that Waheguru is in everyone but you are so polluted by ego and hatred, you don't actually believe this.

If you actually believe Waheguru exists in everyone, you would not be spouting off the way you are.

Do you know anything about Islam; before Daas will even bother having further conversations about your manmat here? Do you know how Ex-Muslims even live their lives? Also where in any part of Gurbani does it promote the idea that people can go to Sach Khand without Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji?

You have done some bhagti in your life but not enough to avoid being devoured by ego. You are an ego-maniac. However, Waheguru can still save you.

You must beg for forgiveness and see Waheguru within every being, regardless of caste, creed, or religion.

'My mission is to administer Amrit, to explain the meanings of Gurbani and to teach Gurbani to those around me; ... and (to tell people) that a Hindu should be a firm Hindu, a Muslim should be a firm Muslim, and a Sikh should be a firm Sikh. If we speak to someone with hatred and try to assert our superiority, it will create hatred in the minds of everyone. So long as we have the spirit of love, so long as we have the support of Satguru Hargobind Sahib, the Master of Miri and Piri, is there any power on earth that can subdue us?'

-Panth de mahaan soorbir Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa, Bhindranwale.

Muslims don't even believe in Mukti and according to legit Muslims, Bhagat Farid wasn't even a Muslim; again you misinterpret Gurbani to fit your own needs; Vaheguru is in Aurangzeb as well is he Mukti in your eyes? Daas is only telling the direct truth that without Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, nobody is saved!

Most "Sikhs" don't believe in the principles of Sikhism. What is your point?

Waheguru permeates everywhere. Yes, Waheguru also existed in Aurangzeb. However, most of us are unable to find Waheguru within ourselves.

Waheguru is only found within, under the will of Waheguru. Everything happens in the will of Waheguru, including moorakh's spouting off hatred against other religions on internet message boards.

You seem to neither understand Islam or Gurbani. Do you misinterpret what equality means in Gurbani? Or truly believe Islam is a peaceful religion? If so, even Donald Trump would make you look unintelligent.

So many moorakhs on this forum...

To blast an entire religion over the actions of a few is absolutely what a moorakh would do.

I guess Sikhism ain't peaceful either because of butcher KP Gill, Beanta, etc.

A true Muslim will break the cycle of life and death by living an honest life. See Sheikh Farid and Hazrat Mian Mir.

Just as a true Sikh will break the cycle of life and death by living an honest life. See countless examples...

Waheguru exists in every human being.

Islam is not our enemy.

We are all one race. Human beings.

Until you understand this, you will never end the cylce of birth and death.

Wait, so joining in unison with innocent Muslims because they're getting slaughtered by a corrupt government is anti-Sikh?

What Sikhi do you guys belong to?

Sikhs fight for justice. Whether justice for our own kaum or for other kaums.

Guru pyareo,

Religion is not the end. Religion is a means to an end.

Every human being, regardless of religion, seeks Waheguru.

I can say with confidence that being a = Sikh is both the easiest path to God and the toughest path to God.

The easiest in the sense that we have a very strict rehat that should keep us from falling prey to the 5 evils. However, also the toughest because of the hardships Sikhs must go through.

But I am a moorak so what do I know.

Well British Raj ended a while ago and I do not see Sikhism destroyed. What I do see is the missionary types who are leading us away from our Guru and gurmat and taking us towards manmat.

Don't worry Bhaji your help is not needed I would rather rely on Guru Ji.

Doing nam simran and helping humanity is taking us towards manmat? You sound like a missionary.

Aasaa, Kabeer Jee, 9 Panch-Paday, 5 Du-Tukay:

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

You tear off the leaves, O gardener, but in each and every leaf, there is life.

That stone idol, for which you tear off those leaves - that stone idol is lifeless. ||1||

In this, you are mistaken, O gardener.

The True Guru is the Living Lord. ||1||Pause||

Brahma is in the leaves, Vishnu is in the branches, and Shiva is in the flowers.

When you break these three gods, whose service are you performing? ||2||

The sculptor carves the stone and fashions it into an idol, placing his feet upon its chest.

If this stone god was true, it would devour the sculptor for this! ||3||

Rice and beans, candies, cakes and cookies

- the priest enjoys these, while he puts ashes into the mouth of the idol. ||4||

The gardener is mistaken, and the world is mistaken, but I am not mistaken.

Says Kabeer, the Lord preserves me; the Lord, my King, has showered His Blessings upon me. ||5||1||14||

If you take the trouble to read the shabad you will see that Guru Ji is saying that the flowers are being picked for an idol but the idol cannot give you anything back.

What I said was that a flower picked would get mukat when showered over the true living Guru.

You get the difference ?

We don't decide who is mukat. Next you will say it is okay to kill animals and give them as offerings for guru ji because you wanted to give them mukti. We cannot play God bhaji.

You people need to wake up. The British raj wanted to destroy Sikhism by bringing in ideology of Hinduism into our practices. If you can't differentiate between manmat and love for Guru ji, I cannot help you.

refer to this for an appropriate answer.

Luke 7:36-50New International Version (NIV) Jesus Anointed by a Sinful Woman

36 When one of the Pharisees invited Jesus to have dinner with him, he went to the Pharisee’s house and reclined at the table. 37 A woman in that town who lived a sinful life learned that Jesus was eating at the Pharisee’s house, so she came there with an alabaster jar of perfume.38 As she stood behind him at his feet weeping, she began to wet his feet with her tears. Then she wiped them with her hair, kissed them and poured perfume on them.

39 When the Pharisee who had invited him saw this, he said to himself, “If this man were a prophet, he would know who is touching him and what kind of woman she is—that she is a sinner.”

40 Jesus answered him, “Simon, I have something to tell you.”

“Tell me, teacher,” he said.

41 “Two people owed money to a certain moneylender. One owed him five hundred denarii,[a] and the other fifty. 42 Neither of them had the money to pay him back, so he forgave the debts of both. Now which of them will love him more?”

43 Simon replied, “I suppose the one who had the bigger debt forgiven.”

“You have judged correctly,” Jesus said.

44 Then he turned toward the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I came into your house. You did not give me any water for my feet, but she wet my feet with her tears and wiped them with her hair. 45 You did not give me a kiss, but this woman, from the time I entered, has not stopped kissing my feet. 46 You did not put oil on my head, but she has poured perfume on my feet. 47 Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven—as her great love has shown. But whoever has been forgiven little loves little.”

48 Then Jesus said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49 The other guests began to say among themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

50 Jesus said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”

I respect all religions but I prefer to stick to references to Gurbani.

Even the most sinful can be salvaged in an instant, by remembering God. Please see the shabad below. However, how does one remember God? Perhaps that is where we disagree.

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

ਜਾ ਕਉ ਮੁਸਕਲੁ ਅਤਿ ਬਣੈ ਢੋਈ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਦੇਇ ॥ ਲਾਗੂ ਹੋਏ ਦੁਸਮਨਾ ਸਾਕ ਭਿ ਭਜਿ ਖਲੇ ॥

ਸਭੋ ਭਜੈ ਆਸਰਾ ਚੁਕੈ ਸਭੁ ਅਸਰਾਉ ॥ ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਓਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਲਗੈ ਨ ਤਤੀ ਵਾਉ ॥੧॥

ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਨਿਤਾਣਿਆ ਕਾ ਤਾਣੁ ॥ ਆਇ ਨ ਜਾਈ ਥਿਰੁ ਸਦਾ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦੀ ਸਚੁ ਜਾਣੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਹੋਵੈ ਦੁਬਲਾ ਨੰਗ ਭੁਖ ਕੀ ਪੀਰ ॥ ਦਮੜਾ ਪਲੈ ਨਾ ਪਵੈ ਨਾ ਕੋ ਦੇਵੈ ਧੀਰ

ਸੁਆਰਥੁ ਸੁਆਉ ਨ ਕੋ ਕਰੇ ਨਾ ਕਿਛੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਕਾਜੁ ॥ ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਓਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਤਾ ਨਿਹਚਲੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਰਾਜੁ ॥੨॥

ਜਾ ਕਉ ਚਿੰਤਾ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਦੇਹੀ ਵਿਆਪੈ ਰੋਗੁ ॥ ਗ੍ਰਿਸਤਿ ਕੁਟੰਬਿ ਪਲੇਟਿਆ ਕਦੇ ਹਰਖੁ ਕਦੇ ਸੋਗੁ ॥

ਗਉਣੁ ਕਰੇ ਚਹੁ ਕੁੰਟ ਕਾ ਘੜੀ ਨ ਬੈਸਣੁ ਸੋਇ ॥ ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਓਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਤਨੁ ਮਨੁ ਸੀਤਲੁ ਹੋਇ ॥੩॥

ਕਾਮਿ ਕਰੋਧਿ ਮੋਹਿ ਵਸਿ ਕੀਆ ਕਿਰਪਨ ਲੋਭਿ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ ਚਾਰੇ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਉਨਿ ਅਘ ਕੀਏ ਹੋਆ ਅਸੁਰ ਸੰਘਾਰੁ ॥

ਪੋਥੀ ਗੀਤ ਕਵਿਤ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਦੇ ਨ ਕਰਨਿ ਧਰਿਆ ॥ ਚਿਤਿ ਆਵੈ ਓਸੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਤਾ ਨਿਮਖ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਤਰਿਆ ॥੪॥

Who is all that hundreds of gallons of milk used for in Darbar Sahib? it is for the millions who visit every year.

If flowers have life then what better way to end it by being showered over your Guru?

Actually, this is in direct contradiction to what Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says:

ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ੯ ਦੁਤੁਕੇ ੫

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਪਾਤੀ ਤੋਰੈ ਮਾਲਿਨੀ ਪਾਤੀ ਪਾਤੀ ਜੀਉ ॥ ਜਿਸੁ ਪਾਹਨ ਕਉ ਪਾਤੀ ਤੋਰੈ ਸੋ ਪਾਹਨ ਨਿਰਜੀਉ ॥੧॥

ਭੂਲੀ ਮਾਲਨੀ ਹੈ ਏਉ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਜਾਗਤਾ ਹੈ ਦੇਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪਾਤੀ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਡਾਰੀ ਫੂਲ ਸੰਕਰਦੇਉ ॥ ਤੀਨਿ ਦੇਵ ਪ੍ਰਤਖਿ ਤੋਰਹਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਕਿਸ ਕੀ ਸੇਉ ॥੨॥

ਪਾਖਾਨ ਗਢਿ ਕੈ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਕੀਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ ਦੇ ਕੈ ਛਾਤੀ ਪਾਉ ॥ ਜੇ ਏਹ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਸਾਚੀ ਹੈ ਤਉ ਗੜ੍ਹਣਹਾਰੇ ਖਾਉ ॥੩॥

ਭਾਤੁ ਪਹਿਤਿ ਅਰੁ ਲਾਪਸੀ ਕਰਕਰਾ ਕਾਸਾਰੁ ॥ ਭੋਗਨਹਾਰੇ ਭੋਗਿਆ ਇਸੁ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਕੇ ਮੁਖ ਛਾਰੁ ॥੪॥

ਮਾਲਿਨਿ ਭੂਲੀ ਜਗੁ ਭੁਲਾਨਾ ਹਮ ਭੁਲਾਨੇ ਨਾਹਿ ॥ ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਹਮ ਰਾਮ ਰਾਖੇ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਇ ॥੫॥੧॥੧੪॥

Bhaji, you think that Guru Ji does not know about His hungry children?

You think Guru Ji relies on us to feed His hungry children?

Who put His hungry children on this world?

Why were His hungry children put on this world?

This is not to say we do nothing, of course we do but there is nothing greater than your Guru.

You do not buy a ramalla, what point is that? You buy the cloth, and then sew the ramalla with your own hands. Then you wash the ramalla and iron it. If at any point it touches the floor you wash it and iron it again. Then you take it to your Guru and with all the love in your heart present it with humility, you gonna stop doing your adhav and satkaar of Guru Ji because of others? Let them do what they do.

Guru Ji knows about his hungry children. Guru knows all.

Guru Ji relies on all humans to serve society. In Sikhi was do honest labor, share our earnings, and pray to Waheguru.

Guru Ji puts hungry children on this earth. However, their lives are based on their own karams and doings.

Guru Ji puts these hungry children on this earth for salvation. A chance to attach to Guru's feet and break the cycle of life and death. To become one with God.

Do you think it's okay to use hundreds of gallons of milk to Mandars and Sri Darbar Sahib while millions in India go starving daily?

Or how about plucking flowers and throwing them at Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji? Those flowers have life too.

These are practices Sikhs should be getting away from, not being attracted towards.

Do you do this when you are buying a present for your wife?

Do you intend to spend £100 on her present and then just spend £20 and give the other £80 to feed the poor?

Do you spend money on your mother/father/children and then spend a fraction of it and the rest goes to the poor?

If you don't then why not start at home first and then talk about your Guru.

Sangat ji when you intend to spend money for your Guru remember where that maya has come from, never squeeze your pocket, never look at the price, spend on your Guru with eyes closed. Then see what your Guru gives back.

Not sure how your wife is brother, but I can tell you that my wife is more generous to the needy than even I. I am blessed by Waheguru.

Please explain how Guru ji finds it pleasing that his children go hungry while we give fancy rumala's to Guru ji?

The golak of a Gurdwara is the mouth of the poor. Big difference between helping the needy vs presenting fancy rumala sahib to Guru Ji.

Everyone has their sharda and I'm not trying to stop someone from doing it. But open your eyes. Look at what happens at Darbar Sahib every day. The SGPC and bazaar owners are in cahoots....every day someone buys a fancy rumala sahib, takes it to Darbar Sahib where the granthi disrespectfully throws it on Guru Ji and immediately removes it forcibly. They then take those rumala sahibs and sell them back to the bazaar at a discount....and the cycle continues.