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Wrong, sikhs get involved with politics and do raaj. See Guru Sahib 52 hukaams and history. You can take that christian bairaag somewhere else. Then again, lot of girls have these liberal brain vomits but it doesn't matter because they can't/won't do anything anyway. - Keep preaching to the girls walking half naked, better they are some crazy veggie randir singh types than what they are now. Good post and good day sister. ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

No you attack first, have weapons or create distance and fire in this age of firearms. Tying is beadbi and only dine when no other choice. Way you talk sounds like you don't have much of beard at all anyway. ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

True but there is more in the practice. We are ortjoprax not orthodox after all. Actinf on hukaam and bani gives you amar bir rass. Missing any component will cause dilution and confusion. ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

Noooooooooooooooooo lol. Incest bad lol check your feelings, put them into trash can goodbye. lol ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

Want to experience? Get your rifle, sit behind it and in front of light a deeva and toofh. Now meditate, see and feel the fires of savagery, wickedness and devi awaken the light of bibek in you. Sitting and reading is not going to do anything but make you realize how to get to that meditation point. Das just explain to you though, There was Bir Ras before 10th master penned Dasam bani in physical form remember that. Sikhi has AlWAYS been there, we have just been taught if again as thd light of righteousness was faltering before 1469. ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

Lol good fighter? Do you understand why Guru Sahib prescribed guerilla warfare and weapons? Go be a good tied beard fighter, you oiss a sardar he blasts your beard with a .44. What your speed agility gonna do? Street fights are not unpredictable and all that. Don't believe internet stay out of extremely poor neighborhoods especially black ones (statistically speaking) and none of that going to happen. Stay armed and the random racist attacks that happen won't either. ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

lol bhuddism was from central asia to china. 70% of India, since losing statehood where is it now? Stop being delusional bro, won't even go into details of old vs new gora bhuddism. Ram Rahim has more followers in India, than Sikhi + Bhudh combined probably. What does that tell you? ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

No just hinduvta. a jew vs zionist like thing. ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

You're just a kid, stop reading books and go outside. Here's a question for you to ponder. If 80% of the combined army was Punjabi, and 60% of the total Sikh; how would any Sikh country be an economic slave. What would stop it from expanding? Also, there is a command by guru gobind singh to not let anyone of another religion rule over you. If you don't like that, you are free to stop calling yourself a sikh. You are probably not communicated so you can't be excommunicated, but you make all of us look like sniveling, groveling, slave men on a welfare line. Now, if you have any problem with anything I've said take it up with your masters in hell. Thanks, ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

No, only since singh sabha movement. Teja Singh Bhasuria, Gyani Dit Singh, etc. That stuff was also only confined to certain groups. VJKVJF

prem sumarag granth bhai gurdaas ji vaaran guru dasam granth sahib guru sarbloh granth sahib Rattan Singh Bhangu works Kavi Santokh Singh works There are works written by Singhs themselves like Shaheed Bhai Mehtab Singh ji. ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

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I see it too don't like it. Best langar I ever ate, was a place in madya pradesh. We sat outside on dirt, 1 2 spoon aachar, some dal and roti. We sat as equals my siblings with a few kids there. Our clothes were clean, their's dirty how you see on tv. The baba was a baba, all I can say is thinking about it he must have been 35 40 but he had the form of mahakal himself. For those children alone, whether they alive today or not we will bring Khalsa Raaj to m.p. ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

You are a clueless imbecile sir, good day. West London 'Singh' the colorful, pink wearing, pride parade attending nagani dancing in front of a machine gun with a urumi; all because he too scared to take less life than he does everytime he breathes. This type of flock is better for you: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jainism ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

All our gurus ate meat and so did singhs unless explicitly mentioned otherwise like Sant Jarnail Singh and sant orders (which do not have large numbers, irrelevant to their work and influence; not trying to dishonor them) Certainly all purataan singhs did, and almost all do today; stop lying. Not going to argue, Guru Sahib's forst order after amrit sanchar was to go hunt and eat your kills; be free of the halal only tyranny of Aurangzeb (he had ordered only halal, any who ate it were considered muslim. Then if they broke Islamic 'laws' they would be killed. Way around no compulsion in religion bs, and an indirect method of death. Especially as more warriors tended to eat meat, rather than genuine 'hindus').To Op, it's personal choice go research it. Won't say more as you asked for no debate, which usually just means Sikhs telling Vaishnavites the truth about meat in sikhi; and, them replying with lies like the above quoted. ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

Sikhs don't just wear swords, Sikhi follows the basic tenents of manhood as well. The core of that is protection, and laughter in the fqce of death. See when you are older about carry options for firearms. The truth of it is, Sikhs are men. Men amongst men choose Sikhi; if any man understood it all (being a man) he would be dressed as a Sikh, with a so called prayer bead in one hand and shotgun/sword in the other. If you wish to live with honor; become a Sikh. I f you feel too young, to understand this no one will insult you. Even learning about it, and wearinf the turban/beard will benefit you. Just because we have more honor, does not mean we insult that of 'others'. Also, there is no such thing as an orthodox sikh. It is a practice, like the army not a religious order through practice and adherance you develop a certain routine and ethical code. It is like if I have you start two cars, one with sugar and one with gas; you will learn quickly why gas is preferred. Orthodox would be explaining why sugar is 'bad' without any practical, objective way for you to see for youself. ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

http://pastebin.com/i3Bcb6AR The USA has half the murder, three or more times the guns from the 60s and 70s. Furthermore, you're supposed to be a Sikh, a Sardar, a man. We shouldn't need to discuss whether men should defend things. It's what men do, otherwise they are not men. They maybe male boys however; it's obvious all sides in the dispute were dumb for fighting at a nagar kirtan but one side may be right. Obviously no one dastar came off, or it would say murder near gurudawara. So, w.e let them resolve it, the whole jail thing is not cool because the person saying it has probably never been arrested. Stuff happens, it's the risk you take going outside. USA has the majority of its crime committed by young black males. That's a statistical fact, and not ; ( ; ( 'racist'. If you avoid rundown areas and thuggish looking people, it is safer than Europe and the people nicer. Any major European city I.e Paris, Rome, or London has organized gangs of pickpockets, human traffickers and scam artists. You have no way to protect yourself there, and the criminals are harder to spot. Unless you're looking for it, or buying drugs you won't really get caught up in anything. I mean, even Toronto's 150k public housing population accounts for most of the 80 or 90 murders each year. Even though the people are largely black, the best advice would be to avoid public housing. USA is the exact same, NYC or Toronto have murder rates below 5 per 100k overall yet certain blocks pass the hundreds. Why do you need to go see a crackhouse or police raid? -- You wouldn't rather carry a rifle and a few pistols/revolvers just to be safe? ( keep others safe) Does the old saying, 'A Sikh doesn't leave the house without 40 kilos of armor' need to be any clearer? - Also the 3-6 inch siri sahib is a British imposition. Look up what the 5 shastaars were, and understand for the Khalsa to rule (which is its order) it must be able to destroy whatever injustice stands in its way; for the just have never blocked the way of the khalsa, it is justice born on this earth. Done posting for awhile, if I don't get banned will reply to w.e. Peace. ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

Does Krishna worship the most supreme god, also worshipped by the gurus? Yes. Does krishna wish to take human form and receive amrit from the hands of Guru Gobind Singh? Yes. Does the average Singh have more virtue than the lifeless idol you created? Yes. Should you become a Singh? Only if you're up to it. Das is not judgemental but if the RSS and not the land puts food on your table, I would say no. edit - The other thing 'hindus' don't mention is that they all worship warriors. Krishna was Chandravanshi Ram suryavanshi. Sikhs are warriors, just because they worship our fathers/brothers doesn't mean we should! Lol. I've only gotten Christians at my door, well my parents.. I see the hari krishna people (who actually killed their own swami and the whites took control) I just give a look like, stay quiet if you want to leave with your life. Never been bothered. :D Other thing is, bramins created hinduism along with British (in modern sense) these people from older yugs were all Sikhs. Krishna, Arjun, Ram all followed ksythria dharam which is what we follow. Obviously it became corrupted over time but the House of Nanak came and brought the true light back. The only reason those money grubbing types can't handle it, is because the world is not an illusion to them and they are trying to buy out death/being cowardly. ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

If you die with honor, you do not have to die again. --- "Let he who dies die such a deatg, that he never has to die again. The world is terrified of death; everyone longs to live. By Guru's Grace, one who dies while yet alive, understands the Lord's Will. O Nanak, one who dies such a dea, lives forever. ||2||" The other thing about the 14 realms is that the khalsa rules them. ਸਿਧੋ ਮੁਖ ਕਰ ਮਰੈ ਜੁ ਸੂਰਾ I ਸਵਾ ਲਾਖ ਮੈਂ ਲੇਉਗ ਪੂਰਾ I The Sanmukh Sikh who fights head on, gains the ability to fight 125,000. ਸਰਬ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਸੁਨੀਅਹਿ । ਆਯੁਧ ਧਰਿਬੇ ਉਤੱਮ ਗੁਨੀਅਹਿ । The Guru then said to his Sikhs, All of the Khalsa should listen [to this directive], carrying weapons is the highest action. - Sikhism is not a religion, in the traditional sense. It is concerned about actions not beliefs. Seeking to build a good character rather than teaching how to act. A good chaeacter will always act correctly, however having good character is not an act. Sikhs are more concerned about living with honor and respect, and taking just actions rather than fire in hell or water in heaven. Just my .2c ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

I would also say that meditation is different for everyone. Reading the feats of your warrior ancestors, is a form of meditation as in like dasam bani and stuff like that. I used to read the tisarpanth site for hours straight and end up falling asleep, and waking up read again. I would definitely look at dasam bani, as sadly I can only find kirtan from adi guru granth sahib. Meditation literally means focused mind, there are many ways to do this but best not discussed here. I don't mean drugs either, often you need to really meditate once and that meditation carries over for a long period of time even months in the same trance. Having purpose and a goal, is the best meditation. What do you guys think of sukh nidaan for meditation? ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

Caste is a british term for two separate things. There is varna a man made or bramin made system and Jaat. Two different things, in actuality if a bhagat bani is part of guru word then he is being given place ofbrahmgyani or bramin. Sikhi abolished giving spirtual position by birth, and only recognizes actions. Jaat is a totallty different thing and much of the reform movement was initiated by the minorities of Sikhi. Overall it is a clan system and was recognized by the gurus as seen above and in Bachittar Natak. I won't say anymore, because most people here 'believe' different. I'll ask a question though, Guru Sahib made all Khalsa Surya Vanshi. Yet, at the same time the vast majority of Sikhs already were by blood. Certain things resonate amongst certain people and cultures. If you are already a Sikh, it's not really relevant to you. If you were born into a Sikh family, and 'left' it in a way you left your man-hood. That's all I have to say, ਖਾਲਿਸਤਾਨ ਜ਼ਿੰਦਾਬਾਦ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ | ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ | |

Interesting thing about Bhangra, most of its origins seem to be from dhadhi vaar started by 6th master to instill warrior spirit in Sikhs. Keep that perspective in mind..

Someone needs to come to explain why it's retarded to trust people and system who keeps stabbing you. Problem is, Sikhs wear so much armor it'll take you guys awhile before you realize it hurts! O well, I'll be waiting here with rifle tell me when it time to fight! Third Punjab Hind War. 1857,1984,201x. :D ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹਿ||

Das has said, Sikh youth will wake up to true face of Hindus as their numbers increase. They are the largest and most vile criminal cult, on the planet.

I think 1857 ultimately caused the divide, in the mind of the common man. He was never told of the wars few years before where the foreigners and hindus and muslims tried to conquer the Sikhs. Only that they were defeated by the Sikhs in 1857. You can slowly see after that, with many hinduvta advocates being clean shaven that the Dastaar Identity faded. -- It may also be due to a decline in militarism many pathans in Toronto who are older, wear a turban too.