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  1. Dalbir Singh Veerji, been reading some really great posts by yourself recently but on this I gotta slightly disagree. SGPC and the Sikh Panth run more free hospitals than any other faith organisation in India. Pingalwara and Kagidhar Trust are doing great efforts on the free medical assistance front too. SGPC's mistake is that they waste money on fireworks at Diwali when it should go to the poor, wasting money on buildings+statues while Sikh children can't get education or healthcare etc. And oddly, wherever Christians + Muslims are pimping out their Abrahamic lies, SGPC free medical assistance always vanishes! The very focus of each and every Gurdwara has got to be practical samaj seva and charitably uplifting society around us with inspiration from Gurbani. If we step up seva to the poor, regardless of if they accept Sikhi or not, Sikhi will still be victorious.
  2. As usual SikhKosh Veerji you are totally 100% correct. If economic migrants are needed for the agricultural sector then the least we have to do is provide information to them about Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj and Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji who were both from Bihar too as well as Gutka Sahibs in their own dialects. That evil Jatt Christian Zamindar Harry Deol forcibly converted all the poor Sikhs in his village via economic blackmail and SGPC heavweights stood back and let him get away with it as gay marriages and Triya Charitar were more pressing concerns to them. After all if they were happy Muhammad Izhar Alam converting thousands of poor Sikh farmers to Islam, then that rich Christian farmer Deol had rights to convert poor Sikhs too! You said it Veerji! If people eat meat or don't, if people have one tribe or another, if they believe in miracles or don't, if they respect AKJ or DDT or Nirmalas or Missionaries or Nihangs, are sehajdhari, kesdhari or Amritdhari ... the bottom line is all Sikhs of all backgrounds get killed in Genocide aimed at Sikhs as we saw in Pakistan 1947 and the ten or so years from 1984. Totally Veerji and Diaspora money is the key where we cannot be physically be present back home for extended periods.
  3. Thanks Sat Veerji ... all of us can contribute even if we don't have any money. Time is all we need to donate if we are low on finances. Of course we need to be strong in our own individual lives as well to contribute more effectively to the Modern Day Dharam Yudh against drugs, alcohol, biraderi, abortion and illiteracy within our Qaum. But if an Amritdhari brother such as yourself even acts as a mentor to young sehajdhari youth, then having been there yourself, you can make a massive difference in young lives. You and chatanga both are two Amritdhari Gursikhs that the rest of us Sangat on the forum admire and respect, so united we stand and divided we fall as SikhKosh Veerji rightly pointed out.
  4. Sat Veerji and Chatanga Veerji can u add your support to the fund raising idea that we SikhSangat members can potentially raise $1million dollars plus via in order to fund the PURE Punjab Underprivileged Rural Empowerment Program to get an education for poor innocent Sikh children. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/72224-sikh-body-blames-former-dgp-of-conversion/page-5 http://focuspunjab.org/pure.html
  5. Jonny Veerji i think the Sodhak committee link u posted clearly exposes Khem Bedi's pro-Hindu and anti-Sikh agenda. I was under the impression that CharitroPakhyan was comprised of Sri Benti Chaupai (as one spiritually distinct part) along with Triya Charitar (as the other larger component on women's character via adult-nature stories). Given Khem Bedi's blatantly anti-Sikh credentials and his de facto position as editor-in-chief of the Sodhak Committee (that he assembled) is there any doubt that he deliberately positioned Sri Benti Chaupai Sahib along with Triya Charitar? Is it not patently obvious what Khem Bedi and an alliance of Panthic dushts (Arya Samaj + British Empire) stood to gain by Khem Bedi deliberately juxtaposing the two on their behalf? Especially bearing in mind the following and very damning evidence: Khem Bedi that was Amitabh's ancestor was notoriously very anti-Sikh. Khem Bedi hated Giani Ditt Singh + the (Lahore) Singh Sabha with a passion as they were revitalising the Sikh Panth. Khem Bedi had his own competing Sanatan Sabha which claimed Sikhs were Hindu's. Khem Bedi was paid large sums by the British to undermine the Gurdwara Sudhar Lehar and the true Singh Sabha movement. The Arya Samaj and British paid him handsomely to strenghten anti-Gurmat practices in the Gurdwaras led by the Hindu Mahants. Wherever he went he used to openly preach that Sikhs were Hindus. He used verses from Bachittar Natak to force ordinary Sikhs (that only believed in accepting Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj) to think that the Gurus were descendents of Hindu King Ram Chandra's children as Bedi's + Sodhi's. He claimed that the Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the fifth veda of the Hindus + that Sikhs should revere the Vedas of the Hindu's as, according to him, our Guru Sahiban did so in their previous lives, as claimed in the same text. He was widely disliked by the Sikh Panth, but on the back of the finances from the British and his wealthy Arya Samaj friends, he set up a Sodhak Committee in 1897 of his hand picked people, to consolidate 32 wildly different versions of the Bachittar Natak which had been introduced into Punjab from Bengal via Hindu Mahants to whom the British supplied drugs like opium and prostitutes between 1875 and 1900. It was Khem Bedi who personally decided that Benti Chaupai was best positioned next to Triya Charitar on the advice of Arya Samaj friends. Khem Bedi's two sons Kartar and Gurbaksh also merit mention as they were staunch opponents of Bhai Kartar Singh Jhabbar, Jathedar Tehal Singh and Bhai Lachman Singh who sought to liberate Sri Nankana Sahib from Hindu Mahants who were introducing prostitutes and other anti-Gurmat practices into our Gurdwara's just like how the Muslim Massa Ranghar had done in earlier times. Kartar Bedi was a staunch supporter of the Hindu Mahant Narain Das who murdered 130 Sikhs at Sri Nankana Sahib in 1921.
  6. Lucky Veerji and Sat Veerji this Khem Bedi that was Amitabh's ancestor was notoriously very anti-Sikh. Khem Bedi hated Giani Ditt Singh + the (Lahore) Singh Sabha with a passion as they were revitalising the Sikh Panth. Khem Bedi had his own competing Sanatan Sabha which claimed Sikhs were Hindu's. Khem Bedi was paid large sums by the British to undermine the Gurdwara Sudhar Lehar and the true Singh Sabha movement. The Arya Samaj and British paid him handsomely to strenghten anti-Gurmat practices in the Gurdwaras led by the Hindu Mahants. Wherever he went he used to openly preach that Sikhs were Hindus. He used verses from Bachittar Natak to force ordinary Sikhs (that only believed in accepting Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj) to think that the Gurus were descendents of Hindu King Ram Chandra's children as Bedi's + Sodhi's. He claimed that the Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the fifth veda of the Hindus + that Sikhs should revere the Vedas of the Hindu's as, according to him, our Guru Sahiban did so in their previous lives, as claimed in the same text. He was widely disliked by the Sikh Panth, but on the back of the finances from the British and his wealthy Arya Samaj friends, he set up a Sodhak Committee in 1897 of his hand picked people, to consolidate 32 wildly different versions of the Bachittar Natak which had been introduced into Punjab from Bengal via Hindu Mahants to whom the British supplied drugs like opium and prostitutes between 1875 and 1900. It was Khem Bedi who personally decided that Benti Chaupai was best positioned next to Triya Charitar on the advice of Arya Samaj friends. Khem Bedi's two sons Kartar and Gurbaksh also merit mention as they were staunch opponents of Bhai Kartar Singh Jhabbar, Jathedar Tehal Singh and Bhai Lachman Singh who sought to liberate Sri Nankana Sahib from Hindu Mahants who were introducing prostitutes and other anti-Gurmat practices into our Gurdwara's just like how the Muslim Massa Ranghar had done in earlier times. Kartar Bedi was a staunch supporter of the Hindu Mahant Narain Das who murdered 130 Sikhs at Sri Nankana Sahib in 1921. Gurbaksh Bedi was famously anti-Sikh + used to go on Hindu stages to declare that Sikhs are Hindus. Compared to these individuals Amitabh seems more "Sikh" for at least trying to clear his name at Sri Akal Takht Sahib.
  7. SikhKosh Veerji as usual you're 100% correct. But you know what, there were no Muslims forcibly converted to Sikhi. My father's village was controlled by these so-called high caste Muslim farmers and when they voted for Punjab to be part of Pakistan they automatically assumed they would rule over us Sikhs even in Doaba, Malwa and Majha districts. Obviously the Punjabi Muslims miscalculated in eastern Punjab as Sikhs are not scared of nobody one on one. But amidst everything that went down not a single Muslim Jatt, Muslim Rajput or Muslim Arain Kamboh was forcibly converted to Sikhi. Those Muslims in east Punjab also wanted to rule over Sikhs. But despite initiating violence they couldn't manage it wherever our population matched theirs and then they saw the light + left where their Moses (Muhammad Ali Jinnah) wanted to take them. In east Punjab every Muslim found that Rangrehte Guru ke Bete as those were the Sikhs the Muslims despised the most. And we need to educate the Punjabi Christians in Pakistan about this instead of having our people turn to these false Abrahamic lies. Of course there were isolated converts from Islam to Sikhi who freely did so in full conviction because they no longer faced the punishment that Prophet Muhammad decreed for leaving Islam (=killing ex-Muslims that leave Islam) and embraced Sikhi in the knowledge that the Muslim community could no longer kill them for becoming Sikh. Bhai Gurmohinder Singh is a famous Muslim convert to Sikhi from 1947 and has bought several Muslims into Sikhi via his knowledge of Gurbani and spreading awareness amongst Malerkotla Muslims that Bhai Mardana Ji was the first Sikh and that Sikhi is for Sarbat Da Bhalla. You're totally right Dalbir Singh Ji. Malerkotla to this day is majority Muslim. The Muslim Zamindars had a dream that they would rule over Sikhs in the Pakistan they voted for. When they realised that Islamic dream wasn't going to happen in eastern Punjab, where Sikhs were capable of defending ourselves wherever we had reasonable numbers to match the Muslims, they left to live in an Islamic state rather than be polluted by living amongst kaffirs. It's very sad that these poor Sikh farmers suffering from cancer (as a result of GOI-related uranium poisoning) have been forced to convert for operations+treatment by Muhammad Alam of Indira Gandhi's Black Cats, whilst the main Sikh religious leadership are more focussed on gay marriages, Kumbh Mela, Sri Chand + Triya Charitar as the main subjects to ponder. No wonder they won't launch a Dharam Yudh Morcha against drugs, alcohol, biraderi, abortion + illiteracy nowadays.
  8. Lucky Veerji i totally agree with you. This is the point that I believe Dalbir Singh Veerji was also making ... that it is possible to get to know someone (with a view to deciding upon marriage) without any physical relations taking place. To read that u been happily married for 16years is just awesome. You and Proactive Veerji are two of the wise elders of the forum that the rest of us can learn a lot from and I certainly have reading your posts. I totally agree with you Dalbir Singh Ji. This concept that people cannot try to understand the spiritual level of their prospective future spouse is something that surprises me - particularly given that Sikhs are not meant to engage in physical relations before marriage (which we all agree is as per Gurmat). As you rightly say, even a chaperoned date is nevertheless a form of courtship and as we all know even arranged marriages in India involve courtship prior to the marriage nowadays. I genuinely am confused as to how two Sikhs in the Diaspora in the modern age would marry for sensible reasons without getting to know a bit about the other (obviously within the boundary of not engaging in any physical relations prior to marriage).
  9. Agreed Veerji. Santa Sin openly worked for Congress doing his bank account's seva. Damdami Taksal campaigned for Congress in the 1980 general elections and facilitated terrorist Indira Gandhi to become Prime Minister in 1980. Barnala and Badal everyone knows what they are all about. What's clear is that Indira had her dogs infiltrating every one of our groups. So when one group thinks it acts holier than another or thinks it has divine right to guide the Panth without the consensus of Sarbat Khalsa then that's a recipe for disaster. We are all one Qaum ... jathebandi, samparda, political affiliation have no real meaning without the united actions by all of us with different opinions within the diversity of the Panth standing shoulder to shoulder and fighting down drugs, alcohol, illiteracy, abortion and biraderi amongst some of the Genocidal problems facing our Qaum right here right now. To that end, I would request all respected Veers on this thread to add your support on the dgp alam conversion thread to get books out to educate the poor kids back in Punjab via Khalsa Aid's Punjab Underprivileged Rural Empowerment program. http://focuspunjab.org/pure.html
  10. Ok Veerji but I don't think in 2013 we can expect everyone outside of India to get an arranged marriage. And there is a disturbing correlation between arranged marriage and biraderi. For example some cultures marry their cousins purely to keep their so-called caste's "purity". Even via the arranged marriaged route in India i think it is rare to arrive at marriage without courtship nowadays (non-sexual).
  11. ^Mehtab Veerji then how did u get married? I ask that respectfully as your younger Veer. How long is the time limit of being able to get to know someone on a purely conversational level prior to marriage? In Diya's case I believe that the fault was the guy's but Dalbir Singh Ji is taking about without any physical intimacy taking place.
  12. Veerji i distinctly remember Ravinder Singh Ji (the Gursikh in the youtube videos) expressly saying that Focus Punjab literally was solely for Punjab (due to public demand). However, as I agree with yourself and proactive Veerji that we as forum Sangat would like this to be for children's education only then you can if you wish contact the charity directly for confirmation. Their number is UK 0044(1753)567457 or info@khalsaaid.org Instead of donating them to direct, which is still great, the idea on this thread was if we can set up a "total raised" counter on this thread or the site generally so that we can know how much we the forum Sangat collectively raised but whatever achieves the target is all good. I'm told that once the ADMIN has finished organising the Dasam Granth Conference hopefully this initiative will get priority.
  13. Shamshere Ji i was formerly a sehajdhari too + what u will find after keeping kes is that your confidence will increase as well. So don't have any fears about racism, discrimination or violence from people who you will be more mentally stronger than. Obviously always carry shastar + always the maintain the peak physical (and mental) strength you can. VJKK VJKF
  14. Veerji the Focus Punjab "PURE" program "Punjab Underprivileged Rural Empowerment" Project is 100% ringfenced to help the poor children back in Punjab and does not go to a central pool such as the humanitarian efforts Khalsa Aid have participated in outside of Punjab. Theoretically, if all us of Sangat on this forum do the best we can ... we could make a million dollar plus contribution. If we want Sarbath Da Bhalla, we need to be in a strong position ourselves, in order to have the committed male+female Gursikh manpower in order to bring about that global change for a peaceful world of justice and equality that we do Ardas for. http://focuspunjab.org/pure.html
  15. Veerji the straightforward answer, speaking for myself, is NO. But in the field of politics it is naive if one interprets a ceasefire to avert the Genocide of Sikhs as being anti-Sikh in any way.
  16. Nimani Ji daas will do Ardas for your Mother and whole family. The other thing the rest of us Sikhs can do in addition to prayers, given that cancer is so prevalent in rural Punjab, but also exists throughout the world is try to raise as much money as we can for cancer charities to fight it and help all sufferers.
  17. It seems that the idea of sending money to pay for books to educate poor Sikh children has lost some momentum so please can you add your name below on the thread to request that Admin (sikhsangat@live.com) set this up with Khalsa Aid's Focus Punjab Rural Empowerment project. http://www.focuspunjab.org/pure.html
  18. Pyare Veer Onlyfive Ji Gurmat does not order to disregard the ardas (oath as you say) Longowal did before Maharaj. Oath was used in the case of the analogy Veerji. Nowhere does Gurmat say that in politics once a course of action is decided to simply continue blindly ahead, if so doing will cause greater damage to the Sikh Panth and innocents. You have not read Zafarnamna. As above Veerji, Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj were the embodiment of truth and dedicating their life towards justice, so quite clearly Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj never went back on their word. However, if in the field of politics, adjustments cannot made according to changing circumstances in order to save the lives of innocent members of the Sikh Panth, then that means that pride and ego have become more important than dedication to Gurmat and the Sikh Panth's long term interests. Bhai Mani Singh could have saved many Sikhs by just saying once he is a Muslim, mothers could have saved their small childs lives if they said in one split second that they were Muslims. But listening to Satguru's teachings they never backed down and told them straight that they are sticking to their oath of giving their head to Satguru as Sikhs. I 100% agree but this is an irrelavant example as in the quest for implementation for the Anandpur Sahib Resolution that Sant Longowal led the campaign for prior to Sant Ji, nowhere was there a challenge to Sikh Panth’s existence on the scale the Islamic Empire inflicted. More than half of the Panth were not killed by Congress and Congress did not force people to convert to Hinduism or die, so using the example of Bhai Mani Singh Ji is not relavant in this example. Ironically, if anyone understood the supreme sacrifice of Bhai Mani Singh’s shaheedi it was Longowal Ji who did so much in Bhai Mani Singh Ji’s ancestral village of Longowal. The Akalis are the true congress agents who were in bed with congress. Simply not true in 1980 Veerji. The Akali’s of 1980 fought tooth and nail to prevent Indira Gandhi’s return to power at Delhi in the 1980 general elections. Damdami Taksal openly assisted and supported Indira Gandhi in the 1980 general elections. So it’s rich for historical revisionists who see 1977-1997 as a victory for the Panth to then blame the Akali’s of 1980 for being in bed with Congress when the evidence is 100% conclusively to the contrary. Akalis invited congress to their homes, gave them hospitality, and Akalis openly went to congress homes. If Jagdeep Singh of the NDP visits Stephen Harper’s residence in order to progress the interests of the Sikh Panth it doesn’t mean he’s “in bed with him”. Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa was in the way of the Akalis Agreed. This was the Zail Sin agenda in 1980 when Indira Gandhi swept to power in the election with Damdami Taksal support. and so he was in the way of congress. Agreed. As Sant Ji realised after 1980 that the advice players in Damdami Taksal had given him in 1980 was wrong and Longowal Sahib was right, Sant Ji realised that Congress were the biggest enemy of the Panth and not the Akali Dal. Hence why Sant Ji and Longowal Sahib operated in tandem to unitedly advance the interests of the Sikh Panth when Damdami Taksal realised that Indira Gandhi and Zail Sin had used them and duped them in 1980 purely to oppose the Akali demand for Anandpur Sahib resolution. The Akalis and congress had one common enemy. You make no reference to the year here, which is a crucial omission. In 1980 Damdami Taksal and Congress had one common enemy = The Akali’s. In 1982 Sant Ji and Longowal Sahib had a common opponent = Indira Gandhi. After the shaheedian of Sant Ji and Longowal Sahib and Barnala’s assumption of Akali leadership, only then can you say that the motivation of the Akali’s seems to have resolved solely around power rather than actively pushing the true interests of the Sikh Panth forward. Sant ji goes and both parties win, which is openly seen today. See above. When Sant Ji and Longowal Sahib are both eliminated by Congress, then yes we eventually see two parties that have no real agenda in pushing the equitable development of Punjab forward but are more interested in lining their own pockets in many cases. Did the Akalis know Indira was going to slaughter those many Sikhs...........I don't think so, Veerji I don’t think anyone could imagine the true evil terrorist extent of what Congress would do to the Sikhs in 1984. However, once so many thousands of pilgrims and sovereign Sikhs were brutally killed in 1984 for being present at Harmandir Sahib on Guru Arjan Dev Ji Maharaj ka Shaheedi Diwas and the subsequent November 1984 Genocide of Sikhs the writing was absolutely clear on the wall. Congress intended on the wholesale Genocide of Sikhs. That is why Longowal Sahib saw fit to sign a ceasefire (accord). I don’t agree with that accord myself but I fully respect the reasons why he signed it in those dark circumstances. I truly believe that he signed to try and avert the cold-blooded Genocide of over 150,000 innocent Sikh naujawaans in the subsequent 10years. but Akalis at the end viewed it as collateral damage for getting what they wanted. In the case of Badal and Barnala, I’m inclined to agree with you. Sant Longowal’s record of dedication to the Panth is there for all to see in multiple villages across Malwa. He never took any bribes, a fact accepted by opponents even today. He actively served the interests of the Panth at ground level and at Damdama Sahib in the best way he knew how and cannot be compared to the likes of Badal and Barnala who openly sold out the Panth's interests for their own personal gain. Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj lost his whole family in battling for justice and never once did he say I will break my oath to save lives. Gurmat is to stand up for truth and follow Hukam. If today no one stands up for justice, then tomorrow their will be four folds more of oppression. Satguru along with SIkhs like Bhai Mani Singh knew that oppressors never stop until either you are dead or made a slave. And Satguru says death is more sweet that being a slave. I totally agree. There is no disagreement on that. However, it’s plain for anyone who truly wishes to see that the accord signed by Longowal with Rajiv (if interpreted as a ceasefire) would have saved the Genocide of a whole generation of young Sikh men on the huge scale Congress had planned and implemented with their foot soldiers. Because of the Akalis today the Sikhs are slaves. I disagree that Longowal Sahib campaigning for the Anandpur Sahib Resolution made us slaves. Had Damdami Taksal not supported Indira Gandhi in the 1980 general elections, Sikhs could have avoided slavery. Whether Sant ji took up the sword or not Congress would have slaughtered Sikhs in whatever way they saw best. Sant ji kept it peaceful, but congress continued to slaughter Sikhs without a care. After the 13 Sikhs were killed Sant ji still kept it peaceful and said lets take this to the pen by going through the court system. It was only after the boiling point did Sant ji tell the Sikhs to pick up the swords. There’s no argument on the above Veerji. Sant Ji was not a terrorist. Indira Gandhi and Congress and her Alam Sena Black Cats were the only the terrorists between 1977-1997. But I respectfully request you to look over history of that period and see whether you think 1977-1997 was a wholescale defeat of the Sikh Panth and a total victory for the GOI terrorists in everything they wanted to achieve against Sikhs. Look at it this way Veerji. In 1947, the Pakistani Genocide of Sikhs resulted in the death of 25% of the Sikhs there. 30 years later our Qaum’s attention span had forgotten the Genocide of the equivalent of 7million Sikhs around today (in 1947 by Muslims) but had become more focused with Gurbachana’s murder of 13 Amritdhari Gursikhs on behalf of Indira Gandhi ... yet only two years later in 1980 Damdami Taksal supported the very same party that funded the murder of our brave AKJ shaheeds for reasons best known to them. Let’s say that today is almost 30years after 1984. To all intents and purposes, Sikhs forgot about the Genocide of 25% of the Sikh Panth in Pakistan in 1947 at the hands of Punjabi Muslims. So if tomorrow, Sikhs forgot all about 1984 and started to see the Congress-supported Radha Swami’s as the number one threat to our Panth when drugs, alcohol, illiteracy, biraderi and abortion clinics abound, would you have any respect for an organisation that opposes the Radha Swami’s so that the GOI can present Sikhs as militant to the wider Hindutva support base but encourages Sikhs to vote Congress in the 2014 General Elections? A long way of saying it but if Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale or Sant Baba Baljit Singh Daduwal ever advised the Panth to vote Congress in the 2014 general elections, their organisations would never retain any respect 30 years into the future. It surprises me Dhumma and his cohorts have any support base today given the actions of Damdami Taksal in supporting Indira Gandhi in the 1980 general elections.
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